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Title: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Laura on March 24, 2013, 05:14:32 PM
Session Date: March 23rd 2013

Laura, Ark, Belibaste, Perceval, Andromeda, PoB, Ailen, Data, Kniall, Mr. Scott

Q: (L) Today is March 23, 2013. Stormy day!

A: Just you wait! Real storms a'comin!

Q: (L) Do you mean here specifically?

A: And elsewhere.

Q: (L) That sounds ominous. (S) As in "sheets of rain"?

A: Yes

Q: (L) Well I noticed that there were so-called "floods of the millennium" in various places in Europe back in, what was it? 1997? When Hale-Bopp was flying around the sky. And now we have a couple of comets. We had Hale-Bopp and Hayakatuke at the same time, didn't we? There was something else, either before or after, or right along at that same time. Now we have a couple more comets. Is there any relationship between these comets and our weather?

A: And so much more!

Q: (L) You mean so much more influences our weather than just comets?

A: Yes

Q: (L) So Earth really isn't a closed system where it would be possible for... Well, I don't want to say that. It's just not a closed system and there are all kinds of things on Earth that are influenced by the solar system?

A: And more.

Q: (L) From outside the solar system... From the universe?

A: Yes. But scientists have been blinded by being led by the blind!

Q: (L) Hmm. So you say, "Scientists have been blinded by being led by the blind." Do you mean that...

A: When science is used for killing they have lost their honor and their way. Remember the parable of the talents. The man who was afraid and hid and hoarded? Then when the master came he was cast into darkness with the weepers and wailers. Thus shall it be yet again.

Q: (L) Well, we notice that the weather has really gone freaking crazy all over the planet. There are gigantic sink holes opening up in place after place. There are more and more creatures being washed up from the oceans on beaches by the thousands - or even millions, dead. (Andromeda) Storms, tornadoes. (L) Places were tornadoes don't usually happen. Migrations. What kind of migrations? (Kniall) Dolphins. (L) Oh, that incredible mass migration of dolphins. And wasn't there one of sharks, too? (Andromeda) That was last year, but yeah. (L) Creatures being found in strange places...

A: All stimulated by the approaching wave.

Q: (L) Stimulated by the approaching wave? They sense something, is that what you're saying?

A: No, the wave and its electrical and magnetic components affect the entire solar system thus, the Earth and certain geological events; this then can lead to mass deaths.

Q: (L) We forgot to ask who's with us tonight!

A: Pronoia.

Q: (L) And where do you transmit from?

A: Cassiopaea.

Q: (L) Which reminds me... I was reading in this book about Greek religion by Walter Burkert that the term "paean" was used to describe to the type of songs that were sung in the worship of the god Apollo in the most ancient times. And Apollo was supposedly the Hyperborean god, and if my suppositions are correct, was also the god that was worshipped at Stonehenge. Any connection there?

A: Indeed.

Q: (L) Are you gonna say anything else?

A: Amazing things get discovered when you do your "homework".

Q: (L) Well, thanks a lot! (Ailen) That's a nice way of saying, "No dice!" (L) Okay, as you know, we had a wonderful little exploding comet fragment out there in Russia that did some serious damage and injured lots of people. I'm not glad that it injured lots of people, but I just think it was pretty interesting that this happened like within three days of our new book "Comets and The Horns of Moses" being released in hardcopy. So, I guess the first question is: Anything to tell us about the exploding comet fragment, or whatever they wanna call it? It could have an asteroid, or it could have a comet fragment, or whatever?

A: Denatured comet but who's counting?

Q: (L) Okay. Is that all you're gonna say?

A: Just wait for the next one! That one will be a doozie! And it has "friends!"

Q: (L) Can you give us a time estimate on that? [laughter] (Belibaste) And location? (L) Location, maybe? (Andromeda) Roughly? Ballpark figures? (Belibaste) Plus size?

A: We would have liked to arrange things so that it could have hit [birds start chirping a lot in the background] on the very day of the book release, however things just don't work that way in the STO reality. Thus, the same applies to predictions of future impacts.

Q: (L) That was a nice way of saying, "No dice!" So there is more out there that's coming, but you can't tell us exactly when, and the next one's gonna be a doozie; so we know that much. Are you saying you know that much?

A: Yes. Please put all former clues together for ballpark figure, keeping in mind that the universe is open thus there will always be variables.

Q: (L) Okay. (Andromeda) Past comet streams? (L) So in other words, if we factor in what we know from the science of, say, Victor Clube and Bill Napier, plus observations we make, plus historical records, etc. and signs, we can figure out that something is probably fairly imminent. That would be my best guess. My thought is that if we don't get a plague from this one that exploded over Russia, we will from the next one. That's my best guess.

A: Good guess!

Q: (L) Okay. What else? (Ailen) I can't hear a thing with the birds! (L) Hush up back there! (Mr. Scott) They were fine for awhile, and they all woke up. They're repeating letters and answers to each other. (L) Okay, what's our next topic? (PoB) One more question. Was there any connection between the Russian meteorite and the asteroid DA14?

A: Indeed. By the way, have you noticed how many "new" bodies are being discovered in the solar system?!?

Q: (L) I thought I heard something the other day about how Pluto now has more satellites. Acquiring them from... (PoB) Do they mean that they were parts of the same body?

A: No.

Q: (PoB) So it's a swarm. (L) They were friends! Next? (Belibaste) You know there was this place in Central Europe... A guy at his house, he got meteorites that fell on his house like five or six times. Is the cause a local anomaly in the electric charge of the Earth in this specific location?

A: Yes

Q: (Belibaste) Okay. Is it that locally, the place, is it more positive, or more negative than the asteroid or meteorite?

A: Neg

Q: (Belibaste) More negative. Okay. Can one individual, or several individuals, attract in a similar manner as this place, some cometary bodies?

A: Yes

Q: (Belibaste) Is it because their electric charge collectively or individually is modified?

A: Not only electric charge. In the realm from which some of these things are manifested or, better, "directed", information is king.

Q: (Belibaste) So if a group of individuals acquires, stores, information that is orthogonal to truth, i.e. lies, will this fact of acquiring information that is orthogonal to truth increase the attraction to meteorites or cometary bodies?

A: Yes

Q: (Belibaste) How does it work?

A: Other realm just mentioned... Gravity waves.

Q: (L) Are you saying that gravity waves are a property of a different realm?

A: Mostly.

Q: (Ark) Why I am spending so much time on quantum theory instead of gravity waves?

A: Get your book finished to open the new door!

Q: (Ark) A new door for me?

A: Yes

Q: (L) Next? (Andromeda) Do we want to ask about the boom that we heard? (L) On January 25th, I was in the kitchen when it happened. (Bubbles) I was in my room. (Ailen) I was in the salon. (PoB) I was in the office. (Andromeda) I was in my room because I thought somebody was in the attic. (L) When I heard it in the kitchen, I thought that somebody was in the mezzanine rooms above me. Everybody thought it was above them from wherever they were. (Ark) No, I was thinking it was somewhere downstairs, and I was in our office upstairs. (L) You thought it was below you? (Ailen) And Perceval and Kniall were in town, and they heard it, too. (PoB) And then I went outside, and it was heard from the back. (L) And PoB said she also heard some kind of humming sound, like a plane or something coming and going, fading in and out? (PoB) Mm-hmm. (L) So after the boom, she went outside and heard his humming sound fading in and out. So, was this one of our friendly neighborhood little comet fragment boomers in the upper atmosphere?

A: Yes! Are you surprised?

Q: (L) No! We were just checking. (Belibaste) Question about the car crash that happened next to our house. First, what was the cause of the accident?

A: Psychic barrier fluctuation.

Q: (L) Within the person who had the accident?

A: No.

Q: (L) In the area where the accident was, or along that stretch of road?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) So there's a psychic barrier of some sort there. (PoB) Does it have anything to do with the ghost? (L) Is that related to the ghost I saw? (Bubbles) The bicycle ghost? {Yes}

A: Partly, he uses it so to say.

Q: (Ailen) What kind of psychic barrier is it, and what caused the fluctuation. (Perceval) Well, what is a psychic barrier?

A: Clash point between densities due in part to your presence here.

Q: (L) Clash point between densities due in part to your presence here... (Belibaste) Is it like when it was said in a previous session, like in New Mexico there were partial transitions between 3rd and 4th densities...

A: Close. You see, there are those who would seek to block or harm you, and those who stand guard in an energetic sense which is close to the limit of permitted assistance at this point, though that may change along with conditions.

Q: (L) So in other words, this poor guy just got caught in the crossfire?

A: More or less, though his own frequency played a part.

Q: (Belibaste) Because his frequency was closer to the one who could potentially harm us. (Bubbles) He was a minion of Zod, more or less!

A: Yes.

Q: (Ailen) What caused this fluctuation in the psychic barrier?

A: Intensification of general planetary flux.

Q: (L) A surge in the electric cord!  Next? (Andromeda) Do we want to ask anything about the new pope? (L) Nah. (Andromeda) {Consults list.}  The last one then is do we want to ask about the confused sky the other day? (L) Oh yeah, we were driving home from the fabric store the other day, and as we were coming along, we saw every single kind of cloud in the sky. There were roll clouds to the southwest, there were high cirrus clouds, there were buttermilk-looking clouds, mare's tails, and then there was a really peculiar circular cloud that looked like a big oval smoke ring in the sky. (Andromeda) And it was in an area where it was raining and sunny at the same time. (L) It was pouring rain, the sun was shining, it was just the most bizarre thing. And every kind of cloud that is listed in cloud lists was in the sky all at the same time. It was bizarre. Any comment on our circular cloud and the other...?

A: Smoke ring, eh?

Q: (Andromeda) That's what I said! It looks like something had happened there in that area, because besides that smoke ring cloud, there was another cloud that almost had like a hole in it. This one was one that was more like a ring, and then by it was one that had the circular thing.

A: Punched from upper atmosphere air burst.

Q: (Perceval) Is that what most of those hole-punch clouds are?

A: Yes.

Q: (Perceval) Those have been around for like decades. (Kniall) It's literally a smoke ring. (L) But coming from the other direction. (Perceval) And they come up with all sorts of fancy explanations for how they form that have nothing to do with the actual cause. (L) Anybody got anything else that's really pressing? (Bubbles) Do we want to ask any questions about iron? (Ailen) Hemochromatosis? (L) Well, I thought we were gonna wait for the tests and stuff, but I guess we should ask. Bubble's iron is pretty high, and there's the possibility she could be afflicted with hemochromatosis, which is what my grandfather had. (Bubbles) You wanted to ask what the significance is of having high iron?

A: Survival under specific circumstances.

Q: (Perceval) So it could be a hereditary thing that was provoked in the past when there was plague.

A: It can also arise spontaneously.

Q: (L) So it's not always genetic? (Ailen) What about these specific circumstances? (Bubbles) Is it like a defense mechanism?

A: Yes.

Q: (Bubbles) A defense against what?

A: Breaching the barriers. Your psyche feels in need of greater defense.

Q: (L) Okay, anything else? (Ailen) Do we want to ask about those cops that came, or not? (L) What's there to ask? It's so petty. (Perceval) It's so transparent as well. You called B____ out when she got the letter, so she was like, "I'm gonna call her out to the gate!" [laughter] (Belibaste) What was the name of our ghost? Was it Michael?

A: It is mostly a replay. So no need of a name.

Q: (Andromeda) So it's not really like a ghost or spirit. It's a replay like a recording. (L) Funny that it happened along that drive, where the water flows. (Perceval) Lethbridge.

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Oh, did we ever ask about Scipio? (Belibaste) Yes, we did. (Ailen) Yes, and they said you have to look back through the transcripts. (Belibaste) You are the only one with the key. (L) Alright, I better get back to work then! If nobody else has anything else, I think we'll just ask if there are any words of wisdom or encouragement for people?

A: Those who wish to participate in the future should "be prepared" like the wise virgins.

Q: (L) Alright then. So, I guess we say good night because I am really, really tired.

A: See/C you soon!

Q: (Andromeda) Who are the wise virgins? What are they talking about. (L) Story in the bible. Wise and foolish virgins. It's funny that they make these biblical references. I'm coming more and more to the conviction that most of what's in the bible was borrowed by some desert tribes that got civilized and called themselves Jews, borrowed from other cultures. So, it's funny that some people, if they've decided that the whole Yahweh/Jesus thing is not their cup of tea, they throw the whole thing out. They throw the baby out with the bath water. When in fact, if they could get past the idea that all of this isn't focused around some primitive tribal god from the hill country of Judea, but rather this was or this is the main mode of transmission of some very, very ancient stories that would otherwise have been lost if the Jews hadn't stolen and adapted it for their own uses. And it takes a very clever person, a good analyst to read them and understand where they really may have come from.

END OF SESSION
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Tomek on March 24, 2013, 05:29:41 PM
Thank you very much for sharing this very interesting (as always !) session with us !
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: moksha on March 24, 2013, 05:35:21 PM

Q: (Belibaste) More negative. Okay. Can one individual, or several individuals, attract in a similar manner as this place, some cometary bodies?

A: Yes

Q: (Belibaste) Is it because their electric charge collectively or individually is modified?

A: Not only electric charge. In the realm from which some of these things are manifested or, better, "directed", information is king.

Q: (Belibaste) So if a group of individuals acquires, stores, information that is orthogonal to truth, i.e. lies, will this fact of acquiring information that is orthogonal to truth increase the attraction to meteorites or cometary bodies?

A: Yes


Thanks for the session! This part was the most interesting to me. I was wondering though, groups of individuals eventually converge to nations and most are run by psychopaths and their followers who are being led blindly. So this means that the 'swarm' will strike everywhere due to the ponerization of the world! A very sobering thought.

Also interesting was the Cs ending with a warning with the story of the wise virgins - i.e. to be prepared. Which hopefully means there is still time to be prepared!
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Jerry on March 24, 2013, 05:35:41 PM
Thanks Laura.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: anart on March 24, 2013, 05:36:24 PM
Quote from: C's
A: Yes. Please put all former clues together for ballpark figure, keeping in mind that the universe is open thus there will always be variables.

Q: (L) Okay. (Andromeda) Past comet streams? (L) So in other words, if we factor in what we know from the science of, say, Victor Clube and Bill Napier, plus observations we make, plus historical records, etc. and signs, we can figure out that something is probably fairly imminent. That would be my best guess. My thought is that if we don't get a plague from this one that exploded over Russia, we will from the next one. That's my best guess.

A: Good guess!

We also have the "5D city on the hill" previous clue to keep in mind.  With the number of fireballs over the northeast this last month, one wonders...
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Renaissance on March 24, 2013, 05:38:33 PM
Thanks! Lots of interesting things to think about.

Here's the parable of the wise and foolish virgins:

Quote
“Then the kingdom of heaven shall be likened to ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom.  Now five of them were wise, and five were foolish. Those who were foolish took their lamps and took no oil with them, but the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. But while the bridegroom was delayed, they all slumbered and slept.

“And at midnight a cry was heard: ‘Behold, the bridegroom is coming; go out to meet him!’ Then all those virgins arose and trimmed their lamps. And the foolish said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.’ But the wise answered, saying, ‘No, lest there should not be enough for us and you; but go rather to those who sell, and buy for yourselves.’ And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the wedding; and the door was shut.

“Afterward the other virgins came also, saying, ‘Lord, Lord, open to us!’ But he answered and said, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, I do not know you.’

“Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour in which the Son of Man is coming.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Savitri C on March 24, 2013, 05:46:13 PM
Quote from: C's
A: Yes. Please put all former clues together for ballpark figure, keeping in mind that the universe is open thus there will always be variables.

Q: (L) Okay. (Andromeda) Past comet streams? (L) So in other words, if we factor in what we know from the science of, say, Victor Clube and Bill Napier, plus observations we make, plus historical records, etc. and signs, we can figure out that something is probably fairly imminent. That would be my best guess. My thought is that if we don't get a plague from this one that exploded over Russia, we will from the next one. That's my best guess.

A: Good guess!

We also have the "5D city on the hill" previous clue to keep in mind.  With the number of fireballs over the northeast this last month, one wonders...

that was the first thing that came to my mind also   :O

Thank you Laura & crew so much
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Nicolas on March 24, 2013, 05:48:10 PM
Thank you so much for the "heads up" session.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: MB on March 24, 2013, 05:48:18 PM
Oh goody, another session -- thanks! The comments about science being the blind leading the blind aren't too surprising (the more you study it, the less "scientific" it looks), but the inference that it is literally caused by the purposes to which science has been applied is certainly interesting.

I am a bit puzzled by the post-session comments, although I am not quite sure at the moment how to ask the question. But somehow the discussion jumps from a "new testament" 'parable of the virgins' to the origins of Judaism. What's the connection?
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: The Mechanic on March 24, 2013, 05:49:20 PM
Thanks very much for the session!
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Gimpy on March 24, 2013, 05:55:02 PM
Just about the time I feel like giving up, a needed kick to the rear arrives....thank you!  :halo: :lol:
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Oxajil on March 24, 2013, 05:58:24 PM
Thank you for posting! Very interesting session.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: msante on March 24, 2013, 06:02:12 PM
Just about the time I feel like giving up, a needed kick to the rear arrives....thank you!  :halo: :lol:

It's good to know I'm not the only ...  :)  :-[

Thanks Laura for sharing.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Renaissance on March 24, 2013, 06:02:39 PM
I am a bit puzzled by the post-session comments, although I am not quite sure at the moment how to ask the question. But somehow the discussion jumps from a "new testament" 'parable of the virgins' to the origins of Judaism. What's the connection?

I think the connection is that there is still value to be found in some of the stories of the bible, if analysed with the proper understanding.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: istina on March 24, 2013, 06:04:29 PM
Thank you  :flowers:


Q: (Belibaste) More negative. Okay. Can one individual, or several individuals, attract in a similar manner as this place, some cometary bodies?

A: Yes

Q: (Belibaste) Is it because their electric charge collectively or individually is modified?

A: Not only electric charge. In the realm from which some of these things are manifested or, better, "directed", information is king.

Q: (Belibaste) So if a group of individuals acquires, stores, information that is orthogonal to truth, i.e. lies, will this fact of acquiring information that is orthogonal to truth increase the attraction to meteorites or cometary bodies?

A: Yes


Thanks for the session! This part was the most interesting to me.


This part was the most interesting to me as well!
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Mark on March 24, 2013, 06:18:21 PM

Q: (Belibaste) More negative. Okay. Can one individual, or several individuals, attract in a similar manner as this place, some cometary bodies?

A: Yes

Q: (Belibaste) Is it because their electric charge collectively or individually is modified?

A: Not only electric charge. In the realm from which some of these things are manifested or, better, "directed", information is king.

Q: (Belibaste) So if a group of individuals acquires, stores, information that is orthogonal to truth, i.e. lies, will this fact of acquiring information that is orthogonal to truth increase the attraction to meteorites or cometary bodies?

A: Yes


Thanks for the session! This part was the most interesting to me. I was wondering though, groups of individuals eventually converge to nations and most are run by psychopaths and their followers who are being led blindly. So this means that the 'swarm' will strike everywhere due to the ponerization of the world! A very sobering thought.

Also interesting was the Cs ending with a warning with the story of the wise virgins - i.e. to be prepared. Which hopefully means there is still time to be prepared!

I found this section to be very interesting as well. Goes well with HOM series.  Looks to me like some parts of the world will see more comet strikes than others. Nice to have another session to read this Sunday morning, thanks so much!
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Gertrudes on March 24, 2013, 06:20:07 PM
Thank you, as always, for posting the session  :flowers:

Thank you  :flowers:


Q: (Belibaste) More negative. Okay. Can one individual, or several individuals, attract in a similar manner as this place, some cometary bodies?

A: Yes

Q: (Belibaste) Is it because their electric charge collectively or individually is modified?

A: Not only electric charge. In the realm from which some of these things are manifested or, better, "directed", information is king.

Q: (Belibaste) So if a group of individuals acquires, stores, information that is orthogonal to truth, i.e. lies, will this fact of acquiring information that is orthogonal to truth increase the attraction to meteorites or cometary bodies?

A: Yes


Thanks for the session! This part was the most interesting to me.


This part was the most interesting to me as well!

I was just thinking about it, as it also reminds me of sinkholes. A description of a recent example where a man was suddenly "swallowed" by the ground beneath his bedroom when he was lying in bed can be found in this (http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,30680.0.html) thread.
I wonder if sinkholes follow similar principles to celestial bodies as to what actually attracts them.

Quote from: C's session
Q: (L) Okay. (Andromeda) Past comet streams? (L) So in other words, if we factor in what we know from the science of, say, Victor Clube and Bill Napier, plus observations we make, plus historical records, etc. and signs, we can figure out that something is probably fairly imminent. That would be my best guess. My thought is that if we don't get a plague from this one that exploded over Russia, we will from the next one. That's my best guess.

A: Good guess!

Well, plague or no plague I have never been surrounded by so many ill people, and with illnesses that linger for so long as I have been this year. I think that I can safely say that about half (if not more) of my clients have or have had strange "colds" that last forever and several have suffered from the flu. I'm also seeing a lot of respiratory problems and constant coughing amongst people who claim not having gotten ill for years.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: xox on March 24, 2013, 06:21:00 PM
Thanks for this session and thanks also, Shane, for including the parable.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Laura on March 24, 2013, 06:22:48 PM
Oh goody, another session -- thanks! The comments about science being the blind leading the blind aren't too surprising (the more you study it, the less "scientific" it looks), but the inference that it is literally caused by the purposes to which science has been applied is certainly interesting.

I am a bit puzzled by the post-session comments, although I am not quite sure at the moment how to ask the question. But somehow the discussion jumps from a "new testament" 'parable of the virgins' to the origins of Judaism. What's the connection?

Answer is right here:

Quote
Q: (Anna) Who are the wise virgins? What are they talking about. (L) Story in the bible. Wise and foolish virgins. It's funny that they make these biblical references.....

Followed by what was on my mind about the Bible as a source.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: rolyateel on March 24, 2013, 06:25:32 PM
Thank you for such a fascinating session.

There seems to be centers of negativity, centers that promote war theft and confusion (orthogonal to the truth)- London, Washington and Israel come to mind as the main culprits. I wonder if its one of these place that are in the firing line. Knocking out the propaganda voice might just be a good thing for the planet... but not for people who live their.

It certainly is an astonishing time to be alive.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: denekin on March 24, 2013, 06:30:13 PM
Thank you, Laura and compatriots.
This last week, for two days, we had sudden unexplained/unexplainable blizzards, and the sky was filled with virtually every kind of cloud I have ever seen.
Very picturesque, bizarre, and unsettling...We are in Eastern Washington State, almost in Canada.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: grini on March 24, 2013, 06:32:13 PM
Very interesting session, thank you! And thank you, Shane, for the parable.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: silos on March 24, 2013, 06:35:51 PM
Thank you for such a fascinating session.

There seems to be centers of negativity, centers that promote war theft and confusion (orthogonal to the truth)- London, Washington and Israel come to mind as the main culprits. I wonder if its one of these place that are in the firing line. Knocking out the propaganda voice might just be a good thing for the planet... but not for people who live their.

It certainly is an astonishing time to be alive.

Israel and USA popped in my head, too. There was one session about percentage of psychopaths in certain countries. Maybe those countries with the highest percentage of psychopaths will be striken first or hardest.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Gandalf on March 24, 2013, 06:37:30 PM
Thanks so much for the session and sharing it with us.  :love:
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Carl on March 24, 2013, 06:55:42 PM
Maybe this post would fit better somewhere else, but this session, especially the closing comments, hit me quite hard. I always feel a kind of anxiety when I'm reminded of preparation, like I'm totally not doing enough to be prepared.

Spending a lot of time doing Uni work and other such things, when I'm pretty well convinced that the poop is about to hit the fan, feels like I'm living a total lie. Sometimes I think I should just drop out, learn some proper handy real life skills, and really get prepared for tough times and have something substantial to give to others. But then, despite the monotony of Uni and my job, they keep the money coming in. Enough to allow me good food, and books anyway, as well as both being opportunities for self Work.

Maybe I'm just being drastic here, but it feels like the universe is bringing out the bright neon signs and, although I'm paying attention, it just doesn't feel like I'm acting on these signs like I should.

Thank you for the session :)
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: asdsdsaasdsaddsa on March 24, 2013, 06:56:17 PM
Thanks for the session..

from 2 weeks I'm also tired.. and sleeping 10-12 h per day... it is not normal..
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: KestrelBird on March 24, 2013, 07:01:25 PM
Q: (Belibaste) More negative. Okay. Can one individual, or several individuals, attract in a similar manner as this place, some cometary bodies?

Living now near Los Almos, and the Four Corners.....I am going to say - there will probably be a lot of activity here.  Left wondering, if dark can attract good.......as in intervention. The polarities are so incredibly stark here, and often deceptive.  I did see the comet recently.......and what I thought to be a UFO is September, only to be reported in the paper the following day, as a weather balloon......

Thank you so very much for your efforts Laura and crew. :D
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: KestrelBird on March 24, 2013, 07:05:09 PM
To BOBO OMG me too! Like never before. CME's??? :scared:
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Harold on March 24, 2013, 07:13:30 PM
Thank-you for the session everyone!  :)
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Mark on March 24, 2013, 07:17:23 PM
Maybe this post would fit better somewhere else, but this session, especially the closing comments, hit me quite hard. I always feel a kind of anxiety when I'm reminded of preparation, like I'm totally not doing enough to be prepared.

Spending a lot of time doing Uni work and other such things, when I'm pretty well convinced that the poop is about to hit the fan, feels like I'm living a total lie. Sometimes I think I should just drop out, learn some proper handy real life skills, and really get prepared for tough times and have something substantial to give to others. But then, despite the monotony of Uni and my job, they keep the money coming in. Enough to allow me good food, and books anyway, as well as both being opportunities for self Work.

Maybe I'm just being drastic here, but it feels like the universe is bringing out the bright neon signs and, although I'm paying attention, it just doesn't feel like I'm acting on these signs like I should.

Thank you for the session :)

I know how you feel. The decision to "drop out" or not may not be available soon. Things are rarely just black and white though are they?
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Emma on March 24, 2013, 07:26:27 PM
Thanks Laura and The Crew.

Very interesting session.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: trendsetter37 on March 24, 2013, 07:39:07 PM
Maybe this post would fit better somewhere else, but this session, especially the closing comments, hit me quite hard. I always feel a kind of anxiety when I'm reminded of preparation, like I'm totally not doing enough to be prepared.

Spending a lot of time doing Uni work and other such things, when I'm pretty well convinced that the poop is about to hit the fan, feels like I'm living a total lie. Sometimes I think I should just drop out, learn some proper handy real life skills, and really get prepared for tough times and have something substantial to give to others. But then, despite the monotony of Uni and my job, they keep the money coming in. Enough to allow me good food, and books anyway, as well as both being opportunities for self Work.

Maybe I'm just being drastic here, but it feels like the universe is bringing out the bright neon signs and, although I'm paying attention, it just doesn't feel like I'm acting on these signs like I should.

Thank you for the session :)

I hear you there Carlise! I'm working everyday, reading books and sott articles during my lunch break and also when I get home, but then I contemplate on what would happen if everything came to a head tomorrow and the infrastructure and way of life was turned on its head. I don't have adequate food or water supplies. I could hunt but I have nothing to hunt with.

I then say to myself that I am simply thinking in 3rd Density terms. So I can definitely empathize with the thought pattern you are experiencing at the moment. Also i'm in the south of the U.S. so yea 5D city on a hill was pretty sobering. Not to mentioned the fact that me and my wife were awakened by two distinct and arbitrary  booms last night around 3am.

I guess I said all of that to say the only thing you can do at the moment is to continue doing what you are doing seeking truth and applying/utilizing  knowledge. This session prompts me to think that this method of operation, in one's life, might foster some sort of "protection" from the events on the horizon but at the same time you have to take things as they happen (Within reason of course). Which also seems to align with STO.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Laura on March 24, 2013, 07:45:25 PM
Maybe this post would fit better somewhere else, but this session, especially the closing comments, hit me quite hard. I always feel a kind of anxiety when I'm reminded of preparation, like I'm totally not doing enough to be prepared.

Spending a lot of time doing Uni work and other such things, when I'm pretty well convinced that the poop is about to hit the fan, feels like I'm living a total lie. Sometimes I think I should just drop out, learn some proper handy real life skills, and really get prepared for tough times and have something substantial to give to others. But then, despite the monotony of Uni and my job, they keep the money coming in. Enough to allow me good food, and books anyway, as well as both being opportunities for self Work.

Maybe I'm just being drastic here, but it feels like the universe is bringing out the bright neon signs and, although I'm paying attention, it just doesn't feel like I'm acting on these signs like I should.

Thank you for the session :)

Maybe ya'll can formulate some simple progressions of questions about what it really means to be "prepared"?  I promise we'll do another very soon!!!  It's just been hectic around here, one thing after another, and finally the taxes were all done after weeks of accounting data entry.  So now, with the business out of the way, we can try to get back to normal, whatever that is.  In short, another session soon, so let's get some good questions together about what "being prepared" really means.  I have the feeling that it isn't what people usually think.


Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Drazen on March 24, 2013, 07:57:55 PM
Thank you for the session, it always brings a big smile on my face.

Thank you for such a fascinating session.

There seems to be centers of negativity, centers that promote war theft and confusion (orthogonal to the truth)- London, Washington and Israel come to mind as the main culprits. I wonder if its one of these place that are in the firing line. Knocking out the propaganda voice might just be a good thing for the planet... but not for people who live their.

It certainly is an astonishing time to be alive.

Israel and USA popped in my head, too. There was one session about percentage of psychopaths in certain countries. Maybe those countries with the highest percentage of psychopaths will be striken first or hardest.

That is what I think too. USA, Israel or surrounding area. Didn't C's once said that PTB will not succeed in their plans of attacking and destroying Iran because weather or Earth changes will spoil their plans? Maybe this is one part of the picture.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Mrs. Peel on March 24, 2013, 08:01:48 PM
In short, another session soon, so let's get some good questions together about what "being prepared" really means.  I have the feeling that it isn't what people usually think.

Prepared to exit 3D perhaps...  ;)
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Sirius on March 24, 2013, 08:08:17 PM
Hello,

Thanks for the new session after 12/21. And the world remained. :P

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A: Yes. But scientists have been blinded by being led by the blind!

Q: (L) Hmm. So you say, "Scientists have been blinded by being led by the blind." Do you mean that...

A: When science is used for killing they have lost their honor and their way. Remember the parable of the talents. The man who was afraid and hid and hoarded? Then when the master came he was cast into darkness with the weepers and wailers. Thus shall it be yet again.
Quite amazing statements. How true they are ...

Spending a lot of time doing Uni work and other such things, when I'm pretty well convinced that the poop is about to hit the fan, feels like I'm living a total lie. Sometimes I think I should just drop out, learn some proper handy real life skills, and really get prepared for tough times and have something substantial to give to others. But then, despite the monotony of Uni and my job, they keep the money coming in. Enough to allow me good food, and books anyway, as well as both being opportunities for self Work.
But mastering difficult life situations is also a good way to gain some strength and experience which could play an important role in the future. A clever time schedule might help in your specific situation. Yes, I fully agree with you that money is important for having sufficient budgets for good and expensive food, living, things like books, you name it.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: MB on March 24, 2013, 08:14:30 PM
Oh goody, another session -- thanks! The comments about science being the blind leading the blind aren't too surprising (the more you study it, the less "scientific" it looks), but the inference that it is literally caused by the purposes to which science has been applied is certainly interesting.

I am a bit puzzled by the post-session comments, although I am not quite sure at the moment how to ask the question. But somehow the discussion jumps from a "new testament" 'parable of the virgins' to the origins of Judaism. What's the connection?

Answer is right here:

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Q: (Anna) Who are the wise virgins? What are they talking about. (L) Story in the bible. Wise and foolish virgins. It's funny that they make these biblical references.....

Followed by what was on my mind about the Bible as a source.

OK, so the connection is that they are both "in the Bible." I just wouldn't normally associate such an NT parable with things OT. I don't have any idea where this parable came from. It's a good parable, though. :)
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: LMJ on March 24, 2013, 08:18:49 PM
Thank you for the session, Laura and Crew!  :) :) :) I was just thinking the other day that you would be putting a new one up soon. So glad! I look forward to a new topic on "being prepared".  It will probably be more along spiritual ideas as in the parable of the ten virgins. Cleaning the machine so to speak.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: sbeaudry on March 24, 2013, 08:21:13 PM
Maybe this post would fit better somewhere else, but this session, especially the closing comments, hit me quite hard. I always feel a kind of anxiety when I'm reminded of preparation, like I'm totally not doing enough to be prepared.

Spending a lot of time doing Uni work and other such things, when I'm pretty well convinced that the poop is about to hit the fan, feels like I'm living a total lie. Sometimes I think I should just drop out, learn some proper handy real life skills, and really get prepared for tough times and have something substantial to give to others. But then, despite the monotony of Uni and my job, they keep the money coming in. Enough to allow me good food, and books anyway, as well as both being opportunities for self Work.

Maybe I'm just being drastic here, but it feels like the universe is bringing out the bright neon signs and, although I'm paying attention, it just doesn't feel like I'm acting on these signs like I should.

Thank you for the session :)

Maybe ya'll can formulate some simple progressions of questions about what it really means to be "prepared"?  I promise we'll do another very soon!!!  It's just been hectic around here, one thing after another, and finally the taxes were all done after weeks of accounting data entry.  So now, with the business out of the way, we can try to get back to normal, whatever that is.  In short, another session soon, so let's get some good questions together about what "being prepared" really means.  I have the feeling that it isn't what people usually think.

Thank you for the session! Very interesting. I also wonder about what being prepared really means. I tend to think in 3D terms such as stocking up on food, water, tobacco, vinegar, garlic, etc.  Knowledge protects but it is confusing being that there are just simply too many variables and 3D thinking is so limited.  That'll be something to think about today for sure. The wise virgins... Hmmm
Thanks again :)
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: voyageur on March 24, 2013, 08:23:22 PM
Thank you each and all for the session.  :)

Being prepared? This seems to be the question of questions, which makes me think in therms of both mind/body as an exit situation, or if survival, one will need same. Whatever the case, each requires continuous work.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Parallel on March 24, 2013, 08:25:42 PM
Thanks for the session!

I'm a bit confused as to the technical meaning of 'formulate progressions of questions..' I'm going to go with a small list of what comes to mind regarding preparation:

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Reality check : Have a daily check up on your levels of Normalcy bias, dissociation and excuses for remaining attuned to the sleeping world. How is your self remembering working out? Do you keep up with SoTT and how does it affect you. Network about it.

Rethinking relocation : becoming attuned or open to possibilities that may appear so as not to be stuck in places with high probability of exposure to troubled areas (coasts, northern hemisphere, larger cities and 'magnetic hotspots' as referenced in session )

Food and material stock : Canning, tobacco and emergency stocks of daily basic materials to soften the blow of adjusting to a world without luxuries and in need of stuff that will be hoarded by profiting gangs. Information gathering on survival tricks.

Handy skills : How will you be valuable to a society without basic necessities?
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: whitecoast on March 24, 2013, 08:28:12 PM
Thanks for the session, Laura and all who attended. The part about Biblical parables was a wonderful addendum to the session. It makes me contemplate picking up a Bible myself, though there's noise to wade through between parables. Though I'm sure there are online archives of parables on their own...
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: anart on March 24, 2013, 08:34:40 PM
Thanks for the session!

I'm a bit confused as to the technical meaning of 'formulate progressions of questions..'

In order to get the C's input on what it really means to be prepared, the questions have to be formulated.  They need to be clear and concise and that's not usually very easy to do. So, the idea is to work on formulating some questions for the C's that will help us to discern the real meaning of the phrase "be prepared".  So, how would we start to ask that?  "What does it mean to be prepared?" is probably too broad since it might vary, so...
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Aragorn on March 24, 2013, 08:36:28 PM
Thanks for the session. Interesting and thought provoking, as usual. Got 10 pints with meat in the canner cooking right now...but as said, the preparation thing is probably a combination of many things. 'Information' was mentioned, too...
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: rylek on March 24, 2013, 08:37:42 PM
Thanks so much for another session!

 


Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: skycsil on March 24, 2013, 08:39:55 PM
Thanks crew for this session.
The "being prepared" thing and the parable could possibly mean we're missing something. We have the lamp (food, water, etc) but we need the oil. And we should get it soon.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Rose on March 24, 2013, 08:42:52 PM
Thank you so much for the new session!  :love:
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Madara Horseman on March 24, 2013, 08:48:00 PM
Maybe this post would fit better somewhere else, but this session, especially the closing comments, hit me quite hard. I always feel a kind of anxiety when I'm reminded of preparation, like I'm totally not doing enough to be prepared.

Spending a lot of time doing Uni work and other such things, when I'm pretty well convinced that the poop is about to hit the fan, feels like I'm living a total lie. Sometimes I think I should just drop out, learn some proper handy real life skills, and really get prepared for tough times and have something substantial to give to others. But then, despite the monotony of Uni and my job, they keep the money coming in. Enough to allow me good food, and books anyway, as well as both being opportunities for self Work.

Maybe I'm just being drastic here, but it feels like the universe is bringing out the bright neon signs and, although I'm paying attention, it just doesn't feel like I'm acting on these signs like I should.

Thank you for the session :)

Maybe ya'll can formulate some simple progressions of questions about what it really means to be "prepared"?  I promise we'll do another very soon!!!  It's just been hectic around here, one thing after another, and finally the taxes were all done after weeks of accounting data entry.  So now, with the business out of the way, we can try to get back to normal, whatever that is.  In short, another session soon, so let's get some good questions together about what "being prepared" really means.  I have the feeling that it isn't what people usually think.

Thank you for the session, team!

As far as preparation goes, probably one needs to have passed a certain threshold through finding and applying special knowledge. It's simplistic but that's what hit me first. Excuse my English.

Edit: Why did they put "prepare" in quotes?
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: MrEightFive on March 24, 2013, 08:55:42 PM
[...]
A: See/C you soon!
[...]

Quote from: Session Sept 06, 2009
[...]
Q: (Discussion of last session when Guest was present, and the "April drop dead date" response to Guest's moving to France questions. The C's said the April Drop Dead Date applied in general and not just to Guest.) (Perceval) Was it a biased answer because of Guest's presence?
A: No.

Q: (J) "3 Nights": Does it have anything to do with that quatrain from Nostradamus? And you're not allowed to say "Wait and see"!
A: Wait and C.
[...]
:huh: :/
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Windmill knight on March 24, 2013, 08:55:54 PM
In short, another session soon, so let's get some good questions together about what "being prepared" really means.  I have the feeling that it isn't what people usually think.

Prepared to exit 3D perhaps...  ;)

Well, I was just going to comment that the oil in the lamps sounds like a metaphor for knowledge and applying it - in a spiritual sense mainly. Although the same could be said for 'prepping' in the material sense, if we consider what sort of consequences comets can produce on life as we know it - and therefore how limited our 3d prepping efforts may be - being part of the future probably means reaching the 'graduation frequency', so we fit in the future world, whether in a future incarnation or this one, without necessarily surviving the physical changes. And if we add the idea that the places that will be hit the hardest are determined by the negativity of the people in the area, then that gives further weight to spiritual understanding as the bridge to the future.

Oh, and thanks for the session! I just remembered that last night I had one of those comet + nuclear bomb dreams. Hmm...
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: MrEightFive on March 24, 2013, 08:58:01 PM
Sorry, my mistake - quote from 06 September 2006 session. And thanks for this one!
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Parallel on March 24, 2013, 09:10:02 PM
Thanks for the session!

I'm a bit confused as to the technical meaning of 'formulate progressions of questions..'

In order to get the C's input on what it really means to be prepared, the questions have to be formulated.  They need to be clear and concise and that's not usually very easy to do. So, the idea is to work on formulating some questions for the C's that will help us to discern the real meaning of the phrase "be prepared".  So, how would we start to ask that?  "What does it mean to be prepared?" is probably too broad since it might vary, so...

I see now what is meant, thanks. But not necessarily how to ask the question. I guess "what would a 4d StO candidate preparedness priority-list look like?" or "Which elements of a 'wise virgins oil' would be healthiest on a soul level to pay attentien to?", would be too broad and would need to be broken down into bits?
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Carl on March 24, 2013, 09:10:23 PM
Maybe ya'll can formulate some simple progressions of questions about what it really means to be "prepared"?  I promise we'll do another very soon!!!  It's just been hectic around here, one thing after another, and finally the taxes were all done after weeks of accounting data entry.  So now, with the business out of the way, we can try to get back to normal, whatever that is.  In short, another session soon, so let's get some good questions together about what "being prepared" really means.  I have the feeling that it isn't what people usually think.

That sounds great, it's good to hear that stuff is out of the way :) . I have a few, though they could probably be framed more concisely.

Relating to the 'comets being attracted to high-density-lie areas' idea, would it be beneficial for us to move to a certain geographical area together, or at least do this locally, forming lie free zones?.

How are we to survive the rampant psychopathy in this world that has obviously chosen it's own path to oblivion? Will we have to defend ourselves physically? Should we be basically be prepared to die?

Is the approach of the wave going to change our experience of reality, so that, basically, our acceptance of Truth or Lies is much more important than worrying about matters such as food?

Will we have an opportunity to help others here, or are we basically trying to prepare an Ark and get the hell out of here, leaving the population to their chosen lessons?
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: whitecoast on March 24, 2013, 09:28:46 PM
Thank you each and all for the session.  :)

Being prepared? This seems to be the question of questions, which makes me think in therms of both mind/body as an exit situation, or if survival, one will need same. Whatever the case, each requires continuous work.
In short, another session soon, so let's get some good questions together about what "being prepared" really means.  I have the feeling that it isn't what people usually think.

Prepared to exit 3D perhaps...  ;)

Or at least being prepared in terms of more than just 3D thinking. In 4th Way there's a substance produced by those working together that can't be produced alone. Perhaps coming changes will allow people to use that certain something in ways we simply cannot in 3D? I could be off-base. But it feels like they're referring to more than just diet, breathing, preparation for economic collapse or plague ...
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Inga on March 24, 2013, 09:33:43 PM
Thanks Laura and the team. Thanks Cs.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Savitri C on March 24, 2013, 09:46:37 PM
I think the best way to be prepared (our lamp oil) is 'frequency' produced by our efforts in doing/ living The Work everyday
 (saving energy so we can connect to our higher centres and to become 'immortal' as Gurdijeff said) ...
And the Cass said it's not important where we are but who we are and what we see ..
.So I assume it is not food and water that is the most important couse it's only fuel for the body - the soul is the one that counts...)  :/
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: MB on March 24, 2013, 09:54:10 PM
...A: Those who wish to participate in the future should "be prepared" like the wise virgins...

The parable ends (Mt. 25:13) with a statement about "keeping watch," although the passage is about "preparation" and some translations use some form of that word in v. 10.

Here (from the C's) we have "be prepared," presumably looking at the passage as a whole. The parable describes what happens to those who were unprepared. They were not "watching for the signs" (Mt. 24), and they were not expecting to have to wait so long. The lack of preparation is specifically in reference to running low on something -- a source of light -- that is consumed continuously and must be replenished during a long wait (from carrying an extra supply). Hmmm.

As I recall, 10 "virgins" is probably referring to 10 young women -- servants perhaps? -- and evidently with a definite role or job to perform. Half of them weren't doing their jobs, and got fired. Hmmm.

There is a cultural context for this story -- weddings, lamps, virgins -- but when I try Googling it I come up with mounds of rubbish "spiritual" interpretations instead. Does anybody have more information? What exactly was their job?
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Savitri C on March 24, 2013, 10:14:36 PM
...A: Those who wish to participate in the future should "be prepared" like the wise virgins...

There is a cultural context for this story -- weddings, lamps, virgins -- but when I try Googling it I come up with mounds of rubbish "spiritual" interpretations instead. Does anybody have more information? What exactly was their job?

wedding, marriage - union, becoming the part of something,
lamp - knowledge = light = love
virgin - purity, objectivity, wisdom

hmmmm  :huh:

...maybe astrological symbol of Virgo has something to do with all this ?
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Ennio on March 24, 2013, 10:18:52 PM
Well, I was just going to comment that the oil in the lamps sounds like a metaphor for knowledge and applying it - in a spiritual sense mainly. Although the same could be said for 'prepping' in the material sense, if we consider what sort of consequences comets can produce on life as we know it - and therefore how limited our 3d prepping efforts may be - being part of the future probably means reaching the 'graduation frequency', so we fit in the future world, whether in a future incarnation or this one, without necessarily surviving the physical changes. And if we add the idea that the places that will be hit the hardest are determined by the negativity of the people in the area, then that gives further weight to spiritual understanding as the bridge to the future.

Though this is a bit literal, the oil in the lamps also reminds me of fuel in general ie. fat / protein which is 'burned' and used for energy by our bodies. And having enough of it on reserve to tide us over during dark times. Likely that the C's said what they did knowing it had multiple meanings. "Be prepared" is also the motto of the boy scouts, and those two words have come to mind quite a lot lately! In any case, I look forward to seeing what kinds of questions we can formulate here.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Laura on March 24, 2013, 10:19:26 PM

As I recall, 10 "virgins" is probably referring to 10 young women -- servants perhaps? -- and evidently with a definite role or job to perform. Half of them weren't doing their jobs, and got fired. Hmmm.

There is a cultural context for this story -- weddings, lamps, virgins -- but when I try Googling it I come up with mounds of rubbish "spiritual" interpretations instead. Does anybody have more information? What exactly was their job?

I think to find the real "meat" of that matter, one would have to look further afield than a Judaic context.  Probably in Anatolian or Greek ideas/customs since whatever is "Judaism" seems to have been born of Mesopotamian, Anatolian, and Greek influences.

One thing that occurred to me as I was reading other responses was this:

Quote
31 May 1997


Q:  Do these divisions of consciousness grow and change?
A: Yes.
Q: And they grow and change through acquiring knowledge, is that
correct?
A: Basically.
Q:  And acquiring knowledge is akin to acquiring energy? Or light?
Light energy?
A: Not exactly.  That would be like saying that "filling up" at the
gas station is akin to acquiring speed.
Q: So, knowledge and light are like the gas for the car, but speed
comes from utilization?
A: Yes.
Q: And utilization means...
A: Knowledge application which generates energy, which, in turn,
generates light.

Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Green_Manalishi on March 24, 2013, 10:38:27 PM
  If knowledge is the "oil", they didn't share the "oil" with the foolish. Should there be a point where knowledge should not be shared with others, in a kind of too late to wake up scenario perhaps?

  If viewed in knowledge application, there will come a time that those that have it cannot share it because they have to apply it to themselves in order to survive?
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Renaissance on March 24, 2013, 10:49:21 PM
Since all the virgins have lamps with some oil, seems to me that the story is geared to those doing the Work and those who may imagine they are doing the Work (or are only partially committed to it). The virgins with some oil have apparently done some preparation but they are dependent on past efforts rather than continual ones.  It reminds me of how Gurdjieff said something along the lines of how efforts in doing the Work need to be continual - that the good efforts of one day does not mean you can slack off the next (to paraphrase loosely).  The foolish virgins also do not have foresight and as such depend on others. If that dependence is there, when the time comes where they find themselves still gathering themselves, then they will not be known by the 'bridegroom' (which symbolizes a marriage or connection with the divine?). So it seems that paying attention and being in a state of continual preparedness go hand in hand with being able to make such a connection.

As far as what this preparedness is, I think it makes sense that it relates more to knowledge than the purely material.  In regards to lamps and light, the C's session that Laura brought up about the application of knowledge generating light is interesting.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: genero81 on March 24, 2013, 10:54:45 PM
Well, I was just going to comment that the oil in the lamps sounds like a metaphor for knowledge and applying it - in a spiritual sense mainly. Although the same could be said for 'prepping' in the material sense, if we consider what sort of consequences comets can produce on life as we know it - and therefore how limited our 3d prepping efforts may be - being part of the future probably means reaching the 'graduation frequency', so we fit in the future world, whether in a future incarnation or this one, without necessarily surviving the physical changes. And if we add the idea that the places that will be hit the hardest are determined by the negativity of the people in the area, then that gives further weight to spiritual understanding as the bridge to the future.

Though this is a bit literal, the oil in the lamps also reminds me of fuel in general IE. fat / protein which is 'burned' and used for energy by our bodies. And having enough of it on reserve to tide us over during dark times. Likely that the C's said what they did knowing it had multiple meanings. "Be prepared" is also the motto of the boy scouts, and those two words have come to mind quite a lot lately! In any case, I look forward to seeing what kinds of questions we can formulate here.

Exactly what I was thinking. Also, the oil in the lamps is the fuel for the flame which produces light. So also there's " utilization of knowledge generates light." A different meaning but I get the feeling the C's are hinting at multiple meanings that correlate. Maybe we can formulate some questions along these lines?
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: trendsetter37 on March 24, 2013, 11:03:18 PM
  If knowledge is the "oil", they didn't share the "oil" with the foolish. Should there be a point where knowledge should not be shared with others, in a kind of too late to wake up scenario perhaps?

  If viewed in knowledge application, there will come a time that those that have it cannot share it because they have to apply it to themselves in order to survive?

This makes a lot of sense. I can remember times when I have felt thoroughly drained when discussing either topics of this forum or sott articles with people that will sometimes ask my opinion or act interested but don't really care or just let it go through one ear and out the other. Subsequently, they would turn around and do something very contradictory of their previous interest in "the work"/ diet/ etc., which is a clue to me that it could be a waste of energy to discuss things of this nature with them in the future.

Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Emmanuel on March 24, 2013, 11:16:24 PM
Thank you very much for the sesion and for sharing. :)

About the weather...here in Queensland on Gold coast, Australia is raining for 2 and a half months already. The people who live here for years said that is never been so much rain for so long with so little sun. And they call Queensland a sunshine state.  ;)
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: dugdeep on March 24, 2013, 11:19:20 PM
Thanks so much for the session :D

In regards to preparation, my mind drifted to the other bible parable that was mentioned in this session - the parable of the talents. What strikes me is the use of the term "talent". Back in the day, whenever this parable was actually written, the term was used to denote a weight measurement, often used for currency (or so wikipedia tells me); eg. 'a talent of gold'. So the parable is refering to the servants being given currency. But in the present, the term talent means an aptitude or skill; a gift one was born with or one has developed; something one is good at. So I'm turning over in my mind how one can "use their talents" to multiply them instead of hiding them away. Perhaps it relates to using one's talents in an STO manner, sharing them, spreading them for the benefit of others, versus hording, hiding and using your "talents" only for yourself. Perhaps using one's talents is how one "prepares", if that makes sense.

I'm not sure if this ties in directly to preparation since the C's didn't mention it in that context, but it's just the direction my thoughts were heading.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: genero81 on March 24, 2013, 11:27:46 PM
Thanks so much for the session :D

In regards to preparation, my mind drifted to the other bible parable that was mentioned in this session - the parable of the talents. What strikes me is the use of the term "talent". Back in the day, whenever this parable was actually written, the term was used to denote a weight measurement, often used for currency (or so wikipedia tells me); eg. 'a talent of gold'. So the parable is refering to the servants being given currency. But in the present, the term talent means an aptitude or skill; a gift one was born with or one has developed; something one is good at. So I'm turning over in my mind how one can "use their talents" to multiply them instead of hiding them away. Perhaps it relates to using one's talents in an STO manner, sharing them, spreading them for the benefit of others, versus hording, hiding and using your "talents" only for yourself. Perhaps using one's talents is how one "prepares", if that makes sense.

I'm not sure if this ties in directly to preparation since the C's didn't mention it in that context, but it's just the direction my thoughts were heading.

In regards to that, I thought it referred to the PTB trying to grab and hoard resources in order to try and survive. But they will be cast into darkness for the wrong aporoach.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: dugdeep on March 24, 2013, 11:31:06 PM
Also, this struck me as interesting:

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Q: (L) We forgot to ask who's with us tonight!

A: Pronoia.

Q: (L) And where do you transmit from?

A: Cassiopaea.

Quote from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pronoia_%28psychology%29
Pronoia is a neologism that is defined as the opposite state of mind as paranoia: having the sense that there is a conspiracy that exists to help the person. It is also used to describe a philosophy that the world is set up to secretly benefit people.

The writer and Electronic Frontier Foundation co-founder John Perry Barlow defined pronoia as "the suspicion the Universe is a conspiracy on your behalf".[1] The academic journal "Social Problems" published an article entitled "Pronoia" by Fred H. Goldner in 1982 (vol 30, pp. 82–91). It received a good deal of publicity at the time including references to it in Psychology Today, The New York Daily News, The Wall Street Journal etc. It described a phenomenon that was the opposite from paranoia and provided numerous examples of specific persons who displayed such characteristics.
[...]
The opening paragraphs of the article describe "a new and contagious cultural virus" and refer to pronoia as "the sneaking feeling one has that others are conspiring behind your back to help you".

Possibly a subtle hint? There's also this from the session:
Quote from: C's
You see, there are those who would seek to block or harm you, and those who stand guard in an energetic sense which is close to the limit of permitted assistance at this point, though that may change along with conditions.

Help is on the way?
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Rabelais on March 24, 2013, 11:45:50 PM
Thanks. Good session. I am motivated to stock up my "lamp oil" inventory. Many different levels of preparation need review.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Carl on March 24, 2013, 11:51:50 PM
Also, this struck me as interesting:

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Q: (L) We forgot to ask who's with us tonight!

A: Pronoia.

Q: (L) And where do you transmit from?

A: Cassiopaea.

Quote from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pronoia_%28psychology%29
Pronoia is a neologism that is defined as the opposite state of mind as paranoia: having the sense that there is a conspiracy that exists to help the person. It is also used to describe a philosophy that the world is set up to secretly benefit people.

The writer and Electronic Frontier Foundation co-founder John Perry Barlow defined pronoia as "the suspicion the Universe is a conspiracy on your behalf".[1] The academic journal "Social Problems" published an article entitled "Pronoia" by Fred H. Goldner in 1982 (vol 30, pp. 82–91). It received a good deal of publicity at the time including references to it in Psychology Today, The New York Daily News, The Wall Street Journal etc. It described a phenomenon that was the opposite from paranoia and provided numerous examples of specific persons who displayed such characteristics.
[...]
The opening paragraphs of the article describe "a new and contagious cultural virus" and refer to pronoia as "the sneaking feeling one has that others are conspiring behind your back to help you".

Possibly a subtle hint? There's also this from the session:
Quote from: C's
You see, there are those who would seek to block or harm you, and those who stand guard in an energetic sense which is close to the limit of permitted assistance at this point, though that may change along with conditions.

Help is on the way?

Wow, that is a very interesting connection. It also seems to me to be a hint that the only way through this will be to trust in the Universe, and let go of the paranoia attitude of 3d thinking. A small dose of Pronoia often helps when making difficult or scary choices. "When you begin to separate limiting emotions based on assumptions from emotions that open one to unlimited possibilities, that means you are preparing for the next density."
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Sirius on March 24, 2013, 11:53:07 PM
Thank you for this insight, dugdeep. I also noticed the strange sounding name in this session.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Galius on March 24, 2013, 11:59:36 PM
I am a wise virgins   xD
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: whitecoast on March 25, 2013, 12:02:05 AM
Since all the virgins have lamps with some oil, seems to me that the story is geared to those doing the Work and those who may imagine they are doing the Work (or are only partially committed to it). The virgins with some oil have apparently done some preparation but they are dependent on past efforts rather than continual ones.  It reminds me of how Gurdjieff said something along the lines of how efforts in doing the Work need to be continual - that the good efforts of one day does not mean you can slack off the next (to paraphrase loosely).  The foolish virgins also do not have foresight and as such depend on others. If that dependence is there, when the time comes where they find themselves still gathering themselves, then they will not be known by the 'bridegroom' (which symbolizes a marriage or connection with the divine?). So it seems that paying attention and being in a state of continual preparedness go hand in hand with being able to make such a connection.

As far as what this preparedness is, I think it makes sense that it relates more to knowledge than the purely material.  In regards to lamps and light, the C's session that Laura brought up about the application of knowledge generating light is interesting.

I think that's a really good interpretation of the parable in terms of the work, Shane. Thanks for sharing :) I don't think the oil is related specifically to knowledge in this analogy, because casting pearls before swine is it's own parable.

I am a wise virgins   xD

I don't think that really contributed to the discussion, for what it's worth. Please remember to keep the noise down. :)
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Nancy2feathers on March 25, 2013, 12:05:57 AM
Thank you all for sharing this session with the"C`s". It`s given me lots to contemplate. Several levels of meaning. It feels like a whirlwind
 
taking it all in. Writing things down helps me sort out my thoughts.This session made things clearer in preparedness mentally and
 
physically. Lots of reading to do and putting that knowledge to use. Then on the physical side... My list of things to do and supplies to

 stock up on.

Just some food for thought! :cool2

Thanks again Laura and Team and Forum members. The Work here is invaluable.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Navigator on March 25, 2013, 12:15:21 AM
In short, another session soon, so let's get some good questions together about what "being prepared" really means.  I have the feeling that it isn't what people usually think.

Prepared to exit 3D perhaps...  ;)

Well, I was just going to comment that the oil in the lamps sounds like a metaphor for knowledge and applying it - in a spiritual sense mainly. Although the same could be said for 'prepping' in the material sense, if we consider what sort of consequences comets can produce on life as we know it - and therefore how limited our 3d prepping efforts may be - being part of the future probably means reaching the 'graduation frequency', so we fit in the future world, whether in a future incarnation or this one, without necessarily surviving the physical changes. And if we add the idea that the places that will be hit the hardest are determined by the negativity of the people in the area, then that gives further weight to spiritual understanding as the bridge to the future.

Oh, and thanks for the session! I just remembered that last night I had one of those comet + nuclear bomb dreams. Hmm...

I have had two "flood" dreams in a row just last night and the night before, in last night's there were alien spacecraft in a chase as well  :shock:
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: MB on March 25, 2013, 12:18:48 AM
...There is a cultural context for this story -- weddings, lamps, virgins -- but when I try Googling it I come up with mounds of rubbish "spiritual" interpretations instead. Does anybody have more information? What exactly was their job?

I think to find the real "meat" of that matter, one would have to look further afield than a Judaic context.  Probably in Anatolian or Greek ideas/customs since whatever is "Judaism" seems to have been born of Mesopotamian, Anatolian, and Greek influences.

I did more Googling after my earlier post, using better search terms, and found general information about wedding ceremonies in that region and era, and about bridal parties and processions. I also found that people were retrofitting the specific details of the parable into historical information about Jewish weddings in order to make it fit. So this story may indeed have come from another culture. I will poke around a bit more -- thanks!

Quote from: L
One thing that occurred to me as I was reading other responses was this:

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31 May 1997


Q:  Do these divisions of consciousness grow and change?
A: Yes.
Q: And they grow and change through acquiring knowledge, is that
correct?
A: Basically.
Q:  And acquiring knowledge is akin to acquiring energy? Or light?
Light energy?
A: Not exactly.  That would be like saying that "filling up" at the
gas station is akin to acquiring speed.
Q: So, knowledge and light are like the gas for the car, but speed
comes from utilization?
A: Yes.
Q: And utilization means...
A: Knowledge application which generates energy, which, in turn,
generates light.

There is a parallel with the gas tank and the oil jars. The problem in the parable is that 5 of the women didn't bring along extra oil, and the lamps themselves didn't contain enough oil to last the evening, something they should have known.

You have to bring with you what you need to finish the trip and that you can't buy along the way, or you end up out of gas in the desert (or flying over thick clouds over Los Angeles in a small plane with the gas gauge near empty, as I once experienced). Maybe we need not just gas, but a reserve tank. (Or jerry cans--memories of driving to Alaska on the Alcan.) An extension of built-in capacity. That would require special preparation.

The more I look at this, the more I realize I don't know what I am looking for. This parable has bothered me for a very long time, and it's only getting worse.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Keit on March 25, 2013, 12:33:54 AM
  If knowledge is the "oil", they didn't share the "oil" with the foolish. Should there be a point where knowledge should not be shared with others, in a kind of too late to wake up scenario perhaps?

  If viewed in knowledge application, there will come a time that those that have it cannot share it because they have to apply it to themselves in order to survive?

Maybe it has to do with concepts like payment in a Gurgieffian sense, so it can't be really shared by others (and not in the sense that they shouldn't), but has to be done by a person himself.

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‘Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.’ But the wise answered, saying, ‘No, lest there should not be enough for us and you; but go rather to those who sell, and buy for yourselves.’

The same for knowledge, that has to be utilized and then generate energy/light on a personal level.


Q: So, knowledge and light are like the gas for the car, but speed
comes from utilization?
A: Yes.
Q: And utilization means...
A: Knowledge application which generates energy, which, in turn,
generates light.

If level of knowledge has to match the level of being in order to utilize it and become response-able, then sharing it won't do much good. It has to be the result of a personal effort and work.  Like a muscle that has to be built in order to be able to carry something heavier or for a longer period of time. C's mentioned once that knowledge input has to be continuous. And maybe it also has to do with what C's once said about windows of opportunities. And making a wrong choice can lead a person on a different path or cause him to waste time and thus miss the window.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Flashgordonv on March 25, 2013, 01:00:38 AM
Once again thanks for the session
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Roger on March 25, 2013, 01:03:53 AM
Thank you Laura and company for this session, really appreciated.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: FrankM4326754 on March 25, 2013, 01:07:52 AM
Thanks for sharing Laura and Crew! 
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Bluefyre on March 25, 2013, 01:12:39 AM
Thanks for the session everyone.  Lots of food for thought.  And what an interesting connection with the name!
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: mkrnhr on March 25, 2013, 01:30:25 AM
It is noticeable that the Cassiopaeans cited two parables from the three that constitute chapter 25 of the gospel according to Matthiew (the Ten Virgins (torchbearers?), the talents, Sheep and Goats): _http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_25
My superficial understanding of the parables of the talents and the ten virgins is about using knowledge wisely in order to "fructify" it and be more prepared as in a positive loop. It is interesting that in the parable of the ten virgins there is a door and a certain time for that door to be open. Maybe it is a re-adaptation of a more ancient story from the mystery schools?
In the parable of the sheep and goats there is also a separation that occurs and it is interesting to find the concept of theoxeny we encountered in the Odyssey.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Eva on March 25, 2013, 01:32:23 AM
Thanks Laura and all for sharing this session.

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Q: (Belibaste) More negative. Okay. Can one individual, or several individuals, attract in a similar manner as this place, some cometary bodies?

A: Yes

Q: (Belibaste) Is it because their electric charge collectively or individually is modified?

A: Not only electric charge. In the realm from which some of these things are manifested or, better, "directed", information is king.

Q: (Belibaste) So if a group of individuals acquires, stores, information that is orthogonal to truth, i.e. lies, will this fact of acquiring information that is orthogonal to truth increase the attraction to meteorites or cometary bodies?

A: Yes

This makes sense, sadly. I wonder how the social unrest is associated with this, in the sense that, where people are starting to speak up/revolt there's probably less wishful thinking and lies believed on a large scale, even if the leaders are still psychopaths.


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Q: (L) Which reminds me... I was reading in this book about Greek religion by Walter Burkert that the term "paean" was used to describe to the type of songs that were sung in the worship of the god Apollo in the most ancient times. And Apollo was supposedly the Hyperborean god, and if my suppositions are correct, was also the god that was worshipped at Stonehenge. Any connection there?

A: Indeed.

That's interesting, I searched the forum for anything else on Apollo and Stonehenge and found this from the February 19, 2000 session. (funny, that's my birthday)

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Q:  The legend was that the god, Phoebus Apollo, danced at Stonehenge every nineteen years.  What does this relate to ?

A:  Symbolic.  Tides, moon eclipses, that sort of thing.  Think of Wiccans entubed on the information superhighway!

Also, this struck me as interesting:

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Q: (L) We forgot to ask who's with us tonight!

A: Pronoia.

Q: (L) And where do you transmit from?

A: Cassiopaea.

Quote from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pronoia_%28psychology%29
Pronoia is a neologism that is defined as the opposite state of mind as paranoia: having the sense that there is a conspiracy that exists to help the person. It is also used to describe a philosophy that the world is set up to secretly benefit people.

The writer and Electronic Frontier Foundation co-founder John Perry Barlow defined pronoia as "the suspicion the Universe is a conspiracy on your behalf".[1] The academic journal "Social Problems" published an article entitled "Pronoia" by Fred H. Goldner in 1982 (vol 30, pp. 82–91). It received a good deal of publicity at the time including references to it in Psychology Today, The New York Daily News, The Wall Street Journal etc. It described a phenomenon that was the opposite from paranoia and provided numerous examples of specific persons who displayed such characteristics.
[...]
The opening paragraphs of the article describe "a new and contagious cultural virus" and refer to pronoia as "the sneaking feeling one has that others are conspiring behind your back to help you".

Possibly a subtle hint? There's also this from the session:
Quote from: C's
You see, there are those who would seek to block or harm you, and those who stand guard in an energetic sense which is close to the limit of permitted assistance at this point, though that may change along with conditions.

Help is on the way?

Wow, that is a very interesting connection. It also seems to me to be a hint that the only way through this will be to trust in the Universe, and let go of the paranoia attitude of 3d thinking. A small dose of Pronoia often helps when making difficult or scary choices. "When you begin to separate limiting emotions based on assumptions from emotions that open one to unlimited possibilities, that means you are preparing for the next density."

Very interesting approach.
Also, Pronoia in greek is translated as :
- Divine Providence
- providence (planning ahead)
- prudence
- anticipation (intuition)
(_http://www.wordreference.com/gren/%CF%80%CF%81%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%BF%CE%B9%CE%B1)

And defined as :
"The diligence existing in advance for covering needs/necessities or dealing with danger."
(_http://el.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CF%80%CF%81%CF%8C%CE%BD%CE%BF%CE%B9%CE%B1)
This link is in Greek but I'm adding it for reference, translation of the definition is mine.

So, I'm thinking Pronoia/Providence/Preparedness.. question list! Hmm :)
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: ajseph 21 on March 25, 2013, 01:41:44 AM
Maybe this mormon interpretation can shed some light on the ten virgins: "This was not selfishness or unkindness. The kind of oil that is needed to illuminate the way and light up the darkness is not shareable. How can one share obedience to the principle of tithing; a mind at peace from righteous living; an accumulation of knowledge? How can one share faith or testimony? How can one share attitudes or chastity.... Each must obtain that kind of oil for himself.... In the parable, oil can be purchased at the market. In our lives the oil of preparedness is accumulated drop by drop in righteous living. Fasting, family prayer (EE) control of bodily appetites (diet), preaching the gospel(network), studying the scriptures(QFGbook)-each act of dedication and obedience is a drop added to our store. Deeds of kindness, payment of offerings and tithes, chaste thoughts and actions, marriage in the covenant for eternity-these, too, contribute importantly to the oil with which we can at midnight refuel our exhausted lamps.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: MB on March 25, 2013, 01:42:20 AM
...I think to find the real "meat" of that matter, one would have to look further afield than a Judaic context.  Probably in Anatolian or Greek ideas/customs since whatever is "Judaism" seems to have been born of Mesopotamian, Anatolian, and Greek influences...

In poking around some more -- and finding nothing -- one obvious thing jumps out at me. The job or role of the women in the parable may simply have been to light the way for the procession. Isn't that kind of like what we are doing here?
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: SMM on March 25, 2013, 01:45:41 AM
First of all, thank you dearly for the new session  :D

Very interesting remarks in this through & through. The negative electric charge is insightful.

Hello,

Thanks for the new session after 12/21. And the world remained. :P

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A: Yes. But scientists have been blinded by being led by the blind!

Q: (L) Hmm. So you say, "Scientists have been blinded by being led by the blind." Do you mean that...

A: When science is used for killing they have lost their honor and their way. Remember the parable of the talents. The man who was afraid and hid and hoarded? Then when the master came he was cast into darkness with the weepers and wailers. Thus shall it be yet again.

Quite amazing statements. How true they are ...

Spending a lot of time doing Uni work and other such things, when I'm pretty well convinced that the poop is about to hit the fan, feels like I'm living a total lie. Sometimes I think I should just drop out, learn some proper handy real life skills, and really get prepared for tough times and have something substantial to give to others. But then, despite the monotony of Uni and my job, they keep the money coming in. Enough to allow me good food, and books anyway, as well as both being opportunities for self Work.
But mastering difficult life situations is also a good way to gain some strength and experience which could play an important role in the future. A clever time schedule might help in your specific situation. Yes, I fully agree with you that money is important for having sufficient budgets for good and expensive food, living, things like books, you name it.

Studying science-related subjects currently, I find this a real shame...though I'm scarcely surprised. The man who was afraid & hid & hoarded...& thought he knew. But he didn't. Come time he came to some realisation, it was too late.

Apt statements indeed.

Also feel the same in regards to living a lie; spending so much time with studies or other tasks or undertakings. Where such is concerned, I come to think "Where you are is not important. Who you are & what you see is."  I think Sirius raises a good point about them being a way to gain strength & experience  :)

I have trouble being sure or putting my mind to anything sometimes, but what Megan & Keit wrote is intriguing imo:

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You have to bring with you what you need to finish the trip and that you can't buy along the way, or you end up out of gas in the desert (or flying over thick clouds over Los Angeles in a small plane with the gas gauge near empty, as I once experienced). Maybe we need not just gas, but a reserve tank. (Or jerry cans--memories of driving to Alaska on the Alcan.) An extension of built-in capacity. That would require special preparation.

The more I look at this, the more I realize I don't know what I am looking for. This parable has bothered me for a very long time, and it's only getting worse.

  If knowledge is the "oil", they didn't share the "oil" with the foolish. Should there be a point where knowledge should not be shared with others, in a kind of too late to wake up scenario perhaps?

  If viewed in knowledge application, there will come a time that those that have it cannot share it because they have to apply it to themselves in order to survive?

Maybe it has to do with concepts like payment in a Gurgieffian sense, so it can't be really shared by others (and not in the sense that they shouldn't), but has to be done by a person himself.

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‘Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.’ But the wise answered, saying, ‘No, lest there should not be enough for us and you; but go rather to those who sell, and buy for yourselves.’

The same for knowledge, that has to be utilized and then generate energy/light on a personal level.


Q: So, knowledge and light are like the gas for the car, but speed
comes from utilization?
A: Yes.
Q: And utilization means...
A: Knowledge application which generates energy, which, in turn,
generates light.

If level of knowledge has to match the level of being in order to utilize it and become response-able, then sharing it won't do much good. It has to be the result of a personal effort and work.  Like a muscle that has to be built in order to be able to carry something heavier or for a longer period of time. C's mentioned once that knowledge input has to be continuous. And maybe it also has to do with what C's once said about windows of opportunities. And making a wrong choice can lead a person on a different path or cause him to waste time and thus miss the window.

"Knowledge being utilized then generating energy/light on a personal level."
In a sense, give someone all the knowledge that can be transmitted but if its not applied [by choice] when required, what use is it? Along those lines of thinking?
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Kaigen on March 25, 2013, 01:49:21 AM
 :) Thanks all for the very interesting session!
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: FrankM4326754 on March 25, 2013, 01:50:11 AM
Maybe ya'll can formulate some simple progressions of questions about what it really means to be "prepared"?  I promise we'll do another very soon!!!  It's just been hectic around here, one thing after another, and finally the taxes were all done after weeks of accounting data entry.  So now, with the business out of the way, we can try to get back to normal, whatever that is.  In short, another session soon, so let's get some good questions together about what "being prepared" really means.  I have the feeling that it isn't what people usually think.

That sounds great, it's good to hear that stuff is out of the way :) . I have a few, though they could probably be framed more concisely.

Relating to the 'comets being attracted to high-density-lie areas' idea, would it be beneficial for us to move to a certain geographical area together, or at least do this locally, forming lie free zones?.

How are we to survive the rampant psychopathy in this world that has obviously chosen it's own path to oblivion? Will we have to defend ourselves physically? Should we be basically be prepared to die?

Is the approach of the wave going to change our experience of reality, so that, basically, our acceptance of Truth or Lies is much more important than worrying about matters such as food?
P
Will we have an opportunity to help others here, or are we basically trying to prepare an Ark and get the hell out of here, leaving the population to their chosen lessons?

Does being prepared mean to have acquired esoteric knowledge?  (Fairly broad).

Should we be prepared not only with knowledge but also with stockpiling canned goods, if so how much of a stockpile would be adequate?

As mentioned above, would moving together with those who actively participate in this forum be conducive for preparedness of what the near future holds? 
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: ajseph 21 on March 25, 2013, 02:20:30 AM
I've also found a relevant quote from Joseph Campbell "Hero of a thousand faces" regarding marriage; " The mystical marriage with the goddess of the world (virgins?) repesents the hero's mastery of life; for the woman is life, the hero it's knower and master. Also, Every failure to cope with a life situation must be laid in the end to a restriction of consciousness. Wars and temper tantrums are makeshifts of ignorance and regrets are illuminations come too late. The crux of the difficulty lies in the fact that our conscious views of what life ought to be seldom correspond to what life really is." Taking into account the shortsighted foolish virgins, maybe they restricted their consciousness by believing they were prepared. I also see something in the bridegroom not knowing the foolish virgins in that maybe they represent someone who is asleep or the little "i"s.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: BillWvr on March 25, 2013, 02:42:33 AM
Not much there was there
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: gaman on March 25, 2013, 02:44:35 AM
A: When science is used for killing they have lost their honor and their way. Remember the parable of the talents. The man who was afraid and hid and hoarded? Then when the master came he was cast into darkness with the weepers and wailers. Thus shall it be yet again.

I was horrible at the subtle meanings of stories when I took literature classes and I still have to work very hard sometimes to find associations.  This is one of them.  I can't see how the first sentence about science has anything to do with the parable of the talents :huh:  The parable of the talents also never really sank in.  I would have been the one to have buried the guys money to make sure nothing happened to it :(  Any pointers to where I can look to grok this a little better?

A: Close. You see, there are those who would seek to block or harm you, and those who stand guard in an energetic sense which is close to the limit of permitted assistance at this point, though that may change along with conditions.

"limit of permitted assistance at this point" - what does permitted imply here?  Permitted by some individual or groups standards (i.e. STO way of life), or permitted by some force somehow in control, or some "physical" tolerances?  I think I've read something that hinted at this same type of idea in earlier readings here but I can't recall where.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: seek10 on March 25, 2013, 03:25:57 AM
Thank you for sharing the session. As usual enlightening and thought provoking.
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Q: (Belibaste) So if a group of individuals acquires, stores, information that is orthogonal to truth, i.e. lies, will this fact of acquiring information that is orthogonal to truth increase the attraction to meteorites or cometary bodies?

A: Yes

Q: (Belibaste) How does it work?

A: Other realm just mentioned... Gravity waves.
If these things can come from other realms ( 3D parallel or 4D), all these materialistic tracking and countering options  of cosmic intruders are fundamentally flawed.

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Q: (L) Clash point between densities due in part to your presence here... (Belibaste) Is it like when it was said in a previous session, like in New Mexico there were partial transitions between 3rd and 4th densities...

A: Close. You see, there are those who would seek to block or harm you, and those who stand guard in an energetic sense which is close to the limit of permitted assistance at this point, though that may change along with conditions.
I guess they are talking about C's themselves.

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Bubble's iron is pretty high, and there's the possibility she could be afflicted with hemochromatosis, which is what my grandfather had. (Bubbles) You wanted to ask what the significance is of having high iron?

A: Survival under specific circumstances.

Q: (Perceval) So it could be a hereditary thing that was provoked in the past when there was plague.

A: It can also arise spontaneously.

Q: (L) So it's not always genetic? (Ailen) What about these specific circumstances? (Bubbles) Is it like a defense mechanism?

A: Yes.

Q: (Bubbles) A defense against what?

A: Breaching the barriers. Your psyche feels in need of greater defense.
Interesting. ie, once psychic defence is improved, this iron accumulation will also decrease.

Quote
Q: (L) Alright then. So, I guess we say good night because I am really, really tired.

A: See/C you soon!
Interesting comment. I am not sure what it means. Probably things will come to conclusion sooner.


 
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: ajseph 21 on March 25, 2013, 03:47:27 AM
Well I would take the parable of the talents as maybe an authoritarion personality on the part of the scientists. Many scientists may not want to share their talents in more productive fields out of fear of ridicule or becoming poor so they hide them in military applications for easy gain. That fear makes them "bury their talents" within maybe? Burying your talents could mean you lack faith in creation and are asleep. The weeping and wailers could be the regret they feel for not giving back. If we have gifts or talents in this case, they should be invested in the betterment of humanity not its detriment.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Prometeo on March 25, 2013, 03:50:21 AM
So it is happening. I thought this was the best time, I mean the schedules for prophecies were wrong, people on all the world were waiting for some dramatic event, right now most of the population I assume, do not expect to some comet rain to happen, or at least a new plague.

Interesting times indeed.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: TheLostBoy on March 25, 2013, 04:00:53 AM
First of all, a big thank you to Laura, Ark, Belibaste, Perceval, Andromeda, PoB, Ailen, Data, Kniall and Mr. Scott (and anyone else involved) for bringing us this session!  :love:

I have to admit, along with others before me, that I have slouched quite a bit recently in my personal Work. I have allowed some deep dooty to stop me from growing when it could/should have been fertilizer used to enhance my growth. I am glad that this session basically amounted to a small shock for me. Much appreciated!

After reading through this session and the following comments, I read up on the parable of the foolish and wise virgins. I enjoyed reading that parable, and it opened my eyes to the fact that, as Laura pointed out, I've been one of those who were throwing the baby out with the bath water in regards to the bible. I think with the proper perspective it might well be a good idea for me to pick myself up a copy! (If anyone has suggestions on a particular version, I'd like to hear it).

Reading the Virgins parable, paralleled with thinking about what it might mean to be prepared, has had me thinking pretty hard for most of my evening now. A good bit of what I came up with has been posted here already, so I'm just going to quickly paraphrase those thoughts, which are basically as follows:

-Virgins might represent Truth Seekers, 'Work'-ers, or perhaps even those with an individuated Soul. I also thought the idea of the Virgins might parallel the C's comment "those who wish to participate in the future" (or future events/the wedding in the parable).

-Lamps may represent our Souls, 'Frequency Body', or in any case the vessel which is used to generate illumination, which all the virgins had. Oil may be knowledge and/or the Work, basically.
Lamps use oil to increase illumination. Our frequency bodies use knowledge to increase frequency. Without input of ‘oil’/knowledge, the ‘lamp’ does not burn brighter/increase frequency.  In any case, the oil is the principle utilized to generate light.
So the two together might be, 'burning the oil to generate light' = "knowledge application, which generates energy, which, in turn, generates light".

-In the wise not sharing their oil with the foolish, I had the same thoughts ajseph 21's mormon interpretation in that the oil is not something that can be shared even if one should desire to. I also had the thought that if it was something that could be shared, sharing one's prepared/reserve oil might relate to Laura's quote (from Gandalf's sig.-thanks Gandalf!) "Every time you say yes to someone who doesn't deserve it, and go against yourself and what you value the most, you kill a small part of your essence".

-The virgins falling asleep made me think that we as humankind have fallen asleep, and to survive in this world we must play by its rules to one degree or another, thus we must remain asleep as much as necessary for 3d survival.

-The bridegroom appearing in the dark middle of the night with the theme of lamps made me think that the foolish virgins would not be able to illuminate the path/see the way to the wedding. That thought reminded me of "It's not where you are, but who you are and what you see".

-The virgins leaving to buy more oil (do more Work?) but not having enough time to make it back to be allowed entry reminded me of the 1st initiation's "You must pay in advance". Pay in advance because when the call comes there will no longer be enough 'time' to pay any more?


After having all these (and many more fragmented thoughts/connections), I went about sort of re-interpreting the Virgins parable in a way that brought all these thoughts together for myself in a somewhat simpler way. I'll share what I ended up with:

In these times now and to come,
Those Seekers of Truth,
Who wish to participate in future events,
Must pay, pay a lot, pay with ourselves, and
Pay Now, in this moment
For the wait may be long,
And we may become drowsy and fall asleep
Yet the call will come, and awaken us
For bad payers, lazy people, the ill prepared- no hope
Those prepared, who have paid in advance,
Will have the source needed for utilization,
And will light their own way in the dark
To a new life, in union with The Light

I began writing it in regular sentence format, but it became a run-on sentence like no other and I ended up going about it this way. Please don't mind that.


Anways, that about sums up my personal ponderings and thoughts on much of this session. I'll be attempting to come up with some question progressions on what it means to be prepared at another time, but right now my brain is a lil pooped and needs a break!
Thanks again for this session Chateau Crew! And thanks to everyone for the thought-provoking comments!
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: l_autre_d on March 25, 2013, 04:07:36 AM
  If knowledge is the "oil", they didn't share the "oil" with the foolish. Should there be a point where knowledge should not be shared with others, in a kind of too late to wake up scenario perhaps?

  If viewed in knowledge application, there will come a time that those that have it cannot share it because they have to apply it to themselves in order to survive?

Maybe it has to do with concepts like payment in a Gurgieffian sense, so it can't be really shared by others (and not in the sense that they shouldn't), but has to be done by a person himself.

Quote
‘Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.’ But the wise answered, saying, ‘No, lest there should not be enough for us and you; but go rather to those who sell, and buy for yourselves.’

The same for knowledge, that has to be utilized and then generate energy/light on a personal level.


Q: So, knowledge and light are like the gas for the car, but speed
comes from utilization?
A: Yes.
Q: And utilization means...
A: Knowledge application which generates energy, which, in turn,
generates light.

If level of knowledge has to match the level of being in order to utilize it and become response-able, then sharing it won't do much good. It has to be the result of a personal effort and work.  Like a muscle that has to be built in order to be able to carry something heavier or for a longer period of time. C's mentioned once that knowledge input has to be continuous. And maybe it also has to do with what C's once said about windows of opportunities. And making a wrong choice can lead a person on a different path or cause him to waste time and thus miss the window.

I was thinking along this line as well. And, for example, how would one share something like patience ?


...I think to find the real "meat" of that matter, one would have to look further afield than a Judaic context.  Probably in Anatolian or Greek ideas/customs since whatever is "Judaism" seems to have been born of Mesopotamian, Anatolian, and Greek influences...

In poking around some more -- and finding nothing -- one obvious thing jumps out at me. The job or role of the women in the parable may simply have been to light the way for the procession. Isn't that kind of like what we are doing here?

When much younger I used to think the bridegroom represented Jesus, but what if it's the Wave?
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Orange Scorpion on March 25, 2013, 04:13:52 AM
Thanks so much for the interesting session. The comments are also very interesting. Much to ponder.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Lindenlea on March 25, 2013, 05:00:07 AM
Thanks for the great session.  I will have to read it again, and all the comments, when I am back with my own internet system.  Currently racing through an hour of library time :)
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: mocachapeau on March 25, 2013, 05:05:51 AM
Thank you for the session Laura, and crew.

Maybe ya'll can formulate some simple progressions of questions about what it really means to be "prepared"?  I promise we'll do another very soon!!!  It's just been hectic around here, one thing after another, and finally the taxes were all done after weeks of accounting data entry.  So now, with the business out of the way, we can try to get back to normal, whatever that is.  In short, another session soon, so let's get some good questions together about what "being prepared" really means.  I have the feeling that it isn't what people usually think.

This is exactly what I was thinking about after I read the session. 

Like others have expressed here, I don't have a lot of resources for preparing in the 3D way, like stocking up on food, or colloidal silver, or pretty much anything that takes money.  But I always wonder if that is purely 3D thinking, and that "being prepared" has a completely different meaning. 

I think that no matter how much food one stocks up on, it will eventually run out anyway, and we will still be in the same boat.  And others have also expressed that having large stocks of food can simply make you a target for nutjobs that will kill you for it.  Although, having food and supplies that one can use to help others is not such a bad idea. 

My feeling is that "being prepared" has to do with having the right knowledge to get through whatever situation the catastrophe leaves you in, whether you have prepared in a material kind of way, or not.  I think EVERYONE will be faced with the same dilemma - no food, no water, sickness - at some point, no matter what.   The C's have said quite clearly that all of these kinds of preparations are purely 3D thinking, which implies there is something, or some way, that is more important to focus on.

Not believing lies seems to be an important place to start.  I also think that recognizing what is going on around us for what it is, in the midst of all the chaos, may be another important factor.  For example, people will be all around trying to convince us to do one thing or another, and we need to be aware of their intentions, aware of what is the best decision for ourselves, not be taken in by peoples' deceit, or maybe their fear-based choices.

Those were my thoughts, anyway.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: aleana on March 25, 2013, 05:09:13 AM
It is noticeable that the Cassiopaeans cited two parables from the three that constitute chapter 25 of the gospel according to Matthiew (the Ten Virgins (torchbearers?), the talents, Sheep and Goats): _http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_25
My superficial understanding of the parables of the talents and the ten virgins is about using knowledge wisely in order to "fructify" it and be more prepared as in a positive loop. It is interesting that in the parable of the ten virgins there is a door and a certain time for that door to be open. Maybe it is a re-adaptation of a more ancient story from the mystery schools?
In the parable of the sheep and goats there is also a separation that occurs and it is interesting to find the concept of theoxeny we encountered in the Odyssey.

Another great session – thank you!  It was great to find this unexpectedly – have been traveling for a few days and away from the computer, so this was a nice surprise.

During the past couple two weekends, I had the opportunity to be with some old friends and meet some FOTCM members. It was quite refreshing to spend time with people where I could relax and let down some of my strategic enclosure.  Because of this and also because I had some time while driving to reflect, I began to feel a sense that it is time to begin shifting gears.

What occurred to me when I read the parable of the Wise Virgins and considered the idea of preparedness is that in addition to doing the necessary things to prepare physically perhaps it is time to begin to prepare psychologically and spiritually for a very different world? 

A world where we can begin to actually live with others and respond in ways that could have been the natural state of humanity if we had not had to cope with the pathological. I realize that is what we have been trying to do here on the Forum, but wonder if we could somehow begin to learn how to take what we are learning here and apply it more broadly once some of the pathological structures begin to disintegrate.  I don’t by any means think things are going to change overnight, and I may be getting way ahead of things, but perhaps this may be part of the next steps?
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: freesurfer on March 25, 2013, 05:32:55 AM
thank you for this important session Laura and every one
 a lot of things here again..
indeed, I was sure too that the booms of January 25Th was not  "planes exceeding  the barrier sound.. "
our "leaders" and press are really pathetic
anyways we wait the next session.. still thanks
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: wilbas on March 25, 2013, 05:50:23 AM
Thanks for the session. :)
It sometimes feel we are going through 3d with the Damocles sword hanging over our heads. Personally, I'm going through a career transition, and some predictions really take the wind out of my sail. Questions like...should I continue striving for that certificate and the new business knowing what I know, Or should I 'drop out', stock on food and survival gear? :/ Its more like the last days of Atlantis, we are waiting for a signal from our scouts, to migrate to safer land (and activities).

Another question, is the time-line of 2014 closed (as predicted in a 2009 transcript), or we've made different choices collectively since, that delay the...inevitable?
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Pete on March 25, 2013, 05:51:21 AM
Thanks for the session Laura and Crew.   :)
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: IncenDiary on March 25, 2013, 07:25:49 AM
Thanks so much for the new session!
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Laura on March 25, 2013, 07:34:49 AM
Maybe this mormon interpretation can shed some light on the ten virgins: "This was not selfishness or unkindness. The kind of oil that is needed to illuminate the way and light up the darkness is not shareable. How can one share obedience to the principle of tithing; a mind at peace from righteous living; an accumulation of knowledge? How can one share faith or testimony? How can one share attitudes or chastity.... Each must obtain that kind of oil for himself.... In the parable, oil can be purchased at the market. In our lives the oil of preparedness is accumulated drop by drop in righteous living. Fasting, family prayer (EE) control of bodily appetites (diet), preaching the gospel(network), studying the scriptures(QFGbook)-each act of dedication and obedience is a drop added to our store. Deeds of kindness, payment of offerings and tithes, chaste thoughts and actions, marriage in the covenant for eternity-these, too, contribute importantly to the oil with which we can at midnight refuel our exhausted lamps.

I think that the above may be going in the right direction. You have to gather knowledge AND APPLY it and there are a number of ideas we have gathered here:

The idea of STO vs STS
The idea that networking is STO
Since the network is important, one needs to find ways based on knowledge to make and keep it viable.
Networking also includes working through one's programs and establishing mastery over the horse.
Higher level networking includes "connecting chakras".

And, in an interesting way, this issue of the parables mentioned in the session connects directly to Belibaste's questions about "charge" in respect of the earth vis a vis disasters.  It makes me think of the story of Abraham arguing with god/angels about the preservation of Sodom and Gomorrah.  He was asking "if there are 50 men there who are righteous" will you spare the city.  Then he got down to five men... as it turned out, there was only one who was warned to get out of the city.

Those of you who have read our discussion on Theoxeny in the Odyssey thread will know what the issues were.  Also, that this was a concept most clearly exampled in the Odyssey, making it a more Northern source, obviously borrowed by the authors of the Bible. Bruce Louden's discussion of what constituted "righteousness" in the context of the Odyssey is useful to read.

In poking around some more -- and finding nothing -- one obvious thing jumps out at me. The job or role of the women in the parable may simply have been to light the way for the procession. Isn't that kind of like what we are doing here?

See above ideas.  Definitely going in the right direction.  If there is a network that has an aim, as ours does, then participating in the aim - which is providing light for a procession, so to say - is the act of keeping the lamps filled and functional.

Studying science-related subjects currently, I find this a real shame...though I'm scarcely surprised. The man who was afraid & hid & hoarded...& thought he knew. But he didn't. Come time he came to some realisation, it was too late.

I think that when the Cs made the remark about science - comparing it to the parable of the talents - it could be related to the Theoxeny issue mentioned above. The main issue of the Parable of the Talents is "fear that causes one to hoard or hide" specifically. Fear of what?  Well, take a look at this thread:

http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,30861.0.html

...where you find this:

In his book Unsnarling the World-Knot, David Ray Griffin quotes something John Searle wrote: "The deepest motivation of materialism is simply a terror of consciousness" with its "essentially terrifying feature of subjectivity," which most materialists think to be "inconsistent with their conception of what the world must be like." This is in a chapter on wishful- and fearful-thinking, and how it affects a person's worldview. Aside from simply fearing the consequences of the reality of consciousness on one's materialistic assumptions about reality, I think there's something more to it. Just look at the immense amount of ridicule against the intelligent design movement, which is founded on essentially the same principles as Bryant Shiller's 5th Option, that intelligence is the best possible explanation for the origin of the information in the genetic code. The PTB seem very fearful of the ideas that humans are conscious and have free will...


Relating to the 'comets being attracted to high-density-lie areas' idea, would it be beneficial for us to move to a certain geographical area together, or at least do this locally, forming lie free zones?.

That would depend on your circumstances and aim.  Are you doing it out of fear, or to further the aims of the network?


How are we to survive the rampant psychopathy in this world that has obviously chosen it's own path to oblivion?

I think that networking provides many solutions to this question.

Will we have to defend ourselves physically? Should we be basically be prepared to die?

Again, networking can provide many answers. Ultimately, people should not be afraid of dying, but living with awareness and an aim should be the goal. 


Is the approach of the wave going to change our experience of reality, so that, basically, our acceptance of Truth or Lies is much more important than worrying about matters such as food?

Well, we'll have to ask the Cs that one.  For now, I think that the answer in advance of the Wave is "yes". Because acceptance of truth changes you and then, when you are in this new state of awareness, you are better able to figure out what to do in given situations.

Will we have an opportunity to help others here, or are we basically trying to prepare an Ark and get the hell out of here, leaving the population to their chosen lessons?

I think that is backwards.  It seems to me that Nature is going to "take out" the population and those who pay strict attention to reality right and left become the reality of the future while those who do not, are a "dream in the past."

Does being prepared mean to have acquired esoteric knowledge?  (Fairly broad). 

What is "esoteric knowledge"?  What about the basic understandings of this level of reality?

Should we be prepared not only with knowledge but also with stockpiling canned goods, if so how much of a stockpile would be adequate?

Those things come with increased awareness which comes with gathering knowledge and applying it.

As mentioned above, would moving together with those who actively participate in this forum be conducive for preparedness of what the near future holds?

That would depend on a lot of variables, I think. See this for what strikes me as a useful take on the matter:

I've also found a relevant quote from Joseph Campbell "Hero of a thousand faces" regarding marriage; " The mystical marriage with the goddess of the world (virgins?) repesents the hero's mastery of life; for the woman is life, the hero it's knower and master. Also, Every failure to cope with a life situation must be laid in the end to a restriction of consciousness. Wars and temper tantrums are makeshifts of ignorance and regrets are illuminations come too late. The crux of the difficulty lies in the fact that our conscious views of what life ought to be seldom correspond to what life really is." Taking into account the shortsighted foolish virgins, maybe they restricted their consciousness by believing they were prepared. I also see something in the bridegroom not knowing the foolish virgins in that maybe they represent someone who is asleep or the little "i"s.


A: Close. You see, there are those who would seek to block or harm you, and those who stand guard in an energetic sense which is close to the limit of permitted assistance at this point, though that may change along with conditions.

"limit of permitted assistance at this point" - what does permitted imply here?  Permitted by some individual or groups standards (i.e. STO way of life), or permitted by some force somehow in control, or some "physical" tolerances?  I think I've read something that hinted at this same type of idea in earlier readings here but I can't recall where.

It seems to me that "permitted" relates to "is it STO or STS?  Violation of free will?
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Breo on March 25, 2013, 07:47:46 AM
Thank you so much Laura and crew for posting this session and for all the comments of the forum. Very inspiring and thought provoking again and again.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Mariama on March 25, 2013, 08:35:12 AM
Well, plague or no plague I have never been surrounded by so many ill people, and with illnesses that linger for so long as I have been this year. I think that I can safely say that about half (if not more) of my clients have or have had strange "colds" that last forever and several have suffered from the flu. I'm also seeing a lot of respiratory problems and constant coughing amongst people who claim not having gotten ill for years.

I have observed the same thing. People that become ill are ill for a long time or they get a relapse.
These past few weeks I have also felt really tired, as others wrote. I keep almost falling asleep behind the computer. I have been taking a lot of naps. :)

The winds over here are very strong and cold. It somehow keeps me on my toes the whole time.

Thanks for the session and all the thoughts. I don't think that I understand half of it, but I am trying.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Prodigal Son on March 25, 2013, 09:04:50 AM
Thank you Laura and crew, for making this interesting session available so quickly. 

A lot to ponder on, on the meaning of being prepared, of one's place in the orchestra, and of the orchestra getting in tune with life and reality, of applying knowledge gained - 'providing light for a procession'. 
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: wilbas on March 25, 2013, 09:15:56 AM
Thanks for the session. :)
It sometimes feel we are going through 3d with the Damocles sword hanging over our heads. Personally, I'm going through a career transition, and some predictions really take the wind out of my sail. Questions like...should I continue striving for that certificate and the new business knowing what I know, Or should I 'drop out', stock on food and survival gear? :/ Its more like the last days of Atlantis, we are waiting for a signal from our scouts, to migrate to safer land (and activities).

Another question, is the time-line of 2014 closed (as predicted in a 2009 transcript), or we've made different choices collectively since, that delay the...inevitable?

The background to my question is a SOTT article by Laura  - http://www.sott.net/article/241810-How-is-the-World-Going-to-End-in-2012:, where she predicts;

"2012 is the End of the Old world and its possibilities and the beginning of an interregnum of open psychopathic rule that I predict will last about 2 years before the horror of the situation sinks in. After that, life will only be possible for those who are prepared to survive in the real New World and to figure that out, you are on your own now."

which brings us to 2014, same as the C's prediction of something big in 2014 (session 20 June 2009).
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Balberon on March 25, 2013, 09:48:50 AM
I've copied a list of many of the questions that have not been directly addressed or people have shared and/or expanded upon thus far. If some of them were addressed my apologies for any redundancy.

My thoughts are of the following questions.

Is the gathering of the fellowship to commence soon (pooling of resources)? Getting our ducks in a row (physical/mental/spiritual), creating our tribes, grouping(s).

A question I have been having for myself in my own situation is: You have all this information, this knowledge (that I am so blessed by the group, you who've share it) and, what are you (I, myself individually) DOing with it? And these days I'm actually helping and pooling with people immediately at hand to the best of my ability, discussing and preparing to be able to fly or burrow down at the same time. While at the same time stepping away from being such a deathaphobic.

Are the 'badguys' moreso aware of what is to come than the information the group has pooled together and are more prepared for what is in store for humanity? The idea being they have a pooled collection of documented history, with the actual places and times in the past history of civilization(s).

Whitecoat wrote:
Quote
"Or at least being prepared in terms of more than just 3D thinking. In 4th Way there's a substance produced by those working together that can't be produced alone."

Calise wrote:
Quote
"Relating to the 'comets being attracted to high-density-lie areas' idea, would it be beneficial for us to move to a certain geographical area together, or at least do this locally, forming lie free zones?
How are we to survive the rampant psychopathy in this world that has obviously chosen it's own path to oblivion? Will we have to defend ourselves physically? Should we be basically be prepared to die?
Is the approach of the wave going to change our experience of reality, so that, basically, our acceptance of Truth or Lies is much more important than worrying about matters such as food?
Will we have an opportunity to help others here, or are we basically trying to prepare an Ark and get the hell out of here, leaving the population to their chosen lessons?"

Group/C's wrote:
Quote
"31 May 1997
..Q: So, knowledge and light are like the gas for the car, but speed comes from utilization?
A: Yes.
Q: And utilization means...
A: Knowledge application which generates energy, which, in turn, generates light. "

Green_Manalishi:
Quote
"If viewed in knowledge application, there will come a time that those that have it cannot share it because they have to apply it to themselves in order to survive?"

keitwrote:
Quote
"Maybe it has to do with concepts like payment in a Gurgieffian sense, so it can't be really shared by others (and not in the sense that they shouldn't), but has to be done by a person himself.[?]"

"dikiitanetsdoos hi wrote:
Quote
"..In a sense, give someone all the knowledge that can be transmitted but if its not applied [by choice] when required, what use is it?"

"Dugdeep wrote: 
Quote
In regards to preparation, my mind drifted to the other bible parable that was mentioned in this session - the parable of the talents. What strikes me is the use of the term "talent". Back in the day, whenever this parable was actually written, the term was used to denote a weight measurement, often used for currency (or so wikipedia tells me); eg. 'a talent of gold'. So the parable is refering to the servants being given currency. But in the present, the term talent means an aptitude or skill; a gift one was born with or one has developed; something one is good at. So I'm turning over in my mind how one can "use their talents" to multiply them instead of hiding them away. Perhaps it relates to using one's talents in an STO manner, sharing them, spreading them for the benefit of others, versus hording, hiding and using your "talents" only for yourself.."

keit wrote:
Quote
"..maybe it also has to do with what C's once said about windows of opportunities. And making a wrong choice can lead a person on a different path or cause him to waste time and thus miss the window.[?]

ajsef21 wrote:
Quote
"I also see something in the bridegroom not knowing the foolish virgins in that maybe they represent someone who is asleep or the little "i"s."

TheLostBoy wrote:
Quote
"In these times now and to come,
Those Seekers of Truth,
Who wish to participate in future events,
Must pay, pay a lot, pay with ourselves, and
Pay Now, in this moment
For the wait may be long,
And we may become drowsy and fall asleep
Yet the call will come, and awaken us
For bad payers, lazy people, the ill prepared- no hope
Those prepared, who have paid in advance,
Will have the source needed for utilization,
And will light their own way in the dark
To a new life, in union with The Light"

 l_autre_d wrote:
Quote
"..how would one share something like patience ?"

"mocachapeau wrote:
Quote
"..recognizing what is going on around us for what it is, in the midst of all the chaos, may be another important factor.  For example, people will be all around trying to convince us to do one thing or another, and we need to be aware of their intentions, aware of what is the best decision for ourselves, not be taken in by peoples' deceit, or maybe their fear-based choices."

aleana wrote:
Quote
"What occurred to me when I read the parable of the Wise Virgins and considered the idea of preparedness is that in addition to doing the necessary things to prepare physically perhaps it is time to begin to prepare psychologically and spiritually for a very different world?

I.. wonder if we could somehow begin to learn how to take what we are learning here and apply it more broadly once some of the pathological structures begin to disintegrate.  I don’t by any means think things are going to change overnight, and I may be getting way ahead of things, but perhaps this may be part of the next steps?"
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Forrestdeva on March 25, 2013, 10:12:25 AM

Having recovered recently from Pneumonia and having two near death experiences associated with it, it dawned on me that all I've done to "prepare" had been all 3D thinking, based on fear. Walked out of the pantry one day thinking this energy spent in acquiring all this food is worthless. Knowing now that what matters is that every part of my being on every level must be aligned to STO, even though I know we are all STS here, but for future, so that we can graduate to 4D and be STO. In the parable  the Virgins made a choice, not to fill their lamps, some did fill the lamps. In agreement that we need to be aware and in so being we also need to make choices that will matter for us, to have a future.  With ease I could have slipped away, right out of this body. For weeks now I've pondered if I'd be prepared to go to 4D STO.  Action and work are important right up until the end, yes as others have commented here in these post it is surely knowledge, and work are something that has to be decided within each individual, something that can not be given by another.  Remembering what the C's said once about if we did not graduate this time that we'd be like cavemen looking out on a red smoke filled sky. What would a few cans of green beans serve me in such an environment? So perhaps being "prepared' is aligning our selves to STO.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: rymw on March 25, 2013, 10:32:00 AM
Thank you Laura and Team for yet more knowledge through the session and the thought provoking insight from the comments...all of FOTCM are our inspiration to carry on!
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Yas on March 25, 2013, 10:49:04 AM

As I recall, 10 "virgins" is probably referring to 10 young women -- servants perhaps? -- and evidently with a definite role or job to perform. Half of them weren't doing their jobs, and got fired. Hmmm.

There is a cultural context for this story -- weddings, lamps, virgins -- but when I try Googling it I come up with mounds of rubbish "spiritual" interpretations instead. Does anybody have more information? What exactly was their job?

I think to find the real "meat" of that matter, one would have to look further afield than a Judaic context.  Probably in Anatolian or Greek ideas/customs since whatever is "Judaism" seems to have been born of Mesopotamian, Anatolian, and Greek influences.

One thing that occurred to me as I was reading other responses was this:

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31 May 1997


Q:  Do these divisions of consciousness grow and change?
A: Yes.
Q: And they grow and change through acquiring knowledge, is that
correct?
A: Basically.
Q:  And acquiring knowledge is akin to acquiring energy? Or light?
Light energy?
A: Not exactly.  That would be like saying that "filling up" at the
gas station is akin to acquiring speed.
Q: So, knowledge and light are like the gas for the car, but speed
comes from utilization?
A: Yes.
Q: And utilization means...
A: Knowledge application which generates energy, which, in turn,
generates light.

Maybe this mormon interpretation can shed some light on the ten virgins: "This was not selfishness or unkindness. The kind of oil that is needed to illuminate the way and light up the darkness is not shareable. How can one share obedience to the principle of tithing; a mind at peace from righteous living; an accumulation of knowledge? How can one share faith or testimony? How can one share attitudes or chastity.... Each must obtain that kind of oil for himself.... In the parable, oil can be purchased at the market. In our lives the oil of preparedness is accumulated drop by drop in righteous living. Fasting, family prayer (EE) control of bodily appetites (diet), preaching the gospel(network), studying the scriptures(QFGbook)-each act of dedication and obedience is a drop added to our store. Deeds of kindness, payment of offerings and tithes, chaste thoughts and actions, marriage in the covenant for eternity-these, too, contribute importantly to the oil with which we can at midnight refuel our exhausted lamps.

It is noticeable that the Cassiopaeans cited two parables from the three that constitute chapter 25 of the gospel according to Matthiew (the Ten Virgins (torchbearers?), the talents, Sheep and Goats): _http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_25
My superficial understanding of the parables of the talents and the ten virgins is about using knowledge wisely in order to "fructify" it and be more prepared as in a positive loop. It is interesting that in the parable of the ten virgins there is a door and a certain time for that door to be open. Maybe it is a re-adaptation of a more ancient story from the mystery schools?
In the parable of the sheep and goats there is also a separation that occurs and it is interesting to find the concept of theoxeny we encountered in the Odyssey.

  If knowledge is the "oil", they didn't share the "oil" with the foolish. Should there be a point where knowledge should not be shared with others, in a kind of too late to wake up scenario perhaps?

  If viewed in knowledge application, there will come a time that those that have it cannot share it because they have to apply it to themselves in order to survive?

Maybe it has to do with concepts like payment in a Gurgieffian sense, so it can't be really shared by others (and not in the sense that they shouldn't), but has to be done by a person himself.

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‘Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.’ But the wise answered, saying, ‘No, lest there should not be enough for us and you; but go rather to those who sell, and buy for yourselves.’

The same for knowledge, that has to be utilized and then generate energy/light on a personal level.


Q: So, knowledge and light are like the gas for the car, but speed
comes from utilization?
A: Yes.
Q: And utilization means...
A: Knowledge application which generates energy, which, in turn,
generates light.

If level of knowledge has to match the level of being in order to utilize it and become response-able, then sharing it won't do much good. It has to be the result of a personal effort and work.  Like a muscle that has to be built in order to be able to carry something heavier or for a longer period of time. C's mentioned once that knowledge input has to be continuous. And maybe it also has to do with what C's once said about windows of opportunities. And making a wrong choice can lead a person on a different path or cause him to waste time and thus miss the window.


My mind goes in that direction as well... If it is knowledge application, there's no recipe for all, as it depends on who you are and what you can see, so it depends a lot in what we do to apply this knowledge and that will depend a lot in our particular circumstances, OSIT Something like "the cards are given" and knowledge application will be to know what to do with them...

Of course there are some guidelines as Laura and others mentioned, like The Work, which means networking, observing one's self, gathering (AND applying) knowledge of our own reality and where we are standing as parts of the whole... etc..

I also thought about the connection of Diet and EE to the oil, but I think there's much more to it... Maybe it means to be prepared in a lot of senses, so we have to look to different aspects, physical, psychological and spiritual. Which is again... THE WORK...

Another thing that came to my mind is what Martha Stout says about trauma... That we are more likely to suffer trauma or shock when are we exposed to events which we don't expect or which think that can't be possible, because it gets in complete conflict with our worldview.... Soooo, the more we know about ourselves, the world and its connection to the cosmos, and what can happen (being open to different possibilities)... the more we can see and understand, the more we will be 'protected' by the "light of this knowledge", that will make us less likely to be in shock and, therefore, to act consciously in whatever conditions we might be in, i.e. to be prepared

Just some thoughts, FWIW

Thanks a lot for the session and for posting it so fast!  :flowers:   

I've also been thinking a lot of preparedness lately, wondering about what my actions should be considering the times we're living in...

Very interesting comments as well... a lot to think on...  :cool2:
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Konstantin on March 25, 2013, 11:16:49 AM
Thanks for the session.
In context on the metaphor about the virgins and the expression the 5d city on the hill i was thinking about this:

This is from Wikipedia:
City upon a Hill
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_upon_a_Hill

"A Shining City on a Hill". Reagan's impromptu concession speech at the 1976 Republican National Convention has been called a "defining moment of the Reagan Revolution."
A City upon a Hill is a phrase from the parable of Salt and Light in Jesus' Sermon on the Mount. In Matthew 5:14, he tells his listeners, "You are the light of the world. A city that is set on a hill cannot be hidden." It has become popular with American politicians. The term is also influenced by Plato's Republic and the concept of the "good city" - a city-state governed by philosopher kings.


Now here is some text from that gospel of Matthew 5:13-16

13 Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost its savor, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out and trodden under foot of men.
14 Ye are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hid.
15 Neither do [men] light a lamp, and put it under the bushel, but on the stand; and it shineth unto all that are in the house.
16 Even so let your light shine before men; that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father who is in heaven.


The light from the lamps of vigins. The oil is knowledge.To be prepared could mean to be prepared with the right knowledge so it can last through the " dark" . You can offer and "sell" knowledge but somebody must open the eyes and ears and heart to see, hear and feel what is true knowledge and then " buy " it . Especially today when everithing is full with all that false science.

I really don t have any specific idea. This is just a clue. The light from the lamps of the virgins and this bible text. 5D may also means the 5-th Density which is the recycle density. 5D City on the hill.  Still no specific idea. English is not my firs Language so it’s more difficult for me to express some my idea. I don’t know if I’m on the right track. Just some of my thoughts that come to my mind while I was reading last session and discussion 
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: 7777 on March 25, 2013, 11:18:00 AM
I found that concept of Pronoia very interesting Dugdeep.

Back in 1997, I had some strange experiences diagnosed as “drug-induced psychosis” and ended up spending a couple of months in a psych ward.

I had paranoid feelings, e.g. that the French were after me, but also what I think I could be called “pronoic” feelings, such as feeling that two people sitting on a seat outside the window were presently engaged in helping me, or a man walking down the other side of the street, or just standing still nearby, was "on my side" and some kind of help or sympathetic exchange was taking place. Sometimes the pronoic feelings seemed to be justified by specific actual events, e.g. a cryptic comment made to me by a passerby, or a poster put up on a street corner in a city I was visiting with a message intended just for me.

It was a very strange time, with a mixture of apocalyptic feelings, and a sense of elation, as if one were 8 feet tall; and a sense of “liberation”, as if one had realized that something like language itself was the root of human error.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Álvaro on March 25, 2013, 12:17:13 PM
Thanks for sharing the session!
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Prodigal Son on March 25, 2013, 12:19:44 PM
Whilst re-reading part of Comets and the Horns of Moses, I came across this quote from Heraclitus:

‘Much learning does not teach understanding; … this one thing is wisdom, to understand thought, as that which guides the world everywhere.’ 

Followed by comments of Laura:

‘… possibly a multi-layered remark. … man and nature do not attract what they want, but what they are; the souls attracts what it harbors in secret.’

This is in line with Windmill Knight’s post, paraphrasing,
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of applying knowledge in a spiritual way mainly – spiritual understanding as the bridge to the future.
  And of the idea of attaining the correct attitude of mind – personal moral effort and abiding by dignity and virtue, fundamental sincerity and honesty, and of standing up for what’s right.  As in asjeph 21’s post:
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… Deeds of kindness, payment of offerings and tithes, chaste thoughts and actions, ….
Followed by Laura’s post
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… You have to gather knowledge and AND APPLY it …

These are my thoughts on ‘being prepared’, of attaining the correct attitude of mind for whatever the future may bring. 
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: sitting on March 25, 2013, 12:49:15 PM

A: Close. You see, there are those who would seek to block or harm you, and those who stand guard in an energetic sense which is close to the limit of permitted assistance at this point, though that may change along with conditions.


Comforting to know the playing field is being leveled.  I also take that to mean at some deeper level, the intensification of our weather chaos simply reflects intensification of higher density conflict.  And in a strange way, it lessen my anxiety towards these happenings.  It's a good fight going on, and I ought to conduct myself in a useful manner. 
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: sitting on March 25, 2013, 12:54:56 PM
And thank you for posting this session.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: SovereignDove on March 25, 2013, 12:56:39 PM
Thank you for sharing this interesting session so quickly!
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: yan on March 25, 2013, 01:08:27 PM
Thanks for the session !
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: adam7117 on March 25, 2013, 01:17:17 PM
Amazing session! Thank you for posting the transcripts - certainly, veritable food for thought. I'm still pondering on it - having discovered the update in the morning...  Both parables are very relevant and poignant, particularly since some unexpected visitors are about to make an appearance.

I just don't know what to say. Any sort of rush decision would likely be ill-advised and yet preparation is necessary. As is sharing (or growing) of the talents - although in this case, as a way to contribute individual abilities as well as financially to the common goal. Certainly, application of knowledge would be a part of the preparation. I found myself in agreement with what's already been said on the topic of oil lamps.

This session is just wow. Lots to think about.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Eboard10 on March 25, 2013, 01:32:16 PM
Another interesting session. Thanks Laura and Crew!

  If knowledge is the "oil", they didn't share the "oil" with the foolish. Should there be a point where knowledge should not be shared with others, in a kind of too late to wake up scenario perhaps?

  If viewed in knowledge application, there will come a time that those that have it cannot share it because they have to apply it to themselves in order to survive?

Maybe it has to do with concepts like payment in a Gurgieffian sense, so it can't be really shared by others (and not in the sense that they shouldn't), but has to be done by a person himself.

Quote
‘Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.’ But the wise answered, saying, ‘No, lest there should not be enough for us and you; but go rather to those who sell, and buy for yourselves.’

The same for knowledge, that has to be utilized and then generate energy/light on a personal level.


Q: So, knowledge and light are like the gas for the car, but speed
comes from utilization?
A: Yes.
Q: And utilization means...
A: Knowledge application which generates energy, which, in turn,
generates light.

If level of knowledge has to match the level of being in order to utilize it and become response-able, then sharing it won't do much good. It has to be the result of a personal effort and work.  Like a muscle that has to be built in order to be able to carry something heavier or for a longer period of time. C's mentioned once that knowledge input has to be continuous. And maybe it also has to do with what C's once said about windows of opportunities. And making a wrong choice can lead a person on a different path or cause him to waste time and thus miss the window.

I'm also of the opinion that the Cs remark on the wise virgins has less to do with physical preparedness and more with the spiritual one. The fire from the lamp could represent the attainment of what Gurdjeff termed the magnetic center. This is something that cannot be shared with others but has to be obtained by the individual by doing the Work.

From the Cassiopaea Glossary:
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In 4th Way discourse, this is a function in man which is formed as esoteric work proceeds beyond exterior, sleeping man. This function guides this development while itself being formed and strengthened by this development. The magnetic center is the seat of discernment between influences which lead to esoteric development and those which lead to the outer world. Man 1, 2 and 3 live in a constantly shifting anarchy of centers. Man 4, one who has formed a stable magnetic center, has brought the functions of body, feeling and thinking into relative harmony and uses these for purposes of conscious work under the direction of the magnetic center. If man is compared to a house full of servants who constantly quarrel about the run of the house, then the magnetic center can be seen as a group of servants who begin to set the house in order in preparation for the arrival of the owner of the house. The magnetic center eventually becomes a steward who runs the house in the absence of the master. Only then can the master, i.e. the real I take possession of the house. Forming a steward or magnetic center is a necessary intermediate stage in reaching for 4th Way development.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Ko smo on March 25, 2013, 01:33:51 PM
At last new session has arrived  :D :D :D
i have been waiting for this one long time and reading every Day and now session comes and covers most of the things that I have read.

First part is about the weather and changes. We have strange weather every Day and temperature goes up and down every Day and now we have rain all time for few days now.

Q: (L) Well, thanks a lot! (Ailen) That's a nice way of saying, "No dice!" (L) Okay, as you know, we had a wonderful little exploding comet fragment out there in Russia that did some serious damage and injured lots of people. I'm not glad that it injured lots of people, but I just think it was pretty interesting that this happened like within three days of our new book "Comets and The Horns of Moses" being released in hardcopy. So, I guess the first question is: Anything to tell us about the exploding comet fragment, or whatever they wanna call it? It could have an asteroid, or it could have a comet fragment, or whatever?

A: Denatured comet but who's counting?

Q: (L) Okay. Is that all you're gonna say?

A: Just wait for the next one! That one will be a doozie! And it has "friends!"


And now reading it you can make parallel with the comets and all other astrological bodies outside and around us! It is also funny that as this was nothing we are we will have a quite a blast   :) :) panic will take an large part so maybe when they say be prepaired is to see that you face something with peace in you and apply the learned knowledge?? For exp taking care of your diet, meditating and connecting all that you see with all you have read to apply best way to go ahead??

At the end when I read about the virgins I had some kind of ( do not know how to say it ) but knowledge about this story like I read it or just knew it, even could see images in my head of that story.
But I do not recall ever reading it or knowing about it.
Fist I had an idea similar to ones in commnets " why did not they share it "?? but when I tough about it it has sense as they should have been ready for this and so they were sent to "buy" it. That is wait new chance to apply knowledge that was given to them. It seems that some people learn only if they see mistakes that they have done. So next time this 5 virgins maybe will ready and bring their own oil. This could be same with those who are not ready they will take new tour and start from "the start". Could this be an idea???
As you can read you can learn you can do everything that you think is good and that you will make progress but if your soul is not ready you will stay and learn more as you need to apply all this on correct way not only take the "lamp" and say OK I have an lamp I have been sent there and this is it. You need to use you knowledge as we can easily be tricked ...

Remember always that 4D STS is an higher level which see more that us and can use all needed to take you to wrong path!!

I wanted to wright more but I got lost on the way  :huh: :huh: so I will end this and thank to all doing this working and sharing it with us!!! THANK YOU!!!!!!

all the best

KO SMO?!


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Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Zadius Sky on March 25, 2013, 02:18:16 PM
(Meant to post this earlier)

Thanks for sharing the latest prodigious session. Very interesting!

Q: (L) From outside the solar system... From the universe?

A: Yes. But scientists have been blinded by being led by the blind!

Q: (L) Hmm. So you say, "Scientists have been blinded by being led by the blind." Do you mean that...

A: When science is used for killing they have lost their honor and their way. Remember the parable of the talents. The man who was afraid and hid and hoarded? Then when the master came he was cast into darkness with the weepers and wailers. Thus shall it be yet again.

It's interesting how they mentioned "Parable of the Talents" again which I've read up a while ago, especially in Matthew, which takes place after "The Parable of the Ten Virgins." Matthew 25:13 (the link in-between) said, "therefore stay alert, because you do not know the day or the hour."

The former parable deals with the outcome of "faithful" service and "unfaithful" service that leads to increased responsibilities to others or being cast into darkness. Being faithful is to take risks and giving up what one had while being unfaithful is to live in fear and hid what one had (that fear was a result of ignorance, no knowledge was applied).

A: Those who wish to participate in the future should "be prepared" like the wise virgins.

After reading this parable, a lot of possibilities came to mind. Of course, naturally, the "lamp" represent a light, awareness, knowledge with an "extra oil" being referred to extra effort or attitude (this could also be "knowledge application"). It felt as if the "foolish" virgins were running on "assumptions" since they weren't prepared for the bridegroom to be delayed while the wise virgins left open a door of possibility of him being delayed and thus prepared. I just found it interesting that in the end, he said, "I do not know you." This immediately came to mind of being a "dream of the 'past"" when one is not paying attention to objective reality. The wise virgins are the one who paid attention and became "the reality of the 'Future'" as if the universe "recognized" them for their efforts and be rewarded, so to speak.

I just got an image of comets hitting those "target" spots where ignorance reign which attract those comets while those of knowledge-informed "deflect" them naturally.

My .02 cent on that.

Quote from: C's
A: Yes. Please put all former clues together for ballpark figure, keeping in mind that the universe is open thus there will always be variables.

Q: (L) Okay. (Andromeda) Past comet streams? (L) So in other words, if we factor in what we know from the science of, say, Victor Clube and Bill Napier, plus observations we make, plus historical records, etc. and signs, we can figure out that something is probably fairly imminent. That would be my best guess. My thought is that if we don't get a plague from this one that exploded over Russia, we will from the next one. That's my best guess.

A: Good guess!

We also have the "5D city on the hill" previous clue to keep in mind.  With the number of fireballs over the northeast this last month, one wonders...

That occurs to me as well.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: LMJ on March 25, 2013, 02:53:14 PM
Well I would take the parable of the talents as maybe an authoritarion personality on the part of the scientists. Many scientists may not want to share their talents in more productive fields out of fear of ridicule or becoming poor so they hide them in military applications for easy gain. That fear makes them "bury their talents" within maybe? Burying your talents could mean you lack faith in creation and are asleep. The weeping and wailers could be the regret they feel for not giving back. If we have gifts or talents in this case, they should be invested in the betterment of humanity not its detriment.

Exactly what I was thinking upon reading that...the recent Dot Connector magazine came to mind: The Corruption of Science and the article Science Under Attack.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: happyliza on March 25, 2013, 02:56:02 PM
I didn't realize, until my mum just told me, that the accident outside the chateau was all over the msm.  Everyone was discussing the bizarreness of it all, and no-one could come up with any answers.  Well we have now - thanks to the C's. Also good to know that you have special protection - not surprised there really.  Strange? that there are many mysterious/unsolved road accidents but this one is picked up for all it is worth - though it did have us all very confused!  Also the ghost seemed to be depicted as real, unless mum heard it wrongly.

Attached is an unusual storm in North Cyprus on Friday. They have now named it Hilary. Temperatures were around 24 degrees before that knocking water tanks off houses, electicity lines down and trees etc.  Nowhere is not affected nowadays.

Not a good time for me to be low on iron it seems!  More tests today will update my thread.  Incredible answer re high iron happening spontaneously!  And comets being 'directed' towards negative energies.  Much we do not know about our Universe.

Also a good time to revisit the Laws of 3 and 7!  (especially the intervals). The Macrocosm as well as the Microcosm.

Thank you everyone for such an instructive session. Interesting times.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: dant on March 25, 2013, 03:38:47 PM
Thank you for this session, Laura and team!
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Lilou on March 25, 2013, 04:18:55 PM
Thanks for sharing the new session.   :)
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: JayMark on March 25, 2013, 04:34:33 PM
Thanks for the great session Laura and team!

I didn't expect it to come so fast.

Now this is some great food for thoughts.

Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: MB on March 25, 2013, 04:36:23 PM
I should add a little more about what I learned about ancient wedding ceremonies. While I didn't find any specific tradition that matched the parable, there evidently were traditions that included the groom arriving at the bride's home at an unannounced time of the evening, and the bridal party then escorting the bride to the groom's home. Light would be needed for the journey; hence the lamps.

I say "evidently" because I can't, with the amount of time I have spent on it, validate the sources of information and there is a strong tendency among "eisegetes" to take the words of the Bible as fact and then use them to "derive" history.

But nevertheless, the above pattern appears to be repeated in some form in enough different cultures for me to think that it really existed, and to wonder how it might relate to esoteric symbols involving the "bride and groom." I seem to remember these symbols being discussed by Freke and Gandy, although it has been so many years since I read them that I am not sure (and my copy is in storage).

In any event, it seems to me that there is both a cultural and an esoteric context for the parable. The primary symbols, while not emphasized so much in the story, would seem to be the bride and groom.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Mark on March 25, 2013, 04:40:06 PM
Quote from: Acid Yazz
My mind goes in that direction as well... If it is knowledge application, there's no recipe for all, as it depends on who you are and what you can see, so it depends a lot in what we do to apply this knowledge and that will depend a lot in our particular circumstances, OSIT Something like "the cards are given" and knowledge application will be to know what to do with them...

Of course there are some guidelines as Laura and others mentioned, like The Work, which means networking, observing one's self, gathering (AND applying) knowledge of our own reality and where we are standing as parts of the whole... etc..

I also thought about the connection of Diet and EE to the oil, but I think there's much more to it... Maybe it means to be prepared in a lot of senses, so we have to look to different aspects, physical, psychological and spiritual. Which is again... THE WORK...

Another thing that came to my mind is what Martha Stout says about trauma... That we are more likely to suffer trauma or shock when are we exposed to events which we don't expect or which think that can't be possible, because it gets in complete conflict with our worldview.... Soooo, the more we know about ourselves, the world and its connection to the cosmos, and what can happen (being open to different possibilities)... the more we can see and understand, the more we will be 'protected' by the "light of this knowledge", that will make us less likely to be in shock and, therefore, to act consciously in whatever conditions we might be in, i.e. to be prepared

It is probably simply prudent to stock up on food and water and other supplies for the effects of the approaching wave. Yet being prepared mentally and spiritually hints at something more. Laura mentioned networking and sharing a common aim. EE and the POTS will be helpful as well I would think.

I am wondering if we should make any distinction between preparations for the effects created by the coming of the wave, as opposed to the arrival of the wave - which the C's compared to a nuclear blast. Networking gathers knowledge, utilizing knowledge creates light. Could this be like a modern day Eleusinain Mystery?

There is a saying attributed to Jesus that goes something like: He who falls on the rock will be broken, but he who the rock falls on will be ground to powder.

Having an idea about the coming changes, accepting that life will either soon end or change radically, letting go, helping to create and spread light to see into the darkness, or future...

Just throwing some ideas out, fwiw.

Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Crystal clear on March 25, 2013, 04:59:02 PM
Thanx laura for this great session!!...i was waiting and thinking about when will u bring C's session again during these crucial time of this year....i got what i wished for....thank u!!
In my view, i think they want us to prepare for the upcoming wave by utilizing information and clue they have given...We all need to focus on the wave and not the meteorite, as they have said...If we focus on the meteorite we will be thinking 3dsts  in terms of survival with fear ...which will divert our mind to stock up food water....only knowledge protects us!!
Basically, we need to raise our vibration with increased awareness and knowledge in order to anchor approaching wave...we need to have psychic hygiene relating to our diet and spiritual learning and exercise for psychic defense..
before the wave arrives we need to wake up now for the signs are everywhere...otherwise it would be too late..we will be in dark...
i really want to ask the C's what will wave do to us when it arrives??..
Ive been busy lately...these session have woke me up to do something about it to act now....  :)!!
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: lux on March 25, 2013, 05:22:30 PM
At the end of November, I put on my facebook wall the article "Extreme weather preceded collapse of Maya civilization". Due to the approaching "end of the world" - this 21 December nonsense. I decided to add to this article a little comment while sharing this, something wise and encouraging. This article was translated into polish. I add this exception from the bible about virgins, because I thought that this quote fits to the people.

I had on my mind certain friends who due to my activity on facebook had a opportunity get to know about EE, diet and more. As far as I know them, as far as I had a chance to discuss with them about it. They are theoretically confident about equity and efficiency of these practices and knowledge but they don’t really apply it.

It’s like they suffer from a “disease” called “tomorrow”. They are delaying with start working on themselves even if they know that certain things they need to fix, because of they sense that they have a time yet to do this. They are delaying with regular practice of EE, because, they have a sense that they are enough controlling their lives, even if they know that it's not the same if they do EE, that practicing EE would greatly improved their lives. So it is with diet and more. Something like “I will do this tomorrow”. But day after day passed and nothing has significantly changed in their lives.

If they won’t realize that it’s important to ACT, and act NOW, as do this wise virgins, they find themselves in the situation of foolish virgins. This is basically about “knowledge application”, what has been hinted at in this topic. But due to coincidence with me, I felt obliged to add my two cents and picture it.

For the reminder, from the Shane’s post, thanks Shane.

Here's the parable of the wise and foolish virgins:

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“Then the kingdom of heaven shall be likened to ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom.  Now five of them were wise, and five were foolish. Those who were foolish took their lamps and took no oil with them, but the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. But while the bridegroom was delayed, they all slumbered and slept.

“And at midnight a cry was heard: ‘Behold, the bridegroom is coming; go out to meet him!’ Then all those virgins arose and trimmed their lamps. And the foolish said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.’ But the wise answered, saying, ‘No, lest there should not be enough for us and you; but go rather to those who sell, and buy for yourselves.’ And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the wedding; and the door was shut.

“Afterward the other virgins came also, saying, ‘Lord, Lord, open to us!’ But he answered and said, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, I do not know you.’

“Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour in which the Son of Man is coming.

Since I found and thought about it. Now, for instance, when I want to do EE and if laziness or fatigue stops me, when come to my mind thinking about that I can do it tomorrow, because tomorrow is another day, because I still have time, then I reproach myself. Do you want to be like the wise virgins or foolish? If you want to act like the wise virgins, do it now. Do not hesitate, do not hang up, do not give up and don't leave the path, and don't leave your life for "later".

I suppose that it is what C's want to tell. And I think if you want to "be prepared" I think you would better take it to your mind and heart.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Kinyash on March 25, 2013, 05:55:29 PM
Another great Session. Even though the C's were relatively brief, their answers operate on many levels. I found this analysis by Dugdeep especially insightful:


Also, this struck me as interesting:

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Q: (L) We forgot to ask who's with us tonight!

A: Pronoia.

Q: (L) And where do you transmit from?

A: Cassiopaea.

Quote from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pronoia_%28psychology%29
Pronoia is a neologism that is defined as the opposite state of mind as paranoia: having the sense that there is a conspiracy that exists to help the person. It is also used to describe a philosophy that the world is set up to secretly benefit people.

The writer and Electronic Frontier Foundation co-founder John Perry Barlow defined pronoia as "the suspicion the Universe is a conspiracy on your behalf".[1] The academic journal "Social Problems" published an article entitled "Pronoia" by Fred H. Goldner in 1982 (vol 30, pp. 82–91). It received a good deal of publicity at the time including references to it in Psychology Today, The New York Daily News, The Wall Street Journal etc. It described a phenomenon that was the opposite from paranoia and provided numerous examples of specific persons who displayed such characteristics.
[...]
The opening paragraphs of the article describe "a new and contagious cultural virus" and refer to pronoia as "the sneaking feeling one has that others are conspiring behind your back to help you".

This was certainly an important message for me. With the coming changes, it can be difficult to maintain one's calm and slip into paranoia. The better option is Pronia!

Networking is invaluable. Thanks all for your insights.

Kinyash
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: tschai on March 25, 2013, 06:17:24 PM
Another interesting and inspiring session with lots of input from other readers. The bit about negativity / lies attracting inbound cometary bombardment is especially eye opening...I wonder if the movie "Olympus Has Fallen" is a sixth density metaphor for Washington DC being in the "strike" zone for one of these "doozies"? Be like the PTB to claim it a nuke launched by some "terrorist" faction to continue their perpetual war

Thanks Laura and all for all your very hard work!
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Gaby on March 25, 2013, 06:56:50 PM
The background to my question is a SOTT article by Laura  - http://www.sott.net/article/241810-How-is-the-World-Going-to-End-in-2012:, where she predicts;

"2012 is the End of the Old world and its possibilities and the beginning of an interregnum of open psychopathic rule that I predict will last about 2 years before the horror of the situation sinks in. After that, life will only be possible for those who are prepared to survive in the real New World and to figure that out, you are on your own now."

which brings us to 2014, same as the C's prediction of something big in 2014 (session 20 June 2009).

The "preparation" word reminded me of that famous quote from Castaneda:

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"If the predators don't eat our glowing coat of awareness for a while, it'll keep on growing. Simplifying this matter to the extreme, I can say that sorcerers, by means of their discipline, push the predators away long enough to allow their glowing coat of awareness to grow beyond the level of the toes. Once it goes beyond the level of the toes, it grows back to its natural size. The sorcerers of ancient Mexico used to say that the glowing coat of awareness is like a tree. If it is not pruned, it grows to its natural size and volume. As awareness reaches levels higher than the toes, tremendous maneuvers of perception become a matter of course.
The grand trick of those sorcerers of ancient times was to burden the flyers mind with discipline. They found out that if they taxed the flyers' mind with inner silence, the foreign installation would flee, giving to any one of the practitioners involved in this maneuver the total certainty of the mind's foreign origin. The foreign installation comes back, I assure you, but not as strong, and a process begins in which the fleeing of the flyers' mind becomes routine, until one day if flees permanently. A sad day indeed! That's the day when you have to rely on your own devices, which are nearly zero. There's no one to tell you what to do. There's no mind of foreign origin to dictate the imbecilities you're accustomed to. This is the toughest day in a sorcerer's life, for the real mind that belongs to us, the sum total of our experience, after a lifetime of domination has been rendered shy, insecure, and shifty. Personally, I would say that the real battle of sorcerers begins at that moment. The rest is merely preparation.

Discipline taxes the foreign mind no end. So, through their discipline, sorcerers vanquish the foreign installation. The flyers' mind flees forever when a sorcerer succeeds in grabbing on to the vibrating force that holds us together as a conglomerate of energy fields. If a sorcerer maintains that pressure long enough, the flyers' mind flees in defeat.
When one is torn by internal struggle, it is because down in the depths one knows that one is incapable of refusing the agreement that an indispensable part of the self, the glowing coat of awareness, is going to serve as an incomprehensible source of nourishment to incomprehensible entities. And, another part of one will stand against this situation with all its might.

The sorcerers' revolution is that they refuse to honor agreements in which they did not participate. Nobody ever asked me if I would consent to be eaten by beings of a different kind of awareness. My parents just brought me into this world to be food, like themselves, and that's the end of the story. [Castaneda, 1999]

Information as king and "see/C you soon" reminds me of the concept of merging explained in the Wave and "The King will come", a grail theme.

Or this soulless world is about to receive some serious cosmic feedback. Will it depend upon each individual or group of individuals the ability to manifest a souled place or vessel in the new world?
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Rabelais on March 25, 2013, 07:07:58 PM
Well, plague or no plague I have never been surrounded by so many ill people, and with illnesses that linger for so long as I have been this year. I think that I can safely say that about half (if not more) of my clients have or have had strange "colds" that last forever and several have suffered from the flu. I'm also seeing a lot of respiratory problems and constant coughing amongst people who claim not having gotten ill for years.

I have observed the same thing. People that become ill are ill for a long time or they get a relapse.
These past few weeks I have also felt really tired, as others wrote. I keep almost falling asleep behind the computer. I have been taking a lot of naps. :)

I have certainly been noticing this a lot recently. My facebook page has many old friends who are constantly sick with colds and flu. I have even offered silver to some of them (the ones who seem the most continuously vocal about it), but not a one has responded. Its like they almost revel in their misery and the telling of it. They keep going back to their doctors for more pills that do nothing for them.

I think that brief mid day naps are a good thing, if possible, especially if one is getting on up there in years. They really help me make the best of the rest of the afternoon and evening. A 45 minute or hour nap followed by a cup of tea makes all the difference. Some days the need never arises, but when it does and I try to slog on through it I always feel lethargic and brain fogged by sundown. Whenever a nap is just not possible some round breathing helps.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: anka on March 25, 2013, 07:52:35 PM
Thanks very much for the new session  :thup:
In spite of tiredness claimed by Laura, mentioned a number of times during the session, it still generated an interesting long discussion here in a very short time.

Quote from Carlise
« Reply #52 on: Yesterday at 06:10:23 »


Is the approach of the wave going to change our experience of reality, so that, basically, our acceptance of Truth or Lies is much more important than worrying about matters such as food?

Will we have an opportunity to help others here, or are we basically trying to prepare an Ark and get the hell out of here, leaving the population to their chosen lessons?


That's a very good question. I have been thinking for a long time how selfish it might be when one is wishing to get out of 3D but, being STS, it obviously is very natural, yet a result of getting more understanding of the state of the world/universe and of our original selfishness at the time of the Fall. Lets try not to be focused on it completely, even though it is a hope of everyone here to pass successfully. We still need to learn, absorb and apply... that's what is happening NOW.

One is also helping along the way by acting for one's good (trying to align FRV) and thus showing to others what matters to him/her. Never mind those who would ridicule you since they have no clue.

Quote from dugdeep
« Reply #67 on: Yesterday at 08:31:06 »


Also, this struck me as interesting:

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    Q: (L) We forgot to ask who's with us tonight!

    A: Pronoia.

    Q: (L) And where do you transmit from?

    A: Cassiopaea.


Quote from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pronoia_%28psychology%29

    Pronoia is a neologism that is defined as the opposite state of mind as paranoia: having the sense that there is a conspiracy that exists to help the person. It is also used to describe a philosophy that the world is set up to secretly benefit people.

    The writer and Electronic Frontier Foundation co-founder John Perry Barlow defined pronoia as "the suspicion the Universe is a conspiracy on your behalf".[1] The academic journal "Social Problems" published an article entitled "Pronoia" by Fred H. Goldner in 1982 (vol 30, pp. 82–91). It received a good deal of publicity at the time including references to it in Psychology Today, The New York Daily News, The Wall Street Journal etc. It described a phenomenon that was the opposite from paranoia and provided numerous examples of specific persons who displayed such characteristics.
    [...]
    The opening paragraphs of the article describe "a new and contagious cultural virus" and refer to pronoia as "the sneaking feeling one has that others are conspiring behind your back to help you".


Possibly a subtle hint? There's also this from the session:
Quote from: C's

    You see, there are those who would seek to block or harm you, and those who stand guard in an energetic sense which is close to the limit of permitted assistance at this point, though that may change along with conditions.


Help is on the way?


Thanks for this one, dugdeep* I never thought to look at the given name. Very interesting.

And then this, thank you very much again, Laura :hug2:  for the comments in « Reply #104 »
Much appreciated.

Greeting to everyone in the Chalet! :rockon:

Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Won8d on March 25, 2013, 07:59:31 PM
Laura and team thank very much for the session.

Reading the sessions over the years I ask myself is it possible to be prepared in the ninth hour?

Everything many of us have been doing up till now we could very well be as prepared as we can in the 3D environment.

Thinking further if we have not already we should be or have distanced ourselves from individuals that we have observed as being negatively oriented in our reality. Those that are engulfed in the many illusions of this reality.

A passage from books 5 and 6, Petty Tyrants & Facing the Unknown page 24

"And here we come to the primary issue: When we identify the fact that our energy fields are not compatible with some other individual or that there is a drain, we have the right to choose to disassociate ourselves. We have not only the right, but if we are truly seeking higher knowledge, it is a necessity."

A group of "like minded individuals" is necessary in the coming days.

I am thinking that preparation is a reminder. The C's also stated that the next event will be accompanied by "friends". Viral? More comets or meteorites? Or both? The future is open so we will just have to wait and see.

When we think of preparation in a 3D sense we think of storing food and water. In a spiritual sense obtaining knowledge and applying this knowledge.

It seems we are in the fourth quarter and what will be will be. The preparation portion is in the event we actually survive the coming destruction of this reality so to speak. I do not know what more we can do that we have not done, however, I hope I have prepared for what is to come.

I have just began the Horns of Moses and so far it is very interesting. I am also attempting to finish Petty Tyrants and Facing the Unknown at the same time. Again, thank you very much for this session and all the work that has been done leading up to the present time.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Bregalad on March 25, 2013, 08:00:42 PM
Thank you all for this most interesting session.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: wilbas on March 25, 2013, 08:03:36 PM
The question of preparation reminds me of the hypnosis session (THE WAVE 1) Laura had with 'Candy'.

Q: Are the squadrons of ships you see coming, do they come before this destruction or after?

A: The only thing I can say is that they ride the wave in.

Q: They ride the wave in? And you can’t see where the wave is coming from?

A: All I can see is we have to get prepared.

Q: How do we get prepared?

A: They are preparing us.

Q: Do we have to do anything ourselves?

A: We are programmed.

Q: How can one tell if one is programmed?

A: Things will be triggered. You are set up to do certain things… movies, books; different things trigger things that are in your subconscious… I see a key, or a wheel… how a wheel fits together… two wheels fit together and it clicks in.

As the C's have always said, 'we will do what we will do'. Seems like for now most of us are doing okay; the diets, information gathering and networking, but when the energy changes, we'll act as programmed. Preparation may also mean accepting the fact that some of us may have to transition through 5th density, which will still be 'fun' from a different (cosmic) perspective.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: mkrnhr on March 25, 2013, 08:10:22 PM
As the C's have always said, 'we will do what we will do'. Seems like for now most of us are doing okay; the diets, information gathering and networking, but when the energy changes, we'll act as programmed. Preparation may also mean accepting the fact that some of us may have to transition through 5th density, which will still be 'fun' from a different (cosmic) perspective.
Hi Wibas,
The main thing is that being prepared/programmed passively is different from the active self-preparation one has to tend towards. The passive stance does not require knowledge, while the second requires knowledge, application of knowledge, and lots of efforts. It's not a subtle difference at this level.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: sitting on March 25, 2013, 08:30:06 PM

The "preparation" word reminded me of that famous quote from Castaneda:


Speaking of Castaneda, I think of his paramount focus on the "assemblage point".  And the exhortation to move it, so as to perceive other worlds than the one we've been locked into.  And you do this by the exercise of "dreaming" and "stalking".  He gives detailed instructions.  The end product is escape from this world (3rd density ?).  I often wonder if this is analogous to developing a "conduit" through knowledge, as mentioned by the C's.  Both have indicated explicitly that these are means of escape.  Are they one and the same?

Interestingly, both claimed morality does not matter.  The C's have said there's no distinction made between "good" and "wicked"...(even if the wicked will be more prone to be whacked by comets).  And Castaneda said it isn't a matter of morality, but one of persistence, focused intent, and conservation of energy. 

From what I understand of the Castaneda material and the transcripts, I think preparation probably leans more to the side of the internal.  And maybe even just simple emotions.  Self importance, jealousy, hatred, obsession, possessiveness, assumptions, anticipation...things like that. 

Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Galius on March 25, 2013, 08:47:15 PM


I am a wise virgins   xD

I don't think that really contributed to the discussion, for what it's worth. Please remember to keep the noise down. :)
[/quote]

Sorry for that :) i just get excited by the new session, was not my intention make some noise my apologyes :)

at last i could be a gaogaza :3
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: shellycheval on March 25, 2013, 09:01:05 PM
Thank you Laura and Crew for another thought provoking session with the Cs.
I am mulling over "preparedness" and will join in when I have a useful (hopefully) question to contribute.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Laura on March 25, 2013, 09:02:22 PM
The question of preparation reminds me of the hypnosis session (THE WAVE 1) Laura had with 'Candy'.

Q: Are the squadrons of ships you see coming, do they come before this destruction or after?

A: The only thing I can say is that they ride the wave in.

Q: They ride the wave in? And you can’t see where the wave is coming from?

A: All I can see is we have to get prepared.

Q: How do we get prepared?

A: They are preparing us.

Q: Do we have to do anything ourselves?

A: We are programmed.

Q: How can one tell if one is programmed?

A: Things will be triggered. You are set up to do certain things… movies, books; different things trigger things that are in your subconscious… I see a key, or a wheel… how a wheel fits together… two wheels fit together and it clicks in.

As the C's have always said, 'we will do what we will do'. Seems like for now most of us are doing okay; the diets, information gathering and networking, but when the energy changes, we'll act as programmed. Preparation may also mean accepting the fact that some of us may have to transition through 5th density, which will still be 'fun' from a different (cosmic) perspective.

In that case, I don't think it was the good guys doing the "preparing."
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: wilbas on March 25, 2013, 09:04:42 PM
As the C's have always said, 'we will do what we will do'. Seems like for now most of us are doing okay; the diets, information gathering and networking, but when the energy changes, we'll act as programmed. Preparation may also mean accepting the fact that some of us may have to transition through 5th density, which will still be 'fun' from a different (cosmic) perspective.
Hi Wibas,
The main thing is that being prepared/programmed passively is different from the active self-preparation one has to tend towards. The passive stance does not require knowledge, while the second requires knowledge, application of knowledge, and lots of efforts. It's not a subtle difference at this level.

Thanks  mkrnhr, though I was referring to preparation at the subconscious level - not accessible for now. Consciously, active self work is key.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Álvaro on March 25, 2013, 09:31:17 PM
I think the preparation is in relation to the development of self, in all its facets. And this means discovering and understanding who you are, what you can reach to see, and also recoating and understand how the environment in which we live.

We can prepare through the healing of our programs, we tame the predator inside discern when we act through the System 1 or when we are aware of our mechanical reactions. Diet is very important in the work on oneself. Similarly, a proper diet is part of the process, because it affects all of the above.

Understand the reality we live helps us to be protected from foreign predation, while learning how we have been conditioned all our lives to be subject to the tax indoctrination, because that is what determines the way we perceive things. And that also prepares us for what may come.

It's an idea, but maybe not being prepared is nothing but work on itself, covering everything related to the development of our potential. Osit
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: WIN 52 on March 25, 2013, 09:34:58 PM
I think the best way to be prepared (our lamp oil) is 'frequency' produced by our efforts in doing/ living The Work everyday
 (saving energy so we can connect to our higher centres and to become 'immortal' as Gurdijeff said) ...
And the Cass said it's not important where we are but who we are and what we see ..
.So I assume it is not food and water that is the most important couse it's only fuel for the body - the soul is the one that counts...)  :/

So many christian people seem to understand that this is referring to a spiritual lamp. This view has always been problematic to me. It fails to answer the physical element of what it is to keep your lamp full of oil, after all we are here in a physical 3D form.

And all these people will come saying, "Haven't I been a good servant, doing your work Lord?", and he sent them away saying "I know you not."

It also seems to me that since my physical lamp is full of oil, my frequency has raised to a higher level, allowing for energy to move more easily.

I have done many bible studies with many disciplines called churches, have even been baptized and ordained as an elder. Through all of this, I have never been able to accept the spiritual lamp theory. Doing these things would only be a false sense of being accepted by God because of what you do. There is also many warnings about doing good works for the sake of salvation. The way it works is that once you are in harmony those good works come naturally without expecting a reward. I was always concerned about my physical lamp and how I can keep this full of oil. To my thinking, this is/was more important than any good works. But how would one accomplish this very thing? It seems this is answered in this forum. All you need is the courage to follow.

Yes, the bible talks a lot about gnashing of teeth by people claiming to have done good works in God's name expecting salvation, yet he knew them not when it came to the end times.

It also says people will be going about their daily routines, then it will be here/time. Just like that, so where is the need to store plenty of food. It is always good to have a bit of stored food and water on hand. It says while some virgins went to buy oil the time came and when they came back with oil it was too late.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Niall on March 25, 2013, 09:40:05 PM
Quote from: happyliza
Attached is an unusual storm in North Cyprus on Friday.

I recognised that image you posted of a tornado with lightning strike and Googled it. It's apparently over 20 years old:

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This tornado and lightning photo is real but does not show a storm that struck Chattanooga. This storm was over Lake Okeechobee in Florida on June 15, 1991. The photo was taken by a Mr. Fred Smith. This photo has been circulated for years with nearly every severe weather outbreak as being a new photo.

http://photography.about.com/od/photohoaxes/ss/Photo-Hoax-chattanooga-2012-Lightning-Tornado.htm
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Carl on March 25, 2013, 09:47:55 PM
I think the preparation is in relation to the development of self, in all its facets. And this means discovering and understanding who you are, what you can reach to see, and also recoating and understand how the environment in which we live.

We can prepare through the healing of our programs, we tame the predator inside discern when we act through the System 1 or when we are aware of our mechanical reactions. Diet is very important in the work on oneself. Similarly, a proper diet is part of the process, because it affects all of the above.

Understand the reality we live helps us to be protected from foreign predation, while learning how we have been conditioned all our lives to be subject to the tax indoctrination, because that is what determines the way we perceive things. And that also prepares us for what may come.

It's an idea, but maybe not being prepared is nothing but work on itself, covering everything related to the development of our potential. Osit

At the end of the day this is what it will come down to I guess. Clearing out all the junk from the unconscious that dictates our actions, or at least bringing it to light to deal with. utilising System 2, paying strict attention to reality, remembering ones self, fighting against bad habits, as well as the predator's fear of developing new habits. And of course detoxing the body and emotions through diet and EE, and learning some new stuff every day.

In short, everything we're already working on.

This thread (http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,30850.msg405359.html#msg405359) by nicklebleu and the responses given have been helpful, as 'treading water' is a good description for the feeling I've been having lately. This session has been a call to redouble efforts. To put more sincerity and heart into living and being an active part of creation, and to work harder on my mechanical nature.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: zim on March 25, 2013, 10:32:07 PM
Thanks for the session it is very interesting!!! :thup:

I think the preparation is in relation to the development of self, in all its facets. And this means discovering and understanding who you are, what you can reach to see, and also recoating and understand how the environment in which we live.

We can prepare through the healing of our programs, we tame the predator inside discern when we act through the System 1 or when we are aware of our mechanical reactions. Diet is very important in the work on oneself. Similarly, a proper diet is part of the process, because it affects all of the above.

Understand the reality we live helps us to be protected from foreign predation, while learning how we have been conditioned all our lives to be subject to the tax indoctrination, because that is what determines the way we perceive things. And that also prepares us for what may come.

It's an idea, but maybe not being prepared is nothing but work on itself, covering everything related to the development of our potential. Osit

At the end of the day this is what it will come down to I guess. Clearing out all the junk from the unconscious that dictates our actions, or at least bringing it to light to deal with. utilising System 2, paying strict attention to reality, remembering ones self, fighting against bad habits, as well as the predator's fear of developing new habits. And of course detoxing the body and emotions through diet and EE, and learning some new stuff every day.
In short, everything we're already working on.

This thread (http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,30850.msg405359.html#msg405359) by nicklebleu and the responses given have been helpful, as 'treading water' is a good description for the feeling I've been having lately. This session has been a call to redouble efforts. To put more sincerity and heart into living and being an active part of creation, and to work harder on my mechanical nature.

Thanks Alvaro and Carlise to put all this points together, reminds me how hard I have to work to fill this actions to be prepared and apply knowledge which is super important.   :headbanger:
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: ziggystarlust on March 25, 2013, 10:57:01 PM
Perhaps, part of what the C's are alluding to here is that those who have been warned in dreams/intuition, of their potential precarious locations (coastal?) should move now.  And for those that are in need  of long periods of sleep/naps,  this was mentioned in Barbara Marchiniak's book Bringers of the Dawn.  New energy adjustment- if I remember the material correctly.  She stated that the rest is necessary.  Both of her books are on You Tube in "talking book" format.  Bringers of the Dawn link...  _https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iuRNcRZemE  and thanx for the session.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: dantem on March 25, 2013, 10:58:11 PM

Wow, that is a very interesting connection. It also seems to me to be a hint that the only way through this will be to trust in the Universe, and let go of the paranoia attitude of 3d thinking. A small dose of Pronoia often helps when making difficult or scary choices. "When you begin to separate limiting emotions based on assumptions from emotions that open one to unlimited possibilities, that means you are preparing for the next density."

Thanks Carlise, didn't know that 'Pronoia' had a meaning!

Quote
Pronoia is a neologism that is defined as the opposite state of mind as paranoia: having the sense that there is a conspiracy that exists to help the person. It is also used to describe a philosophy that the world is set up to secretly benefit people.

It just hit a bad cord at first because it sounded like "pro-boredom" to my latin ears, but the effect of the session was quite the opposite!

Thanks for the session, just reading the whole thread. I was very intrigued by that word "paean" being connected with Apollo and Stonehenge, and the hint that there isn't really any 'closed system' around, if not into physics books :) The Barcelona conference comes to mind, and a hurry-up call to read and keep translating those transcripts. That's very high density Information!
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Starshine on March 25, 2013, 11:31:19 PM
Thanks to the group for this interesting session ! :) Anf also for your insightful comments.

Since I found and thought about it. Now, for instance, when I want to do EE and if laziness or fatigue stops me, when come to my mind thinking about that I can do it tomorrow, because tomorrow is another day, because I still have time, then I reproach myself. Do you want to be like the wise virgins or foolish? If you want to act like the wise virgins, do it now. Do not hesitate, do not hang up, do not give up and don't leave the path, and don't leave your life for "later".

I suppose that it is what C's want to tell. And I think if you want to "be prepared" I think you would better take it to your mind and heart.

I think that there's a lot to it. I also reproach myself to not do things I have to do, but I will not hang up that fight, I'm confident that by acquiring more and more knowledge, the option becomes a necessity, which changes the whole perception of the situation.
The necessity I see for the moment is to keep up with the inflow of knowledge, to apply it and to network. And I have a lot to do with this. Be prepared if you want to participate, literally.
I also thought the comments about the increased negative attraction generated by Lies to be something to ponder. Especially(from a 3D point of view  :rolleyes:), where could it be more possible to occur (considering that the Elite has some Truth), and does it also relate to other phenomenoms , as Gertrudes said :
' I wonder if sinkholes follow similar principles to celestial bodies as to what actually attracts them.'
What about Truth having the opposite effect ?

As for the question Laura asked :
'Maybe ya'll can formulate some simple progressions of questions about what it really means to be "prepared"?'

Just in case, I checked the definition of 'prepared' from thefreedictionnary:
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1. To make ready beforehand for a specific purpose, as for an event or occasion
2. To put together or make by combining various elements or ingredients; manufacture or compound.
3. To fit out; equip.
4. Music: To lead up to and soften (a dissonance or its impact) by means of preparation.
v.intr.
1. To make things or oneself ready.
2. To study or complete a course of study at a preparatory school.

In someways, the 4th definition is the one I find interesting in this case.
Also, when I read 'See/C' you soon, Carbon came into my mind, and DNA by extension. Talking about the effect of the wave ?
I'm surely missing a lot here, but it must be related to FRV and gravity waves in some ways. Just bringing my thoughts.

The wise virgins parable is pretty clear, we have to be ready because "you know neither the day nor the hour in which the Son of Man is coming".
A lot has been said on Diet, EE and applying knowledge, some great reminders along the thread. What else could bring us the best preparation ? It apply to those who wish to participate in the future, in which way ? It depends of what is meant by 'participation' as is by 'people'. I can see more answers (that can provide a lot if understood and applied)  than questions.
Are there places we should avoid?
Does being physically together,to further the aim of the network, increase our protection in proportion of the persons involved ? Isn't the networking as it is here going to be enough ?
Do we have to prepare ourselves to the fact that the whole reality could change in our direct environnement, including 5D migrations around us ?

I've also felt tired those last days, or more precisely, the time I need to recover has been longer than normally. But I guess it's due to several factors that I'm aware of.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: dantem on March 26, 2013, 12:06:23 AM
This 'Pronoia' seems to be related to the following answer: '...those who stand guard in an energetic sense which is close to the limit of permitted assistance at this point..'.

Paranoia isn't a good state to hold, and so would be its opposite, Pronoia. To assume to have the protection up all the time could be dangerous in the future.

Is it just another subtle call for those who have ears to hear for max vigilance? The chord being played sound into this session seems to circle around 'defense', 'barriers', 'greater defense' and 'being prepared' a lot.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Talas on March 26, 2013, 12:09:21 AM
`be prepared` Thx to Laura and the Crew for this session and may we all strive for our own oil to light our eternal lamps. :)

"Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid." Matthew 5:14
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Davida on March 26, 2013, 12:23:05 AM
Here's the parable of the wise and foolish virgins:

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“Then the kingdom of heaven shall be likened to ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom.  Now five of them were wise, and five were foolish. Those who were foolish took their lamps and took no oil with them, but the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. But while the bridegroom was delayed, they all slumbered and slept.

“And at midnight a cry was heard: ‘Behold, the bridegroom is coming; go out to meet him!’ Then all those virgins arose and trimmed their lamps. And the foolish said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.’ But the wise answered, saying, ‘No, lest there should not be enough for us and you; but go rather to those who sell, and buy for yourselves.’ And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the wedding; and the door was shut.

“Afterward the other virgins came also, saying, ‘Lord, Lord, open to us!’ But he answered and said, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, I do not know you.’

“Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour in which the Son of Man is coming.

One could say, we were born into the night of day, so to speak, all the things one can’t see, inside and out, might as well be night with only the moon for light each day.

In that way, life must be a long night if your awake, but all fall asleep even the wise virgins…

Guess better to, make oil not war… drop by drop…  makes the world a better place, regardless if one is going somewhere or not. osit

Though who is this Bridegroom(?) is that supposed to be son of man… are they separate or one and the same(?) Wasn’t Ulysses delayed coming home.

Some snips from ‘Homer – The Odyssey’
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Minerva said, ‘… … But tell me, and tell me true, what is the meaning of all this feasting, and who are these people? What is it all about? Have you some banquet, or is there a wedding in the family- for no one seems to be bringing any provisions of his own? And the guests- how atrociously they are behaving; what riot they make over the whole house; it is enough to disgust any respectable person who comes near them."

If Ulysses is the man he then was these suitors will have a short shrift and a sorry wedding.

"I will say what I think will be best," answered Ulysses. "First wash and put your shirts on; tell the maids also to go to their own room and dress; Phemius shall then strike up a dance tune on his lyre, so that if people outside hear, or any of the neighbours, or some one going along the street happens to notice it, they may think there is a wedding in the house, and no rumours about the death of the suitors will get about in the town, before we can escape to the woods upon my own land. Once there, we will settle which of the courses heaven vouchsafes us shall seem wisest."

Food for thought… 

Thank you Laura and crew for sharing
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Loire on March 26, 2013, 12:35:37 AM
Great session. I personally found that part about the psychic barrier to be very interresting. I live in an area where freak accidents frequently happen sometimes for no apparent reasons. This explanation about psychic barrier was a great food for thought which helped my understanding of reality.

Thanks very much to Laura and team.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Caladhiel on March 26, 2013, 12:46:56 AM
It's such a fortunate feeling to read every fresh session!

I like this one, as it makes lot of sense:

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Q: (Belibaste) So if a group of individuals acquires, stores, information that is orthogonal to truth, i.e. lies, will this fact of acquiring information that is orthogonal to truth increase the attraction to meteorites or cometary bodies?

A: Yes

Q: (Belibaste) How does it work?

A: Other realm just mentioned... Gravity waves.

Q: (L) Are you saying that gravity waves are a property of a different realm?

A: Mostly.

Thank you Laura, thank you Ark, Belibaste, Perceval, Andromeda, PoB, Ailen, Data, Kniall, Mr. Scott.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Silveryblue on March 26, 2013, 02:08:18 AM
I had to read up on the parables, so pardon if I am misinterpreting.

FWIW I think the foolish virgins missed the point of the invitation, which seems to have been to provide light for the ceremony. They just went through the motions by bringing exactly what had been requested & no more, intent on being a part of the ceremony without actually thinking about how to contribute.

The timing is important too - no warning is to be given, so if you don't think forward about everything that will be required to achieve the intent, you will miss the window.

The talents parable has me scratching my head. I can see the aspect of the good steward/slave acting in his masters best interest while master is away - again not knowing when master will return & judge your efforts.
I can particularly see this related to scientific "talent" being misused, but it doesn't seem to closely relate to the parable itself.
The bit about master "harvesting where you did not plant and gathering where you did not scatter" is puzzling. Clearly master is a bit of a rogue & servant didn't want to follow his practises. I am not sure what to make of that. :huh:
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Skyfarmr on March 26, 2013, 02:40:18 AM
Thank you Laura and crew for another great session.

Some great posts and responses to ponder as well.
After reading all these insightful interpretations,
I'm certainly not feeling "prepared" in any context which was discussed,
but still determined to get ever closer.

Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: findit on March 26, 2013, 03:21:28 AM
Great session! There are some great threads running through this session.  I was trying to think of questions to ask, so I will go in a different direction.  I've enjoyed this forum even though I haven't had the chance to meet people face to face. So my question is this...whether or not it is 4D or 5D, will it be difficult to maintain contact with this group? I have no idea how communication works at different levels, and I wonder whether it will be a snap or whether it will be tricky.  Do we remember everything in 4D or is it like being born again and starting over especially if you go to 5D first?

If negative energy attracts comets than Israel, Washington DC, and London have got to be prime targets! Considering all the crop circles in Britain, one has to wonder.

Thanks again, and looking forward to the next session and book!  ;D
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: sunnysea2256 on March 26, 2013, 03:37:55 AM
Just wait for the next one! That one will be a doozie! And it has "friends!"


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does she means that a couple of comets will badly destroy our planet??

thanks
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: ROEL on March 26, 2013, 03:54:20 AM
Session Date: March 23rd 2013

Q: (L) A surge in the electric cord!  Next? (Andromeda) Do we want to ask anything about the new pope? (L) Nah.

I am intrigued by the offhand dismissal about asking a question or questions concerning the new pope.
Given that the whereabouts of many public figures have been the subject of questions to the Cs, it's almost natural to inquire about the changes that might come about as a result of this particular situation that the Catholic Church is experiencing, since no small influence is exerted by this organization on the socio-political landscape of the BBM.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: 7777 on March 26, 2013, 04:28:34 AM
The Catholic Church is influential, but it is also as an insitution slow to make changes. One pope might be a little more liberal or a little less dogmatic than another. What kind of things do you think the new pope might do that would change the socio-political landscape?
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: whitecoast on March 26, 2013, 05:52:06 AM
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Q: (Belibaste) So if a group of individuals acquires, stores, information that is orthogonal to truth, i.e. lies, will this fact of acquiring information that is orthogonal to truth increase the attraction to meteorites or cometary bodies?

A: Yes

So, cat's out of the bag. Knowledge LITERALLY protects by being comet-repellent.  :cool2:
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: sunnysea2256 on March 26, 2013, 05:58:58 AM
Maybe this post would fit better somewhere else, but this session, especially the closing comments, hit me quite hard. I always feel a kind of anxiety when I'm reminded of preparation, like I'm totally not doing enough to be prepared.

Spending a lot of time doing Uni work and other such things, when I'm pretty well convinced that the poop is about to hit the fan, feels like I'm living a total lie. Sometimes I think I should just drop out, learn some proper handy real life skills, and really get prepared for tough times and have something substantial to give to others. But then, despite the monotony of Uni and my job, they keep the money coming in. Enough to allow me good food, and books anyway, as well as both being opportunities for self Work.

Maybe I'm just being drastic here, but it feels like the universe is bringing out the bright neon signs and, although I'm paying attention, it just doesn't feel like I'm acting on these signs like I should.

Thank you for the session :)

Maybe ya'll can formulate some simple progressions of questions about what it really means to be "prepared"?  I promise we'll do another very soon!!!  It's just been hectic around here, one thing after another, and finally the taxes were all done after weeks of accounting data entry.  So now, with the business out of the way, we can try to get back to normal, whatever that is.  In short, another session soon, so let's get some good questions together about what "being prepared" really means.  I have the feeling that it isn't what people usually think.


looking forward to it...
thanks a lot ,
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: SeekinTruth on March 26, 2013, 05:59:58 AM
Thanks for posting this session. So, it seems, discerning lies from truth -- internally and externally -- is very important in the preparation for the coming events.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Spiral Out on March 26, 2013, 06:49:23 AM
Very interesting session. Thank you!

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Q: (Belibaste) More negative. Okay. Can one individual, or several individuals, attract in a similar manner as this place, some cometary bodies?

A: Yes

Q: (Belibaste) Is it because their electric charge collectively or individually is modified?

A: Not only electric charge. In the realm from which some of these things are manifested or, better, "directed", information is king.

Q: (Belibaste) So if a group of individuals acquires, stores, information that is orthogonal to truth, i.e. lies, will this fact of acquiring information that is orthogonal to truth increase the attraction to meteorites or cometary bodies?

A: Yes

Maybe this also relates to the EEQT.

from http://www.sott.net/articles/show/151667-Order-Out-of-Chaos

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Our universe seems to be made up of matter/energy and of consciousness.

Matter/energy by itself "prefers", as it seems, a chaotic state.

Matter/energy by itself doesn't even have a concept of "creation" or "organization". It is the consciousness that brings to life these concepts and by its interaction with matter pushes the universe towards chaos and decay or towards order and creation.

This phenomenon can modeled mathematically and simulated on a computer using EEQT (Event Enhanced Quantum Theory). Whether EEQT faithfully models the interaction of consciousness with matter, we do not know; but chances are that it does because it seems to describe correctly physical phenomena better than just the orthodox quantum mechanics or its rival theories (Bohmian mechanics, GRW etc.)

What we learn from EEQT can be described in simple terms as follows:

Let us call our material universe "the system". The system is characterized by a certain "state". It is useful to represent the state of the system as a point on a disc. The central point of the disk, its origin, is the state of chaos. We could also describe it as "Infinite Potential." The points on the boundary represents "pure states" of being, that is states with "pure, non-fuzzy, knowledge". In between there are mixed states. The closer the state is to the boundary, the more pure, more 'organized' it is.

Now, an external "observer", a "consciousness unit", has some idea - maybe accurate, maybe false or anywhere in between - about the "real state" of the system, and observes the system with this "belief" about the state. Observation, if prolonged, causes the state of the system to "jump". In this sense, you DO "create your own reality", but the devil, as always, is in the details.

The details are that the resulting state of the system under observation can be more pure, or more chaotic depending on the "direction" of the jump. The direction of the jump depends on how objective - how close to the reality of the actual state - the observation is.

According to EEQT if the expectations of the observer are close to the actual state of the system, the system jumps, more often than not, into more organized, less chaotic state.

If, on the other hand, the expectation of the observer is close to the negation of the actual state (that is when the observer's beliefs are not TRUE according to the ACTUAL state - the objective reality), then the state of the system, typically, will jump into a state that is more chaotic, less organized. Moreover, it will take, as a rule, much longer time to accomplish such a jump.

In other words, if the observer's knowledge of the actual state is close to the truth, then the very act of observation and verification causes a jump quickly, and the resulting state is more organized; pure. If the observer's knowledge of the actual state is false, then it takes usually a long time to cause a change in the state of the system, and the resulting state is more chaotic.

In short, everyone who "believes" in an attempt to "create reality" that is different from what IS, adds to the increase of chaos and entropy. If your beliefs are orthogonal to the truth, no matter how strongly you believe them, you are essentially coming into conflict with how the Universe views itself and I can assure you, you ain't gonna win that contest. You are inviting destruction upon yourself and all who engage in this "staring down the universe" exercise with you.

On the other hand, if you are able to view the Universe as it views itself, objectively, without blinking, and with acceptance of the reality and appropriate responses to how things really are, you then become more "aligned" with the Creative energy of the universe and your very consciousness becomes a transducer of order energy, and your actions are consonant with what is. Your energy of observation, given unconditionally, matched by the appropriate actions, can bring order to chaos, can create out of infinite potential.

[...]

Do you observe the world based on truth, objectivity, as the Universe views itself? That brings life.

Or, do you view the word based on lies, subjectivity, and do you seek to shut-out, control, or force the world to bend to your will?

If so, you have chosen Death.

It is only Truth and actions based on Truth that will restore Life and order to our world.

Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: loreta on March 26, 2013, 06:53:27 AM
Thank you very much for the session to all of you, the team in the chateau, the C's and all the comments and analysis of the session. The profundity of the interpretations are so plain of lessons to think about. The parable of the virgins is a really beautiful one, like a fairy tale. It tells us, I think, how you can be a virgin ready to enter a new stage or a foolish that is not ready at all. The lesson of the virgins is interesting, how they are hard in their words when speaking to the foolish and at the same time telling them that they (the foolish) are not ready yet to enter the room. They seem to respect the situation of the foolish and their help to them is telling them that they can go to look for oil (knowledge) because they are not ready yet. Where I am in this tale? Sometimes I am the virgin and people I know are the foolish. Sometimes a am the foolish, not ready yet.

Thank you  very much all of you.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Carl on March 26, 2013, 08:34:43 AM


Maybe this also relates to the EEQT.

from http://www.sott.net/articles/show/151667-Order-Out-of-Chaos (http://www.sott.net/articles/show/151667-Order-Out-of-Chaos)


Cheers Spiral Out, I've never seen that article before; that makes perfect sense. As we start to see the world more objectively, we begin to learn our lessons. Once those lessons are learned, it causes a jump into greater objectivity, as we are done with those lessons and ready to move 'outwards' on the disc, learn more lessons and see things even more objectively. I guess this is what is meant by dancing with the Universe.

Thank you very much for the session to all of you, the team in the chateau, the C's and all the comments and analysis of the session. The profundity of the interpretations are so plain of lessons to think about. The parable of the virgins is a really beautiful one, like a fairy tale. It tells us, I think, how you can be a virgin ready to enter a new stage or a foolish that is not ready at all. The lesson of the virgins is interesting, how they are hard in their words when speaking to the foolish and at the same time telling them that they (the foolish) are not ready yet to enter the room. They seem to respect the situation of the foolish and their help to them is telling them that they can go to look for oil (knowledge) because they are not ready yet. Where I am in this tale? Sometimes I am the virgin and people I know are the foolish. Sometimes a am the foolish, not ready yet.


It seems to me that this parable is aimed directly at people doing the Work, or who think they are doing the Work. Most people obviously have no hope of being torchbearers, but even for us with a little more knowledge it is easy to slip into complacency, and maybe some of us will not be truly prepared when the Son of Man arrives. Something to keep in our thoughts daily IMO.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: stellar on March 26, 2013, 09:02:34 AM
  If knowledge is the "oil", they didn't share the "oil" with the foolish. Should there be a point where knowledge should not be shared with others, in a kind of too late to wake up scenario perhaps?

 

Maybe just not share with those who are along for a free lunch.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: maxtree on March 26, 2013, 09:03:49 AM
Thank you Laura and crew for this session.

I just wondered if "prepare yourself" could also be something like " conquer the fear/angst of dying" (like in the 'V 'movie).
Or "don't blink in the eyes of darkness" or "enjoy the show".
And after these 15 years of working on knowledge gathering (thanks sooo much Laura) and applying it "you will do what you will do" each in his/her own way.

Just my 3 cents. phiw.
sorry if this is noise
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: stellar on March 26, 2013, 09:15:14 AM
Thanks so much for the session :D

 Perhaps it relates to using one's talents in an STO manner, sharing them, spreading them for the benefit of others, versus hording, hiding and using your "talents" only for yourself. Perhaps using one's talents is how one "prepares", if that makes sense.

I'm thinking that bartering/exchanging knowledge would equate to a form of currency when survival is in question.Eg I can show you how to build a house and maybe you can show me how to connect solar energy or plumbing.

Knowledge of herbal medicine would come in really handy too when there are no health food stores around. :halo:
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Seppo Ilmarinen on March 26, 2013, 11:02:10 AM
Thank you for this session Laura and the crew!
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: kiki_d on March 26, 2013, 11:19:34 AM
Hello all! Relatively new to the C's material, but everyday I find answers that I seek, in them. Keep up the good work!
I was reading latest transcript and when they said about being prepared like the wise vigins, I remembered reading something in a Greek awekening blog about preparing your soul for what's to come. It was refering to the delphic commandmends, which are below in English translation.
http://imthinkingallowed.blogspot.gr/2012/01/carved-on-temple-of-delphoi-were-three.html

I don't know if they are relevant, but I know inside me that I had to post this here.

PS: Sorry for the bad English!
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: wetroof on March 26, 2013, 11:21:37 AM
thanks for the session to everyone who made it possible. I like the parable of the wise and foolish virgins. I did not hear it before. It's interesting how entrance into the kingdom of heaven can be compared to the transition from 3D to 4D.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Tomek on March 26, 2013, 11:26:33 AM
The reference of the wise virgins parable also makes me think about a previous session :

Quote from: Session 9 April 2011
A: Yes. When you remember yourselves five or ten years ago, do you recognize the changes thus far?

Q: Everyone: “yes!”

A: Do you not suspect that these changes are also matched or mirrored in your most basic structure?

Q: (L) Hadn’t really thought about it.

A: This is how work on the self works! It prepares you for even more dramatic and rapid changes! And this is ”receivership capacity”.

Q: So, you’re saying when you work on yourself, and you change something from a certain level, that it acts on more fundamental levels even as far as your DNA? Which then enables you to receive finer or differently tuned energies, which can help to change you more? And if that happens, it enables you to achieve more and do more. Is that sort of what we’re getting at here?

A: Yes. Not quite clear as you put it; but close enough.

Q: (L) Do I need to be clearer?

A: When you do, you will.
(Emphasis mine)

Maybe there's no clear link between this "receivership capacity" and the amount of oil that the wise virgins had planned with them (by the way, the arabic expression "āl-kymyā" literally means "the science quantities". And the wise virgins had oil = fat). If all the actions we have taken on ourselves for all these years (the Work, EE, diet,  mind, emotions, body) allow us to expand our "receivership capacity" it may also allow us to be "received" by the groom of the parable.

My 2 cents.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: adam7117 on March 26, 2013, 11:41:12 AM
A couple of other things which caught my attention... I'm curious what others think about them.

Q: (L) Which reminds me... I was reading in this book about Greek religion by Walter Burkert that the term "paean" was used to describe to the type of songs that were sung in the worship of the god Apollo in the most ancient times. And Apollo was supposedly the Hyperborean god, and if my suppositions are correct, was also the god that was worshipped at Stonehenge. Any connection there?

A: Indeed.

A: See/C you soon!

I wonder what kinds of songs those were and how "high" were the notes. Did they use any type of instruments (or implements), etc. And since Stonehenge is implicated in all of this, did the worshippers also use similar sounds there? Funny thought that - but did the songs activate anything by any chance?

Quote from: Wikipedia
Paean

A paean (pron.: /ˈpiːən/) is a song or lyric poem expressing triumph or thanksgiving. In classical antiquity, it is usually performed by a chorus, but some examples seem intended for an individual voice (monody). It comes from the Greek παιάν (also παιήων or παιών), "song of triumph, any solemn song or chant." "Paeon" was also the name of a divine physician and an epithet of Apollo.

(...)

The earliest appearances of a paean or hymn of thanksgiving also appear in the Iliad. After the prayer to avert evil from the Achaeans, a paean is sung. In an almost identical line (X.391) that suggests a formulaic expression, Achilles tells the Myrmidons to sing the paean after the death of Hector.

To discover the relation between Paean or Paeon the healer-god and paean in the sense of "song" it is necessary to identify the connection between ritual chant and the shaman's healing arts. Martin Nilsson observed:

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The curing of diseases everywhere plays an important part and among primitive peoples lies in the hands of sorcerers and priests. There was in earlier Greece a class of seers and purificatory priests which in all essentials fulfilled this function. The art of healing consisted in magical ceremonies and incantations. In later times these were usually called έπωδαί, charms, but in earlier days they were certainly called paeans (παιάν), for Homer speaks of the god, Paieon, who takes his name from them. With the charm was blended the name of the god, and thus the paean became a song of thanksgiving and eventually of victory. In later times Apollo has made the art of healing his own, and after him his son Asklepios took it over.

Previously, L. R. Farnell had referred to the ancient association between the healing craft and the singing of spells, but found it impossible to decide which was the original sense. At all events the meaning of "healer" gradually gave place to that of "hymn", from the phrase Ιή Παιάν.

Such songs were originally addressed to Apollo, and afterwards to other gods, Dionysus, Helios, Asclepius. About the 4th century the paean became merely a formula of adulation; its object was either to implore protection against disease and misfortune, or to offer thanks after such protection had been rendered. Its connection with Apollo as the slayer of the Python led to its association with battle and victory; hence it became the custom for a paean to be sung by an army on the march and before entering into battle, when a fleet left the harbour, and also after a victory had been won.


The next thought came after reading the following exchange.

(Belibaste) You know there was this place in Central Europe... A guy at his house, he got meteorites that fell on his house like five or six times. Is the cause a local anomaly in the electric charge of the Earth in this specific location?

A: Yes

Q: (Belibaste) Okay. Is it that locally, the place, is it more positive, or more negative than the asteroid or meteorite?

A: Neg

Q: (Belibaste) More negative. Okay. Can one individual, or several individuals, attract in a similar manner as this place, some cometary bodies?

A: Yes

Q: (Belibaste) Is it because their electric charge collectively or individually is modified?

A: Not only electric charge. In the realm from which some of these things are manifested or, better, "directed", information is king.

Q: (Belibaste) So if a group of individuals acquires, stores, information that is orthogonal to truth, i.e. lies, will this fact of acquiring information that is orthogonal to truth increase the attraction to meteorites or cometary bodies?

A: Yes

So an individual's frequency (and charge) can attract nature's wrath in a very bad way - the effect is amplified when a group of similarly-natured people gets together. What about the planet itself though, could it be that some areas have this attractive action on the meteorites and comets naturally?

When the Russian meteorite hit, RT kept mentioning how prone the whole area was to meteoric impacts (or explosions). I clearly remember one commentator saying, "That whole area is like a magnet!". It's peculiar and it has stuck with me. Are these charges detectable by any instruments? Could a protective charge be created to reduce a chance of impact? Etc.

I think it opens up a whole area for investigation. Correct me if I'm wrong - isn't Laura's latest book discussing these attractive forces as well? I'm not through the whole thing yet but intend to find out ASAP.    :)
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Felipe4 on March 26, 2013, 12:20:08 PM
very interesting session....
there is indeed a whole bunch, personally i had experiences in the past 8 months that acount to whats being said.
a couple of days ago, i saw a halo around the moon,
a day before that i broke the front light of a car while driving,
and my mom said my bed was shaking but no one was here,
went down to Florida and the next day there was sinkhole (a house sinked)
among other stuff that's been happening.........

very interesting indeed...

thanks for the session.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: MikeJoseph82 on March 26, 2013, 12:44:26 PM
Thank you all involved for the session. The final biblical reference of the session couldn't be any clearer - the message has been given, the choice is yours to make.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Psayehefost on March 26, 2013, 01:27:06 PM
The discussion seems to have gone along the lines of what I wrote down, thinking of the parables, yesterday after reading the session and the first few pages of comments.

The foolish virgins had not done their due didligence and were thus dependent on others. Given the time and circumstances, others couldn't help them - and it was too late for the foolish to succeed in helping themselves.

Helping oneself may be stocking up on an oil which is then multiplied (parable of the talents) through active service - people stocking up on what they need to network and work together, and then through their work together, they all increase what they have. Learning, networking, acting - gaining oil, multiplying it, using it. Multiplying it (sincere and constructive networking) being necessary to keep the oil sufficient to keep the flame lit as the world turns around us.

I think back to what the C's consider to be preparation for graduation - "karmic and simple understandings". The learning of which requires making use of the opportunities one is given, or being "wise", and which in turn I think are needed for networking towards STO purposes.

Then there's being alive to reality - paying attention to, striving to understand, and responding to reality. Here both self-understanding and self-mastery (through self-Work) along with understanding the world are needed; I think both psychology (for understanding both oneself and others) and history are important - for as Marc Bloch points out in The Historian's Craft, we need to understand the past to understand the present, and we need to understand the present to understand the past.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Echo Blue on March 26, 2013, 01:32:49 PM
Thank you Laura and Crew for the new Session. 

I also appreciate Spiral Out's link below, and just re-read the entire article.  I can't believe Laura wrote that article over 4 years ago!!!  I don't think I gave the article as much attention then as I have now.  It never ceases to amaze me that one can read something and have no reaction, but when it comes around again and read a second time, you find so much information you can't believe you missed it the first time.  Same with the sessions. 

And as other have said, thanks to all who have contributed to this thought provoking topic.



Q: (Belibaste) So if a group of individuals acquires, stores, information that is orthogonal to truth, i.e. lies, will this fact of acquiring information that is orthogonal to truth increase the attraction to meteorites or cometary bodies?

A: Yes

Maybe this also relates to the EEQT.

from http://www.sott.net/articles/show/151667-Order-Out-of-Chaos

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Our universe seems to be made up of matter/energy and of consciousness.

Matter/energy by itself "prefers", as it seems, a chaotic state.

Matter/energy by itself doesn't even have a concept of "creation" or "organization". It is the consciousness that brings to life these concepts and by its interaction with matter pushes the universe towards chaos and decay or towards order and creation.

This phenomenon can modeled mathematically and simulated on a computer using EEQT (Event Enhanced Quantum Theory). Whether EEQT faithfully models the interaction of consciousness with matter, we do not know; but chances are that it does because it seems to describe correctly physical phenomena better than just the orthodox quantum mechanics or its rival theories (Bohmian mechanics, GRW etc.)

What we learn from EEQT can be described in simple terms as follows:

Let us call our material universe "the system". The system is characterized by a certain "state". It is useful to represent the state of the system as a point on a disc. The central point of the disk, its origin, is the state of chaos. We could also describe it as "Infinite Potential." The points on the boundary represents "pure states" of being, that is states with "pure, non-fuzzy, knowledge". In between there are mixed states. The closer the state is to the boundary, the more pure, more 'organized' it is.

Now, an external "observer", a "consciousness unit", has some idea - maybe accurate, maybe false or anywhere in between - about the "real state" of the system, and observes the system with this "belief" about the state. Observation, if prolonged, causes the state of the system to "jump". In this sense, you DO "create your own reality", but the devil, as always, is in the details.

The details are that the resulting state of the system under observation can be more pure, or more chaotic depending on the "direction" of the jump. The direction of the jump depends on how objective - how close to the reality of the actual state - the observation is.

According to EEQT if the expectations of the observer are close to the actual state of the system, the system jumps, more often than not, into more organized, less chaotic state.

If, on the other hand, the expectation of the observer is close to the negation of the actual state (that is when the observer's beliefs are not TRUE according to the ACTUAL state - the objective reality), then the state of the system, typically, will jump into a state that is more chaotic, less organized. Moreover, it will take, as a rule, much longer time to accomplish such a jump.

In other words, if the observer's knowledge of the actual state is close to the truth, then the very act of observation and verification causes a jump quickly, and the resulting state is more organized; pure. If the observer's knowledge of the actual state is false, then it takes usually a long time to cause a change in the state of the system, and the resulting state is more chaotic.

In short, everyone who "believes" in an attempt to "create reality" that is different from what IS, adds to the increase of chaos and entropy. If your beliefs are orthogonal to the truth, no matter how strongly you believe them, you are essentially coming into conflict with how the Universe views itself and I can assure you, you ain't gonna win that contest. You are inviting destruction upon yourself and all who engage in this "staring down the universe" exercise with you.

On the other hand, if you are able to view the Universe as it views itself, objectively, without blinking, and with acceptance of the reality and appropriate responses to how things really are, you then become more "aligned" with the Creative energy of the universe and your very consciousness becomes a transducer of order energy, and your actions are consonant with what is. Your energy of observation, given unconditionally, matched by the appropriate actions, can bring order to chaos, can create out of infinite potential.

[...]

Do you observe the world based on truth, objectivity, as the Universe views itself? That brings life.

Or, do you view the word based on lies, subjectivity, and do you seek to shut-out, control, or force the world to bend to your will?

If so, you have chosen Death.

It is only Truth and actions based on Truth that will restore Life and order to our world.
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Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Aeneas on March 26, 2013, 02:04:43 PM
Well, plague or no plague I have never been surrounded by so many ill people, and with illnesses that linger for so long as I have been this year. I think that I can safely say that about half (if not more) of my clients have or have had strange "colds" that last forever and several have suffered from the flu. I'm also seeing a lot of respiratory problems and constant coughing amongst people who claim not having gotten ill for years.

I have observed the same thing. People that become ill are ill for a long time or they get a relapse.
These past few weeks I have also felt really tired, as others wrote. I keep almost falling asleep behind the computer. I have been taking a lot of naps. :)

The winds over here are very strong and cold. It somehow keeps me on my toes the whole time.

Thanks for the session and all the thoughts. I don't think that I understand half of it, but I am trying.

I too have observed the same thing: A severe "cold/flu" that has persisted and resurfaced in many people around me. I have also had it myself and it was the most severe flu that I have had in a decade or two. But no resurfacing though. Did wonder whether this cold/flu was foreign introduced by some of the many meteors passing by in recent times  :scared:
Would be interested to know if this is a common experience by all members, though it looks like it could be the case. In Switzerland where I live it appears to be the picture and it is also the impression that I get from many French work colleagues.

Thank you for the new session to all who participated and made it possible  :flowers:
Very interesting as always.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Pepebart on March 26, 2013, 02:23:20 PM

Wow, that is a very interesting connection. It also seems to me to be a hint that the only way through this will be to trust in the Universe, and let go of the paranoia attitude of 3d thinking. A small dose of Pronoia often helps when making difficult or scary choices. "When you begin to separate limiting emotions based on assumptions from emotions that open one to unlimited possibilities, that means you are preparing for the next density."

Thanks Carlise, didn't know that 'Pronoia' had a meaning!

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Pronoia is a neologism that is defined as the opposite state of mind as paranoia: having the sense that there is a conspiracy that exists to help the person. It is also used to describe a philosophy that the world is set up to secretly benefit people.

It just hit a bad cord at first because it sounded like "pro-boredom" to my latin ears, but the effect of the session was quite the opposite!

Thanks for the session, just reading the whole thread. I was very intrigued by that word "paean" being connected with Apollo and Stonehenge, and the hint that there isn't really any 'closed system' around, if not into physics books :) The Barcelona conference comes to mind, and a hurry-up call to read and keep translating those transcripts. That's very high density Information!

come down to this session I find virgin and pronoia being discussed a lot, which remind me something that may be helpful to some extense

The gnostic writing "The Secret Book of John (The Apocryphon of John)" , give us an excellent shot on the 2 words and their spiritual origin

from http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/apocjn-davies.html (http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/apocjn-davies.html) :

2nd Chapter "The Inexpressible One" narrate the origin of all things, similar to the The Wave Chapter 26: The Tree of Life on the names of God , or to the teaching of Walter Russell "The Universal One"
then come the 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th chapter "The Origin of Reality" to " Tertiary Structures of the Divine Mind"  where Pronoia appear and the Virgin Spirit, are discussed a lot. quote :

His self-aware thought (ennoia) came into being.
Appearing to him in the effulgence of his light.
She stood before him.

This, then, is the first of the powers, prior to everything.
Arising out of the mind of the Father
The Providence (pronoia) of everything.
Her light reflects His light.

She is from His image in His light
Perfect in power
Image of the invisible perfect Virgin Spirit.[...]


the rest from 7th chapter " A Crisis that Became the World" to the end talk about the creation of 3rd density, the lizards, fall of humanity, creation of Adam, etc..

and the Christian gnosis end with an Hymn spoken by God’s Providence (Pronoia) about this world and how she's hiding herself from the Lizards In this world to save humanity, as the battle STS/STO continue:

The Providence Hymn

I am the Providence of everything.
I became like my own human children.

I existed from the first.
I walked down every possible road.

I am the wealth of the light.
I am the remembering of the fullness.

I walked into the place of greatest darkness and on down.
I entered the central part of the prison.
The foundations of chaos quaked.

I hid because of their evil.
They did not recognize me.

I came down a second time
continuing on.

I emerged from among those of light
I am the remembering of Providence

I entered the middle of darkness,
The inner part of the underworld
To pursue my mission.

The foundations of chaos quaked.
Threatening to collapse upon all who were there
And utterly destroy them

I soared upward again
To my roots in light
So as not to destroy them all yet.

I descended a third time.

I am light
I am dwelling in light
I am the remembering of Providence
 
I entered the midst of darkness
I came to the deepest part of the underworld.

I let my face light up
Thinking of the end of their time
I entered their prison
The body is that prison

I cried out:
“Anyone who hears,
Rise up from your deep sleep!”
 
And the sleeping one awoke and wept
Wiping bitter tears saying
“Who calls me?”
“Where has my hope come from
As I lie in the depths of this prison?”

“I am the Providence of pure light,” I replied,
“I am the thought of the Virgin Spirit
Raising you up to an honored place.
Rise up!
Remember what you have heard.
Trace back your roots
To me.
The merciful one.
Guard against the poverty demons.
Guard against the chaos demons.
Guard against all who would bind you.
Awaken!
Stay awake!
Rise out of the depths of the underworld!

I raised him up
I sealed him with the light/water of the five seals.
Death had no power over him ever again.

I ascend again to the perfect realm.
I completed everything and you have heard it.”
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: MB on March 26, 2013, 03:22:26 PM
...Well, plague or no plague I have never been surrounded by so many ill people, and with illnesses that linger for so long as I have been this year. I think that I can safely say that about half (if not more) of my clients have or have had strange "colds" that last forever and several have suffered from the flu. I'm also seeing a lot of respiratory problems and constant coughing amongst people who claim not having gotten ill for years.

I have come down with two peculiar "colds" in the last year, one last May and another just a few weeks ago. I was in bed for four days each time, and fatigue persisted for several weeks. I am just now returning to normal after the last one -- it really messed with my gut (lower GI), which was doing unusually well beforehand.

I don't know what it is, other than that it is some kind of virus. I don't usually come down with "common" colds any more, but this is not a common cold, whatever it is. Both times I did not have lingering respiratory symptoms afterward, but oh the fatigue.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Navigator on March 26, 2013, 04:05:14 PM
Also, this struck me as interesting:

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Q: (L) We forgot to ask who's with us tonight!

A: Pronoia.

Q: (L) And where do you transmit from?

A: Cassiopaea.

Quote from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pronoia_%28psychology%29
Pronoia is a neologism that is defined as the opposite state of mind as paranoia: having the sense that there is a conspiracy that exists to help the person. It is also used to describe a philosophy that the world is set up to secretly benefit people.

The writer and Electronic Frontier Foundation co-founder John Perry Barlow defined pronoia as "the suspicion the Universe is a conspiracy on your behalf".[1] The academic journal "Social Problems" published an article entitled "Pronoia" by Fred H. Goldner in 1982 (vol 30, pp. 82–91). It received a good deal of publicity at the time including references to it in Psychology Today, The New York Daily News, The Wall Street Journal etc. It described a phenomenon that was the opposite from paranoia and provided numerous examples of specific persons who displayed such characteristics.
[...]
The opening paragraphs of the article describe "a new and contagious cultural virus" and refer to pronoia as "the sneaking feeling one has that others are conspiring behind your back to help you".

Possibly a subtle hint? There's also this from the session:
Quote from: C's
You see, there are those who would seek to block or harm you, and those who stand guard in an energetic sense which is close to the limit of permitted assistance at this point, though that may change along with conditions.

Help is on the way?

Interesting, it makes me wonder if help is already there as it seems like an effort is being done. And if this is true then I wonder if there are other areas/groups that are also receiving it.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Odyssey on March 26, 2013, 05:51:37 PM
Well, plague or no plague I have never been surrounded by so many ill people, and with illnesses that linger for so long as I have been this year. I think that I can safely say that about half (if not more) of my clients have or have had strange "colds" that last forever and several have suffered from the flu. I'm also seeing a lot of respiratory problems and constant coughing amongst people who claim not having gotten ill for years.

I have observed the same thing. People that become ill are ill for a long time or they get a relapse.
These past few weeks I have also felt really tired, as others wrote. I keep almost falling asleep behind the computer. I have been taking a lot of naps. :)

The winds over here are very strong and cold. It somehow keeps me on my toes the whole time.

Thanks for the session and all the thoughts. I don't think that I understand half of it, but I am trying.

I too have observed the same thing: A severe "cold/flu" that has persisted and resurfaced in many people around me. I have also had it myself and it was the most severe flu that I have had in a decade or two. But no resurfacing though. Did wonder whether this cold/flu was foreign introduced by some of the many meteors passing by in recent times  :scared:
Would be interested to know if this is a common experience by all members, though it looks like it could be the case. In Switzerland where I live it appears to be the picture and it is also the impression that I get from many French work colleagues.

Thank you for the new session to all who participated and made it possible  :flowers:
Very interesting as always.

I've had the flu recently and in the last couple of days I feel like I'm fighting off a cold.  All this happened even with the liposomal C and I very rarely get sick at all.  I've been fatigued lately too.

Very interesting session, as always. :)
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Richard S on March 26, 2013, 06:38:04 PM
Well, plague or no plague I have never been surrounded by so many ill people, and with illnesses that linger for so long as I have been this year. I think that I can safely say that about half (if not more) of my clients have or have had strange "colds" that last forever and several have suffered from the flu. I'm also seeing a lot of respiratory problems and constant coughing amongst people who claim not having gotten ill for years.

I have observed the same thing. People that become ill are ill for a long time or they get a relapse.
These past few weeks I have also felt really tired, as others wrote. I keep almost falling asleep behind the computer. I have been taking a lot of naps. :)

The winds over here are very strong and cold. It somehow keeps me on my toes the whole time.

Thanks for the session and all the thoughts. I don't think that I understand half of it, but I am trying.

I too have observed the same thing: A severe "cold/flu" that has persisted and resurfaced in many people around me. I have also had it myself and it was the most severe flu that I have had in a decade or two. But no resurfacing though. Did wonder whether this cold/flu was foreign introduced by some of the many meteors passing by in recent times  :scared:
Would be interested to know if this is a common experience by all members, though it looks like it could be the case. In Switzerland where I live it appears to be the picture and it is also the impression that I get from many French work colleagues.

Thank you for the new session to all who participated and made it possible  :flowers:
Very interesting as always.

Well, in November I got a head cold which moved down into my chest and then caused pneumonia and three days in the hospital in December.  A month ago I got a relapse of the cold which moved down into my chest again, but am now gradually recovering and hope to be back to normal soon.  I hope this is it for now as I am not looking forward to another stay in the hospital. 

I also know of quite a few co-workers who have had intractable colds in the last few months.  It does seem to be more than the usual amount and severity.  Hard to say what is causing this phenomena, but it appears something unusual is going on.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Tigersoap on March 26, 2013, 07:43:09 PM
Last week, I had all the symptoms of a cold (but not developing) and intense fatigue but it went away as quickly as it started.  FWIW.

And thank you for the session !
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Keit on March 26, 2013, 08:25:48 PM
Well, in November I got a head cold which moved down into my chest and then caused pneumonia and three days in the hospital in December.  A month ago I got a relapse of the cold which moved down into my chest again, but am now gradually recovering and hope to be back to normal soon.  I hope this is it for now as I am not looking forward to another stay in the hospital. 

Yeah, I also contracted pneumonia and was in the hospital for two weeks last October, and since then several minor colds, including now. It can be a combination of various factors, like lot of students going home for holidays and bringing back different strains, low temperatures, moist air and lack of sleep, but even if I don't have a strong immune system, it does seem like a lot. Well, it could be something in the air, but C's also talked about the importance of psychic hygiene, personal vulnerabilities, mental, emotional, etc. that could act like an opening to a virus or an infection, so this probably should be taken into account as well. But maybe each case is different.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: HifromGrace on March 26, 2013, 08:48:14 PM
Thank you for sharing Forrestdeva, your comment and insight is appreciated.  We don't know one another, but I'm glad you're here. 

Wishing you well, and I hope your recovery was/is without complications.

Take care, Grace 


Having recovered recently from Pneumonia and having two near death experiences associated with it, it dawned on me that all I've done to "prepare" had been all 3D thinking, based on fear. Walked out of the pantry one day thinking this energy spent in acquiring all this food is worthless. Knowing now that what matters is that every part of my being on every level must be aligned to STO, even though I know we are all STS here, but for future, so that we can graduate to 4D and be STO. In the parable  the Virgins made a choice, not to fill their lamps, some did fill the lamps. In agreement that we need to be aware and in so being we also need to make choices that will matter for us, to have a future.  With ease I could have slipped away, right out of this body. For weeks now I've pondered if I'd be prepared to go to 4D STO.  Action and work are important right up until the end, yes as others have commented here in these post it is surely knowledge, and work are something that has to be decided within each individual, something that can not be given by another.  Remembering what the C's said once about if we did not graduate this time that we'd be like cavemen looking out on a red smoke filled sky. What would a few cans of green beans serve me in such an environment? So perhaps being "prepared' is aligning our selves to STO.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: waverider 9 on March 26, 2013, 08:54:09 PM
Well, plague or no plague I have never been surrounded by so many ill people, and with illnesses that linger for so long as I have been this year. I think that I can safely say that about half (if not more) of my clients have or have had strange "colds" that last forever and several have suffered from the flu. I'm also seeing a lot of respiratory problems and constant coughing amongst people who claim not having gotten ill for years.


I also, have observed this - two month long flu or cold only to have it reappear days or weeks later with co-workers, friends etc.  I personally have been amazed at the past twenty years for myself, that the more aware/awakened I have become, the more knowledge that I gain, has eliminated nearly all illness, headaches, migraines, allergies, rashes.  This did not occur to me until maybe two years ago.  The worst that has happened was a two day "sniffle" that was just that. . ."a sniffle" with no other accompanied symptoms. 

Thank you Laura and Chateau Crew for this unexpected session - I have been busy reading, reading, reading for the past several months, so I do not check the forum out too often.  The message from the C's mirrored my own recent conclusions for I too have been pondering what "be prepared" means.   I have come to the realization that it perhaps means somewhat physically, but more mentally and spiritually prepared.   We must take our own "Ark" which is the accumulation and embodiment of all of our knowledge and prepare for the "flood" of epic proportions.  My physical preparations are minimal because I do not feel as if that type of preparation is necessary.

Jeffery
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Medulin on March 26, 2013, 09:00:20 PM
Great session.
One weird thing though: I didn't come across it here, directly on forum (I had missed it somehow),
but I found it by googling   corrupt scientists + laura knight. There was the new Laura's site, and a link to the newest session.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Bear on March 26, 2013, 10:43:24 PM
Well, in November I got a head cold which moved down into my chest and then caused pneumonia and three days in the hospital in December.  A month ago I got a relapse of the cold which moved down into my chest again, but am now gradually recovering and hope to be back to normal soon.  I hope this is it for now as I am not looking forward to another stay in the hospital. 

Yeah, I also contracted pneumonia and was in the hospital for two weeks last October, and since then several minor colds, including now. It can be a combination of various factors, like lot of students going home for holidays and bringing back different strains, low temperatures, moist air and lack of sleep, but even if I don't have a strong immune system, it does seem like a lot. Well, it could be something in the air, but C's also talked about the importance of psychic hygiene, personal vulnerabilities, mental, emotional, etc. that could act like an opening to a virus or an infection, so this probably should be taken into account as well. But maybe each case is different.

In early or mid December a couple of people at my work got pneumonia and I became sick as well with what was probably pneumonia.  I didn't go to the doctor, but probably should have.  I used heavy doses of liposomal Vit C (around 8 to 16 g a day) and the coughing etc finally broke and I recovered in about 2 weeks.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Aeneas on March 26, 2013, 10:52:56 PM
Regarding preparedness, I think that it is also about preparing our psyche to what is coming. If I remember correctly then the C's mentioned somewhere about the importance of preparing our soul for what is about to happen so as to lessen the trauma that such an event will have on the soul regardless of whether the person survives the event or not. For that reason too is it necessary to follow the news, understand as much as possible about our reality such as psychopathy, read and reflect on the books that Laura and the crew at the chateau have made available and then there is of course the SOTT reading list. The more illusions are seen, the more of reality is revealed and the less of a shock will a cataclysmic event have.

While talking to my brother about this thing and what he termed action paralysis, I got reminded of the time in the army. We would be doing a lot of drilling or military parade, as I can see is the English word for it. There is something written about it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_parade

Here is a little bit about the rationale

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A military drill is memorizing certain actions through repetition until the action is instinctive to the soldiers being drilled. Complex actions are broken down into simpler ones which can be practised in isolation so when the whole is put together the desired results are achieved. Such is necessary for a fighting force to perform at maximum efficiency in all manner of situations. However, depending on the army and the drills it adopts drilling may destroy flexibility and initiative in exchange for predictability and cohesion.

But we were also told that it had another reason, namely in the case of extreme battlestress due to a very traumatic event. The event itself would cause the soldiers to be paralyzed and unable to act. There were several stories of platoons of soldiers being "saved" from this paralyzing effect by their leader starting to drill his troops together again. Having learned it instinctively the soldiers performed the actions and after a while the leader was able to get his soldiers to act and think again and out of the danger zone.

Reading "The life beyond the veil" from QFG, I remember several stories in it about souls having to wait a long time in 5th density before they were ready to reincarnate as they were to traumatized to process the life experiences of the former life. So whether we are moving to 4th, 5th (dead dudes area) or stay in 3rd density, then to be prepared probably entails acquiring accurate knowledge of what is likely to happen so as to lessen the likely trauma.

As a side note, I wondered at the time of reading the book "The life beyond the veil", how the C's would rate the book and what it says. I found it quite inspiring and uplifting.




Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Paragon on March 26, 2013, 10:55:18 PM
Thank you for the session, Laura and Team  :)
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: ajseph 21 on March 26, 2013, 11:51:05 PM
I guess when it comes to preparing we have to look at objective reality. How can starvation help us be STO? Remember Pavlov's dogs and how you can break them through health. I don't believe we have to be like survivalists and dedicate our lives to storing supplies, but having nothing at all may not be prudent. After all the C's have said about plagues and famine, I think its wise to prepare accordingly while not obsessing over it. The soul is what matters and with the Work ongoing in these perilous times food isn't something you want to have to beg for IMHO. Try preparing physically and spiritually and, if possible, not dropping one for the other because STO is balance.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: andi on March 27, 2013, 12:07:15 AM
I also had the flue, the worst to date. Also all of my friends and family had/have it. They said it was the longest they've experienced.
Thank you for the session as well.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Corvinus on March 27, 2013, 12:33:33 AM
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Oh goody, another session -- thanks! The comments about science being the blind leading the blind aren't too surprising (the more you study it, the less "scientific" it looks), but the inference that it is literally caused by the purposes to which science has been applied is certainly interesting.

More like greedy leading the greedy, but it is a form of blindness in a way.

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Thank you for the session! Very interesting. I also wonder about what being prepared really means. I tend to think in 3D terms such as stocking up on food, water, tobacco, vinegar, garlic, etc. 

Maybe being yourself will make you be in right situation and right place. In that way it is maybe not so important having stockpiled food because someone with all his survivalist preparations can be very easily in wrong place and wrong time. It does not work that way. Also to much fear for physical existence can easily turn you in a wrong way, missing the whole point. About being ready what does it really means. Think it depends from person to person but that it is like being in love, no one else can know for you but your own self based on the work done. But also people tend to exaggerate they need to read whole lots of books, having tones of knowledge which is helpful but of no importance if one is not willing to use it.

I think little day to day things define you because you do not need some extra large knowledge to progress, it is enough to know difference between positive and negative actions and act on it. Knowledge of self is that which is most important, and everyone is on different path in that way and everybody is different. Someone can have very wide knowledge, developed intellectual center but he lacks will, other can have less knowledge but more will and instinctual nature and progress more.  Think that work on self (practical application) is core thing for graduation, having knowledge of other areas works as a catalyst and bonus. Many people tend to concentrate on this outer areas and miss the core thing which is the hardest part. Either way it brings hope there is still time to make it, probably thanks to wave that cut the effort needed in half because you would need whole lifetime or more of hard work which I am not saying is not already done by some in previous lives.

About the parable of virgins do not think it has to do with food storing and such because it was said to those 5 that did not have enough oil that the Kingdom is closed for them. Person who did necessary work on self and did not have food supplies would incarnate in Kingdom in next life, because the work is important not concentrating on physical. And I think that those 5 that did not make it asked from 5 that did make it to do the work for them which is of course impossible. Maybe lack of will, faith and having knowledge but waiting for something, thinking you have time and not doing enough(I am no exception here).


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For that reason too is it necessary to follow the news, understand as much as possible about our reality such as psychopathy, read and reflect on the books that Laura and the crew at the chateau have made available and then there is of course the SOTT reading list. The more illusions are seen, the more of reality is revealed and the less of a shock will a cataclysmic event have..

I think that work on self is that which is most important and having a stable emotional center is that which will make less trauma which needs constant consciousness of your mental state and emotional state. Reading about something that is going to happen is essential to take appropriate actions to prepare but reading will not prepare you for trauma. That is like soldiers reading a book about war and then going to war. In reality they play games but  then got blown up and see that it is not like in video game. There is a HUGE difference in reading about experience and experiencing it. Adrenaline, fear, nervousness, confusion, etc... nothing can really prepare you for that experience but the experience itself that no one on the planet has (at least consciously) because it is a one way ticket experience like death. But strong psyche is the key to bearing it, and the key to strong psyche is  mental consciousness, knowledge of afterlife is comforting but gets easily lost in emotional rush when in trauma situations.


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That is what I think too. USA, Israel or surrounding area. Didn't C's once said that PTB will not succeed in their plans of attacking and destroying Iran because weather or Earth changes will spoil their plans? Maybe this is one part of the picture.

USA is going bye, bye. History repeats itself. Sad, very sad story that the most humanity will end this way.

Thanks for session.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Galaxia2002 on March 27, 2013, 03:03:36 AM
Thanks for the session chateau! I find the next fragment where the EE as synchronizer agent  seems to be very important:

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Session 28 November 2009

[...] (I**) What about these New Agey people who are so excited about the wave without any knowledge about it. And there is kind of anticipation...

A: If they want to surf the wave  they must work to get ready, they must do the EIRIU EOLAS program to get in synch. A lot of little personal wavelets or ripples won't change anything. That is what 4D STS knows and why they seek to engender divisiveness. It is also not worth the risk of being smashed by hidden negative emotions, so best to get on with getting them cleared. Better safe than sorry!!!!


Very interesting the info about comets being attracted by certain groups of persons. I am speculating that in a spiritual way the driving force to make that happened is not the "negativity" of the evil of that group as is commonly  understood, that's subjective,  but a more objective way of seeing it in my opinion is that group of people or certain individuals are preventing (in any imaginable way)  the development of lessons that are provided for others, maybe unique ones that can only are developed under strict conditions. Lessons are sacred for the universe,  and when that is hindered something is made to return  the balance.

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Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Galaxia2002 on March 27, 2013, 03:29:18 AM
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I think that work on self is that which is most important and having a stable emotional center is that which will make less trauma which needs constant consciousness of your mental state and emotional state. Reading about something that is going to happen is essential to take appropriate actions to prepare but reading will not prepare you for trauma. That is like soldiers reading a book about war and then going to war. In reality they play games but  then got blown up and see that it is not like in video game. There is a HUGE difference in reading about experience and experiencing it. Adrenaline, fear, nervousness, confusion, etc... nothing can really prepare you for that experience but the experience itself that no one on the planet has (at least consciously) because it is a one way ticket experience like death. But strong psyche is the key to bearing it, and the key to strong psyche is  mental consciousness, knowledge of afterlife is comforting but gets easily lost in emotional rush when in trauma situations.

Convinus you are missing the point of anticipation. Frequently things not just happen "out there" but are connected with the observer/s and if you  get ahead to  a likely negative event in the right way, get awareness of it,  the simple fact of contemplate that could "mitigate" the effect of that event, transforming or inhibit it.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: celestialvisionz on March 27, 2013, 03:59:49 AM
     I hope you have some more sessions coming up again*
          *A Wonderful Thank You to the C-team for all that they do*
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: SeekinTruth on March 27, 2013, 05:30:53 AM
As many others have mentioned, there are A LOT of people constantly sick (most with respiratory problems) all around us in the last few months. Also, they keep mentioning this in the news. I've also read over the same period several forum members mentioning similar things. So far, no one in my family has come down with anything at all. We eat very high animal fat and meat only diet. I especially eat consistently about 80% of daily calories as animal fat (where my brother and mother fluctuate from about 65% to 75%). My brother and I also smoke a lot, and I think all that is a big part of the reason why we haven't gotten sick. FWIW.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: JGeropoulas on March 27, 2013, 06:01:38 AM
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Q: (Belibaste) So if a group of individuals acquires, stores, information that is orthogonal to truth, i.e. lies, will this fact of acquiring information that is orthogonal to truth increase the attraction to meteorites or cometary bodies?

A: Yes

This is a fascinating concept which provides scientific insight into the mystical "judgement day" that's central to Christianity and other religions.  It brought to mind an ancient quote I read a few years ago attributed to Hermes Trismegistus. 

Wikipedia says that according to the early fathers of the Christian church, Hermes Trismegistus was either, a contemporary of Moses or the third in a line of men named Hermes, i.e. Enoch, Noah and the Egyptian priest king Hermes Trismegistus (which means, "triple great”—he was not only a philosopher, but a priest and king as well).

Other authorities regard him as a contemporary of Abraham, and some Jewish traditions claim that Abraham acquired a portion of his mystical knowledge from Hermes himself.

His prophetic view of the “final days of the world” seems to describe the psychopath-infested world we’re living in.  The phrases I’ve put in bold seem especially relevant to comets honing in on negative energy:

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       In the final days of the world, the religious man will be thought mad; the ungodly man will be hailed as a sage; savage men will be deemed valiant; the evil-hearted will be applauded as the best of men. The Soul, and everything related thereto will be but matters for ridicule, and will be esteemed foolishness.

     There will even be peril of death, believe me, for those who remain faithful to religion and intelligence. New rights will be instituted, new laws, nor will there be left one holy word, one sacred belief, religious and worthy of heaven and of celestial things…Then there will remain only evil demons who will mingle themselves with the miserable human race, their hand will be upon it impelling to all kinds of wicked enterprise; to war, to rapine, to falsehood, to everything contrary to the nature of the soul.

     The earth will no longer be in equilibrium, the sea will no longer be navigable, in the heavens the regular course of the stars will be troubled. Every holy voice will be condemned to silence; the fruits of the earth will become corrupt, and she will be no more fertile; the very air will sink into a dismal stagnancy. Such will be the old age of the world; irreligion and disorder, lawlessness, and the confusion of good men.

     When all these things shall be accomplished, then the Lord and Father, the sovereign God who rules the wide world, beholding the evil ways and actions of men, will arrest these misfortunes by the exercise of His divine will and goodness.
 
     And, in order to put an end to error and to the general corruption, He will destroy the world by wars and epidemics, then consume it by fire.

Thereafter He will restore to it its primitive beauty
; so that once more it shall appear worthy of admiration and worship.


Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: JGeropoulas on March 27, 2013, 06:54:26 AM
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A: Yes. But scientists have been blinded by being led by the blind!

Q: (L) Hmm. So you say, "Scientists have been blinded by being led by the blind." Do you mean that...

Just saw Rupert Sheldrake has a new book out along those lines (emphasis throughout is mine):

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The bestselling author offers an intriguing new assessment of modern day science that will radically change the way we view what is possible.

In Science Set Free (originally published to acclaim in the UK as The Science Delusion), Dr. Rupert Sheldrake, one of the world's most innovative scientists, shows the ways in which science is being constricted by assumptions that have, over the years, hardened into dogmas. Such dogmas are not only limiting, but dangerous for the future of humanity.
 
According to these [constricted, limiting] principles, all of reality is material or physical; the world is a machine, made up of inanimate matter; nature is purposeless; consciousness is nothing but the physical activity of the brain; free will is an illusion; God exists only as an idea in human minds, imprisoned within our skulls; DNA is a more powerful force than thought in shaping human beings.
 
But should science be a belief-system, or a method of enquiry? Sheldrake shows that the materialist ideology is moribund; under its sway, increasingly expensive research is reaping diminishing returns while societies around the world are paying the price.
 
In the skeptical spirit of true science, Sheldrake turns the ten fundamental dogmas of materialism into exciting questions, and shows how all of them open up startling new possibilities for discovery.
 
Science Set Free will radically change your view of what is real and what is possible.
--  TheEpochTimes(dot)com book review

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DR. RUPERT SHELDRAKE is a biologist and author of more than 80 technical papers and ten books, including A New Science of Life and Dogs That Know When Their Owners Come Home. He was a Fellow of Clare College, Cambridge, where he was Director of Studies in cell biology, and also was a Research Fellow of the Royal Society. From 2005-2010, he was the Director of the Perrott-Warrick Project for research on unexplained human abilities, funded from Trinity College, Cambridge. He is currently a Fellow of the Institute of Noetic Sciences in California, and a Visiting Professor at the Graduate Institute in Connecticut. He is married, has two sons, and lives in London. His web site is www.sheldrake.org.
-- Amazon

I've always found this concept fascinating, but even more so now considering it's possible relevance to our "group" here on the Forum.

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"Morphic field" is a term introduced by Sheldrake. He proposes that there is a field within and around a "morphic unit" which organizes its characteristic structure and pattern of activity.[19] According to Sheldrake, the "morphic field" underlies the formation and behaviour of "holons" and "morphic units", and can be set up by the repetition of similar acts or thoughts.

The hypothesis is that a particular form belonging to a certain group, which has already established its (collective) "morphic field", will tune into that "morphic field". The particular form will read the collective information through the process of "morphic resonance", using it to guide its own development. This development of the particular form will then provide, again through "morphic resonance", a feedback to the "morphic field" of that group, thus strengthening it with its own experience, resulting in new information being added (i.e. stored in the database). Sheldrake regards the "morphic fields" as a universal database for both organic (genetic) and abstract (mental) forms. -- Wikipedia
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Shijing on March 27, 2013, 07:37:48 AM
Just saw Rupert Sheldrake has a new book out along those lines [...]

There's a thread on it here: http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,26625.0.html
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Mikey on March 27, 2013, 08:39:32 AM
Remembering what the C's said once about if we did not graduate this time that we'd be like cavemen looking out on a red smoke filled sky. What would a few cans of green beans serve me in such an environment? So perhaps being "prepared' is aligning our selves to STO.

A very good point. Canning and being physically prepared is not good or bad in absolute terms, it depends on the circumstance. I think the preparedness we are talking about here is all-embracing in as many areas as possible.

Also, when I read 'See/C' you soon, Carbon came into my mind, and DNA by extension. Talking about the effect of the wave ?

A: See/C you soon!

I wonder what kinds of songs those were and how "high" were the notes. Did they use any type of instruments (or implements), etc. And since Stonehenge is implicated in all of this, did the worshippers also use similar sounds there? Funny thought that - but did the songs activate anything by any chance?

C also could stand for "Cassiopaeans". I personally understand it as a funny play on words, but as usual there is probably more to it.

I've enjoyed this forum even though I haven't had the chance to meet people face to face. So my question is this...whether or not it is 4D or 5D, will it be difficult to maintain contact with this group?

It may have something to do with "chakra connection" due to a higher form of networking, as Laura wrote earlier. Gurdjieff wrote that being in physical contact with persons and "mixing blood" would form astral connections beyond the physical bodies. However, we know that Gurdjieff saw everything as "substance", even knowlege, so we may need to correct for this bias a bit. Here is his take on the "Last Supper":

Quote from: ISOTM
"To understand what took place at the Last Supper it is first of all necessary to know certain laws.

"You remember what I said about the 'astral body'? Let us go over it briefly. People who have an 'astral body' can communicate with one another at a distance without having recourse to ordinary physical means. But for such communication to be possible they must establish some 'connection' between them. For this purpose when going to different places or different countries people sometimes take with them something belonging to another, especially things that have been in contact with his body and are permeated with his emanations, and so on. In the same way, in order to maintain a connection with a dead person, his friends used to keep objects which had belonged to him. These things leave, as it were, a trace behind them, something like invisible wires or threads which remain stretched out through space. These threads connect a given object with the person, living or in certain cases dead, to whom the object belonged. Men have known this from the remotest antiquity and have made various uses of this knowledge.

"Traces of it may be found among the customs of many peoples. You know, for instance, that several nations have the custom of blood-brotherhood. Two men, or several men, mix their blood together in the same cup and then drink from this cup. After that they are regarded as brothers by blood. But the origin of this custom lies deeper. In its origin it was a magical ceremony for establishing a connection between 'astral bodies.' Blood has special qualities. And certain peoples, for instance the Jews, ascribed a special significance of magical properties to blood. Now, you see, if a connection between 'astral bodies' had been established, then again according to the beliefs of certain nations it is not broken by death.

If we don't interpret the "Body and Blood of Christ" too literally, it maybe means the knowledge that he imparted, which was a kind of 'nourishment' for others?

The foolish virgins had not done their due didligence and were thus dependent on others. Given the time and circumstances, others couldn't help them - and it was too late for the foolish to succeed in helping themselves.

The mention of the Virgins is also well in line with Ark's Annual I Ching Reading - 2013 (https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,30070.0.html) where one of the changing lines read (Wilhelm's translation):

Quote from: _http://www.ichingfortune.com/hexagrams/20.php
Six at the beginning means: Boy like contemplation. For an inferior man, no blame. For a superior man, humiliation.
This means contemplation from a distance, without comprehension. A man of influence is at hand, abut his influence is not understood by the common people. This matters little in the case of the masses, for they benefit by the actions of the ruling sage whether they understand them or not. But for a superior man it is a disgrace. He must not content himself with a shallow, thoughtless view of prevailing forces; he must contemplate them as a connected whole and try to understand them.

Anart's interpretation of this changing line is also a very good pointer IMO:

Regarding the moving lines, it's reminiscent of what Gurdjieff said regarding what is expected of people who have done no work on themselves - nothing is expected, but from those who have worked on themselves, much is expected.  Apparently this year will give much cause for contemplation and there will be those capable of that on a deep level and those that are not - those who are capable of it and actually do it will have 'no blame'.  Just a thought...

I am intrigued by the offhand dismissal about asking a question or questions concerning the new pope.
Given that the whereabouts of many public figures have been the subject of questions to the Cs, it's almost natural to inquire about the changes that might come about as a result of this particular situation that the Catholic Church is experiencing, since no small influence is exerted by this organization on the socio-political landscape of the BBM.

I think that the new pope won't be much different from the other ones. "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss." It's a repetitive pattern that is well-known from politics, so I guess it was not that interesting to ask about it.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: sitting on March 27, 2013, 12:08:40 PM

A: Just wait for the next one! That one will be a doozie! And it has "friends!"


I'm wondering if these "friends" are simply more comets, or more comets plus...like spaceships.

Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Tomek on March 27, 2013, 12:32:47 PM

A: Just wait for the next one! That one will be a doozie! And it has "friends!"


I'm wondering if these "friends" are simply more comets, or more comets plus...like spaceships.
In this context, and regarding the informations available in Laura's last book, it's likely that the C's were refering to comets, maybe a swarm, and probably carrying pathogen elements :

Quote from:  Session 23 March 2013
Q: (L) Okay. (Andromeda) Past comet streams? (L) So in other words, if we factor in what we know from the science of, say, Victor Clube and Bill Napier, plus observations we make, plus historical records, etc. and signs, we can figure out that something is probably fairly imminent. That would be my best guess. My thought is that if we don't get a plague from this one that exploded over Russia, we will from the next one. That's my best guess.

A: Good guess!
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Antony on March 27, 2013, 01:25:05 PM
Hi!
I am a newbie to this forum, but have been reading the cass material for a couple of years.

Interesting session indeed. Thanks Laura and Team! A lot to think about for everyone.

In the context of the recent Russian (Chelyabinsk) "denatured comet" - there is a famous video of the event. When it is slowed down, it shows something (UFO like) striking that comet and its pieces coming off. Here is the link to the russian news site http://www.newsru.com/russia/20feb2013/belimov.html (scroll down and play it).
After looking at it, seems like the purpose of that action was to break down the solid structure of its body, therefore minimising the impact damage.

I don't know whether this aspect of the topic was discussed here already, but IMHO it leads to some intriguing questions: What was that? If UFO - STS or STO forces craft? What was the real reason behind it?
Just as a thought - if it was an STS craft, our lizzies/grays and Co. friends  :evil:, when the "time comes", may announce themselves as human saviours  :halo: and trick people into following them during the possible "evacuation" as it happened before with some civilizations.     

Sorry for my russkyi-english!
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Caladhiel on March 27, 2013, 02:01:49 PM
Hello Antony,

You would soon be propounded to introduce yourself in the newbie section. 
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: MB on March 27, 2013, 02:35:01 PM
Just saw Rupert Sheldrake has a new book out along those lines [...]

There's a thread on it here: http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,26625.0.html

Yes, apparently the title is Science Set Free in the US and The Science Delusion in GB, or something like that. I have been listening to the audiobook. Wonderful stuff.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: tschai on March 27, 2013, 03:01:38 PM
Remembering what the C's said once about if we did not graduate this time that we'd be like cavemen looking out on a red smoke filled sky. What would a few cans of green beans serve me in such an environment? So perhaps being "prepared' is aligning our selves to STO.

A very good point. Canning and being physically prepared is not good or bad in absolute terms, it depends on the circumstance. I think the preparedness we are talking about here is all-embracing in as many areas as possible.

Also, when I read 'See/C' you soon, Carbon came into my mind, and DNA by extension. Talking about the effect of the wave ?

A: See/C you soon!

I wonder what kinds of songs those were and how "high" were the notes. Did they use any type of instruments (or implements), etc. And since Stonehenge is implicated in all of this, did the worshippers also use similar sounds there? Funny thought that - but did the songs activate anything by any chance?

C also could stand for "Cassiopaeans". I personally understand it as a funny play on words, but as usual there is probably more to it.

I've enjoyed this forum even though I haven't had the chance to meet people face to face. So my question is this...whether or not it is 4D or 5D, will it be difficult to maintain contact with this group?

It may have something to do with "chakra connection" due to a higher form of networking, as Laura wrote earlier. Gurdjieff wrote that being in physical contact with persons and "mixing blood" would form astral connections beyond the physical bodies. However, we know that Gurdjieff saw everything as "substance", even knowlege, so we may need to correct for this bias a bit. Here is his take on the "Last Supper":

Quote from: ISOTM
"To understand what took place at the Last Supper it is first of all necessary to know certain laws.

"You remember what I said about the 'astral body'? Let us go over it briefly. People who have an 'astral body' can communicate with one another at a distance without having recourse to ordinary physical means. But for such communication to be possible they must establish some 'connection' between them. For this purpose when going to different places or different countries people sometimes take with them something belonging to another, especially things that have been in contact with his body and are permeated with his emanations, and so on. In the same way, in order to maintain a connection with a dead person, his friends used to keep objects which had belonged to him. These things leave, as it were, a trace behind them, something like invisible wires or threads which remain stretched out through space. These threads connect a given object with the person, living or in certain cases dead, to whom the object belonged. Men have known this from the remotest antiquity and have made various uses of this knowledge.

"Traces of it may be found among the customs of many peoples. You know, for instance, that several nations have the custom of blood-brotherhood. Two men, or several men, mix their blood together in the same cup and then drink from this cup. After that they are regarded as brothers by blood. But the origin of this custom lies deeper. In its origin it was a magical ceremony for establishing a connection between 'astral bodies.' Blood has special qualities. And certain peoples, for instance the Jews, ascribed a special significance of magical properties to blood. Now, you see, if a connection between 'astral bodies' had been established, then again according to the beliefs of certain nations it is not broken by death.

If we don't interpret the "Body and Blood of Christ" too literally, it maybe means the knowledge that he imparted, which was a kind of 'nourishment' for others?

The foolish virgins had not done their due didligence and were thus dependent on others. Given the time and circumstances, others couldn't help them - and it was too late for the foolish to succeed in helping themselves.

The mention of the Virgins is also well in line with Ark's Annual I Ching Reading - 2013 (https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,30070.0.html) where one of the changing lines read (Wilhelm's translation):

Quote from: _http://www.ichingfortune.com/hexagrams/20.php
Six at the beginning means: Boy like contemplation. For an inferior man, no blame. For a superior man, humiliation.
This means contemplation from a distance, without comprehension. A man of influence is at hand, abut his influence is not understood by the common people. This matters little in the case of the masses, for they benefit by the actions of the ruling sage whether they understand them or not. But for a superior man it is a disgrace. He must not content himself with a shallow, thoughtless view of prevailing forces; he must contemplate them as a connected whole and try to understand them.

Anart's interpretation of this changing line is also a very good pointer IMO:

Regarding the moving lines, it's reminiscent of what Gurdjieff said regarding what is expected of people who have done no work on themselves - nothing is expected, but from those who have worked on themselves, much is expected.  Apparently this year will give much cause for contemplation and there will be those capable of that on a deep level and those that are not - those who are capable of it and actually do it will have 'no blame'.  Just a thought...

I am intrigued by the offhand dismissal about asking a question or questions concerning the new pope.
Given that the whereabouts of many public figures have been the subject of questions to the Cs, it's almost natural to inquire about the changes that might come about as a result of this particular situation that the Catholic Church is experiencing, since no small influence is exerted by this organization on the socio-political landscape of the BBM.

I think that the new pope won't be much different from the other ones. "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss." It's a repetitive pattern that is well-known from politics, so I guess it was not that interesting to ask about it.

Interesting point where Gurdjieff considers everything as matter including knowledge- this from ISOTM:

"There are periods in the life of humanity, which generally coincide with the
beginning of the fall of cultures and civilizations, when the masses irretrievably lose
their reason and begin to destroy everything that has been created by centuries and
millenniums of culture. Such periods of mass madness, often coinciding with
geological cataclysms, climatic changes, and similar phenomena of a planetary
character
, release a very great quantity of the matter of knowledge. This, in its turn,
necessitates the work of collecting this matter of knowledge which would otherwise
be lost. Thus the work of collecting scattered matter of knowledge frequently
coincides with the beginning of the destruction and fall of cultures and civilizations.

Seems to coincide quite nicely with the topic-perhaps "being prepared" relates as many have stated to gathering knowledge in all forms
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Niall on March 27, 2013, 03:31:15 PM
Quote from: Antony
After looking at it, seems like the purpose of that action was to break down the solid structure of its body, therefore minimising the impact damage.

Why do you assume there is 'purpose' behind it? Sure, there may be purpose in a grand cosmic sense, as in a warning to humanity, but it is wishful thinking to believe that 'divine intervention' by aliens saved humanity on 15 February.

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I don't know whether this aspect of the topic was discussed here already, but IMHO it leads to some intriguing questions: What was that? If UFO - STS or STO forces craft? What was the real reason behind it?

This is just part of the same disinformation that says an alien mothership was inside or directed comets Hale-Bopp and Elenin. There certainly could be something etheral about comets and fireballs, but far too many fantastic leaps of assumption are made by people suggesting that aliens are directing these celestial objects. We can't know such a thing.

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Just as a thought - if it was an STS craft, our lizzies/grays and Co. friends  :evil:, when the "time comes", may announce themselves as human saviours  :halo: and trick people into following them during the possible "evacuation" as it happened before with some civilizations.     

What if this has already happened, except the 'aliens' are actually psychopaths?
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Corvinus on March 27, 2013, 03:55:22 PM
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Convinus you are missing the point of anticipation. Frequently things not just happen "out there" but are connected with the observer/s and if you  get ahead to  a likely negative event in the right way, get awareness of it,  the simple fact of contemplate that could "mitigate" the effect of that event, transforming or inhibit it.

That was my point when I said having strong psyche and mental preparedness is a key to bearing it, that is to "mitigate". I agree that sometimes you can inhibit some situations but this one you can't because it is worldwide event and it is not everyday event, you do not see everyday end of the humanity, and seeing people die and changing your environment (honestly you do not know what you are going to experience even if you have knowledge of transformation) is a traumatic experience. Even in the transcripts it is said that it will be traumatic and that knowledge can only make it less traumatic, but non the less traumatic. Maybe they were referring to not losing your marbles because you know what is happening which would not be the case with not knowing what is happening. Comes to my mind when they said that some that are abducted and are put back in wrong time frame, prior to experience and have perception of double experience, lose their marbles.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Laura on March 27, 2013, 03:59:34 PM

In the context of the recent Russian (Chelyabinsk) "denatured comet" - there is a famous video of the event. When it is slowed down, it shows something (UFO like) striking that comet and its pieces coming off. Here is the link to the russian news site http://www.newsru.com/russia/20feb2013/belimov.html (scroll down and play it).
After looking at it, seems like the purpose of that action was to break down the solid structure of its body, therefore minimising the impact damage.

If you go through the thread discussing the explosion, you'll find the origins of that video and discussion about it.  What you are seeing is the electrical activity of a cosmic body interacting with the charged layers of earth's atmosphere.  There's nothing weird about it at all.  It wasn't something striking the body, but rather explosive electrical arcing.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Graalsword on March 27, 2013, 05:31:59 PM
I discovered that my reply to this thread written last sunday disappeared :O

I will reproduce it from memory:

Thanks for sharing this new session, great and interesting as always

Quote from: C's
A: Yes. Please put all former clues together for ballpark figure, keeping in mind that the universe is open thus there will always be variables.

Q: (L) Okay. (Andromeda) Past comet streams? (L) So in other words, if we factor in what we know from the science of, say, Victor Clube and Bill Napier, plus observations we make, plus historical records, etc. and signs, we can figure out that something is probably fairly imminent. That would be my best guess. My thought is that if we don't get a plague from this one that exploded over Russia, we will from the next one. That's my best guess.

A: Good guess!

We also have the "5D city on the hill" previous clue to keep in mind.  With the number of fireballs over the northeast this last month, one wonders...

June has been a time of several fireballs through history, maybe the next one is in late June?
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Mrs. Peel on March 27, 2013, 07:50:10 PM
Hello Antony,

You would soon be propounded to introduce yourself in the newbie section.

Well, I'll do the "propounding" then.   :)  I also noticed one or two other first time posters in this thread so I'll address all of you.

Hello, and welcome to the Forum!  It is customary for newbies to write a short paragraph of introduction in the Newbies section, and tell a little bit about yourself and how you found your way here.  You can check and see how others have done it here:

http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/board,39.0.html

 :welcome:
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: no-mans-land on March 27, 2013, 08:29:37 PM

In the context of the recent Russian (Chelyabinsk) "denatured comet" - there is a famous video of the event. When it is slowed down, it shows something (UFO like) striking that comet and its pieces coming off. Here is the link to the russian news site http://www.newsru.com/russia/20feb2013/belimov.html (scroll down and play it).
After looking at it, seems like the purpose of that action was to break down the solid structure of its body, therefore minimising the impact damage.

If you go through the thread discussing the explosion, you'll find the origins of that video and discussion about it.  What you are seeing is the electrical activity of a cosmic body interacting with the charged layers of earth's atmosphere.  There's nothing weird about it at all.  It wasn't something striking the body, but rather explosive electrical arcing.

While I didn't read the whole discussion about the explosion of the meteorite, this particular video showed up on several places on the internet as a proof that something "hit" the body. I encountered something interesting about it while i was watching the original, not zoomed video in HD. This may be the simplest explanation of it. If you put your cursor on the place where the meteor will be "hit", you can see that the cursor and the "splinter" flying seemingly away from the meteor remain motionless to each other.

There is IMHO only one explanation possible. The camera in the car is in a fixed position and the distance between the camera and the windscreen is constant. The car is driving through a relative long right-hand bend when the meteor appears. Because he is so bright, the scratches in the windshield begin to refract the light and because the car is moving through a right-hand bend the refractions appear to move in relation to the meteor, while they in reality still appear on a fixed point on the windshield where this specific scratch is. That's the reason why the cursor, which is virtually "fixed" on the windshield and the splinter remain motionless to each other.

If this phenomenon happend outside of the windshield in the location where the meteor was, it should be very unlikely that the flash and the windshield of the car accidentally had the exact right speed in the exact right direction so that he will appear motionless on the windshield.

I don't know if this was understandable, but you can test it for yourself:

_http://youtu.be/_gUsiR8ZwME

Just make the video full screen with the highest resolution and try to find the right postion with the cursor before the flash appear, then it become obvious what I tired to say.

This was just an coincidence that I saw this because the cursor was right there accidentally.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Piscarian on March 27, 2013, 08:30:57 PM
   Thanks for the latest session. Could it be that the parable of the virgins symbolically refers to being ready and able to unite with others of similar thinking to become as one, while the light of the lamps is symbolic of a beacon and a vigil for those sought to be united with? The capacity for acting in a STO manner would serve as the beacon, while the the vigil would be the capacity to recognize and support the same behavior in others. The preparations in this regard might be considered as what keeps the fire burning, the desire and motivation for seeking a collinear state despite any obstacles, disappointments, or delays. Regarding the Wave and what I understand of receivership, what is knowledge and experience worth if people lose their desire?
   On the parable of the talents, could it symbolically refer to abilities for learning and discernment? A question for a person might be, "Did you hide your abilities beneath an ego that seldom risks discomfort and settle for a secure, predictable existence rather than seeking knowledge and truth as a first priority?". Whatever the possibilities, it will be interesting to hear what the C's have to say. 
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: sitting on March 27, 2013, 08:34:02 PM

A: No, the wave and its electrical and magnetic components affect the entire solar system thus, the Earth and certain geological events; this then can lead to mass deaths.


This answer was in response to a question concerning the strange behavior, migration, and death of sea animals...loosely stated.  But this grim forecast of "mass deaths" most likely includes humans as well, if Earth geology is involved.  Think super quakes and super volcanoes.  These parameters makes it hard if not impossible to assess potential "safe places"...unless you're talking about bunkers thousands of feet underground.  Even those are probably not 100% sure, given the wave last visited 300,000 years prior.

I've been advised to relocate since I'm near the coast.  But I'm gonna stay put because one can easily jump from the frying pan into the fire.  My physical preparations include some stocking up of food, a water filtering system, a very careful diet, adequate sleep and exercise.  But what I find myself spending most time on is cleaning out my personal "inventory" and emotions that constrict.  Easier said than done. 
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Pashalis on March 27, 2013, 08:51:40 PM

In the context of the recent Russian (Chelyabinsk) "denatured comet" - there is a famous video of the event. When it is slowed down, it shows something (UFO like) striking that comet and its pieces coming off. Here is the link to the russian news site http://www.newsru.com/russia/20feb2013/belimov.html (scroll down and play it).
After looking at it, seems like the purpose of that action was to break down the solid structure of its body, therefore minimising the impact damage.

If you go through the thread discussing the explosion, you'll find the origins of that video and discussion about it.  What you are seeing is the electrical activity of a cosmic body interacting with the charged layers of earth's atmosphere.  There's nothing weird about it at all.  It wasn't something striking the body, but rather explosive electrical arcing.

While I didn't read the whole discussion about the explosion of the meteorite, this particular video showed up on several places on the internet as a proof that something "hit" the body. I encountered something interesting about it while i was watching the original, not zoomed video in HD. This may be the simplest explanation of it. If you put your cursor on the place where the meteor will be "hit", you can see that the cursor and the "splinter" flying seemingly away from the meteor remain motionless to each other.

There is IMHO only one explanation possible. The camera in the car is in a fixed position and the distance between the camera and the windscreen is constant. The car is driving through a relative long right-hand bend when the meteor appears. Because he is so bright, the scratches in the windshield begin to refract the light and because the car is moving through a right-hand bend the refractions appear to move in relation to the meteor, while they in reality still appear on a fixed point on the windshield where this specific scratch is. That's the reason why the cursor, which is virtually "fixed" on the windshield and the splinter remain motionless to each other.

If this phenomenon happend outside of the windshield in the location where the meteor was, it should be very unlikely that the flash and the windshield of the car accidentally had the exact right speed in the exact right direction so that he will appear motionless on the windshield.

I don't know if this was understandable, but you can test it for yourself:

_http://youtu.be/_gUsiR8ZwME

Just make the video full screen with the highest resolution and try to find the right postion with the cursor before the flash appear, then it become obvious what I tired to say.

This was just an coincidence that I saw this because the cursor was right there accidentally.

I have to agree, it definitely looks like a reflection from the windshield IMO.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Weller on March 28, 2013, 04:46:17 AM
Thanks for the session!  Always thought-provoking. Here's my two cents to add on the parables/preparation discussion, a bit of a grab-bag...

Interesting that the two parables mentioned are from the same chapter in Matthew, presented in the order of
  1) parable of wise virgins who are 'prepared' for the coming bridegroom
  2) parable of the talents--of applying innate ability/knowledge to expand upon your gifts, and
  3) parable of the sheep and goats, knowing to share/give of yourself to others. 

All three include characters with appropriate responses during some defining/transitional event who are rewarded, and other characters who fail and are cast out, losing their opportunity.

My take on this is that the parables progress from personal readiness within, to applying innate abilities and faith in abundance for 'outward' success, to then helping others and ultimately either joining a successful like-minded group--or being cast out with lazy whiners and scaredy-cats.

As for parable #1, "prepared" wise virgins = from my dogeared dictionary, pre + pare Latin: parare = to give birth to, to produce, MF parer = to trim. 'Parent' shares the same root.  So I wonder if 'prepare' is in the sense of being ready to produce or respond to circumstances, rather than storing cans of food on the shelf.  Also this idea of "trimming," trimming lamps = need to trim the wicks for a clean, even burn, and produce the highest flame possible (most light).

Upon arrival of the bridegroom at midnight, the wise, sleeping maidens awaken and trim their lamps, produce light for the bridegroom's arrival, and pass through the door, which ultimately closes on the the foolish five.  Why five? Could the five wise virgins represent five functioning chakras or five balanced elemental energies in the Chinese system, prior to some 'initiation'?  The arrival of the bridegroom at midnight signals a transition point, the arrival of something (something male/active force within, or without?) that will trigger the opportunity to pass thru a gateway to a union/marriage. 

This may be too literal but what is the "oil" - could this represent a physical thing or etheric/energetic thing? If the chakras are linked up with the endocrine system, would this indicate a healthy endocrine system/hormone regulation that must be present for this midnight transition/union?

Further, the foolish virgins are told to go to the 'market' to buy their oil...implying there must be some transaction/transformation to obtain it, it cannot be borrowed or begged for at the last minute. This reminds me of Gurdjieff's discussion of some centers inappropriately doing the work of other centers.  Speaking of Gurdjieff, for the parable of the talents, the servants are given 1 bag of talents/gold, or 2 bags, or 5 -- could this represent Man 1, 2, or 5, or something along this line? Or does the 5-talent servant have his 5 elemental chakras working, higher-functioning human abilities, not operating in fear and therefore a greater ability to expand his [spiritual] wealth/energy, than the one operating only from his basal chakra (that of basic survival/security).
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Prometeo on March 28, 2013, 06:54:20 AM
It wasn't something striking the body, but rather explosive electrical arcing.

Like the lightning between the earth and the sky but in this case instead of the earth was the comet?
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: MK Scarlett on March 28, 2013, 03:06:44 PM
Thank you all at Chateau crew for this session!
And thanks to all members for the pretty interesting posts in the whole thread. Parables were unkwnown from me and I have to go deeper in them... Also this:

Q: (Belibaste) More negative. Okay. Can one individual, or several individuals, attract in a similar manner as this place, some cometary bodies?

A: Yes

Q: (Belibaste) Is it because their electric charge collectively or individually is modified?

A: Not only electric charge. In the realm from which some of these things are manifested or, better, "directed", information is king.

Q: (Belibaste) So if a group of individuals acquires, stores, information that is orthogonal to truth, i.e. lies, will this fact of acquiring information that is orthogonal to truth increase the attraction to meteorites or cometary bodies?

A: Yes

A very interesting explanation of connections between macro-cosme and micro-cosme and how all inter-act each others. What came in my mind about lies and truths:

"Separate the wheat from the chaff"

"As above, so below. As below, so above".

I also had the occasions these last weeks to show strange skies with many types of different clouds in the same time and in the same area, something I had ever seen before. A friend of mine (photographer), caught one pic in the South of France with a strange circular hole of blue sky in the middle of clouds. I gonna ask for it.

A: See/C you soon!

I also saw the C as Cassiopean's, and also as Comet... Comet see you soon... FWIW.





Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Rajawang on March 28, 2013, 03:30:09 PM
Thank you all for this eye-opener, and definitely a reminder session!   
The discussion about the comet and parables and everybody's thoughts and 2 cents are also in itself, a proof of the effective way the forum is being utilized, generating 'food for the moon', energy, for all members.  I am looking forward for the not-so-far-away, next session mentioned by Laura which will probably erase some speculations coming out in the discussion above. :thup:
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: thorbiorn on March 28, 2013, 06:14:28 PM
Thank you for posting this session, there is a lot to think about.
Below are a few comments on the story of Sodom.

And, in an interesting way, this issue of the parables mentioned in the session connects directly to Belibaste's questions about "charge" in respect of the earth vis a vis disasters.  It makes me think of the story of Abraham arguing with god/angels about the preservation of Sodom and Gomorrah.  He was asking "if there are 50 men there who are righteous" will you spare the city.  Then he got down to five men... as it turned out, there was only one who was warned to get out of the city.

The story of Sodom and Gomorrah, Genesis 18:17-19:30 is indeed rather interesting. In Sodom hospitality is not a strong point as Lot is threatened for housing the two messengers of God. Lot warns his future sons in law that the city will be destroyed and advice them to flee with him the next morning, but they take him for a fool. Therefore in this story like in the story of the bridesmaids in Matthew 25, there is an issue of marriage. In this case, the bridegrooms are not prepared to follow Lot, their future father in law.

At dawn the next morning the messengers beg Lot to hurry, but he lingers on (or is it a member of the family?), and the messengers have to lead them out of town. Since it is late, they ask Lot to run for his life to the small settlement Zoar where Lot and his family arrive when the sun is up in the sky. Four people flee but only three survive, because Lot's wife turn around to witness the destruction. Would Lot's family all have survived if they had heeded the advice to hurry at dawn instead of needing to be led out by the messengers? Or was it just, as the story goes, a matter of Lot's wife not heeding the advice of the messengers to not look back?

Having reached Zoar, Lot continues into the mountains for safety:
Quote from: _http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/
30 And Lot went up out of Zoar, and dwelt in the mountain, and his two daughters with him; for he feared to dwell in Zoar: and he dwelt in a cave, he and his two daughters.
I have been wondering why he was afraid to stay in Zoar?  It may be because he was not a native of the land since his family came from Babylonia, Genesis 11:27-32). These verses also state that Lot was the nephew of Abraham, since Lot was the son of Haran who was the brother of Abraham.

The meaning of the name Lot may inspire more interpretation of the story
Quote from: _http://www.abarim-publications.com/Meaning/Lot.html#.UVHdgZbaJqc
The noun (lot) is identical to the name Lot and means envelope, covering.
Perhaps one can say that Lot is enveloped and covered by grace. The grace that covers him may be that of god, but it seems to me that his connection with Abraham, Lot's uncle, is more important considering that:
Quote from: _http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/
27 And Abraham gat up early in the morning to the place where he stood before the LORD:
28 And he looked toward Sodom and Gomorrah, and toward all the land of the plain, and beheld, and, lo, the smoke of the country went up as the smoke of a furnace.
29 And it came to pass, when God destroyed the cities of the plain, that God remembered Abraham, and sent Lot out of the midst of the overthrow, when he overthrew the cities in the which Lot dwelt.
After all, it was Abraham who wished to save Sodom. On his part, Lot was, as indicated by his name, able to give "covering" to the messengers while they stayed in Sodom. The messengers in turn covered/protected him. 

The Abraham-Lot connection can be interpreted as an example of network and networking. In this text Abraham was fairly close at hand. One notices that whereas Abraham is naturally out of harms way, Lot has to run for his life, and in fact only those of Abraham's blood, Lot and his two daughters, end up being saved.
 
The story from Genesis is referred to in Matthew 10:7-15. In this text there are the recurring issues of hospitality and charity. As the disciples move they do something to help those in suffering by both healing and sharing knowledge. There is an interaction and exchange with the areas they traverse and the people they meet. The places are judged by the way they respond to the offer.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: irjO on March 28, 2013, 06:27:59 PM
A: See/C you soon!

I also saw the C as Cassiopean's, and also as Comet... Comet see you soon... FWIW.
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I thought that it was an interesting remark they made at the end too
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Balberon on March 28, 2013, 07:06:54 PM
I thought to look up Cass io Paeans. I thought I would search the thread as I thought paeans had been discussed some. Likely covering old ground with breaking up the name (Cassiopaeans). I apologize for the potential noise, but found the info interesting.  :)

Session wrote:
Quote
Q: (L) Which reminds me... I was reading in this book about Greek religion by Walter Burkert that the term "paean" was used to describe to the type of songs that were sung in the worship of the god Apollo in the most ancient times. And Apollo was supposedly the Hyperborean god, and if my suppositions are correct, was also the god that was worshipped at Stonehenge. Any connection there?

A: Indeed.

Wiki:
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Cassio - is a given name and a surname.

dictionary.com
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Cass: a male or female given name.

Io:  Classic Mythology-  a woman who, being loved by Zeus, was transformed into a white heifer and was, at the wish of Hera, first guarded by Argus and later pursued through the world by a gadfly until she reached Egypt, where she resumed her true shape: identified by the Egyptians with Isis. - Astronomy:  a large volcanically active moon of the planet Jupiter.

Paeans: any song of praise, joy, or triumph. - a hymn of invocation or thanksgiving to Apollo or some other ancient Greek deity.

Also, I thought I'd find cassio in a search, weren't they a company that manufactured musical instruments at one point? I see casio, watches, time.

Again, if this is just noise or pre-treaded area I apologize for the rambling.

Edit 1: Fixed quotes
Edit 2: Apollo according to wikipedia is: "God of music, poetry, plague, oracles, sun, medicine, light and knowledge", for those who didn't know that.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: whitecoast on March 28, 2013, 07:14:25 PM
A: See/C you soon!

I also saw the C as Cassiopean's, and also as Comet... Comet see you soon... FWIW.

I thought that it was an interesting remark they made at the end too
[/quote]

C reminded me of the note C, which is Do in the enneagram. Perhaps it's a signal that earth is entering a new octave soon. Whatever that could imply.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Balberon on March 28, 2013, 07:38:41 PM
This video came to mind in reply to your inquiry Whitecoat: Resonance - Beings of Frequency (documentary film)
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vb9R0x_0NQ 1.5 hours
I believe in it it states the human heart and the Earth run along at/near the same frequency.

Whitecoat wrote:
Quote
C reminded me of the note C, which is Do in the enneagram. Perhaps it's a signal that earth is entering a new octave soon. Whatever that could imply.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Piscarian on March 28, 2013, 09:49:16 PM
For some reason I interpreted "See/C you soon" as meaning "We will be you soon."
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Gandalf on March 28, 2013, 09:54:15 PM
For some reason I interpreted "See/C you soon" as meaning "We will be you soon."

Could it be that in the original session, the C's said "C you soon" as a short sentence which means "See you soon" and the C does not belong there anymore ????

fwiw
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Miguel Ángel on March 28, 2013, 09:54:45 PM
For some reason I interpreted "See/C you soon" as meaning "We will be you soon."

Funny I did it the opposite way: "See/C you soon" = C you soon = You will be the C's soon    :)
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Tesla on March 28, 2013, 10:01:45 PM
Thanks To Laura and Crew for this session

I think that preparation envolve mind and body, both by epigenetic can change our DNA and can deal better with the changes are happening and others will come. EE and diet mainly will cover this, and being attentive to the hoaxes every day the world try blind us.

i will wating for the next session by C's riddles :P

Greetings
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Don Genaro on March 28, 2013, 10:59:01 PM
Belated thank yous for the session to all and for the interesting comments. I do agree that in a sense, preparedness is connected to remaining "open" - one of the C's favourite words and not being over-inclined to subscribe to yes and no, or black and white answers. I think it was Carlisle who mentioned the dangers of believing lies which also relates to this being open and not just buying into one belief because it's"more true" than the other.
As the C's said: "No knowledge is better than false knowledge."
I think the very awareness of all the possibilities discussed here daily is also a good form of protection as we will have less of a tendency to slip into denial as things open up :)
Also wondering where and when the "doozie" is going to strike - when was the next volume of HOM due out again?  ;)
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: orion186 on March 28, 2013, 11:00:53 PM
Thanks for the sessions, an interesting one to say the least!

I find it interesting the meteors/fireballs are being reported more and more yet science keeps saying its normal and happens on a regular basis and goes unoticed because most are over the oceans, the night before this session there was a fireball on the northeast coast here in the U.S., it just so happened to be over the appalachian mountains or atleast in line with them and only sighted in the areas around the mountains. This is a location of some STS mining/possible tunnels to an underground base as hinted from the C's, IMHO confirming the attraction to areas of negativity. My thoughts are maybe the first big strikes are going to reveal locations of these bases/negative STS activities. Shortly after the russian meteorite we had a fireball sighted off shore,east coast of florida, over the ocean, another location hinted by the C's of underground anomalies, ie cyrstal pyramid. Maybe there is a base or operation under the area of russia where the recent meteorite exploded?
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Andre' on March 28, 2013, 11:53:50 PM
thank you Laura and the team for the session, thanks to all the comments,replys of our forum members ,i could understand much deeper the information from the session,like for example trully doing the work vs barely/hollowly doing the work,(in my case it applies the 2nd scenario),much food for thoght indeed,thank you all once again.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Mrs. Peel on March 29, 2013, 02:36:02 AM
For some reason I interpreted "See/C you soon" as meaning "We will be you soon."

Or as in, you will be a "C" soon.   :shock:

Or maybe that's the same thing...  :)
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Drea on March 29, 2013, 04:21:27 AM
Thank you for the session once again Laura, and team! Also, thank you all for the thought out replies. There is certainly a great deal to ponder here.
I'm very grateful that the C's give out those little hints that give us hope in these dark times.

Now is as good of time as any to kick it up a notch with the EE, be more careful with the diet, and start steam rolling out those pemmican bars.

Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: whitecoast on March 29, 2013, 06:34:52 AM
For some reason I interpreted "See/C you soon" as meaning "We will be you soon."

Or as in, you will be a "C" soon.   :shock:

Or maybe that's the same thing...  :)

I thought 3D people harvest to 4D instead of 6? Or is it like one of those "time is an illusion" things?  :huh:
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: caballero reyes on March 29, 2013, 06:54:53 AM
Thanks Laura for the session.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Forrestdeva on March 29, 2013, 08:00:50 AM
Concerning the 10 virgins: Could these be the 10 lost strands of DNA?
Are the 5 with oil the Ademic race and the 5 with out the Pre-Ademic race?
Contemplating these questions....
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Laura on March 29, 2013, 09:00:37 AM
I think the "C you soon" was just a bit of punning fun though there could be a deeper meaning.  Remember, they've said "long time, no Cs" before, which was also just a bit of fun.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: emilien512 on March 29, 2013, 10:03:42 AM
This is gonna sound crazy but I have already read this session months ago....... WTH?? I aint joking...
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Mac on March 29, 2013, 10:59:07 AM
Thanks for the Session.

What does it mean to be prepared right now? The world is changing rapidly, profoundly. Preparedness means recognizing the Signs, learning the way the Universe is going and helping to further It's intent?

Much to ponder. Thanks to all for the discussion. Looking forward to the next session.

Mac
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Alada on March 29, 2013, 11:11:19 AM
This is gonna sound crazy...

Agreed

…but I have already read this session months ago.......

Well maybe if you read any more ‘sessions from the future’ before the rest of us, you could forward them on? It would save folk from having to interrupt their other work to do more Cs sessions. So little time, so much to do! :knitting:

WTH?? I aint joking...

On the other hand, maybe it was deja vu, or maybe you just imagined it, maybe this post is just noise? Notice that no one else has said that they read it before.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: emilien512 on March 29, 2013, 11:23:33 AM
Sorry I cant really add anything to it...

Forget it  :P
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Martina on March 29, 2013, 01:15:06 PM
Hello people!

Thank you for sharing,I think that contributing to each other we can put the whole picture together.
There are few biblical references: virgins, talents, maybe Noia is connected with Noah?
Also that reference that information is the king sounds like : In the kingdom of the blind,the one-eyed are kings.
What is information? Maybe a way of thinking?
Why were some virgins foolish? Did they had some bumpers they didn't solved out? Why weren't they aware?
I know it is said we're not supposed to anticipate anything and we should enjoy the show- so that's what the wise virgins did.
If we are not supporting each other it is possible that our fuel can be burned sooner on something not important?
Maybe we should liberate ourselves from 3D worries and think more creatively but carefully so we won't get off of our tracks?
STO means total lack of care for yourself, so maybe we should instead of worrying, radiant, give the best of ourselves when the time comes? 
What does doozie mean?
Concerning Plague, I  don't know, maybe we can become immune in some way doing the work, activate something in our DNA?
If I'll think of something more I' ll post it later.
When you keep up the Work you are encouraging me to do the same, so thanx again.
I don't know you but I'm experiencing you as some sort of Family.
Is pronoia good or bad? It feels good.



Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Anam Cara on March 29, 2013, 01:22:28 PM
Thank you Laura and the Chateau folk for another thought provoking session.

A: See/C you soon!

My interpretation of this response, apart from the message itself,  is marrying or merging of literal / abstract thinking?

The shape of the C for me is representative of the outstretched arms of a joyful, loving parent (the C‘s), as they/us see their beloved children approach ever closer for embrace (union).

Those children that is, who have remembered that the wind up torches they have diligently saved up for, to light the way through stormy times, still require effort for them to work!  :)

As well as 'being prepared' physically and psychologically by identifying and applying knowledge to our limiting emotions; maybe its time to 'be prepared' psychologically and spiritually to our limiting perceptions? The approaching wave may have increasingly extreme, intense and highly strange phenomena, as well as more obvious signs such as earth changes, societial collapse etc.

What 'new bodies' or abilities/perceptions will manifest in us I wonder? The 'high level networking' is something I have not come across, so I look forward to more discussion and learning opportunities  on that particularly.



Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: dreamer on March 29, 2013, 04:13:05 PM
This is gonna sound crazy but I have already read this session months ago....... WTH?? I aint joking...

I also thought that I had read this session before. I was surprised that the name Pronoia was repeated.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Palinurus on March 29, 2013, 05:28:25 PM
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I was surprised that the name Pronoia was repeated.

Maybe you're mistaken? I found similar names which were spelled Poronia (2002) and Poinonia (2009) mentioned here:

http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,9504.msg306128.html#msg306128

At the same page Ana mentioned an association with the gnostic name of Protennoia. See this post:

http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,9504.msg97855.html#msg97855

Hope this helps a bit.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: dreamer on March 29, 2013, 06:00:10 PM
I am sure it was Pronoia. Over reading this session I "remembered" about parable of the wise and foolish virgins, the bicycle ghost, every kind of cloud, See/C you soon! and some comments.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Joe on March 29, 2013, 06:54:12 PM

Does being prepared mean to have acquired esoteric knowledge?  (Fairly broad). 

What is "esoteric knowledge"?  What about the basic understandings of this level of reality?


It's very interesting (I think) to realise that much of what has been described as "esoteric knowledge" and "secret teachings" etc. are not really very 'exotic' or 'profound' at all, they really are basic understandings and learning to really understand the truths of human existence as it relates to human experience. So many people go off on quests to discover shocking and amazing truths, when just about every person on this planet trips over the really important truths on a daily basis.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Joe on March 29, 2013, 07:01:38 PM
Remembering what the C's said once about if we did not graduate this time that we'd be like cavemen looking out on a red smoke filled sky. What would a few cans of green beans serve me in such an environment? So perhaps being "prepared' is aligning our selves to STO.

Yes, that was a reference to the idea of "doing it (3D) all over again" as in reincarnating as a 'cave person' with a red sky (from comet dust) and a perpetual cold wind blowing. So I don't think a few cans of green beans would even figure in that scenario.  I suppose one possibility is that a few people survive a cataclysm and then eek out an existence with their few cans of green beans until they die, at which point a choice is made whether to start the 3D existence all over again.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Argo on March 29, 2013, 07:17:45 PM
Thank you for another interesting session  :)
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Zadius Sky on March 29, 2013, 07:41:37 PM
I just an additional search on "Pronoia," which is the name of an Okeanid nymph in Greek Mythology. It means "foresight."

_http://www.theoi.com/Nymphe/NymphePronoia.html

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PRONOIA (or Pronoea) was an Okeanid nymph of Mount Parnassos in Phokis (central Greece). She was the wife of the Titan Prometheus and, as her name suggests, the goddess of foresight. Prometheus' wife was also named Hesione and Asia.

Pronoia was closely identified with the goddess Athena who, according to several ancient writers, was worshipped as Athena Pronoia at Delphoi. As an Okeanid she also resembles Athena's mother Metis.

There's that connection with Athena/Prometheus.

Also, it's the name of the system "of granting dedicated streams of state income to individuals and institutions in the late Byzantine Empire:"

_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pronoia

ADDED:

Found "Pronoia" mentioned several times throughout the Apocryphon of John:

_http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/apocjn-long.html

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8 For from the light, which is the Christ, and Indestructibility, through the gift of the Spirit, he gazed out so as to cause the four Lights from the divine Autogenes to stand before him.

And the three (are): Will, Thought, and Life. And the four powers are: Understanding, Grace, Perception, and Prudence. Now it is Grace which dwells in the Light Aeon Armozel, who is the first angel. And three other Aeons are with this Aeon: Grace, Truth, Form. And the second Light Oriael is the one who was established over the second Aeon. And three other Aeons are with him: Pronoia, Percep­tion, Memory. And the third Light is Daveithai, the one who was es­tablished over the third Aeon. And the three other Aeons with him are: Understanding, Love, and Likeness. And the fourth Aeon was established over the fourth Light Eleleth. And the [th]ree Aeons with him are: Perfection, Peace, Wisdom. These are the four Lights who stand before the divine Autogenes. These are the twelve Aeons which stand before the Son of the great Autogenes Christ, through the will and the gift of the invisible Spirit. And the twelve Aeons belong to the Son of [A]utogenes.

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15 And a voice came from the exalted heavenly Aeon, The Human ex­ists and the Child of the Human.' The Chief Ruler, Yaltabaoth, heard it, but he thought that the voice had come from his Mother, and he did not understand where it had come from.

And the holy and perfect Mother-Father, the perfect Pronoia, the im­age of the Invisible, who is the Father of the All, in whom the All came into being, the first Human, taught them by revealing his like­ness in a male model.

The Aeon of the Chief Ruler trembled all over and the foundations of the abyss quaked. And upon the waters which dwell under matter, the underside was [illum]ined by the ap[pearance] of his image which had been revealed. And when all the authorities and the Chief Ruler stared (on the water), they saw all the region below which was shining. And by the light, they saw the model of the image upon the water.

And he said to the authorities who dwell with him, 'Come, let us create a human according to the image of God and according to our likeness so that his image might illuminate us.' And they created (using) the power from each of them according to the characteristics which they had been given.

And each one of the authorities supplied for (the human's) soul a characteristic corresponding to the model of the image which he had seen. He created a real being in accordance with the likeness of the perfect first Human. And they said, 'Let us call him Adam in order that his name might become a power of light for us.'

And the powers began (their work): The first one, Goodness, cre­ated a bone-soul. The second one, Pronoia, created a sinew-soul. The third one, Divinity, made a flesh-soul. The fourth one, Lord­ship, made a marrow-soul. The fifth one, Kingdom, made a blood-soul. The sixth one, Envy, created a skin-soul. The seventh Understanding, created a hair-soul.

The multitude of the angels stood before him. They received the seven substances of the soul from the powers so that they might create the harmony of the parts and the harmony of the limbs and the proper combination of each of the parts.

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24 I said, "Lord, where did the despicable spirit come from?"

Then he said to me, "(It all began when) the Mother-Father whose mercy is great, the Spirit who is holy in every respect, the compassionate, and who troubles herself with you, that is, the Epinoia of the luminous Pronoia awakened the seed of the perfect generation and its thinking and the eternal light of the Human. When the Chief Ruler knew that they surpassed him in excellence—for their thoughts were higher than his— he wanted to restrict their planning, for he was ig­norant that they excelled him in thinking and that he would not be able to restrict them. He made a plan with his authorities, that is, his powers. Together they committed adultery with Sophia. And through them was begotten bitter Fate, which is the last of the counterfeit chains. And it is such that (it makes) each one different from every other. And it is painful and it oppresses that (soul) since the gods and angels and demons and all the generations have inter­mingled with it up to the present day. For from that Fate appeared every iniquity and injustice and blasphemy and the fetter of forgetfulness and ignorance and every harsh command and severe sins and great fears. And this is how they made the whole creation blind so that they might not know the God who is above them all. And be­cause of the fetter of forgetfulness, their sins were hidden. For they were bound with measures and times and seasons—for it (Fate) was lord over them all.

And he had regrets about everything which had come into being through him. Again he planned to bring a flood over the human creation.

But the greatness of the light of Pronoia taught Noah. And he preached to the whole offspring, that is, the children of the humans. But those who were strangers to him did not listen to him. It is not like Moses said that they hid themselves in an ark, but they were hidden — not only Noah, but many other people from the immovable generation.

They entered a place. They were hidden in a luminous cloud. And he understood his authority. And she who belongs to the light was with him for she illumined them, for he had brought dark­ness upon the whole earth.

fwiw
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Nuke on March 29, 2013, 09:25:39 PM
Thank you Laura and crew for the session.

And Shane for posting the parable.

I think the oil representing 'the application of knowledge' is the most viable which pretty much includes every other important point made in comments here in the thread.
E.g. really getting ourselves (mentally, emotionally and our souls) ready for every scenario, preparing, etc.

Paraphrasing G, 'knowledge is not enough, one needs understanding', i.e. knowledge in and of itself - the lamp - is not enough.
Real understanding and the application of the knowledge - the oil, the fuel - one already has, is necessary for the 'full package' while obtaining more knowledge.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: GAIA on March 30, 2013, 12:28:25 AM
Thank you C's, Laura and the whole gang for another super interesting session!!
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: FrankM4326754 on March 30, 2013, 01:32:17 AM

Does being prepared mean to have acquired esoteric knowledge?  (Fairly broad). 

What is "esoteric knowledge"?  What about the basic understandings of this level of reality?


It's very interesting (I think) to realise that much of what has been described as "esoteric knowledge" and "secret teachings" etc. are not really very 'exotic' or 'profound' at all, they really are basic understandings and learning to really understand the truths of human existence as it relates to human experience. So many people go off on quests to discover shocking and amazing truths, when just about every person on this planet trips over the really important truths on a daily basis.

I agree.  That's why I placed fairly broad in parenthesis.  While esoteric has a definition of being a sort of niche of information I think that the simple understandings of 3D is exactly it and the unfortunate aspect of this is that so few know or care to know it.  But I believe Gurdjieff said it himself, it can be no other way.  Some people want to learn and some do not.  Everyone is on the progression of the never ending spiral and all choose to live their life accordingly. 
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: FrankM4326754 on March 30, 2013, 01:38:44 AM
I say that it's unfortunate but that is bias and an assumption that I'm making by thinking that everyone should make it to 4D this time round when in actuality it's up to the individual.  Free will is the essential.   Thanks again for such a great session it's brought on a lot to think about as always!   :D
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Muxel on March 30, 2013, 06:33:17 AM
I think this session reflects what Laura wrote (http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,29146.msg369441.html#msg369441) back in September of '12 on the subject of preparedness. She referenced talents and virgins, as did the C's this round. But she also referenced the "widow's mite" story.

Also, the concept of KNOWLEDGE being the key to transitioning is supremely important.  All you have to do is think about the Parable of the Talents to get the point.  It really isn't important that you have "supreme knowledge" or that you are totally prepared by virtue of that supreme knowledge, what is important is what you do with what you have!  Another useful parable is that of the 10 Wise Virgins.  Then, there is the "Widow's Mite" principle.  If a person is doing all they can with what they have, and the AIM is to contribute to the STO position, then if there are energies of transition/ change/ whatever, those energies will "frequency resonance" match to yours and you don't have to get your knickers in a knot of fear.

If you are just doing all you can to gather knowledge, to apply what knowledge you DO have to whatever is set before you each day, with an overarching AIM of "knowing the truth that sets us free" (keep in mind that "knowing" is also LOVE), and being connected to a network striving to strengthen the STO reality/position, you'll be okay! 

It's not perfection that is important, it is the STRIVING, the continued movement, the refusal to stagnate, the constant efforts to give and help in whatever way is available to you that counts.

These are ideas that have come to me in the writing of "Moses" because when I write, I go into a somewhat altered state and all kinds of things just sort themselves out somehow.

Then this, a month later
I have come, over time, to think that even people who may never become masters of themselves in this lifetime can still contribute to being part of a higher esoteric being/conduit by simply contributing their mite to a network in a sincere way. But they can't be mods or teachers because you have to be able to take the heat of the kitchen. 

Most of all, it IS important to strive in every way to gain as much knowledge as you can on anything that is available to you, since we find that one thing leads to another and another and another.  The more data you have, the better your chances are of being able to integrate it.  But just having DATA to hand isn't enough.  There is that ineluctable factor that comes into play: the gradual formation or, better, seating, of the higher self that is able to synthesize the data and "see the unseen", the dynamic of the field of pure information. 

It's not just an empty saying: "strait is the gate and narrow the way and few there be that enter therein." And: "it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven."  In this last one, just interpret "rich man" as a person who has a very strong false personality/beliefs AKA a "full cup" and the "kingdom of heaven" as that state where you actually begin to SEE the unseen and begin to participate in the life of the higher esoteric circle even if only at the fringes.

The C's exact words were
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Knowledge is the key to developing a conduit.
This thing about "keys" brings to mind this from Michael Topper:
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It is through tailored regulation of Loves' forms that STS intelligence derives the means of coercing soul-energy into converting abstract-conscious capital to specific psychic and emotional coinage. And it is through the cumulative psychic and emotional energy that the STS forces hope to obtain the energy-keys to timelocks and spatial corridors of even richer and still-virgin terrains, portions of the cosmos intact with creative life, ripe for plunder and privileged profit.

And we see that the ultimate aim of the STS hierarchy, is to MASTER creative energy. To assimilate it to the self, to deprive others of it by inducing them to believe lies about "becoming One." Because, when you believe the lie of the STS deceiver, you have given him control of your Free Will - the essence of Creativity.

So here are my thoughts, albeit fragmented:

The widow gave all she had - STO "gives all".

This knowledge is not of the strictly intellectual kind - I think the oil must be that which comes via connection with the higher centers (and the "information field").

Because the emotional center is the gateway to connecting with the higher centers, emotion is crucial. What emotions underlie (or provoke) the action of "giving all"? Or put another way, why did the widow give everything she had?

Did she do it in service of a higher ideal that was of great personal meaning and relevance? Are we talking about souled beings and what it means to have a soul?
What occurs to me, 2/3 of the way through, is that what Nagel is approaching or trying to describe is the essence of the problem at the root of the division of humanity between those capable of higher thought and those incapable of it, i.e. Organic Portals vs souled or potentially souled humans.



Edit: to add this
First of all, Gurdjieff's idea of an esoteric group that can form the nucleus for a different future than the one Earth and all its people have experienced for millennia is the foundation of this forum.  An esoteric group, as you recall, is a group that has objective knowledge, that is a view of the universe as the universe sees itself, so to say.  If anybody can think of a better definition of objective knowledge, let me know.  I know that certain scientists think that "objective knowledge" is basically physical facts, data bits, but I suggest that knowledge is more than bits of data, it is a complex of connections where the whole is greater than the sum of its parts.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Jason (ocean59) on March 30, 2013, 09:37:23 AM
A follow-up question I think would be interesting to ask the C's:

Was there a possibility that the impact event over Chelyabinsk could have occurred much lower, and inflicted more damage? If so, what were the variables in play that changed the trajectory so as to have such a minimal loss of life? (I mean, we're talking about nano-somethings of increments here in determining 'a scare' vs. 'tens of thousands dead.')

Were any of those 'variables' influenced in any way by those who strive to be STO candidates? And if so/then, if the question/answers from the session prove to be fruitful, how can we then best 'prepare' for future 'events'???

And if any of the answers are even slightly as I expect (in that there may possibly be much more here to that event and the role everyone on the planet here played in its outcome (symphony?) than meets the eye), would it now be safe to share such direct, life-impacting, future/present-influencing (and connecting) information with the public at large (or whatnot, hoping I don't sound like a baked noodle at this point)?

Because, frankly, I think once the PTB have settled in upon their fed ideas of 'this is what's going to happen, and nothing can possibly change this' (which based upon all clues C's have given is NOT true, nor nearly as fixed as these types will sell their souls to believe), the real key seems to come down to 'Can we truly and objectively and meaningfully do something to actually effect the outcome of these events, in real time, as they are occurring?' Did we already do something during the Chelyabinsk event that saved thousands of lives? Is there something we can do to still yet shape the outcome of things to come?

Believe me, I will welcome the comets as quickly as each and any of you reading this. Our world is undoubtedly that far gone. I don't and can't deny that. But seriously, what happened just now with that whole Chelyabinsk event?!? What could have happened? Does that question matter, and is anything we have all been doing matter, in context to not at all only that event, but every event, all the time?

Sorry for the ramble, but that's what's on my mind after following this thread for the last few days. And indeed, a sincere thank you to all involved and for sharing the work with us all.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Mikey on March 30, 2013, 10:41:34 AM
Was there a possibility that the impact event over Chelyabinsk could have occurred much lower, and inflicted more damage? If so, what were the variables in play that changed the trajectory so as to have such a minimal loss of life?

I am also very intrigued by this question and I think it relates to what Belibaste was asking about people being an 'attractor' or 'repellant' of various bodies of the sky. Obviously, gravitation and electrical charge are the main forces that influence the trajectory and location where a comet will hit. But the C's hinted at more:

A: Not only electric charge. In the realm from which some of these things are manifested or, better, "directed", information is king.

Now, how could this be explained in a practical way? I think you gave an excellent hint:

(I mean, we're talking about nano-somethings of increments here in determining 'a scare' vs. 'tens of thousands dead.')

It indeed seems to be "nano-somethings" that make all the difference. Regardless of everything else, in our reality, comets are still physical objects with mass that mostly are subjected to and directed by gravitation and electrical charge (even though the electrical charge is still ignored my mainstream science). There are fun computer programs (http://phet.colorado.edu/en/simulation/my-solar-system) (try it online!) that simulate the trajectories of gravitational bodies, where you can 'play god' and try to 'design' a solar system with stable platetary orbits. If you have played with such a program, you will see that even the slightest differences in the initial parameters of a body (position or the speed vector) will result in greatly different trajectories over time.

That hints us at Chaos theory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_theory):

Quote from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_theory
Chaos theory studies the behavior of dynamical systems that are highly sensitive to initial conditions, an effect which is popularly referred to as the butterfly effect. Small differences in initial conditions (such as those due to rounding errors in numerical computation) yield widely diverging outcomes for such dynamical systems, rendering long-term prediction impossible in general.

Now, when you think about a comet that is approaching from the Oort cloud -- an extremely large distance -- even the smallest influence imaginable (like a displacement as small as a fraction of an atom, or even smaller) will literally determine which persons will die or live when the comet hits earth. So, for me it is conceivable that "information in higher realms" could indeed exert on comets that "nano-something" needed to make all the difference later on.

Even though comet trajectories seem to have the characteristics of a Chaotic System, this does not mean that they are truly random. There are obviously two schools of thought: That everything is chaos and is random, and that everything is cosmos and is in order. For the latter people, such seemingly random events will still carry a lot of information, since chaotic systems are also used for Divination (throwing coins in the I Ching which are also directed by gravity, etc.)
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Jason (ocean59) on March 30, 2013, 10:53:00 AM
I am also reminded of Ark's recent parabolic quantum fractal thingy posted on FB, where a 'typo' of one digit resulted in a dramatically different representation of the formula (the 'angels' versus what I personally thought to be a far more interesting pattern after the correction was made).
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: 7777 on March 30, 2013, 12:42:35 PM
Liddell and Scott's Greek-English Lexicon has the following definition for a verb similar to the name "Pronoia":

I am not sure how to type the Greek letters, but the Greek verb is spelt:

pi - rho - omicron - nu - omicron - epsilon - omega

The definition:
 
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to perceive before, forsee [. . .] to think of or plan beforehand, provide [. . .] to be provident, take measure of precaution, stand on one's guard [. . .] to provide for, take thought for

- A Greek-English Lexicon,  compiled by Henry George Liddell & Robert Scott. Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1890, page 1292.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: thinker on March 30, 2013, 02:06:22 PM
Was there a possibility that the impact event over Chelyabinsk could have occurred much lower, and inflicted more damage? If so, what were the variables in play that changed the trajectory so as to have such a minimal loss of life? (I mean, we're talking about nano-somethings of increments here in determining 'a scare' vs. 'tens of thousands dead.')

I couldn't find the link, but I think I've read this on thunderbolt.info.

Slower moving rocks from local space have a bigger chance of touching the ground, but they're usually smaller objects because they're usually just debris from past comets.

Fast moving objects from outside of solar system have a bigger chance of disintegrating in the atmosphere just like objects in Chelyabinsk and Tunguska did because of the electrical charge difference.

Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Possibility of Being on March 30, 2013, 03:42:42 PM
Maurice Nicoll, a psychiatrist and one of G's students, wrote a small book titled "A New Man" where he talks about the Gospels, their language and meaning as understood from The Work point of view (more or less). He devoted a whole chapter to the parable of wise virgins. Basically, most of his points have been already mentioned and discussed in this thread, so for what it's worth, with a few things possibly added or put differently. (Apologies for any repetitions, he does it ad nauseam and I did try to leave out as much as possible. Emphases and notes in color - mine)


From introductory chapter: The Language of Parables

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ALL sacred writings contain an outer and an inner meaning. Behind the literal words lies another range of meaning, another form of knowledge. According to an old−age tradition, Man once was in touch with this inner knowledge and inner meaning. ...

The idea behind all sacred writing is to convey a higher meaning than the literal words contain, the truth of which must be seen by Man internally. This higher, concealed, inner, or esoteric, meaning, cast in the words and sense−images of ordinary usage, can only be grasped by the understanding, ... A person's literal level of understanding is not necessarily equal to grasping psychological meaning. To understand literally is one thing: to understand psychologically is another. ...

The Gospels are from beginning to end all about this possible self−evolution. They are psychological documents. They are about the psychology of this possible inner development—that is, about what a man must think, feel, and do in order to reach a new level of understanding.

...Everyone has an outer side that has been developed by his contact with life and an inner side which remains vague, uncertain, undeveloped. Teaching about re−birth and inner evolution must not fall only on the outer side of a man—the life−developed side. Some people reach a stage where they realize that life does not satisfy them, where they genuinely begin to look in other directions and seek different aims, before they can hear any teaching of an order similar to that of the Gospels. The outer side of a man is organized by life and its demands ...

A parable is cast in the form of ancient meaning. A parable in the Gospels is cast in the form of an ancient language now forgotten. There was a time when the language of parables could be understood. This language—the language of the parable, allegory and miracle—is lost to the humanity of to−day. But sources still remain which enable us to understand something of this ancient meaning. Since the object of the parable is to connect higher and lower meanings, it can be thought of as a bridge between two levels, a liaison between literal and psychological understanding.

Chapter: The Idea of Wisdom in the Gospels

[wise]

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IN many of the parables and sayings of Christ a word is used which is translated as wise. For example, Christ said to his disciples on one occasion: "Be ye wise as serpents and innocent as doves. " "Innocent" means "harmless", "not doing any harm", and has not the moral sentimental Western meaning of not knowing anything: it would indeed be impossible to be "wise" and at the same time not know anything. But the word translated as "wise" does not exactly mean "wise" so much as "clever" or practically intelligent. The Greek word is φρόνιμος [phrónimos] which meant in its earliest use being in one's right senses and so having presence of mind or having one's wits about one. ... To know how to do and actually to do the right thing at the right time is to be φρόνιμος. You will remember that the "Steward of Unrighteousness" (wrongly translated as the Unjust Steward) was called "wise"—that is, φρόνιμος—being commended by his lord because he saw what to do in a very difficult situation and acted with great presence of mind.

This word, φρόνιμος, has therefore a strong, bracing, practical meaning. It is used in the Gospels to define the right action of an intelligent man seeking a higher level of himself through inner evolution. Christ talks of those who are useless in this respect. He compares them with salt that has lost its savour and is not even fit for the dunghill: "If the salt have lost its savour, wherewith shall it be seasoned? It is fit neither for the land nor for the dunghill: men cast it out. " (Luke xiv, 34, 35. ) And here the word translated as "have lost its savour" means literally "has been made foolish". The dunghill is life. ...

There is a connection between the words phrónimos, diaphragm and shrewd (perspicacious) that I think is quite interesting:

http://biblesuite.com/greek/5429.htm

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phrónimos (an adjective, derived from 5424 /phrḗn, "personal perspective regulating outward behavior," and the root of the English term "diaphragm" which controls key body functions from the inside out) – properly, "how we size things up," reflecting our personal ("visceral") opinions, i.e. what we consider "savvy" (smart). This always roots to our personal perspective ("inner outlook") which regulates our definition of being "shrewd," i.e. reflects personal mind-set (insight).

5426 phronéō (from 5424 /phrḗn, "the midriff or diaphragm; the parts around the heart," J. Thayer) – properly, regulate (moderate) from within, as inner-perspective (insight) shows itself in corresponding, outward behavior. 5426 (phronéō) essentially equates to personal opinion fleshing itself out in action (see J. Thayer). This idea is difficult to translate into English because it combines the visceral and cognitive aspects of thinking.

Back to Nicoll and the parable of the ten virgins "five of whom were wise, phrónimos, and five foolish or silly":

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... This is a parable about reaching a higher level by inner evolution, here called directly the Kingdom of Heaven.

The wise virgins are distinguished from the foolish virgins by possessing oil in their lamps. Notice that they refuse to give their oil to the others, but tell them to go and buy it in life. All of them had lamps but only half had oil in them and these are called "clever" or "not silly". ...

What does it mean that they had oil? They are those who ... have understood something that the others have not understood and this is represented by their having oil in their lamps.

[A lamp - the first stage of inner evolution]
... A lamp is to give light. But, psychologically, it means here something that can give light, not in a physical sense, but in the sense of light as used in the Gospels—the light that shines in the darkness of the mind... and [can] illuminate the understanding.

When a man lives only from his senses and takes the spectacle of outer life, lit up by the sun, as his sole end, he is in darkness. John says the darkness does not comprehend the light; the lower does not understand the higher level. When a man becomes aware that he is internally incomplete and lost, and that the full meaning of his existence is to undergo a change, an inner evolution, and receives a new understanding about himself and what he has to do, he already begins to see this light, this real meaning of his creation.

... Because the Kingdom of Heaven is within a man, he can only get contact with it internally. The way is in himself, not outside. He can experience flashes of another consciousness, moments of entirely new meaning, which show that a higher level exists in him. They are moments of this light. But to reach this level permanently a man must be taught the Word and taught it first of all externally, via the senses. He must hear it: but this does not mean merely to hear it literally, but to begin to understand it, to hear it with his mind, to ponder it, to think of its meaning, to take it into his inner consciousness and to see himself in the terms of what it teaches. For his mind must slowly be prepared in order to change because this higher level is different from a lower level and so the thoughts belonging to a lower level are not of the same order as those of a higher level.

Something new must be formed in his mind to receive "light"—so he must gradually come to "think in a new way" (or "repent" as it is so wrongly translated). This gradual change in thinking forms the lamp in him. ... But the lamp is not enough by itself. It cannot give light alone—but it is necessary, as the first stage of inner evolution.


[Oil - the second stage]
The second stage, in this parable, is the stage of having oil in the lamp. This means that what he knows and sees as new Truth must be applied.

Christ said: "Everyone that heareth these words of mine and doeth them, shall be likened unto a wise man... and everyone that heareth these words of mine and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man." Here the two words wise and foolish appear in the same sense as in the parable of the wise and foolish virgins. To act inwardly from the teaching of Christ, to begin to do it, to begin to work from the understanding of its meaning, to begin to use it and apply it to oneself practically—this is to be wise. This is to use the Word intelligently. This is to be practically clever. And this gives oil in the lamp, individually.

[on sitting on the fence]
But people can accept Truth of this higher order and yet continue to act only from the level of life. They do not internally obey the new Truth, the new knowledge they have learned, which comes from a higher level, but they continue to obey life and its good when it comes to the point. They have lamps but no oil. These are called the foolish, who must go and buy oil from those who sell it. This means that they must continue to get the kind of oil gained from meritorious actions in life which is the only kind of Good they value. "Those who sell it" are those who tell you what is meritorious, what will pay best.

To act from merit and reward makes one sort of oil. To act from the teaching of the Word and its internally understood meaning is to act from a level higher than life, and nothing in outer life will reward you for such actions.

[The foolish]
The foolish virgins with lamps and no oil are those who are on one level of Truth and knowledge intellectually—a higher level—but live and do according to another level. They know one thing, and live and do another.

These in the very nature of things shut themselves out from the Kingdom of Heaven—that is, from the attainment of this higher level possible to Man which is his real meaning. It is not that the door is shut on them. The door is not shut; they shut the door on themselves.

The kind of oil they get from "buying and selling", the oil of merit, is not that required for entry into another level of humanity. So they are said to be "not clever". They are not clever because they do not see that it is to themselves and the kind of people they are that the teaching of Christ applies. They must not merely think in a new way, through the ideas of the Word, but must themselves become different kinds of people.

They may know and even believe the Truth on a higher level, and at the same time live on another level, not applying the Truth to themselves. This is their problem: their actual lives are not governed by their knowledge. They know one thing and will another thing.

The foolish, ... knowing the teaching, continue to seek their Good from life, from rewards, from reputation, from being first, getting to higher and higher positions, having better morals than others, being thought well of, from outwardly conforming to laws and social standards, when internally they are quite different and are only restrained by fear. This is the only Good they know and so they must follow it.

And since the whole question lies in what a man deems is Good, and because a man acts solely from what he deems is Good, they are told to go to what they deem Good and get at least that kind of oil, for this is all they can do. They are told to go to those who buy and sell this Good. ... They have no idea of acting from a form of Good beyond life, beyond reward in life, for the sake of what they see is Good in the light of a higher teaching of what is Truth and Good. So they shut themselves out because they mix up two different levels of knowledge as two different levels of Good.

If you look narrowly at what is meant by "Good" in the Gospels you will see what is meant.

[Knowledge and Being - a lamp and oil]
To bring down the teaching about higher Man to the level of Man as he is, to follow the idea of what is Good from the basis of life and its rewards, its merits, its values, its insistence on reputation, outer appearances, and so on, is to shut oneself out from the Kingdom of Heaven, because a man beginning to reach the level of the Kingdom of Heaven does Good for no reward in life but from what he sees internally as Good in the light of the Truth of the Word taught him. And it is of no use for any of us to pretend that we already know this kind of Good and act from it. We act from life and its Good, however much we know.

To be a Christian a man must will what Christ taught and do it. If he cannot see the Good of what he is taught, he will not act from it. No matter how much knowledge is given and how true it is, he will not act from it unless he sees by his own inner understanding that it is desirable and good and begins to will its existence. A man is not merely his understanding but what he wills from it, and this is what he does, and this is the whole man. The Word—that is, the psychological teaching in the Gospels—is to make a man different, first in thought, and then in being, so that he becomes a New Man. Merely to know about the Word and to make one's oil—one's Good—from the advantages, intrigues and merits of life is not to have the oil that belongs to the lamp of Christ. To act from the Word, to act from this teaching about inner evolution, this higher state of Man, to begin to do a very few things in the light of Christ's words through seeing what they mean and liking the ideas and so being able to will them, without any sense of reward, is another matter. One single act done from willing some truth belonging to that order of teaching called the Word will lift a man for a moment far beyond his usual level. In such an act there is no question of bargaining, no question of "how much?", no question of "where do I come in?" and no boasting about it afterwards. One such thing done in the purest part of your understanding because you see the necessity and reality and so the Good of it, one such thing done from the inner will, can begin to set in motion something that has hitherto remained silent and motionless. The seed starts to life. The man, as a seed on which the Word can fall, begins to awaken. Light enters into his inner darkness. Truth is one thing, the spirit another—and a man must be re−born, from water and spirit, before he can become a New Man. Water is the Truth, the knowledge and teaching about a higher level; and spirit is a man's will passing into this knowledge and uniting it with him, through his seeing its Good, its value. No amount of external teaching will bring about this result. A person may have a lamp—but only through his own most intimate will, only through his deepest consent, only through obeying in secret the knowledge that has formed the lamp in him, will he make oil for it. It is just here that everyone is free. It is just here that everyone, through an inner action, can evolve or not evolve.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Shijing on March 30, 2013, 04:30:50 PM
That's a really good find, PoB, and thanks for posting -- I'm going to copy it and continue studying it.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Chrissy on March 30, 2013, 04:58:32 PM
Quote from: C's
A: Yes. Please put all former clues together for ballpark figure, keeping in mind that the universe is open thus there will always be variables.

Q: (L) Okay. (Andromeda) Past comet streams? (L) So in other words, if we factor in what we know from the science of, say, Victor Clube and Bill Napier, plus observations we make, plus historical records, etc. and signs, we can figure out that something is probably fairly imminent. That would be my best guess. My thought is that if we don't get a plague from this one that exploded over Russia, we will from the next one. That's my best guess.

A: Good guess!

We also have the "5D city on the hill" previous clue to keep in mind.  With the number of fireballs over the northeast this last month, one wonders...


Thank you Laura and team for this recent session. There's so much to reflect on as to what could be in our near future. Maybe my thoughts are too obvious, but the words "5d city on a hill" have always puzzled me. I initially thought this to mean a city of "live" people who face some type of cataclysm and die rapidly, but I was wondering if it could mean a "city" of the dead. When I was young, I visited Arlington National Cemetery and I remember how vast it was. In relation to what the C's hinted at in this session, that comets could be attracted to areas of great untruths, I thought about that visit to that cemetery. It's sickening how many thousands of people are buried there, under the premise of freedom and democracy.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Carlin on March 30, 2013, 05:54:53 PM
It was for me the most intense and enlightening session. I have long been part of this information in a listening attitude, language problems,  But by far is the moment that have joined many pieces together, and one of those, that of belonging to a forum in which, by its own energy, is the place to be at this time of bad notices and signs of crisis and conflict. The  home for the "Argonaut" of the truth that liberates.
Thank you to the castle, and all who make this forum and of course, the C's direct connection to a new way of experiencing reality and truth.
I am sorry not to be more participatory, but there must be some reason "karmic"  reasons , I can only listen. Despite that there are many who have asked  for me and talked in my name . Thank you all. Let's fill our lamps, do not let the light decay. It's more than a parable, right now may be a warning.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: kiki_d on March 30, 2013, 09:12:30 PM
As said before pronoia (πρόνοια) is a Greek word. When somebody is pronoitikos (προνοητικος) is someone who sees the heavy clouds and takes the umbrella with him. So the five wise virgins were definitely pronoitikes (προνοητικες) because they took the oil with them. Also there is the term "theia pronoia" which means something like the divine plan or providence.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Pashalis on March 30, 2013, 09:30:58 PM
That's a really good find, PoB, and thanks for posting -- I'm going to copy it and continue studying it.

I second that, great find!
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: trashn on March 30, 2013, 10:09:26 PM
(L) Story in the bible. Wise and foolish virgins. It's funny that they make these biblical references. I'm coming more and more to the conviction that most of what's in the bible was borrowed by some desert tribes that got civilized and called themselves Jews, borrowed from other cultures. So, it's funny that some people, if they've decided that the whole Yahweh/Jesus thing is not their cup of tea, they throw the whole thing out. They throw the baby out with the bath water. When in fact, if they could get past the idea that all of this isn't focused around some primitive tribal god from the hill country of Judea, but rather this was or this is the main mode of transmission of some very, very ancient stories that would otherwise have been lost if the Jews hadn't stolen and adapted it for their own uses. And it takes a very clever person, a good analyst to read them and understand where they really may have come from.

END OF SESSION

Excellent statement Laura. I am working on exactly the same task since years, using the gnostic scriptures (nag hammadi) as a good framework, and the bible(s) as helper. I am writing my conclusions now, hope to be finished in few months... then i ll let you know!
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: thorbiorn on March 30, 2013, 10:29:49 PM
Thank you PoB for the beautiful commentary about the ten virgins, I'm going to print it out.  :)

Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: genero81 on March 30, 2013, 10:56:43 PM
That's a really good find, PoB, and thanks for posting -- I'm going to copy it and continue studying it.

I second that, great find!

Yes wow!  In line with what I have been thinking about and contemplating. So many good things in this thread. I am re-reading the Wave series and this stuck with me. So in light of our discussions, I went back and found it.

(L) I know that we are dealing with limiting terms. But, when you say "we are you in the future," does this apply to people who choose the Cassiopaean option?

A: Maybe it is best to say it applies to those who recognize the application.

And that made me think about what G said about how knowledge and being should increase more or less at the same time. If one gets too far ahead of the other, progress stops. Because it seems to me that Being determines HOW knowledge is applied; in what way. One must have an aim yes, but even so, how creative one is in applying ones understanding to accomplishing that end seems to me to be an attribute of being.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Parallel on March 31, 2013, 03:17:15 AM
Thankyou Pob, that really spoke to the phronéō :)
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: TheLostBoy on March 31, 2013, 04:59:09 AM
Another thanks PoB! I really enjoyed that. I'm also going to save that or further thinking! Thanks for including the author and book it came from. I might have to see if I can't find a copy of that to read the whole thing.


Maybe my thoughts are too obvious, but the words "5d city on a hill" have always puzzled me. I initially thought this to mean a city of "live" people who face some type of cataclysm and die rapidly, but I was wondering if it could mean a "city" of the dead. When I was young, I visited Arlington National Cemetery and I remember how vast it was. In relation to what the C's hinted at in this session, that comets could be attracted to areas of great untruths, I thought about that visit to that cemetery. It's sickening how many thousands of people are buried there, under the premise of freedom and democracy.

Interesting idea, Chrissy! I hadn't thought that "5D city on a hill" might refer to a cemetary, and your idea on many buried under false/misled/misinformed pretenses was interesting as well! Nice alternate interpretation!
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Parallel on March 31, 2013, 05:59:06 AM
Thanks for including the author and book it came from. I might have to see if I can't find a copy of that to read the whole thing.

The book is really expensive on the amazons and otherwhere, but they're cheap over at Blackwell's:
_http://bookshop.blackwell.co.uk/jsp/id/The_New_Man/9781907661860
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: 7777 on March 31, 2013, 07:15:30 AM
The Blackwell link had a price for the book, but also said "Not-in-stock" when I looked.

Did you also try looking for a used copy on Abebooks?

_http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?an=maurice+nicoll&sortby=2&sts=t&tn=a+new+man&x=0&y=0

Or here on the meta-search site used.addall.com:

_http://used.addall.com
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: sleepermustawaken on March 31, 2013, 08:05:29 AM
Great session.

Divine Cosmic Mind protect ALL at the Chateau.

Thank YOU all for sharing.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Parallel on March 31, 2013, 09:25:22 AM
The Blackwell link had a price for the book, but also said "Not-in-stock" when I looked.
Just saw that after ordering, the automated receipt says the estimated despatch date is a month from now.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: thorbiorn on March 31, 2013, 10:05:08 AM
A couple of comments and a lot of questions.

Maybe ya'll can formulate some simple progressions of questions about what it really means to be "prepared"?
Preparation and asking questions are closely related.
Quote from: http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,14395.0.html Session 24 October 2009
A: Tonight you are launching a new world.
Q: (L) How?
A: By asking the right questions.
That is a challenge. What is a "right question" for a given situation? A question that can unlock the situation? But there are many situations, individual or collective. Is it more difficult to ask a collective question than an individual question?  How many questions does it take to formulate a "right question"?

I don't know, but in this post there are some questions and some comments. Some questions are more like reflections or comments, some are more serious.
 
First a comment to "5D/city on a hill" from the Session 29 December 2009 (http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,15338.msg156409.html#msg156409)
Thanks for the session.
In context on the metaphor about the virgins and the expression the 5d city on the hill i was thinking about this:

This is from Wikipedia:
City upon a Hill
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_upon_a_Hill

"A Shining City on a Hill". Reagan's impromptu concession speech at the 1976 Republican National Convention has been called a "defining moment of the Reagan Revolution."
A City upon a Hill is a phrase from the parable of Salt and Light in Jesus' Sermon on the Mount. In Matthew 5:14, he tells his listeners, "You are the light of the world. A city that is set on a hill cannot be hidden." It has become popular with American politicians. The term is also influenced by Plato's Republic and the concept of the "good city" - a city-state governed by philosopher kings.

The Wikipedia also has:
Quote from: _https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_on_a_Hill
 
It may also refer to:
•   City upon a Hill, a line from a famous sermon by Puritan John Winthrop frequently invoked in discussions of American exceptionalism.
 

It may mean that American exceptionalism will come to a halt.  And would America be able to uphold exceptionalism without NATO? In this perspective much of the EU might go as well? Several European countries think of themselves as something rather unprecedented in the history of human civilization.

Session 3 September 2008 (http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,9609.0.html)
Q: (L) Okay. Why do you introduce tonight's adventures with "US is headed for destruction"?

A: Passed the point when anything could possibly be done to change the outcome.

Q: (L) What is this outcome?

A: Increasing inner turmoil. Review what happened in Germany.

Q: (L) Well, what happened in Germany in what period?

A: Towards the end of the war. Hitler's madness and the hatred of the world towards Germany.

Q: (L) Wasn't a pretty picture, was it? (J) In Germany, the rest of the world bombed Germany...

A: Yes. Expect it in the USA ultimately.

Q: (J) Would that be nuclear bombs?

A: And more.

Q: (A***) Is it going to destroy the rest of the world with it?

A: Not exactly... but the cosmic stuff will take its toll.

Q: (L) Anything else on that topic for the moment since we have other issues we want to cover?

A: Be alert.

Would "Lot" leave "the city" or is it enough for Lot to be a wise virgin?
How likely is a nuclear war?
If people begin to die off might the 435 nuclear power plants become a liability.
See how much fuel they use and which countries have them: _http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/Facts-and-Figures/World-Nuclear-Power-Reactors-and-Uranium-Requirements/)
Is nuclear waste a more serious problem than a serious plague?

If "Lot" should move then where is "Zoar", his temporary refuge?   
Any guesstimates for the locations of "Zoar and the mouintain caves" in our time?
Are "Lot's" 3D qualifications recognized/regulated in the new 3D place?
To demonstrate what it may mean in a gross sense of formal recognition of qualifications I found:
_http://www.enic-naric.net/
_http://ec.europa.eu/eures/home.jsp?lang=en&langChanged=true
For small business startups one may look up entrepreneurship in different locations.

About the place of a destruction there is also this:

Session Date: March 23rd 2013
Q: (L) That was a nice way of saying, "No dice!" So there is more out there that's coming, but you can't tell us exactly when, and the next one's gonna be a doozie; so we know that much. Are you saying you know that much?

A: Yes. Please put all former clues together for ballpark figure, keeping in mind that the universe is open thus there will always be variables.
What other clues might help, how close could one get in place and time?

To help in the guesstimates as to which places may suffer more violently, would there be a point of mapping where the Cropcircles were observed/ignored considering what the C’s said the 13th of February 2009?:
Quote from:  http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,21918.0.html
A: The wave cometh. Crop circles are a sort of grace offered to those slated for ultimate destruction. Why do you think so many have appeared in England? Those that receive such gifts and do not take their messages into their hearts will damn themselves and their own descendants to oblivion.

Q: (L) Can you imagine? The universe, the cosmos – fer gawd’s sake - speaks to you and all you're worried about is that your crop got messed up! It is so incredible to even conceive of it. (Ailen) But why mostly in England and not in other countries? (L) Well, they've appeared in other places, but the thing is that it's been mostly assigned to England. England is like the financial center of the world, where all the people came from who have dominated the planet. The whole "Western Civilization" thing... And what did they say? It's a warning to them and their descendants. And where are their descendants? All over the planet!

A: Yes. Exactly!

Is it possible that Lot and his family has to prepare for unusual/terrible experiences? 
I understand knowledge and application of knowledge is the preparation, but if one recalls that something unusual may happen, will it be easier?
If there will be a time where the living will envy the dead, how best to handle that?
I ask because it is said in The Philokalia in connection with a commentary on the ten virgins that the foolish virgins, “They were secretly enticed and overcome by malicious envy, by jelousy that hates everything good […(a very long list of negative mental attributes and it finisheshes with)] by despair which is the most dangerous of all, and by the suble workings of vice.” – source The Philokalia vol 1 page 151 in the Faber and Faber version 1979 (St Mark the Ascetic in Letter to Nicolas the Solitary.
Individual and collective suffering may leave one in despair but is the importance of despair exaggerated and just a normal response in a time of stress? 
   
In case many people die or suffer that one holds dear, will it be a challenge to overcome grief (if one does not move on first) and allow the dying to leave? I think the answer it yes, but considering this possibility, if it is worth doing, may ameliorate the shock.

[...]You have to gather knowledge AND APPLY it and there are a number of ideas we have gathered here:The idea of STO vs STSThe idea that networking is STOSince the network is important, one needs to find ways based on knowledge to make and keep it viable.Networking also includes working through one's programs and establishing mastery over the horse. Higher level networking includes "connecting chakras".
In relation to networking and connecting the chakras there is:
Quote from: http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,14395.0.html Session 24 October 2009
[...]
A: Once the external structure begins to take shape, real communities will form and chakra connection will be facilitated exponentially. Make haste but be gentle and wise. There is now more to be done so proceed with JOY. Goodbye.
There is more on connecting chakras in http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,14395.0.html
What that might mean is hard to say, but from Session 13 February 2011 (http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,21918.0.html) there is:
Quote
Q: (Andromeda) Was the thinning of the veil also responsible for the UFO some people saw at PaleoFest?
A: Oh indeed! But here the reason was a network enhancement of perception.
How does living closer to each other compare with inter-networking in terms of chakra connection?
How stable will the internet be?
How to prepare for networking in a zone with limited internet access?
Or do the wise virgin in that case rely on or transition to 4/5/6D connections instead of 3D networking?
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: sitting on March 31, 2013, 01:47:40 PM

I ask because it is said in The Philokalia in connection with a commentary on the ten virgins that the foolish virgins, “They were secretly enticed and overcome by malicious envy, by jelousy that hates everything good […(a very long list of negative mental attributes and it finisheshes with)] by despair which is the most dangerous of all, and by the suble workings of vice.”


I think jealousy...better yet malicious envy...is one of the big ones.  The one that truly locks us up, and keeps us imprisoned.  It's apparently so powerful and useful for that purpose, that it was deliberately engineered.  Laura was once told to find it at the occipital ridge.  The physical point where this negative feeling emanates.  Interestingly, that point is also considered to have the most difficult energy blockage in chigong's microcosmic orbit meditation.  And clearing it is no simple task. 

This recent German study on Facebook behavior also highlights the universal nature of this emotion.

http://www.digitaltrends.com/social-media/facebook-encourages-jealousy/
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: fisheye on March 31, 2013, 02:28:34 PM
thank you... back to the work
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Beorn on March 31, 2013, 06:54:35 PM
Thanks for the thoughtful session!  :D

Here are a few of my thoughts/questions:

Is one's intention at that point in time the most important determining factor when the 'bridegroom' arrives?

By one's intention I mean whether or not one has the desire to BE, the wish to be an active part of the universe, to be connected to the Divine. I think the desire to BE, the wish to BE is more important than anything else. Whether one lives or dies, stands or falls, this desire to participate and be a living part of the universe is worth more than anything else.

But how does one transform oneself, or allow oneself to be transformed? To be changed from the core of one's being?

Would prayer be a good way to prepare oneself? The miracle of prayer is the transformation of the self. The goal being to change one's desires/intentions to something more in line with the Divine will... with the focus being the development of patience, humility and a desire to serve humanity.

What role does faith play in our preparedness and the understanding that the universe is able and willing to save?

Does being prepared involve being free from attachments? If yes, could the network offer some kind of service to help release stubborn attachments that are not a result of karma but still violating the free will of members?
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: hiker on March 31, 2013, 09:31:42 PM
Thank you for sharing this latest session.  :)

I have also noticed a large number of people complaining of suffering from unusually long lasting (several weeks), flu like symptoms.

Great questions and contemplations on being prepared for the coming changes. It will be very interesting to hear the Cassiopaeans give further clues on the subject.

Just having foreknowledge about the cometary threat and earth changes, will be an invaluable "first step" in the worst case scenario.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: aaron r on March 31, 2013, 09:39:14 PM
Thanks for the session and thanks PoB for the Ten Virgins interpretation. I would welcome any discussion around preparedness.  :)
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: thorbiorn on March 31, 2013, 11:46:36 PM
I think jealousy...better yet malicious envy...is one of the big ones.  The one that truly locks us up, and keeps us imprisoned.  It's apparently so powerful and useful for that purpose, that it was deliberately engineered.  Laura was once told to find it at the occipital ridge.  The physical point where this negative feeling emanates.  Interestingly, that point is also considered to have the most difficult energy blockage in chigong's microcosmic orbit meditation.  And clearing it is no simple task. 

This recent German study on Facebook behavior also highlights the universal nature of this emotion.

http://www.digitaltrends.com/social-media/facebook-encourages-jealousy/
I tried to locate the occipital ridge:

_https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Occipital_ridge.gif
_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Occipital_bone_lateral4.png

Envy according to the _https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Envy is in Latin "invidia", which means nonsight. The whole article is informative.

There is also this: _http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/stop-walking-eggshells/201112/envy-part-the-definition-narcisistic-personality-disorder which is not surprising.

Another article points out that one may need to consider two varieties of narcissism and that they relate to envy differently. The first consists of very narcissistic people. These may not feel much envy because they are so enchanted by their own selfimage of superiority that they feel no envy, but expect others to envy them.  Then there is the other type:
Quote from: _http://www.news.iastate.edu/news/2013/02/12/narcissismenvy
“These individuals still think they’re special, entitled, and they want to be great, but they just can’t do it,” Krizan said. “As a result they’re vulnerable, their self-esteem fluctuates a lot, they tend to be self-conscious and not very proactive, but passive, shy, and introverted.”
 
When the feeling of envy is added to the mix, Krizan said it can be a potentially dangerous combination. Though vulnerable narcissists are not as overt in their behavior, they may be more prone to unexpected outbursts of aggression.
I am not fully convinced by this sharp division into two groups maybe it is more like a spectrum, but I have not gone into the details of the paper itself. The above is from the article. The paper can be found here: _http://www.psychology.iastate.edu/~zkrizan/pdf/Krizan%20&%20Johar%20(2012)%20Envy%20and%20narcissism.pdf

A psychotherapist, Birgit Petersson in a book called Misundelse (envy) from Munksgaard 1992 suggests that people have defense mechanism when it comes to envy. It is my impression she relies quite strongly on the theories of Melanie Klein. Some repress the feeling of envy to the extent that they can experience blackouts when the emotion of envy becomes strong. This entails that they can later not recall the event which was associated with their feeling of envy. Another mechanism is displacement of the emotion, as when the emotion of envy is interpreted as another negative emotion.  Then there is the mechanism of fighting off envy of others by lowering the value of oneself, another option is to lower the value of the person or quality that is envied. Greed can also be a way to subdue the feeling of envy. One example would be overeating. because it can be a way to subdue and cover up the feeling of forbidden emotions. Envy can express itself as suppression of feelings of love and intensification of feelings of hate, or in some cases just cultivating emotional indifference. Also there is the possibility of substituting envy with unreasonable idealization or praise.

One objection to this idea of defense mechanisms is that some of the strategies could work more like STS offense strategies. Degrading someone else's creativity because one does not exhibits that quality might be one candidate.

The way the author suggests to diminish the impact of envy is by gaining insights into the mechanisms of envy, to become aware of it, so that it does not take a destructive turn. She points out that according to her practice people who are more educated, more mature, have a high level of knowledge, are open to the world and its variety of expressions, who can live and let live, who believe that there more than one single absolute truth be it religious or scientific are less prone to be overtaken by envy. In other words, "knowledge protects."  The idea of the author that one can diminish envy gaining insight (as opposed to "nonsight") through knowledge compares well with the advice of the C's that one should expect attack, know the modes of same and know how to counteract.

And to connect envy to the story of the virgins there is the following in the Philokalia vol IV  _http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Philokalia-Vol-St-Nikodimos-St-Makarios/dp/0571117279/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1364763617&sr=8-1:
Quote from: page 244-245
Those completely given over to the pursuits of the flesh and full of self-love are always slaves to sensual pleasure and to vanity. Envy, too, is rooted in them. Consumed by malice and embittered by their neighbour's blessings, they calumniate good as bad, calling it the fruit of deceit. They do not accept things of the Spirit or believe in them; and because of their lack of faith they cannot see or know God. Such people, due to this same blindness and lack of faith, on the last day will justly hear spoken to them the words, 'I know you not' (Matt. 25:12).
Matt 25:12 is in fact the last line in the story of the Wise virgins, before the conclusion in verse 13. Some of what is in the Philokalia quote can be related to the  more currents understandings of envy. "Self-love" could translate into narcissism for instance, and "calumniate good as bad" corresponds to the  mechanism of  degrading the quality or person envied.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: mariowil7 on April 01, 2013, 01:56:31 AM
Thanks to Laura, Ark and all the Chateau crew!!!...

And the C's of course for the hints in how to learn to connect the dots... by ourselves.


In this post and in subsequent future post (this week) I will address some things that come to my mind

after reading all this thread (took some days to do that.)

Just to be clear my post just reflects my understanding of some things and I will be glad in some mistakes

or miss conception in my points of view did come to surface, in that cases I will appreciate in advance the

the pointers given by other members of the forum.

1. THE CHELYABINSK - 70 Research facility and the near Russia’s national command and control system Yamantau Mountain complex.

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This seems as science being used with the only purpose of killing another human beings as the C's clear state here:

"A: Yes. But scientists have been blinded by being led by the blind!

Q: (L) Hmm. So you say, "Scientists have been blinded by being led by the blind." Do you mean that...

A: When science is used for killing they have lost their honor and their way. Remember the parable of the talents. The man who was afraid and hid and hoarded? Then when the master came he was cast into darkness with the weepers and wailers. Thus shall it be yet again."

As (as stated by the C's), and the comments of  Sony, Jason (ocean59), Data and others have pointed the "Negativity" issue that keep attracting Comets and Meteors.

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I am also very intrigued by this question and I think it relates to what Belibaste was asking about people being an 'attractor' or 'repellent' of various bodies of the sky. Obviously, gravitation and electrical charge are the main forces that influence the trajectory and location where a comet will hit. But the C's hinted at more:

It is no casual that the latest big one that fell in Russia chooses the Chelyabinsk region (it is full of bases indeed:.)

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nuclear weapons lab facility, Chelyabinsk-70

_http://www.osti.gov/bridge/product.biblio.jsp?osti_id=434873

"...The AR Russian Institute of Technical Physics (VNIITF), also called Chelyabinsk-70, is one of two Russian federal nuclear centers established to design, test and support nuclear weapons throughout their life cycle. The site contains research facilities which use nuclear materials, two experimental plants which manufacture prototype samples for nuclear weapons, and a site for various ground tests. Chelyabinsk-70 also has cooperative relationships with the major nuclear materials production facilities in the Urals region of Russia. Chelyabinsk-70 has been participating in the US/Russian Laboratory-to-laboratory cooperative program for approximately one year. Six US Department of Energy Laboratories are carrying out a program of cooperation with VNIITF to improve the capabilities and facilities for nuclear materials protection, control, and accounting (MPC&A) at VNIITF. A Safeguards Effectiveness Evaluation Workshop was conducted at VNIITF in July, 1995. Enhanced safeguards systems are being implemented, initially at a reactor test area that contains three pulse reactors. Significant improvements to physical security and access control systems are under way. C-70 is developing an extensive computerized system that integrates the physical security alarm station with elements of the nuclear material control system. The existing systems will be augmented with Russian and US technologies. This paper will describe the on-going activities and describe the cooperative effort between the Lawrence Livermore, Los Alamos, Sandia, Oak Ridge, Pacific Northwest, and Brookhaven US Department of Energy National Laboratories and VNIITF..."

Russia’s top secret bases

_http://www.windowonheartland.net/2012/02/russias-top-secret-bases.html

"...Russia’s national command and control system is dispersed among different hardened underground locations. According to US sources, two of the main secret bases are located in the Ural Mountains, where conventionally European Russia ends and greater Siberia begins. The first one is the Yamantau Mountain complex. Located near the closed town of Mezhgorye, in the Republic of Bashkortostan, this site is not far from Russia’s main nuclear weapons lab facility, Chelyabinsk-70. Military analysts suspect that Yamantau’s huge 400-square-mile underground complex houses nuclear warhead and missile storage sites, launch control and several full-blown nuclear weapons factories designed to continue production after a hypothetical nuclear war begins..."

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Quote from: Laura on March 24, 2013, 05:14:32 PM
A: Not only electric charge. In the realm from which some of these things are manifested or, better, "directed", information is king.

So in light of that information IT IS NOT CASUAL THAT THE COMET (Meteors) fell in that place, It seems that the Universe was giving an early warning to the folks (scientists and military personal involved in that bases) and the PTB consequently.

Yes, for the Comets and Meteors INFORMATION IS KING!!!...

That event is clearly an advice for to where maybe the next ones will fall...  Military bases any one!!!...

in my future next post I will discuss the Three Virgins parables in light of some peculiar christian religion...

And my suggestion of questions to the next C's session.  :cool2: :cool2: :cool2: ;)
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Menna on April 01, 2013, 05:39:23 PM
After reading this thread what jumped in my mind was the movie Batman Begins. In the movie Batman Begins there is this group called the League of Shadows.

"The League of Shadows was an ancient and powerful secret society whose stated purpose was to restore balance to the world by enacting purges at various points in history. They targeted places they deemed were the greatest sources of civilization's corruption and decadence, places that led to suffering and injustice. Acting as a self-appointed check against human corruption for thousands of years, some of the previous activities of the League included the sacking of Rome, starting the Black Plague, and the great London fire."

So the League of Shadows distroys societys that are corrupt to restore balance here on earth. This made me think of the Comets as the League of Shadows but restoring balance not on a worldly scale but a universal scale. Makes sense, need positivity and negativity even in 6D for balance. Looks like this World is heavily tipping the sclaes to more negativity then positivity and the comets or ice age will restore balance. Personaly I hope its an Ice age as it will still have the cleaning house effect and I feel there is a better chance of survival for those prepared and feel you can be more prepared for an ice age then a huge boulder the size of Texas. 
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: sitting on April 01, 2013, 11:17:20 PM

Quote from: _http://www.news.iastate.edu/news/2013/02/12/narcissismenvy
“These individuals still think they’re special, entitled, and they want to be great, but they just can’t do it,” Krizan said. “As a result they’re vulnerable, their self-esteem fluctuates a lot, they tend to be self-conscious and not very proactive, but passive, shy, and introverted.”
 
When the feeling of envy is added to the mix, Krizan said it can be a potentially dangerous combination. Though vulnerable narcissists are not as overt in their behavior, they may be more prone to unexpected outbursts of aggression.


A prime example might be the case of the nanny who brutally killed those two young children in her care.  Apparently she was educated (with an accounting degree from her home country) but was only able to find work as a nanny in New York city.  Her vulnerability, rage, and envy (of the Krim family) eventually came bursting forth in an unspeakable act.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: jasminum on April 02, 2013, 12:30:55 AM
Thank you for the session, C's, Laura and team!  :)
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: MethodOfMadness on April 02, 2013, 02:09:51 AM
Woot woot, bring on the wave, and those crazy surfers riding it.

I'm feeling a bit strange today, sorry for my silliness. Thanks for the session...I was wondering when you would do another one....I miss them a lot.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Starshine on April 02, 2013, 03:17:20 AM
Really interesting comments, especially PoB, Muxel and thorbiorn for the reminders.
The parable of the virgins appears to be really clear in my mind now. I will bring a personnal and interesting (at least from my point of view) experience that relates to this.
The day before yesterday, I was in my second session of massage formation, and there was also an art-therapy workshop based on colors on the floor below, the animator asked us if we wanted to come after our schedule. I did with a few others.

I never had painted nor drawn and that's what was interesting to them. They just said, sit down and take a brush. Nothing is expected, no specific results. And, well.. I was scared, my hand and so the brush were shaking a little, I had no idea what to do, but I had to do what I wanted to ! Using all the paper (it was watercolor on a wet sheet) and just mixing 2 colors (red and yellow for me).

I realised that I came back to my inner child, scared to give a result. Scared to be creative. How powerful was that rather basical experience. I ended with my fingers, the animator pointing out that I had to do it with my hand as a child (also seeing the connexion with massages), really physical, metabolic, without the tool that gives the mental perspective to the painting. It was like being back to this specific state instantly. I had someone to talk to during the workshop and it was interesting to release verbally what came to me.

After I finished, I didn't feel really happy about what I did, but during it I felt more and more confident to just be creative for the sake of being creative. I was really emotionnal and felt truly sincere with myself and with others, I had to be truthful about my feelings to the ones I was talking too. The unusual and strong feeling lasted for 2 hours in my heart. It was a release, I was seeing people differently and was calmer (not that I'm overstressed).

And this relate to those comments :

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[The foolish]
The foolish virgins with lamps and no oil are those who are on one level of Truth and knowledge intellectually—a higher level—but live and do according to another level. They know one thing, and live and do another.

These in the very nature of things shut themselves out from the Kingdom of Heaven—that is, from the attainment of this higher level possible to Man which is his real meaning. It is not that the door is shut on them. The door is not shut; they shut the door on themselves.

The kind of oil they get from "buying and selling", the oil of merit, is not that required for entry into another level of humanity. So they are said to be "not clever". They are not clever because they do not see that it is to themselves and the kind of people they are that the teaching of Christ applies. They must not merely think in a new way, through the ideas of the Word, but must themselves become different kinds of people.

They may know and even believe the Truth on a higher level, and at the same time live on another level, not applying the Truth to themselves. This is their problem: their actual lives are not governed by their knowledge. They know one thing and will another thing.

The foolish, ... knowing the teaching, continue to seek their Good from life, from rewards, from reputation, from being first, getting to higher and higher positions, having better morals than others, being thought well of, from outwardly conforming to laws and social standards, when internally they are quite different and are only restrained by fear. This is the only Good they know and so they must follow it.
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 A man is not merely his understanding but what he wills from it, and this is what he does, and this is the whole man. The Word—that is, the psychological teaching in the Gospels—is to make a man different, first in thought, and then in being, so that he becomes a New Man. Merely to know about the Word and to make one's oil—one's Good—from the advantages, intrigues and merits of life is not to have the oil that belongs to the lamp of Christ. To act from the Word, to act from this teaching about inner evolution, this higher state of Man, to begin to do a very few things in the light of Christ's words through seeing what they mean and liking the ideas and so being able to will them, without any sense of reward, is another matter. One single act done from willing some truth belonging to that order of teaching called the Word will lift a man for a moment far beyond his usual level. In such an act there is no question of bargaining, no question of "how much?", no question of "where do I come in?" and no boasting about it afterwards. One such thing done in the purest part of your understanding because you see the necessity and reality and so the Good of it, one such thing done from the inner will, can begin to set in motion something that has hitherto remained silent and motionless. The seed starts to life. The man, as a seed on which the Word can fall, begins to awaken. Light enters into his inner darkness. Truth is one thing, the spirit another—and a man must be re−born, from water and spirit, before he can become a New Man. Water is the Truth, the knowledge and teaching about a higher level; and spirit is a man's will passing into this knowledge and uniting it with him, through his seeing its Good, its value. No amount of external teaching will bring about this result. A person may have a lamp—but only through his own most intimate will, only through his deepest consent, only through obeying in secret the knowledge that has formed the lamp in him, will he make oil for it. It is just here that everyone is free. It is just here that everyone, through an inner action, can evolve or not evolve.

This drawing ended up being some kind of fire coiled in the whole sheet, really primitive and full of emotions. I just realised that I had been ruled by this fear to be creative longer than what I thought. Scared to express myself, to just let go and see which direction it could take. I understood something really important, and it relates to those parables and this comment of Laura :

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Also, the concept of KNOWLEDGE being the key to transitioning is supremely important.  All you have to do is think about the Parable of the Talents to get the point.  It really isn't important that you have "supreme knowledge" or that you are totally prepared by virtue of that supreme knowledge, what is important is what you do with what you have!  Another useful parable is that of the 10 Wise Virgins.  Then, there is the "Widow's Mite" principle.  If a person is doing all they can with what they have, and the AIM is to contribute to the STO position, then if there are energies of transition/ change/ whatever, those energies will "frequency resonance" match to yours and you don't have to get your knickers in a knot of fear.

If you are just doing all you can to gather knowledge, to apply what knowledge you DO have to whatever is set before you each day, with an overarching AIM of "knowing the truth that sets us free" (keep in mind that "knowing" is also LOVE), and being connected to a network striving to strengthen the STO reality/position, you'll be okay!

It's not perfection that is important, it is the STRIVING, the continued movement, the refusal to stagnate, the constant efforts to give and help in whatever way is available to you that counts.


These are ideas that have come to me in the writing of "Moses" because when I write, I go into a somewhat altered state and all kinds of things just sort themselves out somehow.

An experience (rather simple) that will not fade in my mind. It's talking about possibilities, how clear was it that it was me setting on my own limitations facing this inoffensive white sheet, but stuck and blocked to the infinite possibilities that it could take. Just because I set it during my growth. It's been a liberation and hopefully will take some perspective if I ponder it correctly and apply it to our reality, about networking and being creative in every possible sens.
Hope some of you will find it interesting.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: l apprenti de forgeron on April 02, 2013, 04:34:21 AM

Thank you very much Cs, Laura and team!. I must to think a lot about this session (as all of them). I feel the death of my loved ones and myself getting closer and I completely paralyzed. Well, much to think -and felt- about.
Thank you again.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Alana on April 02, 2013, 04:57:52 AM

Thank you very much Cs, Laura and team!. I must to think a lot about this session (as all of them). I feel the death of my loved ones and myself getting closer and I completely paralyzed.

Death is always close to us and those we love. I think it is normal for the thought to scare us, but if we acknowledge that our death is so close all the time perhaps we can appreciate more of life and instead of feeling paralyzed, become motivated and mobilized to put the most into and get the most out of every moment of our lives?

I started reading the book, The Denial of Self the other day. I am still in the second chapter, and I feel anxiety reading it, I admit. But isn't this anxiety part of disillusionment, and isn't this what we strive for in life? Perhaps what Becker (the author) and Socratis advice as to do, practice dying, has something to do with this oil we are supposed to be preserving/accumulating, considering how much energy we spend avoiding the one fact of this life: that we are going to die (or we will die to life as we know it)? I don't know, I just started the book, but it has me thinking for sure. 
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: voyageur on April 02, 2013, 07:12:22 AM
Thank you PoB for the beautiful commentary about the ten virgins, I'm going to print it out.  :)

Indeed, thank you PoB.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: obyvatel on April 02, 2013, 07:37:52 AM
Perhaps what Becker (the author) and Socratis advice as to do, practice dying, has something to do with this oil we are supposed to be preserving/accumulating, considering how much energy we spend avoiding the one fact of this life: that we are going to die (or we will die to life as we know it)?

   Avoidance of death has been discussed by Stoic philosophers. Epictetus (likely following Socrates) held that it is not death but our opinion and fear of death that causes us problems.

Quote from: Epictetus
  Reflect that the chief source of all evils to Man, and of baseness and cowardice, is not death, but the fear of death. Against this fear then, I pray you, harden yourself; to this let all your reasonings, your exercises, your reading tend. Then shall you know that thus alone are men set free.

    From Marcus Aurelius
Quote from:  Marcus Aurelius : Meditations
  If one sees death for what it is, and with the power of Intelligence strips away all its imaginary characteristics, one will then understand death to be nothing more than a natural process, and it is childish to be afraid of a natural process. Moreover, this is not only a natural process, but is for the well-being of Nature herself.


   The starting point in the  process of preparing for death may be this prescription

Quote from: Epictetus
  In everything which pleases the soul, or supplies a want, or is loved, remember to add this to the (description, notion): What is the nature of each thing, beginning from the smallest? If you love an earthen vessel, say it is an earthen vessel which you love; for when it has been broken you will not be disturbed. If you are kissing your child or wife, say that it is a human being whom you are kissing, for when the wife or child dies you will not be disturbed.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Muxel on April 02, 2013, 08:31:01 AM
thorbiorn (and sitting),

Now that you mention it, it's curious that this parable is about virgins and oil for lamps, but ends with the "knocking on the door to Heaven" theme that is found in Luke.

Quote from: Mark
Afterward the other virgins came also, saying, 'Lord, lord, open to us.' But he answered, 'Truly, I say to you, I do not know you.'

Quote from: Luke
Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them, 'Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.'

When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:

Then shall ye begin to say, 'We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.'

But he shall say, 'I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.'

There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.

(Why did the authors of the former use the analogy of "virgins with lamps"? What meanings were attached to this analogy that are lost to us in the present?)

Interesting that the Philokalia mentions the foolish virgins having given themselves over to envy, jealousy - the whole cocktail. Take a look at this from Ernest Becker:

Quote from: Escape from Evil, p. 11—13
By the time we get to man we find that he is in an almost constant struggle not to be diminished in his organismic importance. But as he is also and especially a symbolic organism, this struggle against being diminished is carried on on the most minute levels of symbolic complexity. To be outshone by another is to be attacked at some basic level of organismic durability. To lose, to be second rate, to fail to keep up with the best and the highest sends a message to the nerve center of the organism's anxiety: "I am overshadowed, inadequate; hence I do not qualify for continued durability, for life, for eternity; hence I will die." William James saw this everyday anxiety over failure and recorded it with his usual pungent prose:

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Failure, then failure! so the world stamps us at every turn. We strew it with our blunders, our misdeeds, our lost opportunities, with all the memorials of our inadequacy to our vocation. And with what a damning emphasis does it then blot us out! . . . The subtlest forms of suffering known to man are connected with the poisonous humiliations incidental to these results. . . . And they are pivotal human experiences. A process so ubiquitous and everlasting is evidently an integral part of life.

We just saw why: because it is connected to the fundamental motive of organismic appetite: to endure, to continue experiencing, and to know that one can continue because he possesses some special excellence that makes him immune to diminution and death.

This explains too the ubiquitousness of envy. Envy is the signal of danger that the organism sends to itself when a shadow is being cast over it, when it is threatened with being diminished. Little wonder that Leslie Farber could call envy a primary emotional substratum, or that Helmut Schoeck could write a whole stimulating book about envy as a central focus of social behavior. The "fear of being reduced . . . almost seems to have a life of its own inside one's being," as Alan Harrington so well put it in a couple of brilliant pages on envy.

I am making this detour into phenomenological ontology only to remind the reader of the great stake the organism has in blowing itself up in size, importance, and durability. Because only if we understand how natural this motive is can we understand how it is only in society that man can get the symbolic measures for the degrees of his importance, his qualification for extradurability. And it is only by contrasting and comparing himself to like organisms, to his fellow men, that he can judge if he has some extra claim to importance. Obviously it is not very convincing about one's ultimate worth to be better than a lobster, or even a fox; but to outshine "that fellow sitting over there, the one with the black eyes"—now that is something that carries the conviction of ultimacy. To paraphrase Buber, the faces of men carry the highest meaning to other men.

As an aside, I remember once having my ego pricked by a squirrel. In order to fight off various insecurities, I had "lied to myself" with an illusory self-affirmation where I was everybody's superior in terms of talent, intellect, etc. One afternoon (on a sadistic impulse) I decided to prevent a squirrel from crossing a road. The squirrel made a start to the right, and as I moved to check it, it bounded off to the left and away. I felt outwitted, out-reflexed, by the squirrel. My self-importance was offended. From such situations I saw that "programs" - and the triggering of them - need not even be rational. Thus, automatons every last one of us.

Swedenborg on the subject of envy:

Quote from: The Soul, or Rational Psychology
Particular envy is common to all, and most natural, for it is found even in little children, and in brute animals and their young. For example, we envy in another that which we ourselves love, as a lover the bride, and a competitor the honour of his rival ; so in other things, the envy never extending beyond the limit of that which we love and desire.

But a general envy arises from the supreme love of self. It envies all people, all things, and each one particular thing ; it imagines the universe its own and for itself, and itself as the whole and not a part. It envies others their heaven ; the devil envies even Deity his power. Thus at heart it is the enemy of all. But he who is not a lover of self, but generous, is not envious. From the description of hatred and anger, if these are compared, still further particulars may be derived [concerning envy].

Quote from: The Soul, or Rational Psychology
The love of being near to God who is loved is the most eminently spiritual love, for it is in the very nature of love itself. Hence when there is pure love there is nothing of the love of being above one's companions, that is, no love contrary to the love for a friend. With this contrary love pure love has nothing in common. It does not reflect upon itself; but should it do so, lest there should come a desire of precedence over one's friend it would assign itself the lowest place of all. But God Himself is the One who exalts, and thus the love to be nearest to the beloved can exist without any desire of eminence ; wherefore it pertains immediately to the love of God, but not to the love of the neighbour as oneself. Then indeed the love of self wholly vanishes, and there arises a sort of contempt of self, on seeing oneself to be near to God and yet so infinitely distant from Him and to be almost nothing. Through Him alone has he any being, and the more in the degree that he is nearer to Him. When there exists this pure love, together with a love towards the neighbour, then there is an absence of jealousy if another is nearer to Him, and superior to himself; for then he loves the superior so much the more because he is nearer to God whom he himself loves. But indeed, if he does not look solely to love towards God, but regards also his own happiness, eminence, or love of self, then the love is not pure but mingled with jealousy. Envy ever presupposes something of love of self, of eminence among equals, and always reveals that it is so far distant from the love towards God.

Lastly,

Quote from: Session 28 August 1999
Q:  On many occasions you have said that the ideal thing is to have perfect balance of physicality and ethereality.  This has been said on a number of occasions.  Now, I don't understand how it can be that gratification of a physical body can be the mechanics by which one is entrapped?  Is it not gratifying to look at something beautiful?  Is it wrong, sinful, or a form of a fall, to look at beauty, to hear something beautiful such as music, or to touch something that is sensually delightful such as a piece of silk or the skin of a loved one?  These various things that the human being derives pleasure from very often elevate them to a spiritual state.

A:  Possession is the key.

Q:  What do you mean?

A:  In STS, you possess.

Q:  That's what I am saying here...

A:  If you move through the beautiful flowers, the silk, the skin of another, but do not seek to possess...
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: voyageur on April 02, 2013, 09:25:44 AM
Perhaps what Becker (the author) and Socratis advice as to do, practice dying, has something to do with this oil we are supposed to be preserving/accumulating, considering how much energy we spend avoiding the one fact of this life: that we are going to die (or we will die to life as we know it)?

   Avoidance of death has been discussed by Stoic philosophers. Epictetus (likely following Socrates) held that it is not death but our opinion and fear of death that causes us problems.

    From Marcus Aurelius
Quote from:  Marcus Aurelius : Meditations
  If one sees death for what it is, and with the power of Intelligence strips away all its imaginary characteristics, one will then understand death to be nothing more than a natural process, and it is childish to be afraid of a natural process. Moreover, this is not only a natural process, but is for the well-being of Nature herself.


   The starting point in the  process of preparing for death may be this prescription

Quote from: Epictetus
  In everything which pleases the soul, or supplies a want, or is loved, remember to add this to the (description, notion): What is the nature of each thing, beginning from the smallest? If you love an earthen vessel, say it is an earthen vessel which you love; for when it has been broken you will not be disturbed. If you are kissing your child or wife, say that it is a human being whom you are kissing, for when the wife or child dies you will not be disturbed.

Your quotes are insightful reflections upon death. I've sat with dear friends in their final time and had those close go suddenly when not being there (a shock, the hardest). Being there for them, just being with them, holding their hand, reading a few pages or helping them with their immediate personal needs, was a deep lesson in helping to look upon our human transformation - preparing, listening, saying goodbye, yet somehow saying hello, this will be as it will be someday, too; it is our very "nature".     


Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: sitting on April 02, 2013, 11:30:00 AM

Quote from: Session 28 August 1999

A:  Possession is the key.

Q:  What do you mean?

A:  In STS, you possess.

Q:  That's what I am saying here...

A:  If you move through the beautiful flowers, the silk, the skin of another, but do not seek to possess...


This is another of the big ones.  And in my mind perhaps even bigger than anticipation.  Or envy

For me, the most immediate relevance of possession is how it affects my thoughts and attitude towards my grown children.  Thankfully I think I'm nearly home on that one.  The various material things surrounding my life is the easy part.  I can see through it. 
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: shellycheval on April 02, 2013, 02:15:23 PM
Thank you POB for Nicoll's interpretation of the parable of the ten virgins and the discussion of the Language of the Parables.
It provides profound food for contemplation (in preparation for action!).
Observing the discrepancies in translations make me wish I could read the original texts in the ancient Greek.
shellycheval
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Soluna on April 02, 2013, 02:30:24 PM
Thank you for sharing, as always. It's interesting to witness the pieces of the puzzle coming together.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Ariadna on April 02, 2013, 05:19:23 PM
I think it is difficult to anticipate or foresee the scope of possible cometary impacts. How can we be prepared for events of this magnitude, date uncertain, likely locations, I guess.
I wonder if our preparation will have to do with our knowledge of the reality of the world, the development of our personality, our consciousness ... our esoteric work.
If we think in terms of our 3D, will have time to prepare?

Maybe this post would fit better somewhere else, but this session, especially the closing comments, hit me quite hard. I always feel a kind of anxiety when I'm reminded of preparation, like I'm totally not doing enough to be prepared.

Spending a lot of time doing Uni work and other such things, when I'm pretty well convinced that the poop is about to hit the fan, feels like I'm living a total lie. Sometimes I think I should just drop out, learn some proper handy real life skills, and really get prepared for tough times and have something substantial to give to others. But then, despite the monotony of Uni and my job, they keep the money coming in. Enough to allow me good food, and books anyway, as well as both being opportunities for self Work.

Maybe I'm just being drastic here, but it feels like the universe is bringing out the bright neon signs and, although I'm paying attention, it just doesn't feel like I'm acting on these signs like I should.

Thank you for the session :)

Maybe ya'll can formulate some simple progressions of questions about what it really means to be "prepared"?  I promise we'll do another very soon!!!  It's just been hectic around here, one thing after another, and finally the taxes were all done after weeks of accounting data entry.  So now, with the business out of the way, we can try to get back to normal, whatever that is.  In short, another session soon, so let's get some good questions together about what "being prepared" really means.  I have the feeling that it isn't what people usually think.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: dant on April 02, 2013, 05:58:35 PM
Thanks PoB for the excerpts from Nicoll's, "A New Man".

I managed to find Nicoll's book in PDF, here (http://esotericquotes-eq.asg.netdna-cdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/books/nicoll/The_New_Man_-_Nicoll.pdf)

Attached is PoB review, as PDF, with slight enhancements.

Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Drazen on April 02, 2013, 09:02:15 PM
Thanks dant and PoB, for finding Nicoll's book and for the excerpts. :thup: 
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: France on April 03, 2013, 02:13:55 AM
Thank you very much to translate this session. I very appreciate.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Joanne on April 03, 2013, 09:13:33 AM
First of all, thank you Laura and team for the session and C’s for your help!  This is all so exciting and we are living it!!!

Why not consider that there may be opportunities presented after the “…doozie! And it has ‘friends!” to grow ourselves and opportunities to Serve Others thus helping ourselves and others grow as STO candidates to possibly reach that magic threshold of 51% before we hopefully open our own door to 4d?  This means food and supplies for ourselves and if possible, for others.  Not gather but spread out and share the knowledge we have accumulated to help the best we can and not worry about our own survival as we will have prepared ourselves via networking, reading, EE, diets, etc. to exit and enter 3d/4d the best we can with what time and effort we have been willing to put into this learning opportunity.

Is this possibly exercising the two parables, Wise Virgins (our accumulated knowledge within ourselves, our oil), Talents (fear, hide and hoard) but share?

I don’t know about all of you but yes, I will be scared ******, sad and excited at the same time.  But remember, we have all opted for the short wave cycle and I am desperately ready for the wave and 4d thus, truth.

Ark, I look forward to your 'new door'.


Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: CEC on April 03, 2013, 12:36:09 PM
Thank you for the new post!!
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Divide By Zero on April 03, 2013, 03:07:31 PM
Interesting session!  Thanks for getting it on here so quickly!

One aspect of the wise and foolish virgins may be related to preparing for death/ a new world.

The C's mentioned that to graduate we have to learn "simple karmic lessons".  A while back I was thinking about how the karmic wheel keeps spinning and spinning.  This may be what keeps us latched here onto 3d STS, thinking that "next time" we will do things better, perhaps a perfectionism of the soul?

Maybe the simple karmic lesson is that we can't do everything absolutely right, but what matters is that we try our hardest to do things in a fair, STO-like way.  That includes not feeding those who manipulate us.

Perhaps that is "getting the oil", to be prepared not to head back... to get things in order and not perpetuate this karmic hamster wheel we run in?

Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Tristan on April 03, 2013, 03:19:33 PM
In my opinion a very similar conclusion! Prepare for the death of oneself or others nearby, or the world as we know so far
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: sitting on April 03, 2013, 04:26:10 PM

I don’t know about all of you but yes, I will be scared ******, sad and excited at the same time. 


What a wonderfully descriptive, concise, and appropriate set of emotions!
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Anthony on April 03, 2013, 04:48:30 PM
I am reminded of what according to wikipedia is a sufi saying, which king Solomon had engraved on his ring.
Prayer and death remembering seem to be good daily practices.

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One day Solomon decided to humble Benaiah ben Yehoyada, his most trusted minister. He said to him, 'Benaiah, there is a certain ring that I want you to bring to me. I wish to wear it for Sukkot which gives you six months to find it.'
'If it exists anywhere on earth, your majesty,' replied Benaiah, 'I will find it and bring it to you, but what makes the ring so special?'
'It has magic powers,' answered the king. 'If a happy man looks at it, he becomes sad, and if a sad man looks at it, he becomes happy.' Solomon knew that no such ring existed in the world, but he wished to give his minister a little taste of humility.
To cut a long story short, he found one and took it to Solomon
'Here it is, your majesty!' As soon as Solomon read the inscription, the smile vanished from his face. The jeweller had written three Hebrew letters on the gold band: 'gimel, zayin, yud', which began the words 'Gam zeh ya'avor' -- 'This too shall pass.'

At that moment Solomon realized that all his wisdom and fabulous wealth and tremendous power were but fleeting things, for one day he would be nothing but dust.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Pashalis on April 03, 2013, 05:05:02 PM
In my opinion a very similar conclusion! Prepare for the death of oneself or others nearby, or the world as we know so far

Well that is not my understanding of preparedness aka. "Those who wish to participate in the future should "be prepared" like the wise virgins."

While the "death of oneself or others" maybe plays a possible (in the sense of possibility) part of "be prepared" like the wise virgins, I think the main thing this phrase is refering to is, as we seem to have uncovered here, that we need to do the work  and apply it or:

Cassiopaeans, 09-28-02:
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'Life is religion. Life experiences reflect how one interacts with God. Those who are asleep are those of little faith in terms of their interaction with the creation. Some people think that the world exists for them to overcome or ignore or shut out. For those individuals, the world will cease. They will become exactly what they give to life. They will become merely a dream in the 'past.' People who pay strict attention to objective reality right and left, become the reality of the 'Future.'
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Parallel on April 03, 2013, 05:54:58 PM
In my opinion a very similar conclusion! Prepare for the death of oneself or others nearby, or the world as we know so far

Well that is not my understanding of preparedness aka. "Those who wish to participate in the future should "be prepared" like the wise virgins."

While the "death of oneself or others" maybe plays a possible (in the sense of possibility) part of "be prepared" like the wise virgins, I think the main thing this phrase is refering to is, as we seem to have uncovered here, that we need to do the work  and apply it or:

Cassiopaeans, 09-28-02:
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'Life is religion. Life experiences reflect how one interacts with God. Those who are asleep are those of little faith in terms of their interaction with the creation. Some people think that the world exists for them to overcome or ignore or shut out. For those individuals, the world will cease. They will become exactly what they give to life. They will become merely a dream in the 'past.' People who pay strict attention to objective reality right and left, become the reality of the 'Future.'

The way I'm summing it up at the moment is that 'dying to the world' is an essential part of oil preparation for the lamp. We need first knowledge and discernment between A and B influences, "paying strict attention to reality left and right". To know which information motivates our driver, horse and carriage in their seperate whims, and how this relates to possesion of A influences (programs, envy, anticipation etc). Applying the knowledge, heeding the voice of B influences is filling the lamp. In turn taking one closer to the second birth, forming a magnetic centre and thus dying to the worlds influence.   
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Zadius Sky on April 03, 2013, 05:57:07 PM
Attached is PoB review, as PDF, with slight enhancements.

Thanks so much, dant, for that pdf file to which I've printed it out, and PoB for your interpretation.

 :)
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Anthony on April 03, 2013, 06:57:52 PM
In my opinion a very similar conclusion! Prepare for the death of oneself or others nearby, or the world as we know so far

Well that is not my understanding of preparedness aka. "Those who wish to participate in the future should "be prepared" like the wise virgins."

While the "death of oneself or others" maybe plays a possible (in the sense of possibility) part of "be prepared" like the wise virgins, I think the main thing this phrase is refering to is, as we seem to have uncovered here, that we need to do the work  and apply it or:

Cassiopaeans, 09-28-02:
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'Life is religion. Life experiences reflect how one interacts with God. Those who are asleep are those of little faith in terms of their interaction with the creation. Some people think that the world exists for them to overcome or ignore or shut out. For those individuals, the world will cease. They will become exactly what they give to life. They will become merely a dream in the 'past.' People who pay strict attention to objective reality right and left, become the reality of the 'Future.'

The fact that we are going to die is 'objective reality'.
And if by work you also mean the 4th way then death remembering is just that - it was recommended by Gurdjieff.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Parallel on April 03, 2013, 09:48:01 PM
How stable will the internet be?
How to prepare for networking in a zone with limited internet access?
Or do the wise virgin in that case rely on or transition to 4/5/6D connections instead of 3D networking?
There was the note about kites  :/

Quote from: http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,28424.msg353841.html#msg353841
A: 7367. Kites were used for cross communication between bloodline members.

Q: Kites?! What do kites have to do with it? What the heck... you guys are driving me NUTS! Do you mean kites as in paper and string or kites as in the bird?

A: Yes, paper wood and string.

Q: (C) Like smoke signals? (L) Well, how is flying a kite... (C) Well, if it has a certain symbol on it...

A: And shape.

Q: What shape is that?

A: No, not now.

Q: (C) Well, maybe the shape of a cleft chin? [Laughter] (L) Fair skin, cleft chin... (C) Yeah, and how did they communicate when it was raining? (L) Yeah, and at night? Did they set them on fire? Kites. This is obviously something that... (C) This is implying that such people know they have the bloodline and keep in touch with each other? (L) Or, is this something for the future when those of the bloodline wake up?

A: Yes.

Q: All of the above? Or just the last part?

A: Latter.

Q: So, we need to go fly a kite... (C) With a particular shape and symbol...

A: Research kites.

Let's say internet, regular mail and pigeon post centrals are down, but Haarp is still beaming and scrambling any potential telepathic communication (don't know if that would follow), then kites could be used to carry coded messages when let go on the winds, seems a bit random though from a 3d mindset.

Quote from: wiki
Ancient and medieval Chinese sources list other uses of kites for measuring distances, testing the wind, lifting men, signaling, and communication for military operations.[15] The earliest known Chinese kites were flat (not bowed) and often rectangular. Later, tailless kites incorporated a stabilizing bowline. Kites were decorated with mythological motifs and legendary figures; some were fitted with strings and whistles to make musical sounds while flying

Even if one could fashion a kite that could make a spectacle with sound and other features which could illuminate it's visibility over great distances, how would one make it's message legible and even practical?

Wonder what would happen if Haarp actually was shut down, what would it do to the influx of psychic material?
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: WIN 52 on April 03, 2013, 10:08:00 PM
After spending a couple of days reading and pondering the posts in this thread, there is one thing that kept popping up in my brain.

"As above so below"

Reflecting on the parable of the virgins and how this applies, the connection can be made here also.

I remember reading where Laura was chastised by someone because at that point her health was suffering badly, yet she was promoting knowledge from our future selves. They even got on her case for smoking. It reminded me of questioning why information from the future did not include information on how we can improve our lot physically.

Now, all the spiritual oil and lamp references in here parallel what religions teach about this. Yet, I saw many reasons to question how this applied because I didn't see the results in the daily lives of the people who were preaching and teaching about keeping the spiritual lamp full of oil. Shouldn't people work on their personal daily life first, before preaching about something that is not of a physical nature?

To me, this seems to be backwards.

When you build a house, do you start with all the trappings? First you need to have a strong foundation, then a well constructed frame and finally you can finish/decorate the house.

When you take care of the basics, the end results can be very nice. So it is with the oil in the lamp. What good is going out trying to keep a spiritual lamp lit when the physical lamp, the one you can have a direct impact on, is leaking oil(so to speak)? If a person has the right frame of mind and the physical body is working well, it would be very simple to fill the spiritual lamp at that point.

About the talents, it would seem that this is a guideline about progression in the work. As there are many people on the path at many places on the path.

So this led me to the next question and possibly it has been answered/asked already.

Could our world, Earth, become inhabitable from a series of Nuclear Plant melt downs, bombs and falling rocks, forcing some sort of evacuation, in order to save our race of humans? Could the human race move to 4D as a group? It has been done before.

Right after my stroke 2005, I had a very strong vision about something resembling a world wide convention where people were gathered and taken off world. Some people would not leave. I am just not sure if these are old memories surfacing or a glimpse of what is to come. One thing is for sure, there seems to be a purging going on right now which seems to be escalating.

Which brings us back to the basics, you will not be a part of this physical event if your health can't keep you from 5D. There seems to be no way to shine your light from that dimension, at least none that I have heard about. There may be a way I don't know about.

Can you keep your physical lamp lit? With all the garbage people consume as food, wreaking havoc on their health, it seems the KD diet is the way to do that very thing.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Parallel on April 03, 2013, 10:25:27 PM
Could our world, Earth, become inhabitable from a series of Nuclear Plant melt downs, bombs and falling rocks, forcing some sort of evacuation, in order to save our race of humans? Could the human race move to 4D as a group? It has been done before.

I don't see why anyone would be forced to evacuate us, or move a malfunctioning race to a density it is not ready for. If you are reffering to tribes and peoples who have been transited to other dimensions I would gather that a precursor would be common practice and mindset; which does not apply to humankind as a whole.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: tom32071 on April 04, 2013, 04:40:47 PM
Thank you team. Very good session.   :)
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: WIN 52 on April 04, 2013, 06:12:39 PM

I don't see why anyone would be forced to evacuate us, or move a malfunctioning race to a density it is not ready for. If you are reffering to tribes and peoples who have been transited to other dimensions I would gather that a precursor would be common practice and mindset; which does not apply to humankind as a whole.

That is kind of the point behind the need to raise your frequency via diet.

I have a big question about the way health guidelines tell people to live and regulations allowing manipulation of the food supply to a negative result where health is concerned.

The way it seems to be going leaves little hope for survival. During my health struggles of the past decade, I was at a point where I was ready to give up and head for 5D. The only thing that seemed to bring me back to having a desire to continue in this physical plane was finding this group and the light it was giving.(and now grandchildren)

The lamps shining by the people here doing what they can, brought me back to become engaged in the struggle once again. It seems arming myself with objective information and understanding more about the control mechanisms in place to keep us in check gives me a way to stand against those very things. It is almost impossible for a person to find their way in this bleak darkness without a bit of light here and there along the path.

I guess forcing was not the right choice of words for that question, possibly initiating is better. What I saw was more like a family reunion. The ones/tribes who chose to stay in this physical world had assistance so they would be able to continue. As I understood, the environment on earth would be quite hostile for a time. There is an STO STS balance in 4D also. Religious groups get caught up with killing each other in the name of God, all the time. Which groups are right?

We have heard from past information that those who make the transition or graduate will be given new bodies. People will no longer need to reproduce. That is a 3D thing and a way to introduce new souls, kind of like a nursery, as I understand.

I also saw that there were many who chose to hide underground during these times, mostly the people who were motivated by having control over what survived. The problem with this is that by hiding underground, you may not be a part of this graduation. The earth's crust will also be shifting in many various places at this time. Being underground may not be the best place to hide. In fact, hiding will gain nothing. A person needs to stand and face these things head on, keeping their wicks trimmed. To me, this seems less scary than dealing with life on this planet, today. At least there is hope in a seemingly hopeless situation.

Ancient literature gives a heads up that 5D will also take part in the graduation process. I am guessing at least the souls there who are ready to graduate. I guess that hope extends for the sake of lost loved ones.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: WIN 52 on April 04, 2013, 11:57:46 PM

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I have many of these symptoms which I am ready and willing to change, only this time with knowledge about what and why I am using supplements and changing over to paleo. It took a long time for me to be ready to change the diet in the right way rather than wrong. Reading all the books-LWB and PBPM and the detox book I'll be getting. Reading Hulda Clarks work and understanding rather than ordering haphazardly, not really knowing what I'm doing. Eating effectively is the last and only hurrah that is going to get me well. I can't retain info in a brain fog! So bear with me. I'm not there yet. I had been feeling that it couldn't go on any longer and that I was getting ill-er than even my own denial told me. Aware of the manipulation. Even though I feel pretty O.K. Pretty O.K. is so vague and sad to me, and I came to the point of feeling overwhelmingly sad from limiting myself in this way. It is a bad joke, I don't really feel O.K. I am just willful and resistant, but it takes what it takes, sadly. Its over, I am here now and will continue no matter what. Much on this forum, in fact ALL has brought me to this point. I may not post, yet I listen and read on always. I began 5 days ago making the bone broth that I found on one of the posts in this thread.My life has changed DRAMATICALLY!!!Not only did I start feeling a sense of goodness from this food, all sugar cravings and wheat cravings have ceased. Yes you are reading this correctly. Gone.The thought of bread or the awful sugar-laced thing I was ingesting like the drug addiction it is was sickening. This is a spiritual awaking that came as a total surprise. So quick was a radical change. I feel as if I turned a corner and am going to live.Live well.I've been eating bacon, kale,bone broth,lots of distilled water, oxtails,strawberries,blues,coconot milk and almond milk, some walnuts and almonds,pink salt in water broccoli and vita c,magnesium,milk thistle,vita E,D, and complex,fish oil. My hands don't hurt from arthritis. My hair stopped falling out.The elasticity in my joints feels more flexible,and I am smelling everthing alto stronger, especially the toxins coming out of my palms.I am hoping the eyesight gets better. Yes, in 5 days these are the results. The best is -NO CRAVINGS. Yet, anyway. I am stunned, inspired. and happy I am giving myself this opportunity to free the toxicity that affects my whole life, beginning with my thinking.It took a long time for this all to click. The books, the reading the observation of self. I am amazed I came this far.I was able to talk and give such great advice, even though I didn't take it MYSELF.   Some of my students did, and THEY inspired me. sometimes they don;'t believe me because of how I look and move. I let them know that it is deceiving. You can be flexible look young talk great and inside be amess that no one sees.That will not last and is not co-linear with mind and body.No one would guess what is going on inside pyhsiacally. And that facade could kill me if I wasn't concerned with truth. I've never lied to them about where i was at.They thank me by being the example I can follow.They deserve a teacher who walks it. I always tell them were all students, and never play teacher in a way that places myself on higher ground. Some have suffered with these symptoms and others and I've passed on the info I got here. And tell them where they can go to learn, rather then believing what I say.It felt great to go into class last night and talk about these health issues and have others share. That didn't happen before. Now people are being more open and willing and I promise you it is because of you people and your sharing. This is where I go to become wholly. Sott anchors me to the outside world that I can't see.Being in this hurricane was the event that woke me up to," YES, IT is REALLY happening." Change. In bigger ways , and in your backyard,too! I am consciously transitioning and I feel it in real ways. i have been choosing well. I am becoming a lot less palatable to those that want a tasty meal. Its only 5 days, but I'm exited rather than scared. Its ironic that I had to eat a few hoofs to be able to kick the wishers of my demise out of my brain and body. Yes, hooves boiled down to a clear and sublime gelatin. Thanks , I will keep posting. Oh yes, by the way. Your knowledge and giving of it selflessly has saved my life. One life able to be lived honestly. That is truth. Thank you Laura, Anart, Psyche, Shellycheval, and the rest of you superomnihuman folks for getting up in the morning and living as you do.

This is exactly what I am talking about, when a bit of light is all that is needed.

I can testify about what a bit of light has done for me also.

People tell me they are getting sick of hearing about diet, etc from me. But, I can also see changes in their lives based on the light I am shining for them. They had figured on planting me by now, yet I stand. The changes in my physique, health and well being are a hard witness to deny.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: OpenHeartMonk on April 05, 2013, 02:00:16 AM
Maybe ya'll can formulate some simple progressions of questions about what it really means to be "prepared"? ... so let's get some good questions together about what "being prepared" really means.  I have the feeling that it isn't what people usually think.

"what does it mean to be prepared?"
"how do we prepare?"
"how do we know if we're prepared enough?"
"what does the oil in the virgin lamps symbolize?"
"what does virginity symbolize in this bible story?"
"can this oil really be purchased?"
"how is this oil stored?"
"what does a lit lamp symbolize?"
"does the oil have something to do with chi/qi/prana?"
"does meditation produce preparation?"
"what are we preparing for?"
"is it true that we can only prepare ourself?"
"what are the signs of being prepared?"

..thx!
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Ariadna on April 05, 2013, 07:01:11 PM
In my opinion a very similar conclusion! Prepare for the death of oneself or others nearby, or the world as we know so far

Well that is not my understanding of preparedness aka. "Those who wish to participate in the future should "be prepared" like the wise virgins."

While the "death of oneself or others" maybe plays a possible (in the sense of possibility) part of "be prepared" like the wise virgins, I think the main thing this phrase is refering to is, as we seem to have uncovered here, that we need to do the work  and apply it or:

Cassiopaeans, 09-28-02:
Quote
'Life is religion. Life experiences reflect how one interacts with God. Those who are asleep are those of little faith in terms of their interaction with the creation. Some people think that the world exists for them to overcome or ignore or shut out. For those individuals, the world will cease. They will become exactly what they give to life. They will become merely a dream in the 'past.' People who pay strict attention to objective reality right and left, become the reality of the 'Future.'

The way I'm summing it up at the moment is that 'dying to the world' is an essential part of oil preparation for the lamp. We need first knowledge and discernment between A and B influences, "paying strict attention to reality left and right". To know which information motivates our driver, horse and carriage in their seperate whims, and how this relates to possesion of A influences (programs, envy, anticipation etc). Applying the knowledge, heeding the voice of B influences is filling the lamp. In turn taking one closer to the second birth, forming a magnetic centre and thus dying to the worlds influence.

I like this perspective. Thanks
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: moonfly on April 07, 2013, 12:25:58 AM
Hello all!
I am new here, and will intro myself a little bit later, hope that's okay.
I have stopped by this forum on and off by referral over the years, and always found it fascinating and welcoming.
The events of the last few years have transformed me, looking back, I know now, what happened were lessons for something to come.  I would like to share some with you but, this is not the thread for the nuts and bolts, but I feel it might qualify to chime in on the matter of 'talents', later. I think if we have learned hard lessons with the right frame of mind and balance, we are here to help others through similar challenges, AND apply the core teaching to address other difficult times.  We're here to test ourselves and help where universe places the challenge.  Use discernment so as not to be sucked in by the psychopaths, who I am not thinking are actually worried about the forthcoming fireball shower.  (I don't know what sort of gift to bring to that sort of 'shower').. ~humour~ :)


Okay, finally to get to the point I would like to make.. 
I've spent hours here just barely scratching the surface of many posts and threads, a few chapters of Wave, some posts on the comets of course, ponerology, OP's, soulless humans, some RV stuff, psychopaths, (several of the books I have read I see are on your recommended reading list, and that was validating!) ~~~ and~~~ many of the C's transcripts, which brings me at last, to the point:

In one of the C's transcripts, they suggest we research 'kites'. 

My mind flooded with childhood memories.  Every year, I always got the same kite.  It was the old wood and thin paper type.  Mom would make the tail and dad would give me a roll of fishing line and we stuck a ruler through the hole as a handle.  (giving away my age, huh?)  The picture on the kite was a full moon.  Sooooo...  in my jaunts in cyber world to research the history of kites, I saw this, and offer it to the forum..   It might not be new to you guys, but, it was to me. 

Thank you all for reading if you got this far:

This:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kytoon

Quoting:
Kytoon
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   It has been suggested that helikite be merged into this article or section. (Discuss) Proposed since October 2011.

A kytoon (a portmanteau of kite + balloon) is a kite with a significant amount of aerostatic lift from a lighter than air gas carried within.

The primary advantage of a kytoon is that it remains up and at a reasonably stable position above the tether point, irrespective of the wind.[1]

The kytoon has been used in peace and war. The kytoon is being employed for raising rescue signals, antenna,[2][3] and turbines for generating electricity. Kytoons need not be of lower density than the fluid stream in which it is operated. It is sufficient that the kytoon be part balloon and part kite. So the kytoon is a special kind of kite.[4]
Contents

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nflation gases

Kytoons may be flown in Earth or other planetary atmospheres. Any gas may be used to inflate the bladder parts of a kytoon. Hydrogen, methane, air, helium, etc. may be used to inflate the balloon aspect of a kytoon.
History of kytoons

The kytoon was starkly forwarded by the invention and designs of Domina Jalbert.[citation needed]
Applications of the kytoon

    Raise emergency signals in calm or wind
    Keep communications antenna aloft during calm and wind
    Raise wind turbines for generating electricity
    Scare birds away from crops
    Toy and sport kiting
    Meteorological measurements [5]
...

So much more there, even if it is wiki :?




Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: SeekingtheTruth on April 07, 2013, 06:17:36 AM
When I read:
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A: Pronoia.

Q: (L) And where do you transmit from?

A: Cassiopaea.

In addition to the following:

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A: We would have liked to arrange things so that it could have hit [birds start chirping a lot in the background] on the very day of the book release, however things just don't work that way in the STO reality. Thus, the same applies to predictions of future impacts.

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Q: (L) Which reminds me... I was reading in this book about Greek religion by Walter Burkert that the term "paean" was used to describe to the type of songs that were sung in the worship of the god Apollo in the most ancient times. And Apollo was supposedly the Hyperborean god, and if my suppositions are correct, was also the god that was worshipped at
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Stonehenge
. Any connection there?

Q: (L) Okay. What else? (Ailen) I can't hear a thing with the birds! (L) Hush up back there! (Mr. Scott) They were fine for awhile, and they all woke up. They're repeating letters and answers to each other. (L) Okay, what's our next topic? (PoB) One more question. Was there any connection between the Russian meteorite and the asteroid DA14?

A: Not only electric charge. In the realm from which some of these things are manifested or, better, "directed", information is king.

Q: (Belibaste) So if a group of individuals acquires, stores, information that is orthogonal to truth, i.e. lies, will this fact of acquiring information that is orthogonal to truth increase the attraction to meteorites or cometary bodies?

A: Yes

Q: (Belibaste) How does it work?

A: Other realm just mentioned... Gravity waves.


Q: (L) Are you saying that gravity waves are a property of a different realm?

A: Mostly.

I found it interesting that the C's transmitted/transferred information about arranging things at the exact moment that
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birds
began chirping. In addition, the words [birds start chirping in the background] took the place of a physical location. Or if looked at in another way it encompassed the physical location. It made me think of the language of the birds. The language of the unconscious/shadow self being ordered by the joining of the male/female aspect of our conscious self. 

In addition, when Laura mentioned "paean" as being a song sung to Apollo and that Apollo was supposedly the Hyperborean god I thought of how the bracketed words [birds start chirping in the background] could be interpreted as being transmitted/transferred via the 6th density realm, via the C's. The collective unconscious of humanity. So what is the song being sung? To me, it is a song and dance of Love and also for the yearning to Love. It is a song with the ability to unite the conscious/unconscious, the male/female aspects of the macrocosm and  the microcosm as well as the microcosm to the macrocosm. Each part being whole and each whole being part. Perhaps there is a connection of unstable gravity waves (the unconscious Queen?) to the realm of the "king"?

[Note: I was listening to Pandora while writing this and I thought I would share the songs that came on with you.)

Talk - Coldplay (While writing about the language of the birds)
Jammin - Bob Marley  (While writing about Paean being sung)
I'm yours - Jason Mraz (While writing about the dance)
Ants Marching - Dave Matthews
New Soul - Yael Naim
Home - Michael Buble
For What it's Worth - Buffalo Springfield
All I need - Matt Kearney
Imagine - John Lennon
What a Wonderful World - Louis Armstrong (I was writing about Each whole being part and each part being whole)
Love - Matt White
She Talks to Angels

Crash Into Me - Dave Mathews Band
I will follow you into the Dark - Death Cab for Cutie (Was writing about informing the unconscious)

You are probably thinking that sure is a lot of songs for such a short post! All I can say is groovy!

               


Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: l apprenti de forgeron on April 07, 2013, 07:00:35 AM

Sorry for writing a few days later. I'm at the epicenter of the catastrophic rain occurred in Argentina. I am still without internet. And the picture here is still quite distressing.

Thanks Alana, very interesting what you've shared.
That you have named to Becker reminded me the buddhist David Loy. This article punctually:
_http://www.zen-occidental.net/articles1/loy4.html

Buddhism, and also I have to appoint Nietzsche, showed me, in my teens, that my programs were not good for stop the terror of death (as both finished destroying my "certainties implanted" catholics). I think my existential terror is due to the early death of my Sister. She died at 6 months (I had almost two years approx). This perhaps was very tragic, as perhaps happened when my mental window was still open. But even if it was not for that, it sure cause my mother became hysterical with the care of my brother and me. Well, all I have very psychoanalyzed, but is useless. Only more entangled in vicious circles of difficult escape, I think.
And today it hurts me more than anything when I feel all the time that I lost and the little awareness I have, my ridiculous power of action. And then, when I tell my father for example, about what's next in cataclysms, or speak of psychopathy, it always ends up saying he no longer wants to live. And I have not much more to say. I might think that the world is very creative, thank you The Cassiopaean Experiment, almost sometimes I feel it, but I also have not gained access to universal creativity, and that for my own ignorance and comfort.

Obyvatel:
Maybe we need more exercises like this (although that series of exercises of Epictetus are so difficult, because they feel inhuman for me). Or directly exercise "The Last Hour of Life" of Gurdjieff. Or some methodical of Socrates. Anything, for the whatever time we have left on this plane, we can be more safe in our interior when the horror seeing so many people die in mass (I think it may be less unbearable to see even our personal death instead how everything known dies, everyone). and so avoid being broken heart, literally.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Rose on April 08, 2013, 02:40:34 AM
Hi WIN52

I'm a bit puzzled by your post.


Could our world, Earth, become inhabitable from a series of Nuclear Plant melt downs, bombs and falling rocks, forcing some sort of evacuation, in order to save our race of humans? Could the human race move to 4D as a group? It has been done before.

Right after my stroke 2005, I had a very strong vision about something resembling a world wide convention where people were gathered and taken off world. Some people would not leave. I am just not sure if these are old memories surfacing or a glimpse of what is to come. One thing is for sure, there seems to be a purging going on right now which seems to be escalating.


When you say the human race has moved to 4D as a group before, what are you talking about? And why would that happen anyway if most of them aren't ready or prepared? Are you saying that you know this because of your vision?

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That is kind of the point behind the need to raise your frequency via diet.

From what I understand, raising your frequency isn't just a question of diet, but has more to do with working on yourself by gathering knowledge and applying it, which includes but isn't limited to diet.


And to answer your question here:
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Religious groups get caught up with killing each other in the name of God, all the time. Which groups are right?

None of them are. Killing someone in the name of God is never right.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: WIN 52 on April 08, 2013, 03:36:28 AM
Hi WIN52

I'm a bit puzzled by your post.


Could our world, Earth, become inhabitable from a series of Nuclear Plant melt downs, bombs and falling rocks, forcing some sort of evacuation, in order to save our race of humans? Could the human race move to 4D as a group? It has been done before.

Right after my stroke 2005, I had a very strong vision about something resembling a world wide convention where people were gathered and taken off world. Some people would not leave. I am just not sure if these are old memories surfacing or a glimpse of what is to come. One thing is for sure, there seems to be a purging going on right now which seems to be escalating.


When you say the human race has moved to 4D as a group before, what are you talking about? And why would that happen anyway if most of them aren't ready or prepared? Are you saying that you know this because of your vision?
I had an experience which I found kind of confusing, till I started reading The Wave, The Secret History of The World and the C's sessions.
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That is kind of the point behind the need to raise your frequency via diet.

From what I understand, raising your frequency isn't just a question of diet, but has more to do with working on yourself by gathering knowledge and applying it, which includes but isn't limited to diet.
There has been a strong connection with some sort of information stream, most of my life. It has gained strength since introducing the KD diet. Plus, recovery of paralysis, post stroke, has picked up the pace. Eyesight and hearing has also improved.
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And to answer your question here:
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Religious groups get caught up with killing each other in the name of God, all the time. Which groups are right?

None of them are. Killing someone in the name of God is never right.

What is Israel doing? Church of England? US wars in the name of God? Lets bomb them for Alla?

Sounds like you should do more reading?
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Pete on April 08, 2013, 09:15:04 AM
Hi WIN52

I'm a bit puzzled by your post.


Could our world, Earth, become inhabitable from a series of Nuclear Plant melt downs, bombs and falling rocks, forcing some sort of evacuation, in order to save our race of humans? Could the human race move to 4D as a group? It has been done before.

Right after my stroke 2005, I had a very strong vision about something resembling a world wide convention where people were gathered and taken off world. Some people would not leave. I am just not sure if these are old memories surfacing or a glimpse of what is to come. One thing is for sure, there seems to be a purging going on right now which seems to be escalating.


When you say the human race has moved to 4D as a group before, what are you talking about? And why would that happen anyway if most of them aren't ready or prepared? Are you saying that you know this because of your vision?
I had an experience which I found kind of confusing, till I started reading The Wave, The Secret History of The World and the C's sessions.

I must admit I was confused as well when I read your remark about the human race moving to 4D WIN52. I'm even more confused with your reply to Rose. Could you elaborate please because you state it like it is a fact and I'm wondering from where did this information come?


That is kind of the point behind the need to raise your frequency via diet.

From what I understand, raising your frequency isn't just a question of diet, but has more to do with working on yourself by gathering knowledge and applying it, which includes but isn't limited to diet.
There has been a strong connection with some sort of information stream, most of my life. It has gained strength since introducing the KD diet. Plus, recovery of paralysis, post stroke, has picked up the pace. Eyesight and hearing has also improved.

That's great to hear WIN52.  :)


And to answer your question here:
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Religious groups get caught up with killing each other in the name of God, all the time. Which groups are right?

None of them are. Killing someone in the name of God is never right.

What is Israel doing? Church of England? US wars in the name of God? Lets bomb them for Alla?

Sounds like you should do more reading?

From what I can see Rose was just stating that killing in the name of God is wrong. She was not defending Israel, England or the US for that matter. Why would you feel the need to tell her she needs to read more?
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Rose on April 08, 2013, 06:33:07 PM

And to answer your question here:
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Religious groups get caught up with killing each other in the name of God, all the time. Which groups are right?

None of them are. Killing someone in the name of God is never right.

What is Israel doing? Church of England? US wars in the name of God? Lets bomb them for Alla?

Sounds like you should do more reading?

From what I can see Rose was just stating that killing in the name of God is wrong. She was not defending Israel, England or the US for that matter. Why would you feel the need to tell her she needs to read more?

That's exactly what I meant. I wasn't defending anybody who's killing in the name of God, on the contrary. Maybe I wasn't clear enough.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Parallel on April 08, 2013, 06:56:31 PM
Maybe I wasn't clear enough.
You were perfectly clear, IMO.

:::

Regarding the backorder at Blackwell's of Nicoll's book 'The New Man', they just cancelled the order as they aren't able to get hold of it.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: dant on April 08, 2013, 07:05:05 PM
Did you try Amazon? (Search: Nicoll The New Man Amazon)
_http://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=new+man+nicoll&tag=googhydr-20&index=aps&hvadid=19725597621&hvpos=1t1&hvexid=&hvnetw=s&hvrand=1531956186315179784&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=b&ref=pd_sl_9ju5ys11kc_b
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: WIN 52 on April 09, 2013, 06:02:58 PM
Possibly I read it the wrong way.

I can't understand why people fight and kill each other all the time. They always seem to be justified for doing so, in their thinking.

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Lawrence Davidson, Professor of Middle East History at West Chester University says that it is hard for Americans to understand why this war went on for 11 years and what they are still doing there now.

"From the American standpoint this war was never winnable - if winnable means the defeat of the Taliban or anti-foreign forces that passed by the name of the Taliban," he told RT.

"We are not going to defeat the Taliban, which is a multifaceted sort of operation. We are in a country that isn't really unified. The central government really doesn't have a lot of power throughout the country. And when we are done, my opinion is that it will rapidly disappear."

Peace activist David Swanson blames US media coverage for keeping Americans unaware of the real face of the war in Afghanistan, which he describes as "one-sided slaughter of helpless people."

"Even the news articles about this strike which killed a greater number of people are dominated by paragraphs talking about another strike that killed Americans," he told RT.

"The US deaths of course are always smaller numbers but they dominate the coverage. Americans are not aware of the extent to which this war is essentially a one-sided slaughter of helpless people who meant us no ill, and has been for over a decade."

from herehttp://www.sott.net/article/260646-Mass-slaughter-Twelve-civilians-including-11-children-killed-in-Afghan-NATO-strik (http://www.sott.net/article/260646-Mass-slaughter-Twelve-civilians-including-11-children-killed-in-Afghan-NATO-strik)

Ten years of bloodshed justified by what?

All those people in churches on Sunday mornings give power to their political beasts. Does ignorance make it right?

When people were lifted from Kanteck, taken to 4D and then brought to Earth was not the big wave we are told is headed here. The last one was 300,000 years ago, in which there was some sort of graduation
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Divide By Zero on April 09, 2013, 10:04:19 PM
Possibly I read it the wrong way.

I can't understand why people fight and kill each other all the time. They always seem to be justified for doing so, in their thinking.

<SNIP>

Ten years of bloodshed justified by what?

All those people in churches on Sunday mornings give power to their political beasts. Does ignorance make it right?

When people were lifted from Kanteck, taken to 4D and then brought to Earth was not the big wave we are told is headed here. The last one was 300,000 years ago, in which there was some sort of graduation

No, you are doing what I loathe in forums.  Someone posts some comment, and instead of actually reading it (she was agreeing about how the bloodshed is a waste), you assume that she meant otherwise.  Or, someone asks for help, mentioning the diagnostic steps they took, and someone posts the typical solution- of course not having read the post to see that the poster did try that already.  Oh and they too like to say "why haven't you read the FAQ" meanwhile seeing that THEY haven't read the comment!

Why the weird shift in subject to Kantek?  I can't make sense of YOUR train of thought.  Rose makes perfect sense to me.

Edit:  Maybe english is not your first language.  But still, the shift to Kantek is confusing... what lead to this thought and how does this help us with the session?
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Carl on April 09, 2013, 10:14:49 PM
Possibly I read it the wrong way.

I can't understand why people fight and kill each other all the time. They always seem to be justified for doing so, in their thinking.

<SNIP>

Ten years of bloodshed justified by what?

All those people in churches on Sunday mornings give power to their political beasts. Does ignorance make it right?

When people were lifted from Kanteck, taken to 4D and then brought to Earth was not the big wave we are told is headed here. The last one was 300,000 years ago, in which there was some sort of graduation

No, you are doing what I loathe in forums.  Someone posts some comment, and instead of actually reading it (she was agreeing about how the bloodshed is a waste), you assume that she meant otherwise.  Or, someone asks for help, mentioning the diagnostic steps they took, and someone posts the typical solution- of course not having read the post to see that the poster did try that already.  Oh and they too like to say "why haven't you read the FAQ" meanwhile seeing that THEY haven't read the comment!

Why the weird shift in subject to Kantek?  I can't make sense of YOUR train of thought.  Rose makes perfect sense to me.

Edit:  Maybe english is not your first language.  But still, the shift to Kantek is confusing... what lead to this thought and how does this help us with the session?

I agree WIN 52. You speak of your visions and all this speculation about 4d, and if I recall correctly from previous threads, you also listen to what you interpret as spiritual guides in your head (apologies if that was somebody else). Your posts are not easy to follow and maybe it is actually you that needs to come back down to Earth and read a little more.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: whitecoast on April 09, 2013, 10:59:03 PM
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I can't understand why people fight and kill each other all the time. They always seem to be justified for doing so, in their thinking.

Have you had a chance to read political ponerology, or some of the psychology and narcissism books on the reading list? The wave also deals extensively with the problem of evil.

As for the visions, I think it's important to take them with a grain of salt and be open to the possibility  that they may just be images. Since it's quite self-referential, I'm not sure how useful the visions you share are to others here. For what it's worth. 
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Pete on April 10, 2013, 01:15:44 AM
When people were lifted from Kanteck, taken to 4D and then brought to Earth was not the big wave we are told is headed here. The last one was 300,000 years ago, in which there was some sort of graduation

Why the weird shift in subject to Kantek?  I can't make sense of YOUR train of thought.  Rose makes perfect sense to me.

Edit:  Maybe english is not your first language.  But still, the shift to Kantek is confusing... what lead to this thought and how does this help us with the session?

He was just trying to clarify for me if I'm not mistaken. I asked him earlier if he could explain his statement:
Quote from: WIN 52
"Could the human race move to 4D as a group? It has been done before."
When he said it had been done before it sounded like it was a fact and I was just wondering from what information he was going on. 
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Bear on April 10, 2013, 02:00:27 AM
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Q: (L) Well, we notice that the weather has really gone freaking crazy all over the planet. There are gigantic sink holes opening up in place after place. There are more and more creatures being washed up from the oceans on beaches by the thousands - or even millions, dead. (Andromeda) Storms, tornadoes. (L) Places were tornadoes don't usually happen. Migrations. What kind of migrations? (Kniall) Dolphins. (L) Oh, that incredible mass migration of dolphins. And wasn't there one of sharks, too? (Andromeda) That was last year, but yeah. (L) Creatures being found in strange places...

A: All stimulated by the approaching wave.

Q: (L) Stimulated by the approaching wave? They sense something, is that what you're saying?

A: No, the wave and its electrical and magnetic components affect the entire solar system thus, the Earth and certain geological events; this then can lead to mass deaths.
I've been thinking about the above for a week on and off and keep reading about all the reports of creatures dying in the oceans and I really keep coming back to the thought of when is this topic going to make the jump from repeated fish, etc die offs to one day mass amount of people dying on a regular basis.  I guess we already have it with people being killed by weather, earthquakes and the such over the last few years, but I keep thinking that it is going to make the next step up in people dying and reach the mass consciousness of people that things have gone crazy.  Maybe it will plague.  These oceans die offs, etc don't bode well for humanity.

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Q: (L) Okay. (Andromeda) Past comet streams? (L) So in other words, if we factor in what we know from the science of, say, Victor Clube and Bill Napier, plus observations we make, plus historical records, etc. and signs, we can figure out that something is probably fairly imminent. That would be my best guess. My thought is that if we don't get a plague from this one that exploded over Russia, we will from the next one. That's my best guess.

A: Good guess!
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: moonfly on April 10, 2013, 03:40:30 AM
 Quoting:
Quote from: Bear
I've been thinking about the above for a week on and off and keep reading about all the reports of creatures dying in the oceans and I really keep coming back to the thought of when is this topic going to make the jump from repeated fish, etc die offs to one day mass amount of people dying on a regular basis.  I guess we already have it with people being killed by weather, earthquakes and the such over the last few years, but I keep thinking that it is going to make the next step up in people dying and reach the mass consciousness of people that things have gone crazy.  Maybe it will plague.  These oceans die offs, etc don't bode well for humanity.



Could you clarify what you said here?  I'm not connecting the dots.  Nothing bad and worse benefit humanity, and the fear of the bad and worse produces emotions that psychopaths draw their sustenance.  They feed on fear...  They feed on humans. 

That said, help me please understand your comment in context with this thread..  I am learning...  thank you so much for your time.

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Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Bear on April 10, 2013, 04:43:14 AM
Mainly since all these sea creatures, etc are dying (as related to what the C's said in the quote) I'm wondering if and when humans are next.  Not sure how else to say it.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: monotonic on April 10, 2013, 05:40:14 AM
Regarding kites:

Something I believe Gurdjieff said has been on my mind; that in the past it was known that things which once belonged to a person are attached to them through the astral plane, and that that this had some special uses.

It has also been mentioned in this thread that a few molecules could have made the difference between a Chelyabinsk overhead explosion and total destruction of the city. And how this relates to chaos theory, where these things are nearly impossible to predict because a chaotic function will return completely different results due to rounding errors. And lastly, that the determining factor is related to the concentration of lies and negativity.

It occurs to me then that maybe if a person has astral connections with their bloodline, this may be used along with the chaotic nature of the atmosphere to influence, in the same way as comets, where the kite lands.

It does make sense that chaotic functions in nature are the easiest way for non-3D entities or processes to affect 3D, that putting something in a chaotic environment with specific knowledge would be a way of achieving "very unlikely" things, to put it one way.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: moonfly on April 10, 2013, 10:13:23 PM
Mainly since all these sea creatures, etc are dying (as related to what the C's said in the quote) I'm wondering if and when humans are next.  Not sure how else to say it.

Got it.  Thanks for responding!  I guess my point was that psychopaths feed on our fear, so keeping us in stages of fear is a fun for them.

In just the last few days I have stumbled into the CHANI project, and it is very interesting.  With respect to your question (mine too), when are humans next?, the 'entity' that spoke to CERN researchers said 'it' was not alien it was like us but in another realm, watching our two realms come to the point of fusing.  *It* gives dates and events to watch for, but the date give for we here in this realm to make a choice is 15 May.  It does not give a year, but looking at the events, it appears this is the year where the fusing begins.  From what I've been reading here from the C's sessions, and the events in the new, as well as the events/questions the entity mentions, such as sonic booms (which is apparently a signal that the realms are beginning to collide already.  This is due to the explosion in the heavens several months ago, and we are just not beginning to receive the sound waves from it, soon to be followed with the big show.  That I surmise is the fireballs the C's have just mentioned on 3/23 session.  So, it seems to suggest, time is short.  Entity said that diet was important as well..  there are about 20000 pages of q & a's, this done between '94 - '99.  Contact was lost with the parallel realm in software upgrade preparation for y2k.

Here are a couple of links to read for yourself if you like.  It's fascinating and between what the C's have said that they are US in the future, and entity saying it lives here on this planet with us, but different realm and timeline (or line time he says)..
First I would strongly suggest reading the Nexus Article first, as that gives background to the CHANI entity.  I am not really sure what to think about finding both this forum and now CHANI right at this time, but I take it as a sign for one, and an opportunity and nudge to work on mind/body/spirit balance.  The CHANI thing may be an elaborate hoax..  I honestly don't have a feel for it one way or the other, and I don't like to fall into rabbit holes.  :)   Anyway, I thought it would be worthy to share this with the forum, and perhaps, we can ask the C's about CHANI. 

Link for the Chani project forum - __http://thechaniproject.com/forum/

Nexus article - _http://thechaniproject.com/nexus.html



Excerpt from the Nexus article:
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Below is the opening post on the "me tel u now" thread. After reviewing more than 100 predictions, I decided on this collection to start the thread:

"many things go wrong 15 may because door opens with portal to dark matters not undestanding earth beings
sharon will dimise be4 15 may
mandela will dimise be4 15 may
thatcher will stroke be4 15 may
japan warring thing will commenceing before 15 may secretly
oil gets very big sicknes no use anymore after 15 may
old bush will very sick be4 15 may
cheney will dimise be4 15 june
obama accident before 27 aperil
big sicknes be4 15 may
very moving earth on 17 aperils
oceon not sleeping when heaven things beware many waters to come drown
brown cheat be4 15 may
putin missing after 15 may many worry people do crazy things"

This is one of the first statements made by the Entity, and it was repeated at various times:
"u ask me many question me first answer u by xplain
to unerstan u and u in the univers u must unerstan these things
first u must unerstan the ilusion of infinti
then u must unerstan the infinty of ilusion
this mean noting but xplain everythings
so first u lern the u
then u lern the univers
then this xplain al and mean something"

More references to oil sickness and to the Japan earthquake and radiation:
"me post probabilitys ok
me cee crash plane on deck of us war ship 55 dimise
me cee us bomer crash sea
me cee many dolfin and whale go suicide
me cee 250 plus more demise acident and crash of plane europe people
me cee very moving earth again people of same shape eye japan
me cee sicknes go people of india and people of korea
me cee very oil sicknes people of america grow biger not aford buy oil anymores
me cee america people very angry go damage monument there capitol ok
me cee very big and final earth war this line time but u can stop stil
please forget oil yor oil become enemy after september yor line time
oil get radiation as me tel u be4 why u not belive me
me cry 4 u"

I have been doing a lot of reading here, and at the CHANI forum as well, so to me it really does seem that a lot of things are lining up.  Also, to mods, I do not know if it okay to mention CHANI here, or to have posted the excerpt.  Please delete my post if so, with my apologies.   :-[
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Niall on April 10, 2013, 10:49:51 PM
Oh dear, if that's the best channeling a Pentagon computer can come up with, they're screwed!

Quote from: moonfly
The CHANI thing may be an elaborate hoax..

I think you're probably right.

Have you heard of the terms 'cosmic COINTELPRO', or 'New Age COINTELPRO'?

Check out our reports on them here (http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,14207.msg109488.html#msg109488).
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: moonfly on April 10, 2013, 11:00:21 PM
Thanks Kniall, I will most definitely check that out.  I REALLY don't like rabbit holes
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Thor on April 10, 2013, 11:15:59 PM
Thank you Laura and Chateau crew for the session.

Session Date: March 23rd 2013


Q: (L) Okay. (Andromeda) Past comet streams? (L) So in other words, if we factor in what we know from the science of, say, Victor Clube and Bill Napier, plus observations we make, plus historical records, etc. and signs, we can figure out that something is probably fairly imminent. That would be my best guess. My thought is that if we don't get a plague from this one that exploded over Russia, we will from the next one. That's my best guess.

A: Good guess!



In terms of specific questions for the Cs on preparedness, I think it would be very valuable if they could elaborate some more on the type of plague that is likely to spread and how it will effect humans. The following are suggestions for questions, but they can probably be asked more precisely.

FWIW,

1) In relation to plague or pandemic sickness due to virus/pathogens from cometary material, can you say anything on the nature of the virus/pathogen and how it interacts with the human body

2)  Is there anything that we should be aware of that we can do now to minimize the risk of becoming infected. This should be seen in addition to diet, breathing, Work, etc.

3) If a pandemic breaks loose are there any recommendations on how to minimize the risk of being infected other than trying to avoid exposure? (If I'm not mistaken, I recall something about Socrates walking around in a city where everyone was infected without becoming sick and have read similar stories about Swami Vivekananda, so there might be a consciousness/spiritual component at work here, as well).

4) If we become infected ourselves, are there any remedies we can use, things we can stock up on in advance or things we can do minimize the severity of the sickness? Or even cure it?






Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: moonfly on April 10, 2013, 11:20:23 PM
Oh my, Kniall, all. 

Maybe the CHANI thing is going viral-ish?  The 5d thing has me thinking of the 5d city on the hill reference by the C's.

This posted at CHANI forum:

_http://www.in5d.com/mysterious-loud-booms-and-5d-earth.html

Mysterious Loud Booms and 5D Earth


Last updated on March 30, 2013 at 12:00 am EDT by in5d Alternative News

Quote


by Gregg Prescott, M.S.
_www.in5d.com
_www.HolisticCancerResearch.com

Loud booms are being heard all over the planet and they may be associated with 5D earth.

This information was gathered by Linda Moulton Howe's research of Duncan Roads investigation into the extraterrestrial downloading of 20,000 pages of information into the CIA computers in South Africa.

Howe stated, "There would a time coming in which there would be an overlap of dimensions... that was a natural process that happened occasionally in this cosmos (in which) the humans knew nothing about."

This galactic download occurred in the 1990's and reference a point in time that appears to be now.

Mysterious Loud Booms and 5D Earth | in5d.com | Esoteric, Spiritual and Metaphysical DatabaseHowe goes on to mention some of the Earth changes that would occur which may represent the initial change of dimensions.

"Part of what this 1990's 20,00 pages of transcripts allegedly describes were, there will be flashes of light, booms of light, strange humming sounds (and) all of the things that we have been getting in space in the last couple of years."

snipped to end


Mod's note: Edited to deactivate the links.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Bear on April 10, 2013, 11:22:46 PM
@moonfly  Regards CHANI, from reading the repost of the Nexus article it looks like it is as Kniall said.  Search and read up on who is behind godlikeproducts where the supposed channeling was first posted.

Edit added: also search for Nexus and Duncan Rhodes on this forum.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: moonfly on April 10, 2013, 11:34:23 PM
Thanks I will do a search on both. 

I've heard about GLP before, and not a follower of any of their stuff.  That this CHANI thing surfaced there, for lack of a better description, gave me great pause, which is why I wanted to encourage everyone to read the NEXUS article first.  That way, nothing would be lost in translation. 

As for Nexus and Duncan Rhodes, I have no frame of reference for either one of them, so thank you so much for suggesting a search.  Perhaps I should do such things before posting  :-[ .

Funny, the name Duncan Rhodes reminded me of an old Andy Griffith movie called "A Face in the Crowd".   A preacher becomes a politician and starts to think he is God.  And gets taken down by his own words.  Good movie.

Thank you again.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Laura on April 10, 2013, 11:44:36 PM
Well, some predictions were made, let's keep our eyes open.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: moonfly on April 11, 2013, 01:00:16 AM
Well, some predictions were made, let's keep our eyes open.

Hi Laura!

I just wanted to thank you and your crew for this amazing forum!

I am enjoying everything about it, and learning so much.

Regarding the CHANI project, the thing that intrigues me is that this info was published years ago, before Obama was even on the radar.  Also, with respect to dates, one of the references :

Quote
very moving earth on 17 aperils

is the same exact date of Thatchers funeral.  So that is an very interesting date specific call.    Someone at the CHANI forum has put the whole document out in a pdf, and also a google document.   Funny since the entity says we do not need google.  LOL.   Entity also says that if we don't see the events manifest, than do not not believe anything he says.  Again, all this from YEARS ago.  So, I am thinking what if this is some sort of experiment with time stretching and twisting.  So the future we are to believe is coming draws our energy though creating interest, does that cause the event to manifest...IOW, we create what we think?  If so, now what?   I am comfortable in the thought of hour of choice, if we have one. 

I like the thought of our soul knowing and making that choice.

I like what you said in one of your posts, and boy did it ever resonate with me.  Awareness is protection. 

I totally agree.  Allowing your intuition and personal discernment to be heeded as well.

Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Yozilla on April 11, 2013, 01:25:38 AM
...
Excerpt from the Nexus article:
Quote
Below is the opening post on the "me tel u now" thread. After reviewing more than 100 predictions, I decided on this collection to start the thread:

"many things go wrong 15 may because door opens with portal to dark matters not undestanding earth beings
sharon will dimise be4 15 may
mandela will dimise be4 15 may
thatcher will stroke be4 15 may
japan warring thing will commenceing before 15 may secretly
oil gets very big sicknes no use anymore after 15 may
old bush will very sick be4 15 may
cheney will dimise be4 15 june
obama accident before 27 aperil
big sicknes be4 15 may
very moving earth on 17 aperils
oceon not sleeping when heaven things beware many waters to come drown
brown cheat be4 15 may
putin missing after 15 may many worry people do crazy things"

...

First Hit for CHANI :huh: - and others to go before May the 15?
I shall check The List from time to time...

Y...
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: moonfly on April 11, 2013, 03:30:31 AM
More on CHANI,

It has it's own Biblioteca Pleyades page. 

_http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_channelers20.htm

and ...  sorry, project avalon

excerpt from end of one post.. this strikes a chord with me from reading some recent posts of Ark's journal, and from some reading YEARS ago on RMN... displaying the 'game' wheel.  I remember it had a human image laying down as if at rest, and dream state bubbles surrounding it, each one a 'stop' in the game.. or a progression.  It was a discussion at that point about transhumanism and it's part in progression or something..  was a shocking concept to me. 

here's a quote from the PA thread:

Quote

The Council ordered us to be released, but said we would have to cancel our contract to help the Souls on Earth to evolve. We didn't want to leave, we found them very likable Beings, really Positively Polarized, and we wanted to stay and help, we just wanted also to be free to come and go as we pleased.

The only way we could stay, was to stay confined as a Group Soul, which meant Cycles of incarnation for us (as individuated Souls), which we had not done for a
long while. As I've stated before, there is no 'wrong' or 'right' seen from a Higher Density, but there are still consequences for every action.

Such is the law of Karmic effect. The contract had already been made between Yahweh, us, and the Council for us to provide the Catalyst so we had a right to be there, the Karmic effect of Yahweh imprisoning us on the Macrocosmic level, was that his individuated Souls would be imprisoned on the microcosmic level.

The Infinite Creator gave Yahweh (and all) the gift of Free Will to Create as we choose, but the Karmic effect of his choice was the Council quarantining the planet. A certain evolutionary level is required to be a functioning part of a Positive Unified Galactic Society.

As for "fighting for the freedom of all souls", remember that ultimately, this is a Game, that we are all playing here. We are actors, playing on the "stage of Life". This 'world' is all illusion, or 'though-form'.

No one really "dies", and no one is really hurt. In between incarnations, you know this very well.

But the rules of the game ensure that you must forget who you really are, so that you believe it is all 'real' whilst you are playing the game of Life. That is an essential prerequisite when you are making choices. Otherwise, the game would be too easy. This world is not reality. Though we can express Reality in it, if we so chose.

ATS: OK, so your family and fellow elites might be as entrapped in the Earthly realm as we are, but why actively propagate and aid the forces of enslavement?

HH: Because that is the part we have been contracted to play, in this game. In order to "win" (or more accurately to be successful in) the Game, we must be as Negatively Polarized as possible. Service to Self in the extreme. Violence, War, Hatred, Greed, Control, Enslavement, Genocide, Torture, Moral Degradation, Prostitution, Drugs, all these things and more, they serve our purpose. In the Game.

The difference between us and you, in the Game, is that we know that we are "playing". The less you know about the Game, and the less you remember that you're a player, the more "senseless" living becomes. In all these Negative things, we are providing you with tools. But you do not see it. It is not what we do, but how you react to it, that is important. We give you the tools. You have the Free Will choice how you will use them. You have to take responsibility. There is only One of Us here.

Understand that, and you will understand the Game.

End Quote:

Project Avalon source: _http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?50646-Who-are-the-24-Elders-A-revelation

From reading the CHANI document so far, entity is serious about communicating the right and power of your own freewill, and why knowing YOURSELF is key. 
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Bear on April 11, 2013, 04:47:22 AM
The Chani website seems to archive back to 2006, but if you click the archive links (which I did up until April 2009 – then I had enough) all they do is link to questions on Yahoo Answers.  All the posted questions are from different people, so it looks like they just searched and put up links to these posted yahoo answer questions.

This is the earliest thing I could find when searching for chani via google which is just a posting to the Nexus copy article is Jun 06, 2011
_http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t2674-anyone-here-seen-this-the-chani-project-and-computer-channelling

This is the oldest post I could find from the chani forum _http://thechaniproject.com/  - From the General Discussion category of the Chani forum - June 01, 2011
_http://thechaniproject.com/forum/index.php/topic,8.0.html

Looks like whatever was posted on the GLP page has been removed.

So the earliest this stuff came out from what I could find is June 2011 with the publishing of the Nexus article and what looks like the creation of the chani webpage/forum in early June 2011.
Before you trust that this stuff (and I want to say crap) is old, search and see what is the earliest information pointing to when it came out.  Don’t trust that it is accurate or any of the information told you is accurate and I would say think before believing any of it.

The only reason I can think of to follow the 'predictions' is to see if someone that is in the know is trying to plant a seed of validity for the website if something does happen to be fairly accurate to say look the chani source was right, what else did it say.  Thatcher had been going down hill for some time from what I have read, so to me that doesn't say much.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: moonfly on April 11, 2013, 06:15:27 AM
Bear, thanks. 
FWIW, I am not suggesting CHANI data is anything but a curiousity at this point, and there are various data points that connect to other players narratives/projects/channels that are currently up and running.  Surely I am interested in the date/event locking, so it's eyes open/shields up sort of approach to this. 

I'm still struck by the entire body of work.  The Q & A's, the detail, very very interesting.  Even if the info only goes back to '11, it's still pretty impressive.  So that brings me back to the time/space thing.  If this info was put out there in '11, is the big if.  What if it was put back there by the future people?   What it that was just one of the many projects to test.  A seeding of info to test response, then stretch time, and re-seed it with something else and then test us.  Like rubber bands being stretched again and again...  a game, a test on humans. 

I think I better lay off the coffee. 

Thank you again.  I know some of this sort of work has to be an individual journey, but I do feel that time as we know it is quickening.  It's obvious that the crazynut factor is being pumped by the press to raise the noise level to such a degree that people are paralyzed by the mental chaos.  This is one reason why reading the C's transcripts have been helpful so far, in that they teach how to dissect ones own perception. 
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Shijing on April 11, 2013, 07:36:55 AM
In regard to this:

Quote from: 3/23/13
A: It can also arise spontaneously.

Q: (L) So it's not always genetic? (Ailen) What about these specific circumstances? (Bubbles) Is it like a defense mechanism?

A: Yes.

Q: (Bubbles) A defense against what?

A: Breaching the barriers. Your psyche feels in need of greater defense.

I'm not sure if it's related, but this exchange happened back at the end of 2000:

Quote from: 12/2/00
Q:  (L)  What is the cause of the state of mind I have been in with the writing for the last few weeks.  I have basically been in a very chaotic state, unable to write.  Is that a result of Frank's actions and thinking?
A:  Monitors.

Q:  (L)  What chemical are they producing?  {BT's cell phone emits beep noises and is turned off.  Laughter.}
A:  Fe fe fe fe fe fe.

Q:  (L)  What is that?  (A)  Fe is iron.  (L)  Oh!  Yes, we asked what was going on with my chaotic state.  (TK)  Is that the answer to Laura's question?  (L)  Is my iron level low?
A:  Yes.

Interesting that it was stated that Laura's iron level was low -- maybe low in proportion to level of defense needed, not in terms of "standard" levels?  FWIW.

Added: Or maybe the "yes" was in response to TK, not Laura?
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Laura on April 11, 2013, 08:31:16 AM

So the earliest this stuff came out from what I could find is June 2011 with the publishing of the Nexus article and what looks like the creation of the chani webpage/forum in early June 2011.

Before you trust that this stuff (and I want to say crap) is old, search and see what is the earliest information pointing to when it came out.  Don’t trust that it is accurate or any of the information told you is accurate and I would say think before believing any of it.

The only reason I can think of to follow the 'predictions' is to see if someone that is in the know is trying to plant a seed of validity for the website if something does happen to be fairly accurate to say look the chani source was right, what else did it say.  Thatcher had been going down hill for some time from what I have read, so to me that doesn't say much.

Exactly.  It's like the Leophoenix - xineohpoel  guy posting about 9-11 weeks before it happened.  In some cases, it can be a COINTEL operation where some accurate "plans" are given out as prophecies along with ideas that are 180 degrees reversed from objective reality.  When the prophecies "come true" then gullible people will believe the rest of the stuff that is lies.  Godlikeproductions and abovetopsecret are notorious disinfo/vector sites but it is sometimes useful to keep one's eye on them in order to know what the PTB are planning.

Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: MrEightFive on April 11, 2013, 11:38:58 AM
Some quick thoughts about CHANI. Gov't/military involvement is suspicious, but something there is worth examining
Quote from: CHANI
many things go wrong 15 may because door opens with portal to dark matters not undestanding earth beings
sharon will dimise be4 15 may
mandela will dimise be4 15 may
thatcher will stroke be4 15 may
japan warring thing will commenceing before 15 may secretly
oil gets very big sicknes no use anymore after 15 may
old bush will very sick be4 15 may
cheney will dimise be4 15 june
obama accident before 27 aperil
big sicknes be4 15 may
very moving earth on 17 aperils
oceon not sleeping when heaven things beware many waters to come drown
brown cheat be4 15 may
putin missing after 15 may many worry people do crazy things
I follow Clif High's weekly Immediacy Data Intelligence Report (IDIR) since Jan 2013, and in several IDIRs for last month he reported almost exactly same things coming in data (but he couldn't provide exact dates, just probability time windows). I would roughly give a 60-70% accuracy of IDIRs as of now.
Just several relevant memes from memory:
"big sickness everywhere"
"oil or oil products are polluted, can't be used"
"reports coming from Russia that Putin has gone missing by end of May, Russia's govs minions scared"
"some Brit's powerful and wealthy individual is dead (somebody related/similar to Windsors family who claim they own the country), there is grand funeral, vacuum of power emerges"
"big earthquake(s), maybe several in row, worldwide about middle of April, a bit closer to end of April"
And much much more, not related to this quote per se but relevant more to last Cs info.

Quote from: CHANI
u must lern harmonics yor planet soon or u demise not knowing anything and begin 0000 again
[...]
yor leaders prepare
u stil not prepare why
0000 is here make ready yor mind soul body now
Time cycle reference? "0 New Year"?

Quote from: CHANI
me unerstan yor acension asking wordings
me tel u now your acension is nothing more then mas abuction thing ok

we won war with reptile our line time long ago we evolve then
reptile yor line time keep u back u can not grow

we kil many dragons many line times 1 long ago
stil dragons left in holow ground yor line time 1 yes
Sounds about right...

Some staff is doubtful however
Quote from: CHANI
earth not solid
me not know al theory things
dragon like beings live holow ground stil
they good now
they very wise now
they peaceful like dolphin now

I wouldn't be against group asking Cs who is behind this information in next session (especially considering that each next session now may be the "last session before"... or before it could be still shared by internet means worldwide).
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Laura on April 11, 2013, 12:20:37 PM
Ya'll go ahead and create a doc for me with questions and send to laura(at)sott.net.  Quite a few in this thread.  We'll be getting to them very soon though I can't promise we'll cover all as you know how that can go!
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: pinokyo on April 11, 2013, 12:30:53 PM
Hi laura
I'm waiting for the "Comets and the Horns of Moses" in Turkish version at Istanbul.
Can you ask to cassionpians how can i learn english easly for me pls :)
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Divide By Zero on April 11, 2013, 02:43:44 PM

Quote
The Council ordered us to be released, but said we would have to cancel our contract to help the Souls on Earth to evolve. We didn't want to leave, we found them very likable Beings, really Positively Polarized, and we wanted to stay and help, we just wanted also to be free to come and go as we pleased. The only way we could stay, was to stay confined as a Group Soul, which meant Cycles of incarnation for us (as individuated Souls), which we had not done for a long while. As I've stated before, there is no 'wrong' or 'right' seen from a Higher Density, but there are still consequences for every action. Such is the law of Karmic effect. The contract had already been made between Yahweh, us, and the Council for us to provide the Catalyst so we had a right to be there, the Karmic effect of Yahweh imprisoning us on the Macrocosmic level, was that his individuated Souls would be imprisoned on the microcosmic level.

The Infinite Creator gave Yahweh (and all) the gift of Free Will to Create as we choose, but the Karmic effect of his choice was the Council quarantining the planet. A certain evolutionary level is required to be a functioning part of a Positive Unified Galactic Society. As for "fighting for the freedom of all souls", remember that ultimately, this is a Game, that we are all playing here. We are actors, playing on the "stage of Life". This 'world' is all illusion, or 'though-form'. No one really "dies", and no one is really hurt. In between incarnations, you know this very well. But the rules of the game ensure that you must forget who you really are, so that you believe it is all 'real' whilst you are playing the game of Life. That is an essential prerequisite when you are making choices. Otherwise, the game would be too easy. This world is not reality. Though we can express Reality in it, if we so chose. ATS: OK, so your family and fellow elites might be as entrapped in the Earthly realm as we are, but why actively propagate and aid the forces of enslavement?

HH: Because that is the part we have been contracted to play, in this game. In order to "win" (or more accurately to be successful in) the Game, we must be as Negatively Polarized as possible. Service to Self in the extreme. Violence, War, Hatred, Greed, Control, Enslavement, Genocide, Torture, Moral Degradation, Prostitution, Drugs, all these things and more, they serve our purpose. In the Game. The difference between us and you, in the Game, is that we know that we are "playing". The less you know about the Game, and the less you remember that you're a player, the more "senseless" living becomes. In all these Negative things, we are providing you with tools. But you do not see it. It is not what we do, but how you react to it, that is important. We give you the tools. You have the Free Will choice how you will use them. You have to take responsibility. There is only One of Us here. Understand that, and you will understand the Game.


So, it's ok for evil to be so pervasive because it's just a game?
Typical subjective viewpoint, that the game has to be played this way and oh my gosh the baddies are doing such a good service for us because this "council" with Yahweh decided to do this.

It reminds me of when the C's said that we are not in control, we are an experiment.

Like mice in a lab, the scientists think they are doing a service by playing "games" with them.

This stuff smells like new age with a twist: acknowledging evil's role.

It makes me feel sick.  Maybe I am missing something?
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Gawan on April 11, 2013, 03:06:40 PM
Hi laura
I'm waiting for the "Comets and the Horns of Moses" in Turkish version at Istanbul.
Can you ask to cassionpians how can i learn english easly for me pls :)

Well, no C's needed to answer that. Keep practicing and use a kindle since it has an english-english dictionary integrated or any other programs. There are no shortcuts though, but many tools that could make it easier.

And by the way :welcome: to the forum, if you like you can introduce yourself in the newbies section (http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?board=39.0).
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: pinokyo on April 11, 2013, 03:18:54 PM
meybe shortcut is the "Google Translate" for me ;)
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: moonfly on April 11, 2013, 03:59:51 PM

So the earliest this stuff came out from what I could find is June 2011 with the publishing of the Nexus article and what looks like the creation of the chani webpage/forum in early June 2011.

Before you trust that this stuff (and I want to say crap) is old, search and see what is the earliest information pointing to when it came out.  Don’t trust that it is accurate or any of the information told you is accurate and I would say think before believing any of it.

The only reason I can think of to follow the 'predictions' is to see if someone that is in the know is trying to plant a seed of validity for the website if something does happen to be fairly accurate to say look the chani source was right, what else did it say.  Thatcher had been going down hill for some time from what I have read, so to me that doesn't say much.

Exactly.  It's like the Leophoenix - xineohpoel  guy posting about 9-11 weeks before it happened.  In some cases, it can be a COINTEL operation where some accurate "plans" are given out as prophecies along with ideas that are 180 degrees reversed from objective reality.  When the prophecies "come true" then gullible people will believe the rest of the stuff that is lies.  Godlikeproductions and abovetopsecret are notorious disinfo/vector sites but it is sometimes useful to keep one's eye on them in order to know what the PTB are planning.

Good Morning Laura!
I agree with you. 

I wanted to add a point of clarity.  According to the Nexus article, the data was collected between 1994 - 1999.  The project ended due to a software upgrade for y2k.  The pages of notes were mothballed for a while, and brought out for analysis in 2006.  Selected texts were published in '11.   Here is an excerpt of that article.

Quote
The CHANI Project

During the years 1994 to 1999, a group of researchers from an organisation/corporation, which I will call RAND and Associates, or RA, had access to an underground CERN-like collider facility in Africa (the location is still classified). A contingent of AFRICOM security personnel was tasked with securing the base and, of course, keeping its location secret. The AFRICOM station commander made and supervised all the travel and accommodation arrangements for the team of researchers. They were closely watched 24/7.

Source: _http://thechaniproject.com/nexus.html

So, if this is legit, the names of the players Entity mentions, is remarkable. 

My question for the C's:
1) Is the CHANI project legitimate.  (or words that best question it's validity and predictions)

Thanks so much
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Gandalf on April 11, 2013, 04:08:31 PM
meybe shortcut is the "Google Translate" for me ;)

And doing so, you will learn and improve your English.

As it has been mentioned earlier, there are no shortcuts and remember learning is fun.  ;D
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: moonfly on April 11, 2013, 07:47:01 PM
Some quick thoughts about CHANI. Gov't/military involvement is suspicious, but something there is worth examining
Quote from: CHANI
many things go wrong 15 may because door opens with portal to dark matters not undestanding earth beings
sharon will dimise be4 15 may
mandela will dimise be4 15 may
thatcher will stroke be4 15 may
japan warring thing will commenceing before 15 may secretly
oil gets very big sicknes no use anymore after 15 may
old bush will very sick be4 15 may
cheney will dimise be4 15 june
obama accident before 27 aperil
big sicknes be4 15 may
very moving earth on 17 aperils
oceon not sleeping when heaven things beware many waters to come drown
brown cheat be4 15 may
putin missing after 15 may many worry people do crazy things
I follow Clif High's weekly Immediacy Data Intelligence Report (IDIR) since Jan 2013, and in several IDIRs for last month he reported almost exactly same things coming in data (but he couldn't provide exact dates, just probability time windows). I would roughly give a 60-70% accuracy of IDIRs as of now.
Just several relevant memes from memory:
"big sickness everywhere"
"oil or oil products are polluted, can't be used"
"reports coming from Russia that Putin has gone missing by end of May, Russia's govs minions scared"
"some Brit's powerful and wealthy individual is dead (somebody related/similar to Windsors family who claim they own the country), there is grand funeral, vacuum of power emerges"
"big earthquake(s), maybe several in row, worldwide about middle of April, a bit closer to end of April"
And much much more, not related to this quote per se but relevant more to last Cs info.

Quote from: CHANI
u must lern harmonics yor planet soon or u demise not knowing anything and begin 0000 again
[...]
yor leaders prepare
u stil not prepare why
0000 is here make ready yor mind soul body now
Time cycle reference? "0 New Year"?

Quote from: CHANI
me unerstan yor acension asking wordings
me tel u now your acension is nothing more then mas abuction thing ok

we won war with reptile our line time long ago we evolve then
reptile yor line time keep u back u can not grow

we kil many dragons many line times 1 long ago
stil dragons left in holow ground yor line time 1 yes
Sounds about right...

Some staff is doubtful however
Quote from: CHANI
earth not solid
me not know al theory things
dragon like beings live holow ground stil
they good now
they very wise now
they peaceful like dolphin now

I wouldn't be against group asking Cs who is behind this information in next session (especially considering that each next session now may be the "last session before"... or before it could be still shared by internet means worldwide).

Bumped into this at the CHANI forum:

Joseph Tittel has predicted that Mandela and George Bush (he did not specify which one) plus one other major influential past leader will die in 2013.


Prediction #106
_http://spiritmanjoseph.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03/2013-world-predictions-part-2-complete.html

Noting many of the predictions align with the Webbot project of clif high. 

This one prediction/comment was very interesting, in that the negative DNA types will be removed.  I'm encouraged that he sees our planet continuing to focus and raise it's vibration. 

Prediction/comment #90
Quote
90. (snip). As good and evil collapse in on themselves our lord and father will destroy this negative species of DNA.

Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: hlat on April 11, 2013, 09:15:51 PM
Just my speculation about parable.

Oil was the necessary fuel to utilize the machine of the lamp.  The lamp was to give light in the darkness if necessary.  To not bring a lamp with oil is to not bring the machine with necessary fuel.

Is the physical body the machine (eg container)?
Is the fuel for the machine the right foods (eg meat) and the right exercises (eg Eiriu Eolas)?

I was thinking along these lines because we don't know exactly when the end will come for each of our 3D lives.  It could be today or 30 years later.  It could be any moment.  So it's like waiting for the announcement that the prince is coming, just waiting.  Meanwhile we have to continue living our lives and taking care of ourselves and our family.  Now would be the time to get the oil/fuel into the machine.

I was also thinking the parable doesn't say the world runs out of oil.  People can always go buy the oil.  So maybe the analysis is not about stockpiling food to survive starvation.  Maybe it is about getting yourself right so that you will be recognized as ready for the next level.

Also, we don't have to do something because some psychopath asks us to or are programming tells us to.  We can say no and send them on their way.  I like to put it, never seek approval.

Living our lives.  I think we could strive to do something we enjoy.  There's a bit of negativity, worry, anxiety, about not having enough time, about not being prepared.  I know I experience those emotions.  But learning is supposed to be fun.  I know I had great fun reading the Wave series.  So in our preparation and work, let's try to have fun while we are doing it.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: moonfly on April 12, 2013, 03:41:38 AM
@hlat, yes! 

Agree completely!

When I think of the past, like everyone, I remember many things.  Things are the roots of us all.  Memories, family, friends, possessions, travels, loss and joy, pain and failings, and it's all just like everyone else, except, there ARE people along the way that can make you laugh so hard at anything, even through tears, that creates that special knowing, that you, we, all, are much more in this life, having one smile left in us.  Any moment can bring that spontaneous reaction.  We are alive.  We are human.  We are more than we know.  And we need and love each other.  And most of all, we do.  Fwiw, my mother used to say if you leave this life with enough best friends to count 5 fingers, you are 3 ahead of the game.   She said, in the end, it wasn't a numbers game, it was all about love.  She was a cool chick.  :)
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Muxel on April 12, 2013, 02:44:37 PM
Tried compiling the questions in this thread. Attached here for anyone to edit and change things.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: moonfly on April 12, 2013, 03:22:19 PM
Tried compiling the questions in this thread. Attached here for anyone to edit and change things.

Would it be possible to add this question?


Is the CHANI project disinfo or legitimate contact?
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: monotonic on April 12, 2013, 04:24:35 PM
I think we should try to distill the questions down so we can ask as much without too many words, and perhaps answer multiple questions at once.

One way might simply be to ask "could you elaborate on what it means to prepare" rather than testing each scenario. The C's response could be interpreted in a great many ways each of which is a reasonable way to prepare for what is to come. What if the answer was given this way intentionally?

Maybe the question to ask is rather, in which ways we DON'T need to prepare. What to not waste our energy and time with; we know these are limited. We could also ask for a list of post numbers in this thread that are on track.

One way we could potentially cover a lot of ground in a short time is to organize the questions like a conditional flow chart, so that the response to each question indicates which other questions we don't need to answer. But there is such a thing as too much structure, which in this case is potentially anticipation.

My thoughts:

1: If we are cut off from the group, should we prioritize finding a way to communicate or work with the present goal? How to know how to reestablish contact, and when? Will there be non-physical communication and if so what will be the prerequisites for it?

2: Will we need to utilize metaphysical knowledge in the near future?

3: Is it possible to tell the nature of the new experiences we will collectively encounter and how this relates to preparation?

4: We know that higher density STO are limited in their assistance because of free will, but that this situation will change eventually. Could this be in the immediate future or no?

I am thinking if one has been loose about journaling, the Work, recording dreams, diet and so on, they may want to get the fire going. And stock up on books?
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Yozilla on April 12, 2013, 09:57:02 PM
... Thatcher had been going down hill for some time from what I have read, so to me that doesn't say much.

I agree - and others on the list are in fall of their lives too...

Is the CHANI project disinfo or legitimate contact?

Hmm... i'm pondering what could be an issue behind 'engineered' (not claiming that CHANI is such) prophecies... Maybe the catch is in anticipation - as C's more than once suggested that it must be avoided - so PTB with seeding anticipation through launching false predictions, are maybe trying to, somehow, re-direct mass attention/consciousness which is in charge of our (better) future, so to "unburden" their plans of further submission of human race?

Y...
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Divide By Zero on April 12, 2013, 10:11:14 PM
Is the CHANI project disinfo or legitimate contact?

Hmm... i'm pondering what could be an issue behind 'engineered' (not claiming that CHANI is such) prophecies... Maybe the catch is in anticipation - as C's more than once suggested that it must be avoided - so PTB with seeding anticipation through launching false predictions, are maybe trying to, somehow, re-direct mass attention/consciousness which is in charge of our (better) future, so to "unburden" their plans of further submission of human race?

Y...

I agree with this.   I think that is why the C's say that they cannot give many predictions.  To anticipate the future would change the future, much like the C's said to anticipate attack to make it less likely to happen.

<joke alert>
Is CHANI real?
Chani says (in their text messaging lingo):
y u dont b leev us 2 b real?


Moonfly, the CHANI project smells of disinfo if not intentional.  If not disinfo, remember that even the C's said that the alignment of those who channeled them affected accuracy.  Way back with Frank, he would steer the answers into his agenda.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: MrEightFive on April 12, 2013, 10:19:53 PM
Hmm... i'm pondering what could be an issue behind 'engineered' (not claiming that CHANI is such) prophecies... Maybe the catch is in anticipation - as C's more than once suggested that it must be avoided - so PTB with seeding anticipation through launching false predictions, are maybe trying to, somehow, re-direct mass attention/consciousness which is in charge of our (better) future, so to "unburden" their plans of further submission of human race?
But number of people of all world population who even bother to read such material is vanishingly small... 99% around me (let's say in "business environment") consciously anticipate just nothing aside from further acquiring material stuff from their bonuses (sorry I have hard time tolerate this STS 'garbage'). So there is a question: if say 90% anticipate nothing, and remaining 10% anticipate 'something' (not necessarily same thing), then what will happen?
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: monotonic on April 12, 2013, 10:59:30 PM
So there is a question: if say 90% anticipate nothing, and remaining 10% anticipate 'something' (not necessarily same thing), then what will happen?

Will the 90% still be doing that if society collapses? I think the 10% may be a big influence on the 90% at that point.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Yozilla on April 12, 2013, 11:07:27 PM
Maybe those few who are sincere who - may i say - through truly experiencing REAL drama, not living in farce and pretending that everything is so regular (vast majority) , maybe those few truth seekers/speakers are only ones whose true emotions really matter, and therefore are making the difference. Maybe those emotions are only which ought to be "recorded" and took in "consideration". Maybe emotions of other 99% (or so) are not in "proper format" to be recorded at all - they are based on fitting in the matrix to get "bonuses" of any kind... So if PTB manage to convert some of that truth-seekers, the impact on data that are of some value to The Cosmos cold be significant... Uhhh this was a chore to put together - and it could be just my imagination - or it could be some heavy receiving :huh:

I need a break...uh - need some air and stretching...

Yozilla D'monster
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: OpenHeartMonk on April 12, 2013, 11:29:52 PM
And stock up on books?

the enlightened sage
burns his books
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: anart on April 13, 2013, 12:24:01 AM
And stock up on books?

the enlightened sage
burns his books

What a waste.

Seriously, though, is there a purpose behind this comment, OpenHeartMonk?
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: moonfly on April 13, 2013, 01:11:13 AM
Is the CHANI project disinfo or legitimate contact?

Hmm... i'm pondering what could be an issue behind 'engineered' (not claiming that CHANI is such) prophecies... Maybe the catch is in anticipation - as C's more than once suggested that it must be avoided - so PTB with seeding anticipation through launching false predictions, are maybe trying to, somehow, re-direct mass attention/consciousness which is in charge of our (better) future, so to "unburden" their plans of further submission of human race?

Y...

I agree with this.   I think that is why the C's say that they cannot give many predictions.  To anticipate the future would change the future, much like the C's said to anticipate attack to make it less likely to happen.

<joke alert>
Is CHANI real?
Chani says (in their text messaging lingo):
y u dont b leev us 2 b real?


Moonfly, the CHANI project smells of disinfo if not intentional.  If not disinfo, remember that even the C's said that the alignment of those who channeled them affected accuracy.  Way back with Frank, he would steer the answers into his agenda.

First, thanks and I
Love the joke!  Perfect.

I have continued to dig into the texts, and there was a definite shift in the 'speaking/writing' voice of the entity.  While the jury is still out since I've not combed all the text yet, when the language shifted, it was a huge red flag.  At the moment I'm considering that it might have been legit, but was coopted/molested by political hacks to steer truth seekers, and worse bait people into some false fear paradigm.   While I'm not yet sure it's a waste of my time, I've learned much, so I chalk it to the 'worth it' time ledger.  I just want to satisfy my own curiosity, and I truly appreciate the feedback!!   

The more I read here in this forum, I am sincerely appreciative of the encouragement to use ones own discernment, but understand that I've pretty much just arrived at the first day of school.  I made it through quite a number hurdles dealing with psychopaths, and OP's to dig my heels in and keep going.   Keep learning.   It seems as if I've fallen into a gift box and are opening so many packages, I don't know which one to choose first.  It sort of miraculous, but someone may fault my characterization there, but that's what it feels like for me.

My thanks again and bear with me while I sidle in with the class.  But I do ask questions :)
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: OpenHeartMonk on April 13, 2013, 01:58:40 AM
And stock up on books?

the enlightened sage
burns his books

What a waste.

Seriously, though, is there a purpose behind this comment, OpenHeartMonk?

the intellect is a barrier to true understanding

books fuel the intellect, creating additional thoughtforms for distraction

the metaphor of a sage burning his books is the dawn of awareness from within, unfettered from the delusion of the mind

why even bring it up?

i watched my questions get distorted by some views obtained from a book written by a man who is now dead.. and that is unfortunate delusion
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: anart on April 13, 2013, 02:06:01 AM
And stock up on books?

the enlightened sage
burns his books

What a waste.

Seriously, though, is there a purpose behind this comment, OpenHeartMonk?

the intellect is a barrier to true understanding

books fuel the intellect, creating additional thoughtforms for distraction

the metaphor of a sage burning his books is the dawn of awareness from within, unfettered from the delusion of the mind

why even bring it up?

i watched my questions get distorted by some views obtained from a book written by a man who is now dead.. and that is unfortunate delusion

Have you had a chance to read the Wave Series?  This forum is based on it and the work of G.I. Gurdjieff as well as the other work of Laura Knight -Jadczyk.  If you'd like to participate here, it would be appreciated if you could get up to speed on the relevant material - all of which is available in book form.   :)  If your cup, however, is already full then perhaps this is not the best forum on which to spend your time.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: OpenHeartMonk on April 13, 2013, 02:47:22 AM
And stock up on books?

the enlightened sage
burns his books

What a waste.

Seriously, though, is there a purpose behind this comment, OpenHeartMonk?

the intellect is a barrier to true understanding

books fuel the intellect, creating additional thoughtforms for distraction

the metaphor of a sage burning his books is the dawn of awareness from within, unfettered from the delusion of the mind

why even bring it up?

i watched my questions get distorted by some views obtained from a book written by a man who is now dead.. and that is unfortunate delusion

Have you had a chance to read the Wave Series?  This forum is based on it and the work of G.I. Gurdjieff as well as the other work of Laura Knight -Jadczyk.  If you'd like to participate here, it would be appreciated if you could get up to speed on the relevant material - all of which is available in book form.   :)  If your cup, however, is already full then perhaps this is not the best forum on which to spend your time.

i like your tagline:

"Try for a moment to accept the idea that you are not what you believe yourself to be, that you overestimate yourself, in fact that you lie to yourself. That you always lie to yourself every moment, all day, all your life.[...] You must stop inwardly and observe." Mme Jean de Salzmann
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: anart on April 13, 2013, 02:53:26 AM

i like your tagline:

"Try for a moment to accept the idea that you are not what you believe yourself to be, that you overestimate yourself, in fact that you lie to yourself. That you always lie to yourself every moment, all day, all your life.[...] You must stop inwardly and observe." Mme Jean de Salzmann

Mme de Salzmann was a student of Gurdjieff's.  You didn't answer my question, however, have you read the Wave Series or Gurdjieff's work yet? 
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: OromNom on April 13, 2013, 03:12:30 AM
the intellect is a barrier to true understanding

Maybe this is true at some point or level of an individuals conscious progression, but not at the level of view sharing in this forum, discussing topics and to be critical and analyzing the matters herein discussed.

If this is not so, maybe you can show us how we can come to an understanding of the world we live in and how it affects us daily without the use of the intellect? And if so, it is an ocasion for creating another topic.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: obyvatel on April 13, 2013, 09:18:12 AM
the intellect is a barrier to true understanding

Maybe this is true at some point or level of an individuals conscious progression,

   I think the comment "intellect is a barrier to true understanding" results from a faulty understanding of intellect and its role in development. Intellect is like a powerful tool that needs to be directed and used properly. My working hypothesis at present is that true understanding is impossible without proper use of the intellectual faculty.

From wikipedia
Quote
  Intellect is a term used in studies of the human mind, and refers to the ability of the mind to come to correct conclusions about what is true or real, and about how to solve problems. Historically the term comes from the Greek philosophical term nous, which was translated into Latin as intellectus (derived from the verb intelligere) and into French (and then English) as intelligence.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: MrEightFive on April 13, 2013, 01:29:43 PM
In my opinion questions to Cs regarding CHANI may start rather simple, sort of incremental questions, i.e:
1. What density is source of CHANI information?
 3rd? OK, we just forget it. 4th? Then:
2. What polarity/realm is source of CHANI information (STS/STO)?
 STS? OK, there enough of it here. STO? Then it is more complicated:
3. What group does entity represent? What are the objectives of that group? From information provided he/she lives on Earth, just different timeline(s), and we sort of going to merge with them/go their 'timeline'. So are they us in our 'future', our whole 'us' in 4th density? Or is it about parallel reality? Etc.
4. Several questions about predicted dates. Why is month/day provided, but not the year? What do PTB plan to do with LHC (on 15 May)?


Personally, I'm very concerned with this:
Quote from: CHANI
elders xplain me xplain now like elders ok
the speed of yor line time is slowing
but the revolutions of yor earth line time is speeding up very quikly
u r slowing but u r spining fasters in the same place ok
the wave is cause big this but also the big silent rock

1. Is that indeed the case? If it is not wave and this rock, does any STS group manipulate our time in a big way now?
2. Is 'macro probability collapse' to whatever 2009 + 5 yrs still valid?
3. Is "April drop dead date' still to be experienced?
4. Does "be prepared" like wise virgins simply means hold your frequency stable and be ready any time now to be free of old ways and old world?
5. Where is twin sun (close approach date expired)?
6. Where is supernova (date expired)?
7. Where is comet cluster(s) (date expired)?
8. Where is the Wave (date expired)?

I confess, my greatest fear is that "nothing happens" in nearest future or that what will happen is not enough of magnitude to completely dismantle old System (which I hate). And I doomed to live here through slow decay decomposition and disruption and never be given a chance to fulfill what I think is my 'destiny'.
I may be completely delusional or mistaken with this. But I just don't fit here, never fit completely. It is just adaptation, sham and frustration. Every day is just slow death anyway. Sort of to be stuck at 'no man's land' - old life is almost dead for me, I cannot go back (and do not want to) and still there is no new life (or change).
And such thoughts is pure STS and ego and impatience, I know (damn, I'm terrible person probably, but I work on myself at my own pace).
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: anart on April 13, 2013, 02:49:41 PM
I confess, my greatest fear is that "nothing happens" in nearest future or that what will happen is not enough of magnitude to completely dismantle old System (which I hate). And I doomed to live here through slow decay decomposition and disruption and never be given a chance to fulfill what I think is my 'destiny'.

But that is the crux, MrEightFive, it is YOUR destiny and, in that, yours to fulfill.  We can't passively accept what "happens to us" as if that is all there is.  You are in this time line, incarnated in a body with a mind that can interface with this reality for a reason.  The reason is to be an active force in this timeline.  It's not about "nothing happens" - it's about what you make happen in your life and with your life that not only transforms you but transforms the world around you.

Quote from: m
I may be completely delusional or mistaken with this. But I just don't fit here, never fit completely. It is just adaptation, sham and frustration. Every day is just slow death anyway. Sort of to be stuck at 'no man's land' - old life is almost dead for me, I cannot go back (and do not want to) and still there is no new life (or change).
And such thoughts is pure STS and ego and impatience, I know (damn, I'm terrible person probably, but I work on myself at my own pace).

And if it is up to you to make that change, then times a'wastin' - how could it not be up to you to be part of that change, to "make it" - why else would you be here?  Don't sit passively waiting for whatever might happen to happen - take every single day to transform your life and your self into some small representation of the world in which you feel you would "fit".  If everyone here did that, every single day, we might already "be" where we're going.  This is YOUR life - right now - right here and this is your time to be an active force - don't sit passively waiting for "something to happen" when you are that something- we all are.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: moonfly on April 13, 2013, 04:45:34 PM
@MrEightyFive, great questions, and I echo your feelings.  I truly think some games have been played with our timeline or time/space.  The slowing but spinning faster idea might explain how the current controllers have kept the financial crash from manifesting, OR, it did, they reversed time to fix what broke enough to keep it going again, till they cleaned out all the coffers.  That might explain why soooooo much negative news being rained on us each and every day is to raise fear to it's zenith, plug any loopholes, or THOUGHTS of escaping their grip, therefore, we wait to be consumed by them.  Typical psychopaths, when then can't totally control you they seek to destroy you, and keep a few around to do their dirty work and feed on.  So, the frustration is really about two things.  Hurry up and crash so we can rebuild, and that's where I think many people are psychologically.  Second, it's the strangest sort of opportunity to go within and see the magnitude of the wicked experiment as well.  While there may be no external saviors to step in and clean up the mess, it is we who must be ready when that happens, and try our best how not to slip back, but I don't think that's going to be a choice.   Chani suggests we are going to repeat again, IF we don't merge timelines, fuse.  That's a point I'd like to explore with the C's. 

There is quite a lot in the chani material that aligns with C's it seems to me (so far).  Going within, using our freewill.  In fact, Chani echos the wise words of Anarts response as well.  That was awesome Anart!

Also Mr.85, notice that the CHANI dates have also aligned with the Webbot dates or tipping dates, and many of them came and went, leaving confusion about what it was the data was actually pointing to.   So the date slippage by both Chani and Webbot, is curious and goes to the consideration that time has been messed with.  Bent, slowed, stretched, while OTHER THINGS have moved at record speed.   Events or predictions once thought to be imminent were a bleedthrough of the data.  In clif's work many of the November tipping events which were considered imminent, happened two/three years later.  So the 'miss' was finally understood as 'bleedthrough'.   If it wasn't someone playing with our timeline, perhaps it was awareness/consciousness that affected it.  Maybe just a little.  Maybe it was both. 

Not long ago I remember hearing that clif high had done an experiment with other RVr's, and it was this last February I think, that all of them had noticed what he could best describe as a ripple in time, or wrinkle.  The speculation was that something LEFT our timeline.  That is spooky. 

So, something is up with time for sure, I haven't made up my mind on the Chani project yet, but I see at their forum there are some healthy skeptics.   

Perhaps a question for the C's is has Earths/Humans time/line, time/space been altered.  Perhaps it was by CERN.  That worries me. 

Now back to Anart's point, we need to take responsibility for fulfilling our own destiny.  There are SO many things we need to be working on and not allow the fear of the unknown steal our energy or seduce it from us using tired old fear tactics.  Exercising a new mental muscle is work.  :)

Perhaps the help that is on the way, is us..
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: OpenHeartMonk on April 13, 2013, 05:31:52 PM

i like your tagline:

"Try for a moment to accept the idea that you are not what you believe yourself to be, that you overestimate yourself, in fact that you lie to yourself. That you always lie to yourself every moment, all day, all your life.[...] You must stop inwardly and observe." Mme Jean de Salzmann

Mme de Salzmann was a student of Gurdjieff's.  You didn't answer my question, however, have you read the Wave Series or Gurdjieff's work yet?

yes
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: OpenHeartMonk on April 13, 2013, 05:44:43 PM
the intellect is a barrier to true understanding

Maybe this is true at some point or level of an individuals conscious progression, but not at the level of view sharing in this forum, discussing topics and to be critical and analyzing the matters herein discussed.

If this is not so, maybe you can show us how we can come to an understanding of the world we live in and how it affects us daily without the use of the intellect? And if so, it is an ocasion for creating another topic.

just be

when thoughts and emotion arise, recognize these are temporal objects and let them go

how do we get here, well, it requires cultivation of the witness.. meditation is the most direct path to realizing this, although there are other tools that can assist (breathwork and yogas)

this idea of being critical, of analyzing and discussing, it can be useful to a point, but it will not lead to liberation/enlightenment -- it is far more useful to observe the autopilot programs of the human machine and disengage from conditioned behaviors
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: OpenHeartMonk on April 13, 2013, 05:47:10 PM
the intellect is a barrier to true understanding

Maybe this is true at some point or level of an individuals conscious progression,

   I think the comment "intellect is a barrier to true understanding" results from a faulty understanding of intellect and its role in development. Intellect is like a powerful tool that needs to be directed and used properly. My working hypothesis at present is that true understanding is impossible without proper use of the intellectual faculty.

From wikipedia
Quote
  Intellect is a term used in studies of the human mind, and refers to the ability of the mind to come to correct conclusions about what is true or real, and about how to solve problems. Historically the term comes from the Greek philosophical term nous, which was translated into Latin as intellectus (derived from the verb intelligere) and into French (and then English) as intelligence.

the intellect/mind will rot when the human instrument expires.. why waste time nursing that which is temporal?


Edit=Quote
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Psayehefost on April 13, 2013, 06:15:52 PM
We can't passively accept what "happens to us" as if that is all there is.  The reason [for this life] is to be an active force in this timeline.  It's not about "nothing happens" - it's about what you make happen in your life and with your life that not only transforms you but transforms the world around you.

[...]  Don't sit passively waiting for whatever might happen to happen - take every single day to transform your life and your self into some small representation of the world in which you feel you would "fit".  If everyone here did that, every single day, we might already "be" where we're going.  This is YOUR life - right now - right here and this is your time to be an active force - don't sit passively waiting for "something to happen" when you are that something- we all are.

These thoughts tie into my present thoughts and reading. As Viktor Frankl puts it in Man's Search for Meaning, it does not really matter what we expect from life, but rather what life expects from us. Living up to this expectation, I think, is what it means to "give to life" - and we become exactly what we give to life.

Being concerned with what we give to life, and giving to life, instead of being concerned with what life gives or can give to us, is, I think, stocking up on our oil in a nutshell.


For me, the main difficulties are: 1) The programming that interferes, that drives me in endless ways to spin my wheels while dreaming of a "reward" for my activity - this dream need not be expressed in words, but can show itself in a variety of anticipatory attitudes, where something "bad" is to be avoided and/or something "good" to be obtained. 2) Knowing what to really give to life, beyond working to sort myself out; as nearly every idea and activity outside of this is tainted by the aforementioned programming.

But if I would reject every striving, from the smallest to the largest, which is compromised by the aforementioned programming, I would then only sit in my room, take in information, and work with thoughts, feelings, and attiitudes in isolation - which obviously does not lead anywhere. And doing so would in itself be giving in to said programming. So judgment, even if flawed, must be employed - as well as is presently possible, while also working to improve it.

Many seem to be at a crossroads in life - there is the old mold; for me, it is the "job" of studying, which at present fulfils others' expectations and provides a place in life, but which at length would probably be a deadly distraction (possibly on several levels). And so there is the challenge of seeing and of utilizing a possibility for something else - which, to be successful, must be done in the absence of wishful thinking and all other kinds of preconceptions.

For me at present, how to really help others in any significant way, besides networking and spreading some information, remains a mystery. So my hope is that, in working with what I have in life, and on myself, I might begin to understand what to do next - what to do which really gives more to life - and become more capable of doing it - and doing it. Then, to face whatever comes - and if it is "bad", then, as Frankl puts it, to "be worthy of my sufferings", i.e. to meet them with the right attitude - to never let go of aim and to always keep up a meaningful struggle.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: MrEightFive on April 13, 2013, 06:24:26 PM
Thank you anart for your comment. With every year I more and more 'resonate' with idea go out and finally do something about all of this. But right now "time" doesn't seems right. So I wait... And 'army' of others do as well: _http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread929110/pg1 (I don't participate there).

3D/4D STS manipulation with time may well be the case. I don't think they able to prevent 'the shift', but they may be desperately trying to. The question is, for how long 'they' able to stretch this? If we speaking about decades here, then good luck us with this... We are screwed then. Some souls here who may consider they are 'wanderers' or with 'mission' or whatever, their bodies will just die because of old age. Time is our ultimate prison here. We are just blind kittens here. But from 6D realm this messing with time (if it's in fact true) should be known/visible (assumption).

Clif High IDIRs seems to work, but so far magnitude of events in reality is much less than language suggested. His Global Coastal Event may be not such big kick in the butt that has been initially suggested. And Clif admit this in his latest reports/wujos.

If Cs could address these questions, I would be happy :D And many other 'waiters' too.

Quote from: Jan 11, 1997
A: No, they are working on that false premise that they can seal realms into “4th” density and 3rd, 2nd, 1st STS for eternity.
[...]
A: No, not physicality through all densities, just 4th through 1st density STS.

Q: (Laura) Ohhh!! (Terry) They don’t care if it’s physical or not. They’re in 4th. They just want to seal them off and keep them STS to feed off of them. (Jan) Ohhh, they want their own little garden! They want their own little ‘suck’garden.
A: "Eternity" is the key word there. It is where the wishful thinking comes into play.

Quote from: Nov 6, 1994
Q: (L) Are they interested in sexual energy simply because it is life force?
A: Partly and also desperately to stave off change in order to retain control.

Q: (L) What changes are they desperate to stave off?
A: To 4th level.

Q: (L) They are trying to stave off the 4th level change. Can they do that?
A: No. Also hoping to retain control even if change occurs.

Quote from: CHANI
u not wory me
me wory feel u
me line time good now in now
me tel u yor line time is waiting
yor line time is resting is holding back ok

yor line time presure is building
soon yor line time xplode go very quik

Oh god, let's hope...
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Alana on April 13, 2013, 06:36:52 PM
just be

when thoughts and emotion arise, recognize these are temporal objects and let them go

how do we get here, well, it requires cultivation of the witness.. meditation is the most direct path to realizing this, although there are other tools that can assist (breathwork and yogas)

this idea of being critical, of analyzing and discussing, it can be useful to a point, but it will not lead to liberation/enlightenment -- it is far more useful to observe the autopilot programs of the human machine and disengage from conditioned behaviors

And what faculty are you using to do this recognizing, cultivation, observation and disengagement? The intellect perhaps?

the intellect/mind will rot when the human instrument expires.. why waste time nursing that which is temporal?

I think you might be confusing the physical brain with the intellect here. And frankly your comments don't make much sense, OpenHeartMonk. Have you read the forum guidelines (http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=9553.msg69187#msg69187) and do you understand the purpose of this online community?
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: mkrnhr on April 13, 2013, 06:42:58 PM
the intellect/mind will rot when the human instrument expires.. why waste time nursing that which is temporal?
Hello OpenHeartMonk,
How one can ever know if it is the case or not (in other words: sez who?)? It appears at the contrary that mind in the universe grows up (mindlessness is the other path, towards materiality/sleeping consciousness). It is a matter a choice after all, but talking about mind, intellect, intellectuality, intellectualism, etc. One has to use the adequate language and define it precisely, otherwise we use the same words to describe different concepts :)
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: OpenHeartMonk on April 13, 2013, 07:21:49 PM
And what faculty are you using to do this recognizing, cultivation, observation and disengagement? The intellect perhaps?

the intellect must be silenced in order to be recognized -- for this purpose the tool of meditation is engaged

the intellect/mind will rot when the human instrument expires.. why waste time nursing that which is temporal?

I think you might be confusing the physical brain with the intellect here. And frankly your comments don't make much sense, OpenHeartMonk. Have you read the forum guidelines (http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=9553.msg69187#msg69187) and do you understand the purpose of this online community?

i shall respectfully disengage from this conversation that makes no sense to you
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: OpenHeartMonk on April 13, 2013, 07:40:56 PM
the intellect/mind will rot when the human instrument expires.. why waste time nursing that which is temporal?
Hello OpenHeartMonk,
How one can ever know if it is the case or not (in other words: sez who?)? It appears at the contrary that mind in the universe grows up (mindlessness is the other path, towards materiality/sleeping consciousness). It is a matter a choice after all, but talking about mind, intellect, intellectuality, intellectualism, etc. One has to use the adequate language and define it precisely, otherwise we use the same words to describe different concepts :)

one may directly realize this for him/herself

there is no need to believe something someone else says -- indeed belief is detrimental to personal growth

i do suspect, however, that my comments on this topic are not welcome on this forum, so i shall return to silence.. you are welcome to private message me if you wish to continue this discussion
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Shijing on April 13, 2013, 08:09:42 PM
There is quite a lot in the chani material that aligns with C's it seems to me (so far).  Going within, using our freewill. 

I think Laura summed up the situation re: CHANI pretty well:

Quote from: Laura
It's like the Leophoenix - xineohpoel  guy posting about 9-11 weeks before it happened.  In some cases, it can be a COINTEL operation where some accurate "plans" are given out as prophecies along with ideas that are 180 degrees reversed from objective reality.  When the prophecies "come true" then gullible people will believe the rest of the stuff that is lies.  Notorious disinfo/vector sites: it is sometimes useful to keep one's eye on them in order to know what the PTB are planning.
 

In reading through the NEXUS article that you posted the link to, the feeling I get is that it's written by an amateur who wants to pretend that they're something more important that they really are. Who knows, maybe someone somewhere really got tasked with putting this information out on the internet, but it strikes me that most of the CHANI material is stuff that could be picked up just by reading a lot of the New Age/channeling literature. Here are a few quotes from that article that strike me as being red flags for various reasons:

Quote
Holographic Programming of Dark Matter

Quote
It was soon apparent that the Y2K-compliant upgrades had a direct effect on the CHANI research project.

Quote
What made CHANI unique from any other channelling method/technique is that the researchers never used a human "channeller".

Quote
The Entity explained that his Elders "noticed" us (we here on Earth) and our whole solar system cross onto "their" parallel universe.

Quote
The Rubicon division was formed by a number of "dissatisfied" Upper Echelon members within the RA community, who decided that certain information should be released and that seeds should be planted to measure and research public reaction—clearing the way and setting a foundation for whenever "they" decide to flood the wires with full disclosure on any specific topic. When public interaction becomes a necessity, the information is to be released.

Quote
Rubicon has this credo: "Our whistle is blowing softly; if we blow too hard, some eardrums might pop, then everyone would be deaf."

Quote
Some might be pleasantly surprised if they knew how "spiritually oriented" the decision-makers in Upper Echelon and other intelligence-gathering organisations are. They are fully aware of the spiritual impact that the coming changes will bring to mankind.

Quote
But I assure you that even our top neurolinguists were awestruck by how this simple flow of words, structure, spelling and positioning spoke so directly to the reader's being.

Quote
English was the primary language used by the Entity. Another language was perfect Latin. The contrast/contradiction between the childlike use of English and that of the Latin is apparently explained in the master copy of the Echelon files, as are other topics. This file was never made available to me and still remains Centrally Classified to this day.

Quote
As far as the CHANI project was concerned, the elastic properties of time helped to explain why no year was given, only dates.

So I think it's possible it could be interesting from the perspective of planted disinfo and what you might be able to read into it, but not very likely that it represents a legitimate source of "higher" information.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Shijing on April 13, 2013, 08:16:09 PM
i do suspect, however, that my comments on this topic are not welcome on this forum, so i shall return to silence.. you are welcome to private message me if you wish to continue this discussion

There's not really any reason to continue via private message -- it defeats the purpose of learning as a network, which is one of the reasons why we generally discourage it.  Have you read the forum guidelines?
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: moonfly on April 13, 2013, 08:33:56 PM
There is quite a lot in the chani material that aligns with C's it seems to me (so far).  Going within, using our freewill. 

I think Laura summed up the situation re: CHANI pretty well:

Quote from: Laura
It's like the Leophoenix - xineohpoel  guy posting about 9-11 weeks before it happened.  In some cases, it can be a COINTEL operation where some accurate "plans" are given out as prophecies along with ideas that are 180 degrees reversed from objective reality.  When the prophecies "come true" then gullible people will believe the rest of the stuff that is lies. Notorious disinfo/vector sites: it is sometimes useful to keep one's eye on them in order to know what the PTB are planning.
 

In reading through the NEXUS article that you posted the link to, the feeling I get is that it's written by an amateur who wants to pretend that they're something more important that they really are. Who knows, maybe someone somewhere really got tasked with putting this information out on the internet, but it strikes me that most of the CHANI material is stuff that could be picked up just by reading a lot of the New Age/channeling literature. Here are a few quotes from that article that strike me as being red flags for various reasons:

Quote
Holographic Programming of Dark Matter

Quote
It was soon apparent that the Y2K-compliant upgrades had a direct effect on the CHANI research project.

Quote
What made CHANI unique from any other channelling method/technique is that the researchers never used a human "channeller".

Quote
The Entity explained that his Elders "noticed" us (we here on Earth) and our whole solar system cross onto "their" parallel universe.

Quote
The Rubicon division was formed by a number of "dissatisfied" Upper Echelon members within the RA community, who decided that certain information should be released and that seeds should be planted to measure and research public reaction—clearing the way and setting a foundation for whenever "they" decide to flood the wires with full disclosure on any specific topic. When public interaction becomes a necessity, the information is to be released.

Quote
Rubicon has this credo: "Our whistle is blowing softly; if we blow too hard, some eardrums might pop, then everyone would be deaf."

Quote
Some might be pleasantly surprised if they knew how "spiritually oriented" the decision-makers in Upper Echelon and other intelligence-gathering organisations are. They are fully aware of the spiritual impact that the coming changes will bring to mankind.

Quote
But I assure you that even our top neurolinguists were awestruck by how this simple flow of words, structure, spelling and positioning spoke so directly to the reader's being.

Quote
English was the primary language used by the Entity. Another language was perfect Latin. The contrast/contradiction between the childlike use of English and that of the Latin is apparently explained in the master copy of the Echelon files, as are other topics. This file was never made available to me and still remains Centrally Classified to this day.

Quote
As far as the CHANI project was concerned, the elastic properties of time helped to explain why no year was given, only dates.

So I think it's possible it could be interesting from the perspective of planted disinfo and what you might be able to read into it, but not very likely that it represents a legitimate source of "higher" information.

Shijing, thank you for your very helpful response.  I agree with you.   

Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Alana on April 13, 2013, 09:16:22 PM
And what faculty are you using to do this recognizing, cultivation, observation and disengagement? The intellect perhaps?

the intellect must be silenced in order to be recognized -- for this purpose the tool of meditation is engaged

I think you are confusing mind-chatter with intellect here.

i do suspect, however, that my comments on this topic are not welcome on this forum, so i shall return to silence.. you are welcome to private message me if you wish to continue this discussion

There's not really any reason to continue via private message -- it defeats the purpose of learning as a network, which is one of the reasons why we generally discourage it.  Have you read the forum guidelines?

OHM, private messages are discouraged among members also for the protection of all parties involved.

It would be a good idea if you read the links provided in your welcoming post here (http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,30382.msg395551.html#msg395551), along with the forum's guidelines, so that we all speak the same language and there's no confusion based on the different context ascribed to words, as mkrnhr mentioned earlier.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Thor on April 13, 2013, 09:19:28 PM
In my opinion questions to Cs regarding CHANI may start rather simple, sort of incremental questions, i.e:
1. What density is source of CHANI information?
 3rd? OK, we just forget it. 4th? Then:
2. What polarity/realm is source of CHANI information (STS/STO)?
 STS? OK, there enough of it here. STO? Then it is more complicated:
3. What group does entity represent? What are the objectives of that group? From information provided he/she lives on Earth, just different timeline(s), and we sort of going to merge with them/go their 'timeline'. So are they us in our 'future', our whole 'us' in 4th density? Or is it about parallel reality? Etc.
4. Several questions about predicted dates. Why is month/day provided, but not the year? What do PTB plan to do with LHC (on 15 May)?


Personally, I'm very concerned with this:
Quote from: CHANI
elders xplain me xplain now like elders ok
the speed of yor line time is slowing
but the revolutions of yor earth line time is speeding up very quikly
u r slowing but u r spining fasters in the same place ok
the wave is cause big this but also the big silent rock

1. Is that indeed the case? If it is not wave and this rock, does any STS group manipulate our time in a big way now?
2. Is 'macro probability collapse' to whatever 2009 + 5 yrs still valid?
3. Is "April drop dead date' still to be experienced?
4. Does "be prepared" like wise virgins simply means hold your frequency stable and be ready any time now to be free of old ways and old world?
5. Where is twin sun (close approach date expired)?
6. Where is supernova (date expired)?
7. Where is comet cluster(s) (date expired)?
8. Where is the Wave (date expired)?

I confess, my greatest fear is that "nothing happens" in nearest future or that what will happen is not enough of magnitude to completely dismantle old System (which I hate). And I doomed to live here through slow decay decomposition and disruption and never be given a chance to fulfill what I think is my 'destiny'.
I may be completely delusional or mistaken with this. But I just don't fit here, never fit completely. It is just adaptation, sham and frustration. Every day is just slow death anyway. Sort of to be stuck at 'no man's land' - old life is almost dead for me, I cannot go back (and do not want to) and still there is no new life (or change).
And such thoughts is pure STS and ego and impatience, I know (damn, I'm terrible person probably, but I work on myself at my own pace).

As I understand it the questions for the Cs should help us better prepare ourselves for the coming of the Wave. This could be in terms of what to focus on regarding Work, physical preparation, mental preparation, physical preparation, etc..

While I can see that questions about CHANI can be fascinating I am not sure I see how it contributes to our preparation. If I am missing something, please rephrase the questions about CHANI in a way that is relevant to everybody and helps with our preparation and work.

I understand that if one is interested in CHANI, it would be very interesting to get some kind of confirmation whether it is legit or not. The same can be said for the sessions with the C. In my opinion, the way to discover that is to do the work and thereby experience whether things are true or false.

FWIW, I reacall one of my first posts on the forum. Previously, I had been spending a lot of time on A Course In Miracles and a guy called Gary Renard, who claimed to have been interacting with physical manifestations of the Holy Spirit and writing about those interactions in his books. I really wanted to find out whether it was true or not, whether I could believe it or not. Looking back, I now see that I was looking for something to trust blindly as it is requires much less effort than learning by own experiences.

Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Carl on April 13, 2013, 09:38:28 PM

As I understand it the questions for the Cs should help us better prepare ourselves for the coming of the Wave. This could be in terms of what to focus on regarding Work, physical preparation, mental preparation, physical preparation, etc..

While I can see that questions about CHANI can be fascinating I am not sure I see how it contributes to our preparation. If I am missing something, please rephrase the questions about CHANI in a way that is relevant to everybody and helps with our preparation and work.

I understand that if one is interested in CHANI, it would be very interesting to get some kind of confirmation whether it is legit or not. The same can be said for the sessions with the C. In my opinion, the way to discover that is to do the work and thereby experience whether things are true or false.

FWIW, I reacall one of my first posts on the forum. Previously, I had been spending a lot of time on A Course In Miracles and a guy called Gary Renard, who claimed to have been interacting with physical manifestations of the Holy Spirit and writing about those interactions in his books. I really wanted to find out whether it was true or not, whether I could believe it or not. Looking back, I now see that I was looking for something to trust blindly as it is requires much less effort than learning by own experiences.

Agreed. Maybe I'm missing something here but this CHANI stuff just looks like some messages from a 14 year old on a cellphone who has read a few new age books. I don't really see how it relates to the discussion on oil, lamps, and our Work in the future.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: moonfly on April 13, 2013, 09:52:13 PM
No, it's not new age.  Doubtful it's a 14 year old.  As you progress through the text you'll see entity gets around to talking about the payment of karmic debt, this is to be collected, but first we pass through a period of pain in a period of darkness.  To me, yes, I'd like to prepare for that, or understand by using my freewill, I do not agree to pay a karmic debt for that which I did not incur.  That I am not responsible for the debt of psychopaths, if so, seems no one here can circumvent the day of collection. 

Seems even the C's suggest that only through a fear of pain is one motivated to change.  Obviously I am quite new, and do not wish to insult all of the work being done here, distract, create noise.   I've seen the conversation go back and forth on the oil thing that the answers to the what if's might be individual to a person.  So, to me, that is helpful understanding or reinforcing that it is work of the individual to find their own answers. 

I'm not inclined to be a follower, or led blindly by anything.  I just ask some questions as I felt it quite interesting that some of the ideas of the CHANI stuff aligned with C's .   Considering we are watching the skies for fireballs, we have seen the pope step down, Thatcher step down, GHWB ill, Madela ill, sick oceans and dolphins suicide themselves, I'd say, it's an interesting list and a sign that perhaps SOMETHING is getting really close.  No matter where the data comes from. 

Thanks to all, back to the oil.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: hlat on April 13, 2013, 10:40:07 PM
Has anyone asked the Cs what the transcript accuracy rate is since 2001? 

I have some other off topic questions, though I supposed I should hold off on those since they do not seem to be related to preparation.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Leonel on April 13, 2013, 10:49:51 PM
A: See/C you soon!

I also saw the C as Cassiopean's, and also as Comet... Comet see you soon... FWIW.

I thought that it was an interesting remark they made at the end too
[/quote]

Or C of Cataclysm soon   :(

Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Carl on April 13, 2013, 11:05:29 PM
No, it's not new age.  Doubtful it's a 14 year old.  As you progress through the text you'll see entity gets around to talking about the payment of karmic debt, this is to be collected, but first we pass through a period of pain in a period of darkness.  To me, yes, I'd like to prepare for that, or understand by using my freewill, I do not agree to pay a karmic debt for that which I did not incur.  That I am not responsible for the debt of psychopaths, if so, seems no one here can circumvent the day of collection. 

Seems even the C's suggest that only through a fear of pain is one motivated to change.  Obviously I am quite new, and do not wish to insult all of the work being done here, distract, create noise.   I've seen the conversation go back and forth on the oil thing that the answers to the what if's might be individual to a person.  So, to me, that is helpful understanding or reinforcing that it is work of the individual to find their own answers. 

I'm not inclined to be a follower, or led blindly by anything.  I just ask some questions as I felt it quite interesting that some of the ideas of the CHANI stuff aligned with C's .   Considering we are watching the skies for fireballs, we have seen the pope step down, Thatcher step down, GHWB ill, Madela ill, sick oceans and dolphins suicide themselves, I'd say, it's an interesting list and a sign that perhaps SOMETHING is getting really close.  No matter where the data comes from. 

Thanks to all, back to the oil.

Yeah, the comments about the moon were interesting too, given Gurdjieff's view of it. Still, there are a load of red flags that have been mentioned on the previous page, and I can't seem to see the value of this material, given the model of the Universe that we currently have from the C's and all our other sources. We already know pretty well that something is coming, and soon. But we don't know what, and any channeled info could be either true or false.

A lot of disinfo contains info that aligns with what the C's have said. Yet it always seems to come out long after Laura has published her work, and comes combined with a unhealthy dose of twists and nonsense. That's the classic MO of any disinfo.

Just had a look on their forum at this thread as well _http://thechaniproject.com/forum/index.php/topic,832.0.html . If these people are the 'fruits' of the CHANI work, then I wouldn't bother with it at all  :halo:

Has anyone asked the Cs what the transcript accuracy rate is since 2001? 

I have some other off topic questions, though I supposed I should hold off on those since they do not seem to be related to preparation.

I guess asking the very same source what their accuracy rate is kind of self defeating  ;) . The only real way to deal with channeled info is the "inspiration/perspiration" method often mentioned by Laura. That said, looking at the quality of Work that has come from Cassiopaean inspiration, and the people doing the channeling, I expect it is very high.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: hlat on April 13, 2013, 11:26:47 PM

Has anyone asked the Cs what the transcript accuracy rate is since 2001? 

I have some other off topic questions, though I supposed I should hold off on those since they do not seem to be related to preparation.

I guess asking the very same source what their accuracy rate is kind of self defeating  ;) . The only real way to deal with channeled info is the "inspiration/perspiration" method often mentioned by Laura. That said, looking at the quality of Work that has come from Cassiopaean inspiration, and the people doing the channeling, I expect it is very high.

Actually, from reading the Wave series, they have answered their accuracy rate during the time Frank was involved, I think it was around 73%.  Obviously, he was bringing down the accuracy rate.

I think it'd be an interesting quick question and answer to ask the accuracy rate since 2001, with Frank gone.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: moonfly on April 14, 2013, 12:05:46 AM
No, it's not new age.  Doubtful it's a 14 year old.  As you progress through the text you'll see entity gets around to talking about the payment of karmic debt, this is to be collected, but first we pass through a period of pain in a period of darkness.  To me, yes, I'd like to prepare for that, or understand by using my freewill, I do not agree to pay a karmic debt for that which I did not incur.  That I am not responsible for the debt of psychopaths, if so, seems no one here can circumvent the day of collection. 

Seems even the C's suggest that only through a fear of pain is one motivated to change.  Obviously I am quite new, and do not wish to insult all of the work being done here, distract, create noise.   I've seen the conversation go back and forth on the oil thing that the answers to the what if's might be individual to a person.  So, to me, that is helpful understanding or reinforcing that it is work of the individual to find their own answers. 

I'm not inclined to be a follower, or led blindly by anything.  I just ask some questions as I felt it quite interesting that some of the ideas of the CHANI stuff aligned with C's .   Considering we are watching the skies for fireballs, we have seen the pope step down, Thatcher step down, GHWB ill, Madela ill, sick oceans and dolphins suicide themselves, I'd say, it's an interesting list and a sign that perhaps SOMETHING is getting really close.  No matter where the data comes from. 

Thanks to all, back to the oil.

Yeah, the comments about the moon were interesting too, given Gurdjieff's view of it. Still, there are a load of red flags that have been mentioned on the previous page, and I can't seem to see the value of this material, given the model of the Universe that we currently have from the C's and all our other sources. We already know pretty well that something is coming, and soon. But we don't know what, and any channeled info could be either true or false.

A lot of disinfo contains info that aligns with what the C's have said. Yet it always seems to come out long after Laura has published her work, and comes combined with a unhealthy dose of twists and nonsense. That's the classic MO of any disinfo.

Just had a look on their forum at this thread as well _http://thechaniproject.com/forum/index.php/topic,832.0.html . If these people are the 'fruits' of the CHANI work, then I wouldn't bother with it at all  :halo:

Has anyone asked the Cs what the transcript accuracy rate is since 2001? 

I have some other off topic questions, though I supposed I should hold off on those since they do not seem to be related to preparation.

I guess asking the very same source what their accuracy rate is kind of self defeating  ;) . The only real way to deal with channeled info is the "inspiration/perspiration" method often mentioned by Laura. That said, looking at the quality of Work that has come from Cassiopaean inspiration, and the people doing the channeling, I expect it is very high.

The value in the material thus far IMO, is know yourself.  This is not the end.  But your gonna have to pay the price no matter what, seems to point to ponder.  The C's material thanks to Laura, Ark and crew members, bring workbook material to assist in that process.  In fact, likely lead the way afaik. 

To that point, the why of the CHANI project remains on the table.  And does it matter?  Probably not.  Is it legit?  Well, when the question about the work of clif high was asked of the C's, as to whether he was on to something or not, was DEFINITELY.   But does his work matter? 

My take this hour is that yes, it's out there to encourage people to learn as much as they can, know themselves, and apply their skills at the hour called.   

And isn't this partly applicable to having OIL when called? 
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Shijing on April 14, 2013, 12:24:37 AM
I guess asking the very same source what their accuracy rate is kind of self defeating  ;) . The only real way to deal with channeled info is the "inspiration/perspiration" method often mentioned by Laura. That said, looking at the quality of Work that has come from Cassiopaean inspiration, and the people doing the channeling, I expect it is very high.

I think that's basically correct, and the best way to figure out what's accurate and what's not is to work to verify what we can (some things are, of course, going to be outside of our reach).  However, if you're interested in how the Cs described how they calculate accuracy (and how to discern accuracy in general), it's discussed in the session on December 31, 1997.  They say they distinguish three categories: accurate, inaccurate, and 'neuter', the last of which seems to basically be function words that are there for grammatical reasons -- but these are calculated with the 'inaccurate' words, so that will ultimately bring the percentage down even though we wouldn't consider them to be inaccurate in the sense of being false. The example sentence that's asked about is the following:

Quote
‘The first, the Great Pyramid was formed approximately 6,000 of your years ago.’

I've colored the "accurate" words blue, the "inaccurate" word red, and the "neuter" words green -- the ones still in black weren't asked about. Of course, whether or not the information given on calculating accuracy is accurate itself is an open question.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: OromNom on April 14, 2013, 12:37:13 AM
A: See/C you soon!

I also saw the C as Cassiopean's, and also as Comet... Comet see you soon... FWIW.

I thought that it was an interesting remark they made at the end too


Or C of Cataclysm soon   :(

Funny when I read the C's answer the first thing that came to my mind was that past meets the present that meets the future.

C's from the past (as in the time of the session) become C's from the now (our 3d sts humans 'now') that become C's from the future (the ones 'answering the phone'), so cassiopaea group from the future is telling cassiopaea group from the 'now' C U SOON!

perhaps qfg/cassiopaea group is not too far from becoming the C's at the other side of the line so to speak ;)
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: rrraven on April 14, 2013, 02:20:06 AM
back to the oil and lamps....are we putting too much into the esoteric meaning?
maybe the C s meant oil as in fuel  to burn for heat and light even electricity? and oil or fat to burn in our own bodies?

Quote
A: Those who wish to participate in the future should "be prepared" like the wise virgins.

participate in the future   participate in reading(or being present at ) a session?as in having the fuel to run a generator to still have the net when the power goes down
or participate by just being around...we have been told about food shortages  so do they mean stock up on fuel/fat?
one meaning (oil equals fuel) does not mean another more esoteric meaning (oil equals knowledge) is not true as well

also 10 is not really a "biblical" number to me and the 50/50 split between the virgins reminds me of the 50% OP s on the planet
who ,as far as I remember,wont make it to 4D aka wont get into the bridegrooms house
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Maat on April 14, 2013, 02:48:59 AM
Quote
A: Those who wish to participate in the future should "be prepared" like the wise virgins.

What about those who doesn't whish, what does it means ? I'm curious because honestly I'm tired and don't want further more here. Anyway if it means  the death of "mine", it's ok with me, if I can pretend ever had an "I".  If so I'm just happy to have done the little I've done here and "that's all folks"

Am I the one to think about it this way ?
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: boh on April 14, 2013, 02:51:13 AM
bridegroom =      male energy    = spirit----|
virgin (10?) =   female energy    = soul        > marriage----->unified consciousness
lamp           =   knowledge          =mind-----|
                        oil=keep knowing/doing

a simple thought,
what does this mean with the wave,  comet cluster and so on? i dont know  :huh:
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: ajseph 21 on April 14, 2013, 06:47:40 AM
From what I remember from earlier transcripts the points stressed were:
1. knowledge input on daily basis
2. EE to prepare emotionally for the wave
3. read learn meditate
4. be aware and network
5. vigilant diet and protect psychic hygiene ( call a spade a spade i.e. don't lie to yourself)
6.When intending to do use pure faith and mental denial (non anticipation)
7.vigilance against psychic attacks
8.Focus on Being, utilise knowledge and self observe/remembering
9.Pay strict attention to objective reality left and right
10. Have the will of a lion and you won't have the fate of a mouse ( keep in mind we're being stored as food)
11. Seperating emotions based on assumptions from emotions that open you to unlimited possibilities is preparing for the next density
12.Network, Network, Network! Because no 3D entity can stand up to 4D alone.
That's what I remember fwiw.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Laura on April 14, 2013, 09:26:11 AM
From what I remember from earlier transcripts the points stressed were:
1. knowledge input on daily basis
2. EE to prepare emotionally for the wave
3. read learn meditate
4. be aware and network
5. vigilant diet and protect psychic hygiene ( call a spade a spade i.e. don't lie to yourself)
6.When intending to do use pure faith and mental denial (non anticipation)
7.vigilance against psychic attacks
8.Focus on Being, utilise knowledge and self observe/remembering
9.Pay strict attention to objective reality left and right
10. Have the will of a lion and you won't have the fate of a mouse ( keep in mind we're being stored as food)
11. Seperating emotions based on assumptions from emotions that open you to unlimited possibilities is preparing for the next density
12.Network, Network, Network! Because no 3D entity can stand up to 4D alone.
That's what I remember fwiw.

That's pretty much it as far as I can tell.  I think it would be useful to take some of these points and expand on what they might mean in practical terms.

Ya'll may have noticed that sometimes, in the sessions, we start out asking "do we want to ask this or that question" and then we discuss it back and forth a bit, come to the answer and then say "naaah... we figured that out."  In the end, that IS what the Cs suggest we do: figure stuff out.  Only when we really hit a brick wall, ask the question.  As time goes by, we hit fewer and fewer brick walls because we get better and better at networking and figuring out the answers.

I think that all of it comes back to the cognitive science material we've found in our research that describes the erroneous ideas we can all come to due to the programming of System 1/subconscious and the lies we tell ourselves with System 2 (intellect) to support System 1.  Doing the Work WITHIN A NETWORK helps us to untangle those programs, calibrate our intellects, so that we are able, more and more, to master our System 1 horses with an awake and alert System 2 that has stopped participating in the lying. When that happens, a whole new world of awareness begins to open up. 

I think that, most of the time, when people here on the forum start reading and pondering a session and wanting to ask more questions, it is because there is something going on between their System 1 and System 2.  They KNOW the answers, they just don't want to accept them.  Or they KNOW the answers but don't feel quite confident in accepting them.  In some cases, the answers can be multi-level, too, applying to different things in different contexts, such as the Wise and Foolish versions.


Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Windmill knight on April 14, 2013, 12:35:00 PM


There is quite a lot in the chani material that aligns with C's it seems to me (so far).  Going within, using our freewill.  In fact, Chani echos the wise words of Anarts response as well.  That was awesome Anart!

Also Mr.85, notice that the CHANI dates have also aligned with the Webbot dates or tipping dates, and many of them came and went, leaving confusion about what it was the data was actually pointing to.   So the date slippage by both Chani and Webbot, is curious and goes to the consideration that time has been messed with.

Or maybe the CHANI "source" reads this forum and the webbot?
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: moonfly on April 14, 2013, 03:14:37 PM


There is quite a lot in the chani material that aligns with C's it seems to me (so far).  Going within, using our freewill.  In fact, Chani echos the wise words of Anarts response as well.  That was awesome Anart!

Also Mr.85, notice that the CHANI dates have also aligned with the Webbot dates or tipping dates, and many of them came and went, leaving confusion about what it was the data was actually pointing to.   So the date slippage by both Chani and Webbot, is curious and goes to the consideration that time has been messed with.

Or maybe the CHANI "source" reads this forum and the webbot?

I don't understand your response. 

One of my questions about the convergence of points from 'allegedly' different source, was about whether our time/space had been messed with.   I am not trying to take anything away from the C's, just found it interesting that other sources aligned with it.  Nothing foul going on here. 

Another of my questions has to do with karmic debt and I have not yet done all the reading here before I ask it here.  I am curious sure.  But so far it seems the conversation or discussion needs to return only that which is in the transcripts. 

Got it. 

However I will say that the outside sources, whether they are legitimate or not may actually be helping to wake people up even in our late hour.  If we can reach 35% awareness, wouldn't that be great? 

Thanks for your response.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: anart on April 14, 2013, 03:35:57 PM
  If we can reach 35% awareness, wouldn't that be great? 


That would depend on the definition of awareness.  Have you read the Wave Series in its entirety, moonfly?
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: moonfly on April 14, 2013, 04:09:41 PM
  If we can reach 35% awareness, wouldn't that be great? 


That would depend on the definition of awareness.  Have you read the Wave Series in its entirety, moonfly?

Good point.  I am referring to the 6% who are destroying the other 94% more specifically, but clearly there are many many levels of awareness and the more you dig in the more you discover your own individual quirks, areas to improve, release retrain.  Love it. 

As for the Wave series, no, I've only gotten in two books at this point.  I'm about 5 chapters in the Adventures of Cassiopaea, the struggle with Frank, some older transcripts as well.  I've listened to about 6 of Laura's interviews, and some EE dietary reading.   So I am working on the homework.  :) 

Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Windmill knight on April 14, 2013, 05:00:51 PM


There is quite a lot in the chani material that aligns with C's it seems to me (so far).  Going within, using our freewill.  In fact, Chani echos the wise words of Anarts response as well.  That was awesome Anart!

Also Mr.85, notice that the CHANI dates have also aligned with the Webbot dates or tipping dates, and many of them came and went, leaving confusion about what it was the data was actually pointing to.   So the date slippage by both Chani and Webbot, is curious and goes to the consideration that time has been messed with.

Or maybe the CHANI "source" reads this forum and the webbot?

I don't understand your response. 


Sorry. I meant that CHANI could be something other than a channeled source, and the author could create their predictions and material by taking ideas from other sources on the web, such as this forum or Cliff's webbot. I hear that the CHANI stuff was 'channeled' years back and published in 2011. But was it really? Did anyone actually read it back in 2011, and were the predictions published before the webbot's? Or were we just told that was the case?
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: moonfly on April 14, 2013, 07:13:22 PM


There is quite a lot in the chani material that aligns with C's it seems to me (so far).  Going within, using our freewill.  In fact, Chani echos the wise words of Anarts response as well.  That was awesome Anart!

Also Mr.85, notice that the CHANI dates have also aligned with the Webbot dates or tipping dates, and many of them came and went, leaving confusion about what it was the data was actually pointing to.   So the date slippage by both Chani and Webbot, is curious and goes to the consideration that time has been messed with.

Or maybe the CHANI "source" reads this forum and the webbot?

I don't understand your response. 


Sorry. I meant that CHANI could be something other than a channeled source, and the author could create their predictions and material by taking ideas from other sources on the web, such as this forum or Cliff's webbot. I hear that the CHANI stuff was 'channeled' years back and published in 2011. But was it really? Did anyone actually read it back in 2011, and were the predictions published before the webbot's? Or were we just told that was the case?

I'd never seen the CHANI stuff till a week ago. The bot project is based on linguistics picked up on the net.  That project has been going on a little over 10 years.  You can of course go and read the intro on the CHANI thing and see when then the data was collected..etc., but I've already posted that stuff here, so wont repeat it.  Point is not if they picked it up from Cassiopeans.  Seems that clif high dismisses all channeled stuff outright I think, and CHANI predictions carried more date and data specifics, just no year attached to it.  So maybe CHANI picked up something that was channeled by the C's to Laura and combed from the written scripts?  I don't have any idea at all. 

It just seems to me that both of those other projects, carry or encourage spiritual preparation.  This is where the C material and this experiment shines.  So, for me, it has brought much together that align in many ways that does not take away from any one elses work or effort.  That said, it sounds to me and appears that we are reaching the end of this age.  Not the end of time.  The events predicted are manifesting, no matter who said them.

Thanks, and have a great day!

Title: Any New Sessions Yet?
Post by: Alkhemist on April 14, 2013, 07:48:12 PM
I sincerely tried to find an answer to this by searching, so please bear with me.   :/

Are there any new transcripts beyond March 2013? I'm really curious about the uptick in animal deaths. I'm also wondering if the C's would be willing to give more info on the upcoming Wave?

(I did find the page with all the past transcripts up to March 2013, but wasn't sure if that was regularly updated.)

Thanks!
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Aeneas on April 14, 2013, 09:07:15 PM

Sorry. I meant that CHANI could be something other than a channeled source, and the author could create their predictions and material by taking ideas from other sources on the web, such as this forum or Cliff's webbot. I hear that the CHANI stuff was 'channeled' years back and published in 2011. But was it really? Did anyone actually read it back in 2011, and were the predictions published before the webbot's? Or were we just told that was the case?

I'd never seen the CHANI stuff till a week ago. The bot project is based on linguistics picked up on the net.  That project has been going on a little over 10 years.  You can of course go and read the intro on the CHANI thing and see when then the data was collected..etc., but I've already posted that stuff here, so wont repeat it.  Point is not if they picked it up from Cassiopeans.  Seems that clif high dismisses all channeled stuff outright I think, and CHANI predictions carried more date and data specifics, just no year attached to it.  So maybe CHANI picked up something that was channeled by the C's to Laura and combed from the written scripts?  I don't have any idea at all. 



Moonfly, something has been bothering me and it could just be me. You have made 27 post, all of them in this thread, with the first post on the 7th of April and then with the second post on the 10th after which the floodgates much have given way  ;) Yet no introduction. In 16+ post have you mentioned about CHANI and keep harping on about it, though you allegedly only saw their site one week ago according to what you wrote on the 11th of April (your 3rd post):



In just the last few days I have stumbled into the CHANI project, and it is very interesting.
 

Windmill Knight made a valid point namely that this garbled socalled channelling could very well be just someone (even you perhaps) who has read a little of the C's and some from the Cliff webbot project and then made up a little site  with a concoction of predictions to gather a little following. (I would say that to predict that a lot of old leaders are going to die before May and not specifying the year will have a pretty good success rate as time goes by.)  And to increase the following what better way than to hook up with a genuine site that has a big following and then to peddle this other site. In other words fishing for new followers, while creating noise here. It has happened before! This could be what you are up to or you could be genuine about your search, but just fumbling about a bit.

Anart asked you if you had read the whole of the wave series to which you answered:


As for the Wave series, no, I've only gotten in two books at this point.  I'm about 5 chapters in the Adventures of Cassiopaea, the struggle with Frank, some older transcripts as well.  I've listened to about 6 of Laura's interviews, and some EE dietary reading.   So I am working on the homework.  :)

And yet this is what you wrote in your first post:


I've spent hours here just barely scratching the surface of many posts and threads, a few chapters of Wave, some posts on the comets of course, ponerology, OP's, soulless humans, some RV stuff, psychopaths, (several of the books I have read I see are on your recommended reading list, and that was validating!) ~~~ and~~~ many of the C's transcripts, ...



So is the true answer more like a few pages/chapters of the Wave and a bit here and there? As you have had time to write 26 post in between that initial post and probably have been following the CHANI site and their forum, then I doubt the amount read would have changed that much. There is nothing wrong in not having read much here as one has to make a start some time. It takes time to read and reflect on new material, but being new to any site, then it is good to read and listen some more instead of what appears to be a hijacking of a thread and peddling some tiresome predictions from another site.

I could well be mistaken, in which case I suggest that you write an intro in the newbie section and take your time in familiarizing yourself with the material available here.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Silveryblue on April 14, 2013, 09:26:11 PM
From what I remember from earlier transcripts the points stressed were:
1. knowledge input on daily basis
2. EE to prepare emotionally for the wave
3. read learn meditate
4. be aware and network
5. vigilant diet and protect psychic hygiene ( call a spade a spade i.e. don't lie to yourself)
6.When intending to do use pure faith and mental denial (non anticipation)
7.vigilance against psychic attacks
8.Focus on Being, utilise knowledge and self observe/remembering
9.Pay strict attention to objective reality left and right
10. Have the will of a lion and you won't have the fate of a mouse ( keep in mind we're being stored as food)
11. Seperating emotions based on assumptions from emotions that open you to unlimited possibilities is preparing for the next density
12.Network, Network, Network! Because no 3D entity can stand up to 4D alone.
That's what I remember fwiw.

That's pretty much it as far as I can tell.  I think it would be useful to take some of these points and expand on what they might mean in practical terms.

Ya'll may have noticed that sometimes, in the sessions, we start out asking "do we want to ask this or that question" and then we discuss it back and forth a bit, come to the answer and then say "naaah... we figured that out."  In the end, that IS what the Cs suggest we do: figure stuff out.  Only when we really hit a brick wall, ask the question.  As time goes by, we hit fewer and fewer brick walls because we get better and better at networking and figuring out the answers.

I think that all of it comes back to the cognitive science material we've found in our research that describes the erroneous ideas we can all come to due to the programming of System 1/subconscious and the lies we tell ourselves with System 2 (intellect) to support System 1.  Doing the Work WITHIN A NETWORK helps us to untangle those programs, calibrate our intellects, so that we are able, more and more, to master our System 1 horses with an awake and alert System 2 that has stopped participating in the lying. When that happens, a whole new world of awareness begins to open up. 

I think that, most of the time, when people here on the forum start reading and pondering a session and wanting to ask more questions, it is because there is something going on between their System 1 and System 2.  They KNOW the answers, they just don't want to accept them.  Or they KNOW the answers but don't feel quite confident in accepting them.  In some cases, the answers can be multi-level, too, applying to different things in different contexts, such as the Wise and Foolish versions.

I have been scratching to see how to prepare also. It suddenly hit me that I have been misdirected by the antiquity of some of the references eg wise & foolish virgins didn't seem to have much relevance to my life today.
I just realised it does.  :-[

For weeks I have had that nagging feeling like something left undone, left the iron on at home kind of feeling.
I realise that there are several things I have put off that need to be done & could absolutely assist my physical/financial preparation.
Undone tax returns - 4 years worth that would net me thousands due to changes of circumstances.
House weathertightness repairs that could be simply accomplished NOW, not when they become a nuisance or a hazard (winter approaching here)

So I discover that I am a foolish virgin :cry:. I know what needs to be done & how to do it, but I have put off the Doing!.

I think having everything ship shape will help reduce the clutter in my mind also - Less "overdue" alarms going off!
I am certain that when I start to progress some of these things, more will pop up that need attention.

 Hope this helps anyone else who is in the same position FWIW
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: moonfly on April 14, 2013, 09:30:34 PM

Sorry. I meant that CHANI could be something other than a channeled source, and the author could create their predictions and material by taking ideas from other sources on the web, such as this forum or Cliff's webbot. I hear that the CHANI stuff was 'channeled' years back and published in 2011. But was it really? Did anyone actually read it back in 2011, and were the predictions published before the webbot's? Or were we just told that was the case?

I'd never seen the CHANI stuff till a week ago. The bot project is based on linguistics picked up on the net.  That project has been going on a little over 10 years.  You can of course go and read the intro on the CHANI thing and see when then the data was collected..etc., but I've already posted that stuff here, so wont repeat it.  Point is not if they picked it up from Cassiopeans.  Seems that clif high dismisses all channeled stuff outright I think, and CHANI predictions carried more date and data specifics, just no year attached to it.  So maybe CHANI picked up something that was channeled by the C's to Laura and combed from the written scripts?  I don't have any idea at all. 



Moonfly, something has been bothering me and it could just be me. You have made 27 post, all of them in this thread, with the first post on the 7th of April and then with the second post on the 10th after which the floodgates much have given way  ;) Yet no introduction. In 16+ post have you mentioned about CHANI and keep harping on about it, though you allegedly only saw their site one week ago according to what you wrote on the 11th of April (your 3rd post):



In just the last few days I have stumbled into the CHANI project, and it is very interesting.
 

Windmill Knight made a valid point namely that this garbled socalled channelling could very well be just someone (even you perhaps) who has read a little of the C's and some from the Cliff webbot project and then made up a little site  with a concoction of predictions to gather a little following. (I would say that to predict that a lot of old leaders are going to die before May and not specifying the year will have a pretty good success rate as time goes by.)  And to increase the following what better way than to hook up with a genuine site that has a big following and then to peddle this other site. In other words fishing for new followers, while creating noise here. It has happened before! This could be what you are up to or you could be genuine about your search, but just fumbling about a bit.

Anart asked you if you had read the whole of the wave series to which you answered:


As for the Wave series, no, I've only gotten in two books at this point.  I'm about 5 chapters in the Adventures of Cassiopaea, the struggle with Frank, some older transcripts as well.  I've listened to about 6 of Laura's interviews, and some EE dietary reading.   So I am working on the homework.  :)

And yet this is what you wrote in your first post:


I've spent hours here just barely scratching the surface of many posts and threads, a few chapters of Wave, some posts on the comets of course, ponerology, OP's, soulless humans, some RV stuff, psychopaths, (several of the books I have read I see are on your recommended reading list, and that was validating!) ~~~ and~~~ many of the C's transcripts, ...



So is the true answer more like a few pages/chapters of the Wave and a bit here and there? As you have had time to write 26 post in between that initial post and probably have been following the CHANI site and their forum, then I doubt the amount read would have changed that much. There is nothing wrong in not having read much here as one has to make a start some time. It takes time to read and reflect on new material, but being new to any site, then it is good to read and listen some more instead of what appears to be a hijacking of a thread and peddling some tiresome predictions from another site.

I could well be mistaken, in which case I suggest that you write an intro in the newbie section and take your time in familiarizing yourself with the material available here.

Hi there.

Well first I do read a lot in many places and when I find something interesting I tend to try and follow it a ways to see if it's worth the time.  So, I have bounced around from area to area, but I have read and viewed what I said I did.  I didn't make up Chani, and if you noticed in the thread, I was trying to clarify the same thing many times, at least I tried to.  I didn't make up a website.  Good heavens.  I was just trying to get a read on what you guys thing CHANI is, since some of the information aligned.  As did webbots.  I read the threads about clif high, and it sounds like you guys thing he may be disinfo as well.  So accusations made here that those two projects borrow from here, may have legs, I don't know, but I was just trying to respond to questions that I'd already addressed. 

Okay?

Now, no, I haven't read it all, and have bumped into numerous posts to newbies about posting about themselves and reading the entire wave series.  I understand your request.  If you noticed I did ask if I could ask a question about the CHANI thing at the beginning, as I didn't want to break house rules here.  Answer yes.  Reason I asked about CHANI, is that I bumped into it elsewhere, after I started reading this particular session and found some points in common I thought were interesting and then wanted to know what you guys thought of it, or if you had heard of it.  I'm darn sorry to have caused so much contention. 

When you guys heard it was posted at Nexus, it didn't seem to me much time was spent actually reading the CHANI text, as it was dismissed out of hand as being disinfo.  Fine, my question was about the text itself, since it aligned with much of C's.  I thought it was interesting... that's all.  Now I've spent too much time defending something here and now feeling accused of mischief.  Read my posts, see who I was responding to. 

As for getting back to the virgins and the oil, to me, the work needed to unravel the mass of disinfo and perhaps inner work, is apparently to this project, better suited when you network.  So I asked a question and now sorry I did.  Maybe the answer to that is in the Wave chapters.  I hope so. 

I have been reading, I said so.
Both the wave and the adventures.  And listened to several 6 or more now of Laura's vids. 
Also NUMEROUS articles on pathology, psychopaths and ponerolgy, of which I am deeply interested having survived a psychopath myself.  So, here I see there a forum to talk about it too, so I've read through a lot of that, shaking my head up and down, feeling validated. 

I guess it would have been nice if someone said, hey, do not speak until you have finished the entire WAVE series.  You haven't earned the right.  That would've been crystal clear.   I still would've gone about my reading my way, and then settled in on the WAVE totally before posting anything. 

But thanks for clearing it up.  And more.

Sorry for causing you deep concern.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Ariadna on April 14, 2013, 09:46:15 PM
From what I remember from earlier transcripts the points stressed were:
1. knowledge input on daily basis
2. EE to prepare emotionally for the wave
3. read learn meditate
4. be aware and network
5. vigilant diet and protect psychic hygiene ( call a spade a spade i.e. don't lie to yourself)
6.When intending to do use pure faith and mental denial (non anticipation)
7.vigilance against psychic attacks
8.Focus on Being, utilise knowledge and self observe/remembering
9.Pay strict attention to objective reality left and right
10. Have the will of a lion and you won't have the fate of a mouse ( keep in mind we're being stored as food)
11. Seperating emotions based on assumptions from emotions that open you to unlimited possibilities is preparing for the next density
12.Network, Network, Network! Because no 3D entity can stand up to 4D alone.
That's what I remember fwiw.

That's pretty much it as far as I can tell.  I think it would be useful to take some of these points and expand on what they might mean in practical terms.

Ya'll may have noticed that sometimes, in the sessions, we start out asking "do we want to ask this or that question" and then we discuss it back and forth a bit, come to the answer and then say "naaah... we figured that out."  In the end, that IS what the Cs suggest we do: figure stuff out.  Only when we really hit a brick wall, ask the question.  As time goes by, we hit fewer and fewer brick walls because we get better and better at networking and figuring out the answers.

I think that all of it comes back to the cognitive science material we've found in our research that describes the erroneous ideas we can all come to due to the programming of System 1/subconscious and the lies we tell ourselves with System 2 (intellect) to support System 1.  Doing the Work WITHIN A NETWORK helps us to untangle those programs, calibrate our intellects, so that we are able, more and more, to master our System 1 horses with an awake and alert System 2 that has stopped participating in the lying. When that happens, a whole new world of awareness begins to open up. 

I think that, most of the time, when people here on the forum start reading and pondering a session and wanting to ask more questions, it is because there is something going on between their System 1 and System 2.  They KNOW the answers, they just don't want to accept them.  Or they KNOW the answers but don't feel quite confident in accepting them.  In some cases, the answers can be multi-level, too, applying to different things in different contexts, such as the Wise and Foolish versions.

Hello, I adhere to the input asjeph 21. I think we focus on the most important issue at hand: our inner work and personal. I think it is essential, at least for me, too, "it would be useful to take some of These points and expand on what They Might mean in practical terms" in the words of Laura. Points asjeph 5,7,8,9,11 and 12 are the most interesting to me, and may include others. I will be grateful for any input, advice or practical suggestion. I'm trying to work, put the focus on self-observation, objectivity, identify psychic attacks (from outside or inside of me), educate my mind ...
There is an issue that is being discussed "CHANI sourses". It may be a way to divert attention from other important points? It could be a move by COINTELPRO? It is also possible that I missed something important because of the language barrier (my native language is Spanish) and is saying nonsense ... I apologize if so.
Thanks
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: moonfly on April 14, 2013, 09:56:32 PM
From what I remember from earlier transcripts the points stressed were:
1. knowledge input on daily basis
2. EE to prepare emotionally for the wave
3. read learn meditate
4. be aware and network
5. vigilant diet and protect psychic hygiene ( call a spade a spade i.e. don't lie to yourself)
6.When intending to do use pure faith and mental denial (non anticipation)
7.vigilance against psychic attacks
8.Focus on Being, utilise knowledge and self observe/remembering
9.Pay strict attention to objective reality left and right
10. Have the will of a lion and you won't have the fate of a mouse ( keep in mind we're being stored as food)
11. Seperating emotions based on assumptions from emotions that open you to unlimited possibilities is preparing for the next density
12.Network, Network, Network! Because no 3D entity can stand up to 4D alone.
That's what I remember fwiw.

That's pretty much it as far as I can tell.  I think it would be useful to take some of these points and expand on what they might mean in practical terms.

Ya'll may have noticed that sometimes, in the sessions, we start out asking "do we want to ask this or that question" and then we discuss it back and forth a bit, come to the answer and then say "naaah... we figured that out."  In the end, that IS what the Cs suggest we do: figure stuff out.  Only when we really hit a brick wall, ask the question.  As time goes by, we hit fewer and fewer brick walls because we get better and better at networking and figuring out the answers.

I think that all of it comes back to the cognitive science material we've found in our research that describes the erroneous ideas we can all come to due to the programming of System 1/subconscious and the lies we tell ourselves with System 2 (intellect) to support System 1.  Doing the Work WITHIN A NETWORK helps us to untangle those programs, calibrate our intellects, so that we are able, more and more, to master our System 1 horses with an awake and alert System 2 that has stopped participating in the lying. When that happens, a whole new world of awareness begins to open up. 

I think that, most of the time, when people here on the forum start reading and pondering a session and wanting to ask more questions, it is because there is something going on between their System 1 and System 2.  They KNOW the answers, they just don't want to accept them.  Or they KNOW the answers but don't feel quite confident in accepting them.  In some cases, the answers can be multi-level, too, applying to different things in different contexts, such as the Wise and Foolish versions.

Hello, I adhere to the input asjeph 21. I think we focus on the most important issue at hand: our inner work and personal. I think it is essential, at least for me, too, "it would be useful to take some of These points and expand on what They Might mean in practical terms" in the words of Laura. Points asjeph 5,7,8,9,11 and 12 are the most interesting to me, and may include others. I will be grateful for any input, advice or practical suggestion. I'm trying to work, put the focus on self-observation, objectivity, identify psychic attacks (from outside or inside of me), educate my mind ...
There is an issue that is being discussed "CHANI sourses". It may be a way to divert attention from other important points? It could be a move by COINTELPRO? It is also possible that I missed something important because of the language barrier (my native language is Spanish) and is saying nonsense ... I apologize if so.
Thanks

Hi, I think I'm missing something here too. 

Thanks.  Back to reading, and will try not to post till all homework is complete. 

Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Leonel on April 15, 2013, 12:21:05 AM
I´d like to ask about the children, how are they going to face transition? Are they self aware? in STO frecuency?

But then I remembered this from Matew 18:3


And he said: "Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.


 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


Problem solved
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Yozilla on April 15, 2013, 01:34:11 AM
There is an interesting 'instruction' from C's in this session:

Session Date 12 December 2010

Q: (L) I’ve been thinking that it might soon be time for us to cease all of our extreme activities, and just run the forum in a careful way. It doesn’t seem that anything is going to change anything very much. Is that useful thought to follow?

A: Not yet, but yes eventually. It will be time to devote yourselves to helping those who have made the choice to be ready for the changes.


It seems that this forum will be the last stronghold for "oil distribution"... As oil is nowadays used for producing power/energy (like fats?), maybe in 4th density, in some way, this network - with it's positive charge (that is how i now react after entering this pages) will be a main source of "psychic energies" (power supply?) for those of STO polarity. Maybe a lamp symbolizes STO candidacy and oil could be all that was invested in reaching that goal: truth seeking, learning, networking, suffering - even all that staggering? And if course when the Last moment comes you cannot invest in all that at once...

Now has something came to me-mind: Maybe those of STO preferences will gain an aura :halo: (lamp!) - like those saints on paintings in churches - which could be "powered" with light/knowledge/energy "beamed down" through connections with higher chakras. Some say that everybody has an aura, but maybe without opened way to higher reality/planes it cannot emit light - there is no oil in lamp. And those are sleeping people/widows who think that they know "all" - with their closed minds; but WISE widows keep theirs mind open/prepared for knowledge upload cause they are aware that there could be somthing more beyond "all" that...

And Ms Laura could have a Large Aura (L.aura) due to her accumulated oil!!!!

Yozilla D'monster
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: monotonic on April 15, 2013, 01:44:17 AM
Moonfly, it seems when you did not get the response you wanted you simply kept repeating the question. Just what is it about the answers you couldn't accept? It seems you want us to divert our attention because you think we should. We think otherwise. Maybe you could read the material on this site, then analyze the CHANI material with your own time and resources, and then it would be the same as if we did it for you?

 
I guess it would have been nice if someone said, hey, do not speak until you have finished the entire WAVE series.  You haven't earned the right.  That would've been crystal clear.   I still would've gone about my reading my way, and then settled in on the WAVE totally before posting anything. 

It's not a problem to continue networking while you read the material, but if you ask a question and don't accept the answer, don't expect the answer to change. It's better to ask to clarify the answer.

This is why the Work is so important. So we don't waste vital energies on pointless things.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: monotonic on April 15, 2013, 01:46:54 AM
I just realized, when one reads a book it may take a while to digest and as time goes on you'll remember different parts of the book that did not stand out before. Maybe this is directly related to the oil in the lamp? IE, how much information you have ready to transform into knowledge.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: moonfly on April 15, 2013, 04:05:32 AM
Moonfly, it seems when you did not get the response you wanted you simply kept repeating the question. Just what is it about the answers you couldn't accept? It seems you want us to divert our attention because you think we should. We think otherwise. Maybe you could read the material on this site, then analyze the CHANI material with your own time and resources, and then it would be the same as if we did it for you?

 
I guess it would have been nice if someone said, hey, do not speak until you have finished the entire WAVE series.  You haven't earned the right.  That would've been crystal clear.   I still would've gone about my reading my way, and then settled in on the WAVE totally before posting anything. 

It's not a problem to continue networking while you read the material, but if you ask a question and don't accept the answer, don't expect the answer to change. It's better to ask to clarify the answer.

This is why the Work is so important. So we don't waste vital energies on pointless things.
I never saw an answer and let it go , until I got another question from a mod.  So back to the oil.  Thank you.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: ajseph 21 on April 15, 2013, 05:03:54 AM
I've searched for the ten virgins parables and found some clues. First virgin in hebrew means almah or a young women past puberty who is not yet married but ready for it. Second a point saying that the virgins were invited to the marriage but they weren't the bride who isn't mentioned. Third oil means meshach in hebrew who was a man who sought the true God and with two others were thrown into the fire by Nebechanezer ( oil fire ) but survived because an angel helped them. Fourth the lamp was more like a torch and in hebrew there is the ner tamid which translates as eternal light/flame symbolizing the presence of God. Now from Hericlitus we can recognize the artisan fire, the everlasting fire of creation ( ner tamid =artisan fire= Cosmic mind?) Getting in tune with the cosmic mind and in sync with the network seems to be key because we're stronger as a unit than mere fragmented pieces.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: ajseph 21 on April 15, 2013, 05:07:32 AM
One last thing from Corinthians: There is a difference between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit : but she that is married careth for the things of the world, how she may please her husband. Maybe talking about our false personality vs our true self? Lord can be translated as master or our soul in 4th way terms.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: monotonic on April 15, 2013, 04:22:29 PM
Also, if science is going to be "cast out", shouldn't we prepare for that also? I think a good question would have to do with what takes place after that.

Also, if our technology ceases to function, we will no longer be able to use it to study physics. If this happens we must have a way to proceed. How do we prepare for this?
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Ariadna on April 15, 2013, 04:38:23 PM
I just wonder if the parable of the virgins will be related to the two races on earth. That race, Adamic, endowed with the ability to connect with the upper levels (oil lamps), pre-Adamic race without ability to connect with higher planes, or have not been developed as candidates STO. In the latter case they would have to reincarnate to or stay in 3D, where "could buy their oil." Nobody can give your oil "conscincia-awakening" to another, each must buy "their oil". :)

And how will be the ground, or the 4D environment?, plants?, animals?, Which is the livelihood of 4D beings, which will be there our food? ... I don´t remember reading about that ... that's like asking what the 4D is...
Thanks
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Yozilla on April 15, 2013, 05:19:32 PM
....
Hm, it is also interesting (to me) similarity of widows - windows (portals?) ... if windows are closed, no fresh air (new knowledge) can't enter - and air inside is stagnant - so it is wise to open windows for some fresh air/draft...  :wow: :-[

Yozilla D'monster

 Uh i have mistaken virgins for widows in my previous post so i apologise for that  :oops: ...

So please do forget the above paragraph from my previous post  :-[ ... or maybe moderators could delete the same ... luckily this post is at the bottom/end of previous page :rolleyes:

As usual..

Yozilla D'monster

Mod's note: Done as requested.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: monotonic on April 15, 2013, 05:39:15 PM
Yozilla - how did you mix up virgins and windows? That sounds funny!

Often when I'm learning or reading, especially on this forum, I feel energized and don't feel hungry. It reminds me of how, if I recall correctly, in 4D you feed on impressions (?). This is how I imagine food in 4D will be like. Just like when I stop reading and learning I tend to fall into linear thinking and 3D illusions and food anxiety, I think in 4D one will need to continually acquire understanding.

I think we need to round up the questions and update the list. Why don't y'all repost your questions since the last listing so we don't miss any? Here are mine. The first section is questions relating to potential dangerous future situations. The second section are pertinent but not necessarily as dire. Both sections are ordered with the most helpful questions first.

Could you elaborate on what it means to prepare?
In what ways do we NOT need to prepare?
What will be the nature of our unique future experiences and how does this relate to preparation?
If we are cut off from the network, how do we know how to reestablish contact and when? Will there be non-physical communication and if so, what are the prerequisites?
Will we need to use metaphysical knowledge in the future?
We know that higher density STO are limited in their assistance because of free will, but that this situation will change eventually. Could this be in the immediate future or no?

What happens after science is "cast out"? How do we prepare for it?
if our technology ceases to function, we will no longer be able to use it to study physics. If this happens we must have a way to proceed. How do we prepare for this?
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Yozilla on April 15, 2013, 06:40:18 PM
Yozilla - how did you mix up virgins and windows? That sounds funny!

Well, English is not my first language - one of possible reasons...Both words are starting with v/w - could be another. I realized my mistake only later - after turning off computer, already in bed after saying POTS in English - i've noticed that i ponder about C's and this forum only in English (Monstrous - of course) so after a while i remembered virgins - and start laughing :-[...

Often when I'm learning or reading, especially on this forum, I feel energized and don't feel hungry...


Maybe something similar happened to me: That post wasn't intended to be nothing more than quote plus some short comment... Than seemed to trigger some perspectives on energy in second paragraph, and just moment before concluding post in 2nd attempt, further ideas about auras keep pouring out ...ether?

And interestingly i was hesitating about adding that final words about widows... :thdown:

Y...

Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Jones on April 16, 2013, 03:46:25 AM
This question has come to mind:

Were those people who were accused of being witches and burnt at the stake for vampirism or blood sucking treating people with/for Hemochromotisis?
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Laura on April 16, 2013, 08:46:05 AM
Yozilla - how did you mix up virgins and windows? That sounds funny!

Often when I'm learning or reading, especially on this forum, I feel energized and don't feel hungry. It reminds me of how, if I recall correctly, in 4D you feed on impressions (?). This is how I imagine food in 4D will be like. Just like when I stop reading and learning I tend to fall into linear thinking and 3D illusions and food anxiety, I think in 4D one will need to continually acquire understanding.

I think we need to round up the questions and update the list. Why don't y'all repost your questions since the last listing so we don't miss any? Here are mine. The first section is questions relating to potential dangerous future situations. The second section are pertinent but not necessarily as dire. Both sections are ordered with the most helpful questions first.

Could you elaborate on what it means to prepare?
In what ways do we NOT need to prepare?
What will be the nature of our unique future experiences and how does this relate to preparation?
If we are cut off from the network, how do we know how to reestablish contact and when? Will there be non-physical communication and if so, what are the prerequisites?
Will we need to use metaphysical knowledge in the future?
We know that higher density STO are limited in their assistance because of free will, but that this situation will change eventually. Could this be in the immediate future or no?

What happens after science is "cast out"? How do we prepare for it?
if our technology ceases to function, we will no longer be able to use it to study physics. If this happens we must have a way to proceed. How do we prepare for this?

I would also like for ya'll to try to imagine the answers you will get to a particular question.  Sometimes that helps to reframe it.  There are a lot of assumptions in the above questions.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Anthony on April 16, 2013, 09:01:47 AM
I always thought that the C's had a sort of Tao approach as in letting things take their course.
So perhaps worrying to much will hinder rather than help.
I don't know if it was mentioned but be prepared is in quotation marks.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: ajseph 21 on April 16, 2013, 08:55:14 PM
In thinking about preparing I've thought of what you said Laura about thinking about practical ways. Maybe if we take it from each part of our life we can come up with a whole solution.
1. knowledge input on daily basis: I remember this from a transcript speaking about protection from 4D Sts. This is also related to building a magnetic centre and discerning between A and B influences or everyday petty mundane concerns vs Reality and esoteric work. An idle mind is the devil's playground could apply here.
2. EE to prepare emotionally for the wave: The wave will bring a hyperkinetic sensate and all feelings will be felt. A good example would be LSD ( which produces an opening into 4D). Reading the descriptions of these trips may give you some insight as some have people have been traumatized by their own repressed negative emotions. I'm sure the wave is much more potent as your soul could be smashed by it! EE is essential and in esoteric work the principle aim is development of the emotional centre.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: ajseph 21 on April 16, 2013, 09:23:20 PM
3. read learn meditate: this contains the first two points with a third i.e learn. Meditation heals the soul and emotions (EE), reading is knowledge input and learning is connected to being. Now being is the capacity to assimilate knowledge ( Gnosis vol 1) and is also paired with memory and who you truly are. If you continue to work though buffers, rationalizations, prejudices and lies than your level of being is stopped in its growth. It's most likely the emotional centre that will suffer from these psychological defects. So lies to the self must be stopped immediately. The books dealing with narcissism and thinking fast and slow can help reveal these issues.
4. be aware and network: aware means having or showing realization,perception, or knowledge and in archaic terms means being watchful and wary. Do you know that we're in prison? What is going on in the world? Are you watching and reading the Signs and changes? Sott can keep you up to speed on these things.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: ajseph 21 on April 16, 2013, 09:46:01 PM
4.cont. The network is also constantly evolving with time. We simply cannot work alone and this is a community geared towards soul growth. Read the principles, share insights, experience, articles, and help uplift/build others. You will also begin to see yourself though mirrors and any errors you have will be revealed to you. The network is a charity in the true sense of the word i.e love feast (love is light is knowledge) It builds up you and others. And giving knowledge when asked and networking is STO.
5. vigilant diet and protect psychic hygiene ( call a spade a spade i.e. don't lie to yourself) First one lie we have dealt with is the healthy diet myth. Eat plenty of fruits and veggies blah blah no fats low meat. Ketogenic and paleo diets are discussed broadly here in the diet and health section. Remember to keep the body healthy and vigorous as well as exercise if you are able. Don't obsess! You can't stop all toxins but you can take preventative measures with your diet. Remember pavlov's dogs.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: ajseph 21 on April 16, 2013, 10:18:01 PM
5: while you will want to have preferably a high fat low carb diet, the real goal is to continue the Work and that can be hindered if your psychic hygiene isn't clean. Are you listening to negative music, t.v, or in general surrounding yourself with negativity WITHOUT calling it negative? That's lying to yourself. Call it what it is!
6.When intending to do use pure faith and mental denial (non anticipation) First what is faith? A good description is from Sufi path of knowledge: the basic meaning is to be or feel safe and secure concerning your knowledge of God i.e total existence and to commit onself to put this into practice. It is belief, speaking, and doing from the heart ( higher emotional center). It is striving to be your true self and acting according to the Cosmic MInd living within us. Mental denial could be realising your inevitable death. Why anticipate anything? Focus on today be aware today. Ghandi said: Live as if you're going to die tomorrow and learn as if you're going to live forever.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: ajseph 21 on April 16, 2013, 10:44:51 PM
7.vigilance against psychic attacks: psyche is Soul in greek and from the transcipts the Soul is the subconscious mind. Now think of how many ways we are affected subconsciously from literally everything. A influences are a major culprit as well 4D sts ( they can tap our emotions, place suicidal thoughts etc) Knowlege protects and self knowledge is key here. Don't underestimate the opposition they can work through friends family and strangers ( think matrix ). Watch what you say and do to avoid the general law assault. Research Strategic enclosure. SunTzu quote:If you know the enemy and know yourself you need not fear the results of a hundred battles. And the battle is always being fought through us.
8.Focus on Being, utilise knowledge and self observe/remembering. Remember being is the capacity to assimilate knowledge and using knowledge brings energy. Self observe/remembering : A key to observing the self is to turn the attention simultaneously towards others to notice their true reactions to what you think
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Laura on April 16, 2013, 10:48:29 PM
Excellent summary, ajseph 21.  Question is: if everyone took those points and pondered them, how would they rate themselves on a scale of 1 to 10 in "performance"?
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: ajseph 21 on April 16, 2013, 11:06:45 PM
8.cont. you are doing or how you think you are being perceived. (C's) ISOTM goes more in depth.
9.Pay strict attention to objective reality left and right
Sott and being aware is key here. Don't ignore current events! Stay up to date and watch the signs because you can't do spiritual work without knowing what's going on.
10. Have the will of a lion and you won't have the fate of a mouse ( keep in mind we're being stored as food) Yes 4D sts has plans for us and we don't want to be apart of them. And we have freewill therefore you may choose now to prepare for the changes. Again from the transcripts: what keeps us from seeing and doing is stalling. Today is the day not tomorrow.
11. Seperating emotions based on assumptions from emotions that open you to unlimited possibilities is preparing for the next density
From Gnosis vol 1: man lives by six passions Love/hate pleasure/pain hope/fear, take these away and he feels nothing. Pretty limited emotional life isn't it? What of Joy sorrow mirth enthusiasm courage?
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: ajseph 21 on April 16, 2013, 11:13:20 PM
12. 12.Network, Network, Network! Because no 3D entity can stand up to 4D alone. All souled individuals are part of a fragmented 6th density being. By networking we are connecting on a soul level that extends far beyond the material plane and this work can literally change the world for the better so be persistent and let things happen naturally.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Carl on April 17, 2013, 12:12:11 AM
Excellent summary, ajseph 21.  Question is: if everyone took those points and pondered them, how would they rate themselves on a scale of 1 to 10 in "performance"?

This sounds like a great exercise to perform, preferably at the end of the day. I've noticed over the last few weeks I follow a familiar pattern:

Wake up, emotions from dreams are vivid, read sott/forum, and I feel in touch with life and ready for the day ahead.

Then, start whatever tasks I have planned for the day, become totally identified with them, forget about the network, the Work, and the coming planetary changes. I have a tendency to dissociate during the day, get identified with my emotions, and just live mechanically.

Return home, get my 'Cassiopaean' head back on. Sit with no 'A' influences, read, network, and suddenly I 'wake up' again. Everything makes sense again, and I berate myself for acting like a robot all day.

I really need to make extra efforts to remember myself as I go through daily life, as I'm obviously missing valuable opportunities for growth, and that is why I feel like I'm at such a standstill right now. I think a checklist like this is a helpful task to perform morning and night, and I will be trying it out over the coming weeks. Thankyou for your summary ajseph, it was a rather concise and helpful reminder :).
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Iron on April 17, 2013, 01:05:13 AM
This is a very direct sumary. Examining myself I would say that I'm not doing very good in terms of performance.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Ariadna on April 17, 2013, 01:42:02 AM
12. 12.Network, Network, Network! Because no 3D entity can stand up to 4D alone. All souled individuals are part of a fragmented 6th density being. By networking we are connecting on a soul level that extends far beyond the material plane and this work can literally change the world for the better so be persistent and let things happen naturally.

Thanks ajseph 21 by the development of the points you have made, I find it very useful and enlightening. I´ll work on it. :knitting:
Thanks network, Cassiopaea forum, here I feel at home.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: whitecoast on April 17, 2013, 04:53:55 AM
This is a very direct sumary. Examining myself I would say that I'm not doing very good in terms of performance.

Yeah that and the fact that we're often the least qualified to judge our own performance makes it a bit hard too :lol: But I think the exercise of rating oneself is simply for us to try and open to the possibility of doing more than we currently are, and looking for opportunities to be stronger.

I would probably add Recapitulation as number thirteen to ajseph 21's list. That can arise either through releases during EE or from journalling and reflecting on our experiences. Maybe strategic enclosure is also necessary for preparation? Thanks though ajseph. It almost makes me think if all this info learned so far should be codified with footnotes into a document akin to the FOTCM statement of principles? I have a check-list of self-work principles on my computer desktop I go over now and again, and it helps sometimes. Some people respond better to lists and organization than others, obviously.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Laura on April 17, 2013, 09:08:16 AM
Let's compile that great list into one post with some concrete examples, shall we?  The Cs would be proud!
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Zadius Sky on April 17, 2013, 02:48:40 PM
In thinking about preparing I've thought of what you said Laura about thinking about practical ways. Maybe if we take it from each part of our life we can come up with a whole solution.

Thanks so much, ajseph 21. I copied and pasted the list into my Notepad to clean it up for a better clarity. I think the examples (as Laura mentioned) can be added to the list from the transcripts as well from the recommended readings? I'll bet that this list would soon be rather comprehensive if we'd go that route.

I would probably add Recapitulation as number thirteen to ajseph 21's list. That can arise either through releases during EE or from journalling and reflecting on our experiences. Maybe strategic enclosure is also necessary for preparation? Thanks though ajseph. It almost makes me think if all this info learned so far should be codified with footnotes into a document akin to the FOTCM statement of principles? I have a check-list of self-work principles on my computer desktop I go over now and again, and it helps sometimes. Some people respond better to lists and organization than others, obviously.

The Recapitulation aspect seems to be a part of number 8 on the list: "Focus on Being, utilise knowledge and self observe/remembering."  :)

I think the number 10 is to avoid procrastination.

I'm finding this list to be quite useful.  :cool2:
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Muxel on April 17, 2013, 03:28:18 PM
I'm just not feeling the "network" connection. Sure we all agree on facts, but beyond that I feel like this forum community is so... fragmented. Everybody is off doing their own thing, posting their own thing, seeing through their own lens...
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: anart on April 17, 2013, 04:28:07 PM
I'm just not feeling the "network" connection. Sure we all agree on facts, but beyond that I feel like this forum community is so... fragmented. Everybody is off doing their own thing, posting their own thing, seeing through their own lens...

What are you doing to improve that? 

Or is your presence here all about what it gives you and not what you give back?
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Mariama on April 17, 2013, 05:13:55 PM
I'm just not feeling the "network" connection. Sure we all agree on facts, but beyond that I feel like this forum community is so... fragmented. Everybody is off doing their own thing, posting their own thing, seeing through their own lens...

I have found that when I became more active I felt more connected. And at the time I couldn't see what people did behind the scenes, because I didn't keep up with all the threads. Don't know whether that applies to you, though. I don't think this network is fragmented ... at all. For instance in the thread on the SOTT radio shows someone (dant I think) asked about transcriptions. Then several people (immediately) offered their time to transcribe. And then there is this interaction going back and forth when people run into difficulties. Fragmented, no. But maybe this is you looking through your own lens?
Have you thought of joining a group here, do some translation work, or become a SOTT editor? If you do you will see that people are not doing their own thing, but are working together for a common goal/aim. Personally, I find that very inspriring. :)
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: dant on April 17, 2013, 05:45:36 PM
Awesome list, ajseph 21!
It goes to show, you did your (home)work! :)

This condensed list is very good, and could be
placed on a "5x3" note/pocket/wallet card to
remind us of the great works, staying true to
our personal struggles, and to our group aims!

Kudos to you!
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Zadius Sky on April 17, 2013, 06:13:32 PM
Let's compile that great list into one post with some concrete examples, shall we?  The Cs would be proud!

Here's a list by ajseph 21 (again, great work!) in one post with a few examples (based on the poster's comments) from Gnosis I, The Wave, and the C's transcripts.

I don't know if you have this mind in regards to "examples," but it can be changed.
 
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1) Knowledge Input on Daily Basis

(ajseph 21: I remember this from a transcript speaking about protection from 4D Sts. This is also related to building a magnetic centre and discerning between A and B influences or everyday petty mundane concerns vs Reality and esoteric work. An idle mind is the devil's playground could apply here.)

Quote from: Session 15 April 1995
Q: (L) What can be done for shielding?

A: Knowledge input on a continuous basis.

Quote from:  The Wave, Ch. 71
Remember the most important principles the Cassiopaeans have given us: free will, and knowledge protects. These two concepts are inseparable. The more knowledge you have, the more awareness you have; and the more awareness you have, the more free will you have.

Quote from: Gnosis, Book One, page 143
In this factitious life, ruled by Illusion, yet strewn with 'B' influences, we must reaffirm our values almost every day if we are not to fall into another trap. We generally agree to recognize the existence of the danger of Illusion, but rather theoretically; most often, we see its action on those round about us, but not on ourselves. We continue to live day by day in the same old way, so that the power we know as the Devil still triumphs. Whatever name we give it, it remains ever-present. We live in an artificial, illusory world. It is interesting in this context to quote the words of a Buddhist monk. Asked: "How do you describe the creation of the world?," he answered: "The world is created anew for each newborn person." This is exact.

The power of illusion which chains us exerts its action individually on each one of us, as well as collectively. Each mind is falsified in a way peculiar to it. What can be the outcome of such a situation? If we keep quietly to our place, human careers open to us ... just as long as we stay far away from the void. We may have a happy or unhappy life; a family life; a life of loves; we may make discoveries, travel, write. Then comes the end.

Our reasoning starts to become more realistic if our attention is concentrated on this end. Everything can happen to us in life; or nothing. Our aspirations can be fulfilled or unfulfilled, but there is a sure end, which is death.

{snipped}

Constatation can take various forms, appropriate to the chosen object and attitude. But doubled attention is always obligatory. The exercise of presence is an effort of watchfulness; as we have seen, it is the principal element in this. When done daily, in the form of passive constatation, it leads to knowledge of oneself. But because presence must as far as possible become permanent—and we emphasize this point because of its importance—the seeker must practise doubled attention as much as he can during all his activities. He will notice in time that this effort of memory, of presence, not only does not hinder his activities, but on the contrary it helps greatly in carrying them out.

2) Éiriú Eolas to Prepare Emotionally for the Wave

(ajseph 21: The wave will bring a hyperkinetic sensate and all feelings will be felt. A good example would be LSD ( which produces an opening into 4D). Reading the descriptions of these trips may give you some insight as some have people have been traumatized by their own repressed negative emotions. I'm sure the wave is much more potent as your soul could be smashed by it! EE is essential and in esoteric work the principle aim is development of the emotional centre.)

Reading the above about LSD immediately made me think of Philip K. Dick's books and Graham Hancock's Supernatural (see here (http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,817.msg120182.html#msg120182)). I can't think of any other books on LSD that might give better descriptions.

Here's a snippet on a "hyperkinetic sensate."

Q: (L) Okay, so now you say that we have taken steps towards joy. The joy of a new world.

A: The wave is coming, you are teaching people to surf it instead of being dragged under and out to stormy seas.

Q: (L) You once said that the wave was something like "hyperkinetic sensate". And I've often wondered if that means that it's something that massively amplifies whatever is inside an individual? And if that were the case and they were full of a lot of unpleasant, painful, miserable feelings, repressed and suppressed thoughts and so forth, and something that was hyperkinetic sensate amplified all of that, what would it do to that individual? I mean, can you imagine any of us in our worst state of feeling yucky and then having that amplified a bazillion times? If it was bad stuff inside you, you would implode!

A: Soul smashing!

Q: (L) So it is really important for people to go through this process of cleansing to prepare themselves for that?

A: Yes, then they will "rise up with wings as eagles"!

Q: (L) So even people who - or maybe particularly people who - engage in a great deal of what Lobaczewski called "selection and substitution", there is some part of their rational mind that knows what the truth is, but because it's not acceptable to their peer group, or their social milieu, or their background and upbringing to accept that truth, they repress and suppress it and explain things to themselves in other ways. But they still know the truth. What would it be like if you have all of this suppressed, twisted truth locked up inside you that you never allowed yourself to look at and acknowledge?

(Ark) But you see this is not a separate phenomenon because when there is this amplification, there are these fears that you said, they will also explode. So the individual will be able to... the little devil will become the big devil, so it will be easier to choose, because, you know, choices will be amplified. It's not just little dark here, little this there - it's hard to choose - but they will have to decide this time where to go, and the decision will be...

(L) Extremely painful.

(Ark) It will be painful, but on the other hand, it will be clear.

(C******) But what if you're so overwhelmed it isn't clear?

(L) What if your fear is so big that...

(C******) You're blinded?

(Ark) Well, then you are lost.

Here's a thread on "Hyperkinetic Sensate" hyperactive sense phenomena (http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,26380.0.html).

And, here's what Mouravieff have to say on the negative emotions as being "instrument of destruction" (reading it with "hyperkinetic sensate" in mind):

Quote from: Gnosis, Book One, pages 45-6
Among the lower centres, the emotional centre is worst off. In our civilization — as we have already observed — it generally receives neither rational education nor systematic training. Its formation and development are now left to chance, since religious education today has been largely intellectualized and rationalized. All sorts of considerations dictated by worldly wisdom and mundane vanity; the habitual practice of lying — especially to ourselves — and hypocrisy, from which no one is totally exempt, imprint dangerous distortions on the emotional centre. Frequently struck by a feeling of inferiority and by the need for compensation, its usual motivation; accustomed as it is to judge and to criticize everybody and everything; surrendering itself to a strangely voluptuous enjoyment of negative emotions; this centre becomes unrecognizable. It degenerates to the point where it becomes the instrument of destruction of our being, which it accelerates on its way towards ageing and death.

And, here's Perceval's excellent analogy of "emotions=traffic lights"

Quote from: Session 7 March 2009
Q: (Craig) It serves to help people who don't know how to control their mind or their emotions.

A: Yes. And teach them when where and how to use those emotions for change. Overcoming emotions so that one is not affected by what is out there and inside is little more than becoming an automaton.

I was thinking that emotions could, at a stretch, be likened a little to an internal traffic light. If this light is working properly it is an essential tool to navigate this reality correctly. But for most people their "traffic light" is all messed up, all the wiring is partially burned out or crossed. Wrong lights go off at the wrong time, sometimes the green shows when the red should etc. and sometimes they all flash in chaos together. This naturally causes a lot of problems for the person who tries to rely on it for navigation. Two solutions seem possible: either turn off the traffic light altogether (or find a way to ignore it) or recalibrate it so that it runs correctly and gives accurate signals.

These breathing techniques can apparently be useful in shutting off the chaotic working of the lights, but that is not enough because they must be recalibrated. What is needed is for the traffic light to receive accurate data input in order to then begin working in the right way, and that's where knowledge input comes in.

3) Read, Learn, Meditate

(ajseph 21: this contains the first two points with a third i.e learn. Meditation heals the soul and emotions (EE), reading is knowledge input and learning is connected to being. Now being is the capacity to assimilate knowledge ( Gnosis vol 1) and is also paired with memory and who you truly are. If you continue to work though buffers, rationalizations, prejudices and lies than your level of being is stopped in its growth. It's most likely the emotional centre that will suffer from these psychological defects. So lies to the self must be stopped immediately. The books dealing with narcissism and thinking fast and slow can help reveal these issues.)

Here's the basic behind "the capacity to assimilate knowledge:"

Quote from: Gnosis, Book One, page 12
Simple ideas are the most difficult to grasp. They escape us because the extreme complexity of our minds makes us complicate everything. It is only simple ideas and formula: that matter in life.

Let us now consider the relation between these notions: to know, and to understand.

We can know without understanding, but we cannot understand without knowing. It therefore follows that understanding is knowing to which something imponderable is added. We are touching on a problem which is simple but at the same time can raise great difficulties.

We pass from knowing to understanding to the measure that we assimilate knowledge. The capacity for assimilation has its limits: man's capacity to contain understanding differs from person to person.

This problem concerns what we call the being of a person. It is one of the basic notions of esoteric science. It has several facets. In the terms that concern us here, being is demonstrated by a person's capacity for assimilation.

Knowledge is widespread everywhere. However, it is external to us. Understanding is within us.

If we pour the contents of a bottle into a glass, the latter can only contain an amount equal to its capacity. Any more will overflow. That is exactly what happens with us. We are only capable of understanding within the limits of our capacity to contain understanding within our being. Jesus said to His disciples: "I have yet many things to say unto you but ye cannot contain them now."

To be able to evolve, in the esoteric sense of the term, we must above everything else constantly seek to enhance our being, to raise its level.

I've found this to be an issue for me - I can have so many books, so many knowledge, and not enough understanding (which is why I've been re-reading many narcissism books with a serious note-taking - to fully understand, to ask more questions, etc.).

4) Being Aware and Network

(ajseph 21: aware means having or showing realization,perception, or knowledge and in archaic terms means being watchful and wary. Do you know that we're in prison? What is going on in the world? Are you watching and reading the Signs and changes? Sott can keep you up to speed on these things. The network is also constantly evolving with time. We simply cannot work alone and this is a community geared towards soul growth. Read the principles, share insights, experience, articles, and help uplift/build others. You will also begin to see yourself though mirrors and any errors you have will be revealed to you. The network is a charity in the true sense of the word i.e love feast (love is light is knowledge) It builds up you and others. And giving knowledge when asked and networking is STO.)

I can't think of any example or references for the above, which pretty much says it all.

5) Keeping Vigilant About Diet and Protecting Psychic Hygiene

(ajseph 21: (call a spade a spade i.e. don't lie to yourself) First one lie we have dealt with is the healthy diet myth. Eat plenty of fruits and veggies blah blah no fats low meat. Ketogenic and paleo diets are discussed broadly here in the diet and health section. Remember to keep the body healthy and vigorous as well as exercise if you are able. Don't obsess! You can't stop all toxins but you can take preventative measures with your diet. Remember pavlov's dogs. while you will want to have preferably a high fat low carb diet, the real goal is to continue the Work and that can be hindered if your psychic hygiene isn't clean. Are you listening to negative music, t.v, or in general surrounding yourself with negativity WITHOUT calling it negative? That's lying to yourself. Call it what it is!)

That's pretty much sums it up as well. Here's the brief snippet behind that:

Quote from:  Session 9 April 2011
Q: (L) The first one is; why have we all been feeling so inflamed/low on energy/depressed/irritable for the last two weeks?

A:  Cosmic changes in process. Each person experiences this differently according to genetics and environment. Recall previous sufferings preparatory to DNA boosts? All must keep vigilant about diet and psychic hygiene during this time as there are also external factors that seek to block the natural process.

...

Q: (Burma Jones) What do they mean by “psychic hygiene”?

A: Being careful about what you allow into your ”field”.

Q: (L) In what sense?

A: All senses.

Q: (L)  What do you mean “all senses”?

A: Seeing, hearing, speaking, and so on

...

A: Take care with interacting with negative energies.

Q: (L) Well that’s kinda like creating your own reality, isn’t it?

A:  Not what we mean… Keep your guard up and do not allow negative energies to slip by… such as believing lies… listening to negative music while thinking it is positive…watching negative movies and thinking it is negligible. It is extremely important to not lie to the self. One can listen or watch many things as long as the truth of the orientation is known, acknowledged, and understood. Clear?

Q: (L) So, in other words: awareness. Calling a spade a spade and not allowing something negative to enter you and believing it is positive. You can see it, perceive it and acknowledge it but not allow it to influence you. Because obviously, you cannot shut off your perceptions of the world, but you can control how it affects you. So, don’t let it inside, thinking it’s something that it’s not.

(Belibaste) So, see it as it is. If it is negative, see it as negative.

(L) Yeah, and they’re saying to focus on truth in order for changes to manifest in you that are positive.  That is, “positive” can mean acknowledging that something is negative because it is truth.

Q: (Galatea) Choose the seeds you wish to water.

(L) Is that basically what we’re talking about here?

A: Yes

6) Pure Faith and Non-Anticipation

(ajseph 21: When intending to do use pure faith and mental denial (non anticipation) First what is faith? A good description is from Sufi path of knowledge: the basic meaning is to be or feel safe and secure concerning your knowledge of God i.e total existence and to commit onself to put this into practice. It is belief, speaking, and doing from the heart ( higher emotional center). It is striving to be your true self and acting according to the Cosmic MInd living within us. Mental denial could be realising your inevitable death. Why anticipate anything? Focus on today be aware today. Ghandi said: Live as if you're going to die tomorrow and learn as if you're going to live forever.)

I have to admit that it is very hard to be non-anticipatory for me on a personal level. "Striving to be your true self" and acting as according to Cosmic Mind principles sure can help to develop self-discipline ("staying the course") and non-anticipation.

There are two good readings on this:

Wave 23: The Quest for the Holy Grail of No Anticipation (http://cassiopaea.org/2010/05/18/the-wave-chapter-23-lucifer-and-the-pot-of-gold-or-the-quest-for-the-holy-grail-of-no-anticipation/)

Anticipation and non-Anticipation (http://glossary.cassiopaea.com/glossary.php?id=110)

7) Keeping Vigilant Against Psychic Attacks

(ajseph 21: psyche is Soul in greek and from the transcipts the Soul is the subconscious mind. Now think of how many ways we are affected subconsciously from literally everything. A influences are a major culprit as well 4D sts ( they can tap our emotions, place suicidal thoughts etc) Knowlege protects and self knowledge is key here. Don't underestimate the opposition they can work through friends family and strangers ( think matrix ). Watch what you say and do to avoid the general law assault. Research Strategic enclosure. Sun Tzu quote: If you know the enemy and know yourself you need not fear the results of a hundred battles. And the battle is always being fought through us.)

The discussion of Strategic Enclosure can be found here (http://cassiopaea.org/2012/03/11/jupiter-nostradamus-edgar-cayce-and-the-return-of-the-mongols-part-11/) as I often referred back to it.

By the way, the Sun Tzu quote is excellent!

8) Focus on Being, Utilize Knowledge and Self-Observing/Remembering

(ajseph 21: Remember being is the capacity to assimilate knowledge and using knowledge brings energy. Self observe/remembering : A key to observing the self is to turn the attention simultaneously towards others to notice their true reactions to what you think you are doing or how you think you are being perceived. (C's) ISOTM goes more in depth.)

Recapitulation (http://glossary.cassiopaea.com/glossary.php?id=637) can be added here - freeing oneself from one's past through bringing it to consciousness.

9) Paying Strict Attention to Objective Reality Left and Right

(ajseph 21: Sott and being aware is key here. Don't ignore current events! Stay up to date and watch the signs because you can't do spiritual work without knowing what's going on.)

I always have this nice little statement by the C's on the walls of my room and work office as a daily reminder:

Quote
Life experiences reflect how one interacts with God. Those who are asleep are those of little faith in terms of their interaction with the creation. Some people think that the world exists for them to overcome or ignore or shut out. For those individuals, the world will cease. They will become exactly what they give to life. They will become merely a dream in the "past." People who pay strict attention to objective reality right and left, become the reality of the "Future."

- Cassiopaeans, 09-28-02

10) Bear the Will of a Lion

(ajseph 21: Have the will of a lion and you won't have the fate of a mouse (keep in mind we're being stored as food) Yes 4D sts has plans for us and we don't want to be apart of them. And we have freewill therefore you may choose now to prepare for the changes. Again from the transcripts: what keeps us from seeing and doing is stalling. Today is the day not tomorrow.)

Basically, this is avoiding procrastination.

Reading The Power of Habit (Duhigg) gave me a basic understanding how we are truly creatures of habit in this STS reality to which we have little choice to be, we can simply observe the "cue" that triggered our habits and what we get out of that (what kind of pleasure? What is that reward?, etc.) and make a choice to either give in to that "cue" or not. When we don't repeat that cue, we'd likely to end up with a different habit that may or may not fit to our current goals or "aims." Say, precipitation by reading books or procrastination by watching television? Either you use energy for learning or lose energy by escaping.

Keeping a daily goal in mind may ensure one to keep from falling into a state of procrastination ("I'll do it tomorrow" attitude).

11) Discerning Emotions

(ajseph 21: Seperating emotions based on assumptions from emotions that open you to unlimited possibilities is preparing for the next density. From Gnosis vol 1: man lives by six passions Love/hate pleasure/pain hope/fear, take these away and he feels nothing. Pretty limited emotional life isn't it? What of Joy sorrow mirth enthusiasm courage?)

Taking away all that passions to feel nothing seem to be similar to the idea of "denial of death," where one desires to feel these passions to feel "alive" and to avoid "death." (Becker's The Denial of Death comes to mind here).

Here's a snippet from the Gnosis on those "passions":

Quote from: Gnosis, Book One, pages 33-34
Although education is a major preoccupation of families and public authorities, the emotional development of the child is almost totally left to chance. In our contemporary civilization, this leads to an extraordinary impoverishment of our affective lives. Even in the eighteenth century, the Abbe Prevost notes:

Quote
There are few people who know the full force of the different movements of the heart. The vast majority of men are only sensitive to five or six passions, in the circle of which their lives are passed and which define the boundaries of their imaginations.
Take away love and hate, pleasure and pain, hope and fear, and they will feel nothing.

He further added:

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But persons of a nobler character can be moved in thousands of different ways. It seems that they can receive ideas and sensations which surpass the ordinary norms of nature.

The development of the emotional centre is the principal object of esoteric culture. We shall see later that it is only through this centre that man can find the key which will open the door to give him access to a higher life.

Pondering on this also made me wonder about the differences between "chemical" emotions and "true" emotions. Knowing the difference is a toughy, I think, but not impossible.

12) Network, Network, Network!

(ajseph 21: Because no 3D entity can stand up to 4D alone. All souled individuals are part of a fragmented 6th density being. By networking we are connecting on a soul level that extends far beyond the material plane and this work can literally change the world for the better so be persistent and let things happen naturally.)

There can't get any better than that. :)

fwiw.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Justin on April 17, 2013, 06:21:01 PM
Let's compile that great list into one post with some concrete examples, shall we?  The Cs would be proud!

Here's a list by ajseph 21 (again, great work!) in one post with a few examples (based on the poster's comments) from Gnosis I, The Wave, and the C's transcripts.

I don't know if you have this mind in regards to "examples," but it can be changed.
 

Thanks ajseph 21!  Excellent summary.  I've copied it to a word doc so I can review offline.

Thank you Zadius Sky for compiling and adding examples! 
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: MK Scarlett on April 17, 2013, 07:07:17 PM
Let's compile that great list into one post with some concrete examples, shall we?  The Cs would be proud!

Here's a list by ajseph 21 (again, great work!) in one post with a few examples (based on the poster's comments) from Gnosis I, The Wave, and the C's transcripts.

I don't know if you have this mind in regards to "examples," but it can be changed.
 

Thanks ajseph 21!  Excellent summary.  I've copied it to a word doc so I can review offline.

Thank you Zadius Sky for compiling and adding examples!

I'll second that, thank you!   :)
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: dant on April 17, 2013, 07:07:50 PM
@ Zadius Sky

Awesome!  Looks pretty good!

Attached are ODT & PDF files
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Gaby on April 17, 2013, 07:44:52 PM
I really need to make extra efforts to remember myself as I go through daily life, as I'm obviously missing valuable opportunities for growth...

I had something interesting happening this last week related to this. I wrote down some observations of a co-worker. They were the pretty harsh truth and written down in a matter of fact and definitely non-rosy way. It was meant to be read only by me. Later that day, as I realized I was running late for a scheduled talk, I picked up my things and went in a hurry. During the talk I wanted to write down some notes and reached out for my paper notes... which were missing. Big shock! I left it in the same office where the co-worker was working. So the talk quickly ends and I rush back to the office to recover my notes which I could only have left on the desk among other piled up papers. It was not there, it was in my coat instead. Co-worker acted as if nothing happened so all seemed to be well. It was only the day afterwards that she told me she saw my notes and that she was the one who placed them in my coat. She said this quickly among other "facts of the day" and with no added emotion. I felt pretty bad about it and also acutely aware that things were not as they looked liked. She acted as if she had read nothing, but in order to recognize they were written by me, it meant that she definitely read it. I felt pretty bad because she read something she was not meant nor prepared to read.

The cognitive dissonance was such, she either chose to ignore the whole thing or just went into denial overdrive. Immediately after this incident she reported some serious dissociation issues like nothing. People reported having some serious conversations with her which she doesn't recall at all. Things which she will usually not say in her "waking" life. She doesn't remember what she said and from the reactions of others, it must have been the pretty bad truth because they didn't necessarily reacted amusingly to the whole thing. I feel in a sense responsible for this. Someone who was not prepared nor wanted to read the truth but did because I slipped it over due to lack of awareness in my part. I have spent all these days making concerted efforts to stay acutely aware of everything to see if it helps her recover her "sanity".

Reading this list and particularly the concept below makes me realize that none of this would have happened if I would have called a spade a spade in my awareness without letting my guard down. I probably would not have forgotten my private notes for my co-worker to read... Talking about slipping the truth unconsciously!

Quote
Q: (L) So, in other words: awareness. Calling a spade a spade and not allowing something negative to enter you and believing it is positive. You can see it, perceive it and acknowledge it but not allow it to influence you. Because obviously, you cannot shut off your perceptions of the world, but you can control how it affects you. So, don’t let it inside, thinking it’s something that it’s not.

(Belibaste) So, see it as it is. If it is negative, see it as negative.

(L) Yeah, and they’re saying to focus on truth in order for changes to manifest in you that are positive.  That is, “positive” can mean acknowledging that something is negative because it is truth.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: anka on April 17, 2013, 08:02:26 PM
This is great.

Thanks very much, ajseph 21, for the list.

And thank you, Zadius Sky, for finishing it so nicely.

When i came across ajseph's list and a few more follow-up comments , i immediately started to copy/paste it into a word processor and when i finished and checked for corrections, i read on and voila! It is already done much better down here! Wow!

Did anyone comment earlier that this network is fragmented??? Guess the development of this thread is the ultimate answer. Everybody involved:  :thup:

Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: ajseph 21 on April 18, 2013, 12:46:08 AM
I'm happy the network benefited from the summary! Zadius Sky thanks for the inputs and expansions on the points because any info expanded on is useful. All thanks belongs to the network for their hard work and effort over the years and it's what's been given to me so in the end thank you! :)
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: nicklebleu on April 18, 2013, 01:19:27 AM
ajseph 21 and Zadius Sky ... thanks a lot for the awsome wrap-up of what we are trying to achieve. I feel that I continually let these axioms slip - I get sucked into "life" and loose the big picture. Your summary definitely will help to remind me where my priorities are.

Maybe I should make it a habit to read through the list every morning when I get up to refocus the mind and in the evening to see how well I was able to stick to it - kind of an internal mirror ...

Muxel,
I had the same feeling as you had for a long time. I experienced the forum as kind of a "parallel world", a virtual thing disconnected from "reality", simply something to amuse the mind and keep me busy, while at the same time the ideas presented herein found some deep resonance within myself - hence maybe this strange feeling of disconnect.

The solution is precicesly what anart has suggested - this changed the day I became EMOTIONALLY more involved. Looking from outside not much may have changed, like how often I post etc. But I have taken kind of a responsability to "look after my home", to monitor what's going on inside, to help maintain it and improve, where needed. And suddenly I felt part of it - sure I can still do more and I get sidetracked very easily, but ... this is my home and I will put all I can into it and hopefully make it a home for others too ...
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Prometeo on April 18, 2013, 03:16:11 AM
7) Keeping Vigilant Against Psychic Attacks

(ajseph 21: psyche is Soul in greek and from the transcipts the Soul is the subconscious mind. Now think of how many ways we are affected subconsciously from literally everything. A influences are a major culprit as well 4D sts ( they can tap our emotions, place suicidal thoughts etc) Knowlege protects and self knowledge is key here. Don't underestimate the opposition they can work through friends family and strangers ( think matrix ). Watch what you say and do to avoid the general law assault. Research Strategic enclosure. Sun Tzu quote: If you know the enemy and know yourself you need not fear the results of a hundred battles. And the battle is always being fought through us.)

The discussion of Strategic Enclosure can be found here (http://cassiopaea.org/2012/03/11/jupiter-nostradamus-edgar-cayce-and-the-return-of-the-mongols-part-11/) as I often referred back to it.

By the way, the Sun Tzu quote is excellent!


I love the list, seems like I'm not in the wrong path. I can add to this point external considering, in my opinion, nothing helped me to stop struggle with others if it wasn't by this concept. It made me understand that people are not in control of themselves, that there are predators, that there are dead walkers, and a lot of types of people with different purposes in this life. So, along strategic enclosure, made stop trying or believing I was in charge of helping them or raising my voice when at the end, it made no difference and people actually didn't need it, anyways if someone wants to wake up by his/her own actions, that person will find truth.

By considering others I consider myself.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Miguel Ángel on April 18, 2013, 10:19:57 AM
Hello everybody.

I am feeling the need to say a lot of "thank you(s)". Maybe it is related that I restarted doing EE seriously a few weeks ago and something emotional is opening inside of me.

Anyway,

Thank you ajseph 21 for taking your time making the list that will permit us being able to remember things that we have read once and again but never all at the same time.

Thank you Zadius Sky for compiling and develop the points of the list.

Thank you dant for attaching the files, which of course I've already downloaded, printed, read and which I will re-read in a weekly basis.

And of course, thank you to all the amazing people of this forum who is Working, Seeking, Researching, Sharing, etc., for years, all for free without asking anything in return.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Muxel on April 18, 2013, 11:40:14 AM
What are you doing to improve that?
I had made this forum my "rock" but now I'm not so sure. It's a motley collection of such diverse people at diverse levels and I'm not sure I fully understand (and am connected to) each and every one of you. I don't even know half of you, let alone... STO gives all to those who ask, meaning it must know/love all, right? And I simply cannot imagine how that is at my current level. I don't understand what STO is, and I don't even know how to strive for it.

I think that all I can do is work on myself no matter what goes on outside me, and school my emotions, and continue my search for that beautiful higher something, that I can't put into words.

As for "give back", that's not a problem. Giving, for me, is a natural outcome of having received. Sort of how inspiration works, I think. (And, come on, if I had a unified field theory I'd be the first to post it on the forum!)
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Intothefield on April 18, 2013, 12:13:31 PM
I want to add my thanks to anyone who took the time to compile this great reminding list and to all of those who, past in the years have acquired the knowledge that is shared on this forum and else.
All those people had paved the road which I try my best to follow wishing that one day I'll be able to add few bricks for others to walk.
A couple of days ago I realized, by meeting a special person, How many efforts I still have to do to improve myself but it was the first time I really felt it was not just for myself but for others around me.
As Prometeo said: by considering others I consider myself
Thanks again  :hug:
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Bear on April 18, 2013, 02:33:13 PM
I'm just not feeling the "network" connection. Sure we all agree on facts, but beyond that I feel like this forum community is so... fragmented. Everybody is off doing their own thing, posting their own thing, seeing through their own lens...
Hi Muxel,
I was looking for the excerpt for ISOTM posted on the forum that goes into the three circles with the esoteric circle being the highest and I came across and re-read this post by Laura.  I think you should read it because I think it will give you a perspective on the situation and forum.
http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,29448.msg376057.html#msg376057
What are you doing to improve that?
I had made this forum my "rock" but now I'm not so sure. It's a motley collection of such diverse people at diverse levels and I'm not sure I fully understand (and am connected to) each and every one of you. I don't even know half of you, let alone... STO gives all to those who ask, meaning it must know/love all, right? And I simply cannot imagine how that is at my current level. I don't understand what STO is, and I don't even know how to strive for it.
As for the diverse levels, see the above post I linked to.  As for part about STO, we are in a 3D STS environment and so I think a main issue in such an environment is learning and determining when someone is really asking.  Even then they might not really want to put any effort toward learning about what they are asking about and just be given.  So I think a big part of our existence here is learning how to move toward STO without being eaten alive by the 3D STS environment and determining when someone is really asking, etc.

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I think that all I can do is work on myself no matter what goes on outside me, and school my emotions, and continue my search for that beautiful higher something, that I can't put into words.
In terms of “my search for that beautiful higher something” I think that we are in this environment for a reason and that we should seek to learn and understand about all aspects to include the ‘good’ and ‘bad’ to the best of our ability.  Looking just for the "beautiful higher something" just sounds NewAgey to me.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Zadius Sky on April 18, 2013, 04:27:55 PM
I'm glad that the expansion of the list is useful for y'all.  :)

I realized that my grammar/mechanics aren't all that great for the list, but rather to include much of what I understood from ajseph's summaries and go from there. I did all of that within a span of few hours and may have missed a few things. As long as it's helpful, then yay!

7) Keeping Vigilant Against Psychic Attacks

(ajseph 21: psyche is Soul in greek and from the transcipts the Soul is the subconscious mind. Now think of how many ways we are affected subconsciously from literally everything. A influences are a major culprit as well 4D sts ( they can tap our emotions, place suicidal thoughts etc) Knowlege protects and self knowledge is key here. Don't underestimate the opposition they can work through friends family and strangers ( think matrix ). Watch what you say and do to avoid the general law assault. Research Strategic enclosure. Sun Tzu quote: If you know the enemy and know yourself you need not fear the results of a hundred battles. And the battle is always being fought through us.)

The discussion of Strategic Enclosure can be found here (http://cassiopaea.org/2012/03/11/jupiter-nostradamus-edgar-cayce-and-the-return-of-the-mongols-part-11/) as I often referred back to it.

By the way, the Sun Tzu quote is excellent!


I love the list, seems like I'm not in the wrong path. I can add to this point external considering, in my opinion, nothing helped me to stop struggle with others if it wasn't by this concept. It made me understand that people are not in control of themselves, that there are predators, that there are dead walkers, and a lot of types of people with different purposes in this life. So, along strategic enclosure, made stop trying or believing I was in charge of helping them or raising my voice when at the end, it made no difference and people actually didn't need it, anyways if someone wants to wake up by his/her own actions, that person will find truth.

By considering others I consider myself.

I agree. External Considering (http://glossary.cassiopaea.com/glossary.php?id=40&lsel=E) should be added to number 7 (as I missed this). It kinda goes hand in hand with Strategic Enclosure as means for a protection. It's really about our interaction with the General Law AKA "The Devil." This can be applied to not just "psychic" attacks, but to any forms of "attacks."

A quote from the Matrix film fits nicely under that:

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The Matrix is a system, Neo. That system is our enemy. But when you're inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters. The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that system and that makes them our enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it.

The list can always be adjusted to better suit for anyone.

What it all comes down to is this: persistent or "staying the course." That's what I felt from each of the list and rightly so. We all fall down at any time from any forms of attacks on a daily basis and that will always happen. But, we can pick ourselves up and continue to stay firm and true to our principles or choose to stay down and whine about the fact that we kept falling down.

What really works for me over the years on a daily basis is the morning reading of the "Life is Religion" statement by the C's (which is why I have copies of it on my walls and on my computers). Sometimes, reading the "First Initiation" (http://www.gurdjieff.org/salzmann3.htm) essay by Jeanne de Salzmann can capture the attention. It's different for everybody - choose what works, what hits, what jolts, and what grips your attention. If it doesn't work, find one.

I recall what Cayce once said to his son at breakfast table (I think it was from There is a River book but I could be wrong) that we died everyday and born every foredays, meaning, in my mind, that our personalities constantly changes, constantly forgetting, and we have a tendency to be "swayed" by the A Influences. "Staying the course" can develop self-discipline and self-consciousness.

I found this below poem as an inspiration for me to that regard:

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Invictus
(by William Ernest Henley)

Out of the night that covers me,
Black as the Pit from pole to pole,
I thank whatever gods may be
For my unconquerable soul.

In the fell clutch of circumstance
I have not winced nor cried aloud.
Under the bludgeonings of chance
My head is bloody, but unbowed.

Beyond this place of wrath and tears
Looms but the Horror of the shade,
And yet the menace of the years
Finds, and shall find, me unafraid.

It matters not how strait the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll.
I am the master of my fate:
I am the captain of my soul.

For what it's worth...
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Mac on April 18, 2013, 05:30:09 PM
Thanks to ajseph 21, Zadius Sky, dant and other contributors for this list. I printed the pdf and will read it frequently. Great reminders of why we do the Work and the tasks ahead of us.

Inspirational Indeed.

Mac
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Laura on April 18, 2013, 06:59:10 PM
Maybe we should format it as a little booklet and print copies that fit in the pocket? 
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Anam Cara on April 18, 2013, 07:03:17 PM
Well said Mac!!! many thanks to you all, it is inspirational and very timely!

As Laura said "Question is: if everyone took those points and pondered them, how would they rate themselves on a scale of 1 to 10 in "performance"?

I have printed the list and aim to review it daily. By pondering and objectively rating the points, I hope to see more clearly how I can 'be prepared'.

A pocket sized booklet version is a great idea Laura.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: truth seeker on April 18, 2013, 07:24:21 PM
Maybe we should format it as a little booklet and print copies that fit in the pocket?
Hmmm... That reminds me of zines:

_https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zine

_http://www.utne.com/media/how-to-make-your-own-zine.aspx
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Helio Paul on April 18, 2013, 07:34:43 PM
Yes another Thank you Ajseph 21, Zadius Sky particularly and to everyone else involved here for this Great summary and reminder, So useful and timely  :)
 Just to add something personal, it's VERY comforting and heartwarming for us here to have the chance to take advantage of all this "food" shared, regardless of our obvious differences...
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Zadius Sky on April 18, 2013, 07:40:26 PM
Maybe we should format it as a little booklet and print copies that fit in the pocket?

I just attached a Word '07 using a booklet format. All one have to do is to print it out using both sides of the paper approaches.

It's pretty simple touch and go - anyone using Microsoft Word 2007 can adjust this booklet to their likings.  :cool2:

Of course, it's hard to do with the hyperlink embeds.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: zim on April 18, 2013, 08:02:02 PM
Yes another Thank you Ajseph 21, Zadius Sky particularly and to everyone else involved here for this Great summary and reminder, So useful and timely  :)

I second that; thank you very much to all who took time to put all this points together, great summary as others have said  :cool2: :clap: :thup: :headbanger:
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Tristan on April 18, 2013, 08:44:24 PM
A little booklet is a great idea!!  :lol:
Also I wonder if do the writing exercises suggested in the Redirect (http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,25989.msg410528.html#msg410528) thread  could be added at point (8)
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Laura on April 18, 2013, 09:02:09 PM
Well, if we add in the text from the hyperlinks as appendices, and a few more touches, it will be a small book by the QFG discussion forum at Cass.org!  I'll send it for professional formatting, we can offer it on amazon (they'll print to specs).  How does that sound?
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: irjO on April 18, 2013, 09:03:21 PM
Well, if we add in the text from the hyperlinks as appendices, and a few more touches, it will be a small book by the QFG discussion forum at Cass.org!  I'll send it for professional formatting, we can offer it on amazon (they'll print to specs).  How does that sound?

Pretty good actually! go for it :)
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Laura on April 18, 2013, 09:11:04 PM
Well, if we add in the text from the hyperlinks as appendices, and a few more touches, it will be a small book by the QFG discussion forum at Cass.org!  I'll send it for professional formatting, we can offer it on amazon (they'll print to specs).  How does that sound?

Pretty good actually! go for it :)

Okay, ya'll get it the way you want it.  Maybe add some pages with a personal checklist or whatever, and we'll get it done.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Atuya on April 18, 2013, 10:14:09 PM

Okay, ya'll get it the way you want it.  Maybe add some pages with a personal checklist or whatever, and we'll get it done.

Too cool!  :thup:
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Ghostdoghaiku on April 18, 2013, 11:08:08 PM
Excellent summary, ajseph 21.  Question is: if everyone took those points and pondered them, how would they rate themselves on a scale of 1 to 10 in "performance"?

Rating our 'performance' can be deceiving, if we use that to emotionally beat ourselves forward.  I think 'balance' is an important concept to keep in our back pockets.  A lot of musicians I know ride themselves to pain, by their own drive for perfection.  The most interesting ones come to an understanding with themselves, gather knowledge at whatever rate they can and then get out of their own way and let Nature and it's muses take their course.  What muses you allow to channel, is of course about how conscious you want to be about that. 

Being diligent and attempting to be as focused as you can be, is more what gets you to an ongoing state of awareness and some semblance of excellence.  You can't judge your own excellence.  It closes the flow of things.  We're dealing with things here that are much like music---or maybe they are music in terms of universal vibration and frequencies.  These things don't have an end.  We're talking about the infinite. 

Tell me if you think I'm wrong, but I feel that facing the right direction, having the intent to succeed and doing whatever it is that you can at any time, is the right thing to do.  And then, be alright with your actions.

I see a lot of folks on the forum holding themselves to some kind of standard, where anything less then full and total realization should be considered failure, as if there is a 'normal' anything going on here.  Even the Cs aren't fully realized, or they'd be floating around in 7D, no? 

We should choose the direction of our destiny and then go towards it every day.  No need to feel guilt ridden, but rather walk steadily toward that direction, step by step, monitoring ourselves as well, as we're capable---and enjoy the opportunity that we have been given to be taking these actions, in the first place.

After all of that, I do think a master list, as being discussed here, which could additionally be available as a PDF, would be a good resource for all of us to consider looking at when we need to refine our routines and refresh our juices.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: monotonic on April 19, 2013, 01:29:08 AM
Perhaps the book could include a perforated page to be torn out and used to make the pocket-sized booklet?

Excellent summary, ajseph 21.  Question is: if everyone took those points and pondered them, how would they rate themselves on a scale of 1 to 10 in "performance"?
Being diligent and attempting to be as focused as you can be, is more what gets you to an ongoing state of awareness and some semblance of excellence.  You can't judge your own excellence.  It closes the flow of things.  We're dealing with things here that are much like music---or maybe they are music in terms of universal vibration and frequencies.  These things don't have an end.  We're talking about the infinite. 

Have you read the psychology books dealing with the adaptive unconscious? These books provide information that can elucidate the process without falling back on buzzwords like "the infinite" which are poorly understood and usually unhelpful.

I think it has to do with separating limiting emotions from limitless ones (paraphrasing the C's). The "flow" you speak of is probably the state of mind lacking anticipation and therefore able to apply nonlinear thought/problem solving without the hindrance of the limiting emotions associated with the adaptive unconscious.

At the same time "flow" might mean a state where you are constantly lying to yourself, believing that you are doing something meaningful when you are really spinning your wheels.

Rating your "performance" isn't about limiting yourself to a standard. It is about looking over the list and seeing how you could be doing better at what you are already doing. Someone who is already trying to apply these principles will be glad that they have something to remind them (alarm clocks a la 4th Way) to keep them from falling asleep.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Approaching Infinity on April 19, 2013, 02:33:34 AM
Well, if we add in the text from the hyperlinks as appendices, and a few more touches, it will be a small book by the QFG discussion forum at Cass.org!  I'll send it for professional formatting, we can offer it on amazon (they'll print to specs).  How does that sound?

Pretty good actually! go for it :)

Okay, ya'll get it the way you want it.  Maybe add some pages with a personal checklist or whatever, and we'll get it done.

I can work on cleaning up the existing text. Whatever you all want to include as appendices, just post here.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: obyvatel on April 19, 2013, 03:25:46 AM
Some practical tips and tricks related to the topic of emotions, self remembering etc and preparation for tough times.

-Use active reasoning to deal with negative emotions. Example: When someone insults you, ask yourself if it was justified. If yes accept it and do better in the future. If not justified, consider that the other has made a mistake and stop bothering about it.

- Uncouple sensation from thought and feeling. Example: when angry, focus on the breath, posture and tension in the body instead of letting the energy drive imaginary thoughts.

- Accept the past and the present without resistance and wishing things to be different. Focus on learning from the past and present to prepare for the future.

- Contemplate death and impermanence constantly. Live as if every day was your last day.

- Enjoy what you have today without being attached to them. One way to go about this is to imagine how it would be to lose what you take for granted today. This keeps insatiable desires at bay and promotes contentment.

- Practice voluntary discomfort periodically. This has the benefit of hardening the spirit for any future misfortune, builds willpower and confidence as well as helping with the realization that we can make do with less than what we use today.

- End each day asking
Quote from: Stoics
   What ailment of yours have you cured today? What failing have you resisted? Where can you show improvement?

Fwiw
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: voyageur on April 19, 2013, 08:22:55 AM
Some practical tips and tricks related to the topic of emotions, self remembering etc and preparation for tough times.

-Use active reasoning to deal with negative emotions. Example: When someone insults you, ask yourself if it was justified. If yes accept it and do better in the future. If not justified, consider that the other has made a mistake and stop bothering about it.

- Uncouple sensation from thought and feeling. Example: when angry, focus on the breath, posture and tension in the body instead of letting the energy drive imaginary thoughts.

- Accept the past and the present without resistance and wishing things to be different. Focus on learning from the past and present to prepare for the future.

- Contemplate death and impermanence constantly. Live as if every day was your last day.

- Enjoy what you have today without being attached to them. One way to go about this is to imagine how it would be to lose what you take for granted today. This keeps insatiable desires at bay and promotes contentment.

- Practice voluntary discomfort periodically. This has the benefit of hardening the spirit for any future misfortune, builds willpower and confidence as well as helping with the realization that we can make do with less than what we use today.

- End each day asking
Quote from: Stoics
   What ailment of yours have you cured today? What failing have you resisted? Where can you show improvement?

Fwiw

Why thank you obyvatel for posting these thoughts, along with a big thanks to both Ajseph 21 and Zadius Sky for initiating the points and for compiling in downloadable format - good work.  :cool:

As life truly is religion: all day, every day, ones external situational awareness demands constant considering and reevaluation, and this is no easy task. Sometimes in our busy lives, in our confused times, or at least for me, this considering seems to come along with a type of waxing and waning of self-remembering if said truthfully, and the struggle comes when signs of waning appear and then, what if it is not recognized? The things said above and elsewhere here on this network itself, seems to me to be a powerful anchor. 

I'm just not feeling the "network" connection. Sure we all agree on facts, but beyond that I feel like this forum community is so... fragmented. Everybody is off doing their own thing, posting their own thing, seeing through their own lens...

Fwiw, thinking on what you said Muxel, although this may appear to you as so, for me i’ve started, even though not active here each day or contributing, there is this sense, a constant remembering while away or while carrying out whatever i’m doing in the day, of this multifaceted network here, constantly doing - people doing their thing, whatever that may be; researching, remembering their internal and external struggles/lessons/understandings etcetera. If possible, while reading a great many posts about people and their variegated lives and interests here, they often come up during times of thinking in purposeful ways during the day – as strange as this may seem. It is like the network is a grounding rod and helps one to look through different eyes at themselves and question their actions and their surroundings whenever, like I said above “what if it is not recognized” - it kind of shakes me from signs of self waning. So in this respect, there is this type of everyday mobile connection of remembering to the network, even a type of psychic feedback loop going on while not online. There is this ever greater thinking about everything we do during the day, our very thoughts and actions while alone or together, which perhaps have great unseen influences. Guess what I’m saying, not very well either, is that how many times a day do people here take with them this network, think upon others, what they have said, what solutions they have come up with in a given situation or what research could affect their decision making, how people have helped other, even if not recognized? We may seem fragmented, yet, osit, all these things put together is what we are as a whole – one for all, all for one.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Intothefield on April 19, 2013, 11:56:17 AM
What about doing a Cassiopeans Agenda for the year (maybe for the next)? with the reminders on the beginning and a checklist for the various points where you can rate yourself day by day? It can also include some inspiring quotes on each day or something alike.
I'll be willing to help with some graphic stuff.
Just a thought......
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Intothefield on April 19, 2013, 12:43:39 PM
Something like this?
See attachment
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Zadius Sky on April 19, 2013, 12:44:17 PM
Some practical tips and tricks related to the topic of emotions, self remembering etc and preparation for tough times.

{snipped}

Quote from: Stoics
What ailment of yours have you cured today? What failing have you resisted? Where can you show improvement?


Thanks for this, obyvatel. It'll be a nice addition to the booklet.  :)
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Zadius Sky on April 19, 2013, 12:46:02 PM
Something like this?
See attachment

That's pretty good, I think. What's G,F,... (letters line down)? Just curious.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Intothefield on April 19, 2013, 12:50:21 PM
Hi Zadius Sky,
The letters are the initials of each months, the small circles for each day where, on the inside, it's possible to write a rate from 1 to 10
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: anart on April 19, 2013, 03:24:28 PM
Hi Zadius Sky,
The letters are the initials of each months, the small circles for each day where, on the inside, it's possible to write a rate from 1 to 10

Just a tiny point on the calendar part and it might be a language issue, but January starts with a J not a G as do June and July, so that part might be more clear if you use J's in stead of the letters you've used?
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Intothefield on April 19, 2013, 03:55:03 PM
Hi Zadius Sky,
The letters are the initials of each months, the small circles for each day where, on the inside, it's possible to write a rate from 1 to 10

Just a tiny point on the calendar part and it might be a language issue, but January starts with a J not a G as do June and July, so that part might be more clear if you use J's in stead of the letters you've used?

Ops...you'r right, language issues here  :-[
corrected and attached
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Zadius Sky on April 19, 2013, 03:57:34 PM
Just a tiny point on the calendar part and it might be a language issue, but January starts with a J not a G as do June and July, so that part might be more clear if you use J's in stead of the letters you've used?

Ops...you'r right, language issues here  :-[
corrected and attached

Thanks. I think that's a pretty good checklist, imho.

I was confused about the "G" part, which led me to ask about it. Thanks for the attachment.  :)
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Gandalf on April 19, 2013, 04:05:27 PM
Hi Zadius Sky,
The letters are the initials of each months, the small circles for each day where, on the inside, it's possible to write a rate from 1 to 10

Just a tiny point on the calendar part and it might be a language issue, but January starts with a J not a G as do June and July, so that part might be more clear if you use J's in stead of the letters you've used?

Ops...you'r right, language issues here  :-[
corrected and attached

Maybe you could have another O for the month of February in case we are still here for the next bissextile year (2016).  ;)
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Intothefield on April 19, 2013, 04:17:34 PM
Hi Zadius Sky,
The letters are the initials of each months, the small circles for each day where, on the inside, it's possible to write a rate from 1 to 10

Just a tiny point on the calendar part and it might be a language issue, but January starts with a J not a G as do June and July, so that part might be more clear if you use J's in stead of the letters you've used?

Ops...you'r right, language issues here  :-[
corrected and attached

Maybe you could have another O for the month of February in case we are still here for the next bissextile year (2016).  ;)

 :lol: I didn't want to anticipate too mutch :lol:
I'll add it
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Approaching Infinity on April 19, 2013, 04:39:37 PM
Hi Zadius Sky,
The letters are the initials of each months, the small circles for each day where, on the inside, it's possible to write a rate from 1 to 10

Just a tiny point on the calendar part and it might be a language issue, but January starts with a J not a G as do June and July, so that part might be more clear if you use J's in stead of the letters you've used?

Ops...you'r right, language issues here  :-[
corrected and attached

Maybe you could have another O for the month of February in case we are still here for the next bissextile year (2016).  ;)

 :lol: I didn't want to anticipate too mutch :lol:
I'll add it

I like it. I like the image/title for each section too. Something like that will look good in the book!
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Alana on April 19, 2013, 06:43:02 PM
This little book is a great idea, very good job you all!  :thup: It can be used as a daily "alarm clock" a la Gurdjieff's term.

Perhaps we can add images in it too, since we have so many talented artists aboard? Images can look good in black and white, if color would be too expensive to print. Perhaps the images can be symbolic of something that reminds us of Work concepts, like getting control of the horses, the power of networking, focusing on our breath and being present in everything we do, things like that. They can be simple but aesthetically pleasing, and help visual people remember better.






 
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Intothefield on April 19, 2013, 07:02:06 PM
They can be simple but aesthetically pleasing, and help visual people remember better.

That's what I was thinking, I see a lot of people here are into art & graphic.It's intresting to do images on the Work because sometimes it seems itself a kind of meditation.
I would call myself a visual person and images help me a lot into reminding something, I was so fascinated by the simple pictograms in the Gnosis book as well as those from ISOTM that I wished one day I can do something like that.
Next week I'm planning to produce more on the topic.

Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: JGeropoulas on April 19, 2013, 07:52:52 PM
I really need to make extra efforts to remember myself as I go through daily life, as I'm obviously missing valuable opportunities for growth...

I had something interesting happening this last week related to this. I wrote down some observations of a co-worker. They were the pretty harsh truth and written down in a matter of fact and definitely non-rosy way. It was meant to be read only by me. Later that day, as I realized I was running late for a scheduled talk, I picked up my things and went in a hurry. During the talk I wanted to write down some notes and reached out for my paper notes... which were missing. Big shock! I left it in the same office where the co-worker was working. So the talk quickly ends and I rush back to the office to recover my notes which I could only have left on the desk among other piled up papers. It was not there, it was in my coat instead. Co-worker acted as if nothing happened so all seemed to be well. It was only the day afterwards that she told me she saw my notes and that she was the one who placed them in my coat. She said this quickly among other "facts of the day" and with no added emotion. I felt pretty bad about it and also acutely aware that things were not as they looked liked. She acted as if she had read nothing, but in order to recognize they were written by me, it meant that she definitely read it. I felt pretty bad because she read something she was not meant nor prepared to read.

The cognitive dissonance was such, she either chose to ignore the whole thing or just went into denial overdrive. Immediately after this incident she reported some serious dissociation issues like nothing. People reported having some serious conversations with her which she doesn't recall at all. Things which she will usually not say in her "waking" life. She doesn't remember what she said and from the reactions of others, it must have been the pretty bad truth because they didn't necessarily reacted amusingly to the whole thing. I feel in a sense responsible for this. Someone who was not prepared nor wanted to read the truth but did because I slipped it over due to lack of awareness in my part. I have spent all these days making concerted efforts to stay acutely aware of everything to see if it helps her recover her "sanity".
<snip>

Yes, becoming able to maintain awareness is obviously a long, arduous process, as exemplified in this anecdote included in a continuing education course I took on mindfulness last fall:

                           After ten years of apprenticeship, a student achieved the rank of Zen teacher. One rainy day, he
                           went to visit a famous Zen master in another city. When he entered the house, the master
                           greeted him with a question, "Did you leave your wooden clogs and umbrella on the porch?"
                           "Yes, master," he replied. "Tell me," the master said, "Did you place your umbrella to the left of
                           your shoes, or to the right?"

                           The visitor didn't know the answer. So he stayed with the master and studied Zen for another
                           ten years.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Prometeo on April 19, 2013, 08:47:12 PM
Excellent summary, ajseph 21.  Question is: if everyone took those points and pondered them, how would they rate themselves on a scale of 1 to 10 in "performance"?

Rating our 'performance' can be deceiving, if we use that to emotionally beat ourselves forward.  I think 'balance' is an important concept to keep in our back pockets.  A lot of musicians I know ride themselves to pain, by their own drive for perfection.  The most interesting ones come to an understanding with themselves, gather knowledge at whatever rate they can and then get out of their own way and let Nature and it's muses take their course.  What muses you allow to channel, is of course about how conscious you want to be about that. 

Being diligent and attempting to be as focused as you can be, is more what gets you to an ongoing state of awareness and some semblance of excellence.  You can't judge your own excellence.  It closes the flow of things.  We're dealing with things here that are much like music---or maybe they are music in terms of universal vibration and frequencies.  These things don't have an end.  We're talking about the infinite. 

Tell me if you think I'm wrong, but I feel that facing the right direction, having the intent to succeed and doing whatever it is that you can at any time, is the right thing to do.  And then, be alright with your actions.

I see a lot of folks on the forum holding themselves to some kind of standard, where anything less then full and total realization should be considered failure, as if there is a 'normal' anything going on here.  Even the Cs aren't fully realized, or they'd be floating around in 7D, no? 

We should choose the direction of our destiny and then go towards it every day.  No need to feel guilt ridden, but rather walk steadily toward that direction, step by step, monitoring ourselves as well, as we're capable---and enjoy the opportunity that we have been given to be taking these actions, in the first place.

After all of that, I do think a master list, as being discussed here, which could additionally be available as a PDF, would be a good resource for all of us to consider looking at when we need to refine our routines and refresh our juices.

You are doing what you are telling we should not do, limiting yourself to a standard, an assumption I bet. We haven't even tried it so we don't really know how good it works.
The cs' may not be at 7d, but it's clearly they know more than us and they didn't get there taking a 1 hour course.
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: Laura on April 19, 2013, 09:05:45 PM
Let's get this thing done and in the bag.  AI, you want to take it from here?
Title: Re: Session 23 March 2013
Post by: jhonny on April 19, 2013, 09:06:14 PM
Some practical tips and tricks related to the topic of emotions, self remembering etc and preparation for tough times.

-Use active reasoning to deal with negative emotions. Example: When someone insults you, ask yourself if it was justified. If yes accept it and do better in the future. If not justified, consider that the other has made a mistake and stop bothering about it.

- Uncouple sensation from thought and feeling. Example: when angry, focus on the breath, posture and tension in the body instead of letting the energy drive imaginary thoughts.

- Accept the past and the present without resistance and wishing things to be different. Focus on learning from the past and present to prepare for the future.

- Contemplate death and impermanence constantly. Live as if every day was your last day.

- Enjoy what you have today without being attached to them. One way to go about this is to imagine how it would be to lose what you take for granted today. This keeps insatiable desires at bay and promotes contentment.

- Practice voluntary discomfort periodically. This has the benefit of hardening the spirit for any future misfortune, builds willpower and confidence as well as helping with the realization that we can make do with less than what we use today.

- End each day asking
Quote from: Stoics