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Jedi
Re: Article: Radiation levels correct?
The Café Rad Lab is a new board opened by Luke from Enformable. He's starting a radiation detection seminar online. I think he'll be able to answer your questions or help you find the answers. He's made room on his new board for a webcam forum, so you'll find me there keeping a watch on TEPCO's disaster site.
Café Rad Lab
Index http://caferadlab.com/index.php
Radiation detection training http://caferadlab.com/forum-49.html
Webcam forum http://caferadlab.com/forum-18.html
3D Student said:
The Café Rad Lab is a new board opened by Luke from Enformable. He's starting a radiation detection seminar online. I think he'll be able to answer your questions or help you find the answers. He's made room on his new board for a webcam forum, so you'll find me there keeping a watch on TEPCO's disaster site.
Café Rad Lab
Index http://caferadlab.com/index.php
Radiation detection training http://caferadlab.com/forum-49.html
Webcam forum http://caferadlab.com/forum-18.html
Re: Article: Radiation levels correct?
You might be interested in this ongoing series on Veterans Today - Your Radiation This Week by Bob Nichols. The latest one:
FYI - This is per the USA EPA Radnet radiation data - CPM=counts per minute:
50 CPM and over is abnormal - 100 CPM alert level - 300 CPM evacuation or hazmat
3D Student said:
You might be interested in this ongoing series on Veterans Today - Your Radiation This Week by Bob Nichols. The latest one:
FYI - This is per the USA EPA Radnet radiation data - CPM=counts per minute:
50 CPM and over is abnormal - 100 CPM alert level - 300 CPM evacuation or hazmat
horse
Jedi
Re: Article: Radiation levels correct?
Measuring ionizing radiation is not simple. Right tool for the right job. What is your instrument measuring?
When Fukushima happened the major air release was carried by surface winds to NA, the plume reached the jet stream circling the globe in 40 days. The air releases will rain out of the atmosphere as random patches of fallout downwind of the plume. The open reactors and Japan's debris burning is a lesser radioactive release but has continued for 4 1/2 years spreading more nuclear particles downwind. The major sea releases moved slower; follow the tsunami debris, it started out under the fallout of the initial release and currents carried it to NA in 3-4 years. The open reactors are leaking to the sea and measured radiation levels set new records with each measurement reported. The tropical storms increase the fallout to the area and stir ocean sediments to new locations.
3D Student said:
Measuring ionizing radiation is not simple. Right tool for the right job. What is your instrument measuring?
When Fukushima happened the major air release was carried by surface winds to NA, the plume reached the jet stream circling the globe in 40 days. The air releases will rain out of the atmosphere as random patches of fallout downwind of the plume. The open reactors and Japan's debris burning is a lesser radioactive release but has continued for 4 1/2 years spreading more nuclear particles downwind. The major sea releases moved slower; follow the tsunami debris, it started out under the fallout of the initial release and currents carried it to NA in 3-4 years. The open reactors are leaking to the sea and measured radiation levels set new records with each measurement reported. The tropical storms increase the fallout to the area and stir ocean sediments to new locations.
Re: Article: Radiation levels correct?
I have an Inspector Alert like the one here http://www.mineralab.com/Inspector.htm . Looks like it measures Alpha, Beta, Gamma, and X-rays.
Thanks for that. I was just surprised at how slow the ocean currents are.
horse said:
I have an Inspector Alert like the one here http://www.mineralab.com/Inspector.htm . Looks like it measures Alpha, Beta, Gamma, and X-rays.
horse said:
Thanks for that. I was just surprised at how slow the ocean currents are.
horse
Jedi
Re: Article: Radiation levels correct?
Good instrument, with a pancake probe, excellent. Once you’ve established a background range for your instrument and location you can start measuring high energy sources. Many people report high energy readings from car air filters, wipes of the bottom of drain spouts, and pet food cans of fish.
I have many of the same concerns you do. Veterans Today may be cherry-picking the EPA radnet data for sensationalism, data that is incomplete and hard to access, without doing a thorough analysis. It only makes it easier for the nuclear industry to discredit those sources. See this discussion on EPA radnet data.
http://caferadlab.com/thread-87-post-287.html#pid287
No point in panic now, we were all dosed after the 311 meltdowns. Our lives shortened as radiation slowly damages immune systems, weakens heart muscles, promotes cancer, and destroys genes. Trying to prove a connection to radiation releases may be difficult without reliable data and that’s why I think it’s been made so hard for the public to get that information.
At Chernobyl another entombment is being built to contain the radioactive releases. Efforts at Daiichi have been too feeble to stop the emissions, worse yet, the melts are contaminating seawater.
The nuclear industry is pushing changes at regulatory agencies to increase the amounts of radiation the public should endure to save them a little money. They can get away with this if people don’t know what radiation is doing to them or how much is too much.
3D Student said:
Good instrument, with a pancake probe, excellent. Once you’ve established a background range for your instrument and location you can start measuring high energy sources. Many people report high energy readings from car air filters, wipes of the bottom of drain spouts, and pet food cans of fish.
I have many of the same concerns you do. Veterans Today may be cherry-picking the EPA radnet data for sensationalism, data that is incomplete and hard to access, without doing a thorough analysis. It only makes it easier for the nuclear industry to discredit those sources. See this discussion on EPA radnet data.
http://caferadlab.com/thread-87-post-287.html#pid287
No point in panic now, we were all dosed after the 311 meltdowns. Our lives shortened as radiation slowly damages immune systems, weakens heart muscles, promotes cancer, and destroys genes. Trying to prove a connection to radiation releases may be difficult without reliable data and that’s why I think it’s been made so hard for the public to get that information.
At Chernobyl another entombment is being built to contain the radioactive releases. Efforts at Daiichi have been too feeble to stop the emissions, worse yet, the melts are contaminating seawater.
The nuclear industry is pushing changes at regulatory agencies to increase the amounts of radiation the public should endure to save them a little money. They can get away with this if people don’t know what radiation is doing to them or how much is too much.
Yeah, I'd expect anything that is an accumulator of air or water to have a noticeably higher radiation level. I recall the C's session saying that Fukushima was just a drop in the bucket of water so to say, and that the accumulation over decades is what is really doing us in. And that vegetarians would be "nuclear toast". 
I hope the planet and Universe knows what it's doing in how to clean this psychopathic disaster up.
I hope the planet and Universe knows what it's doing in how to clean this psychopathic disaster up.
horse
Jedi
3D Student said:Yeah, I'd expect anything that is an accumulator of air or water to have a noticeably higher radiation level. I recall the C's session saying that Fukushima was just a drop in the bucket of water so to say, and that the accumulation over decades is what is really doing us in. And that vegetarians would be "nuclear toast".
Do you know which C's session mentioned Fukushima? Don't recall that one.
horse said:3D Student said:Yeah, I'd expect anything that is an accumulator of air or water to have a noticeably higher radiation level. I recall the C's session saying that Fukushima was just a drop in the bucket of water so to say, and that the accumulation over decades is what is really doing us in. And that vegetarians would be "nuclear toast".
Do you know which C's session mentioned Fukushima? Don't recall that one.
I found this:
9 April 2011 said:
angelburst29
The Living Force
16 US Ships That Aided Japan Still Contaminated With Radiation
http://www.military.com/daily-news/2016/03/14/16-us-ships-that-aided-japan-still-contaminated-with-radiation.html?ESRC=navy-a_160316.nl
Mar 14, 2016 - CAMP FOSTER, Okinawa -- Sixteen U.S. ships that participated in relief efforts after Japan's nuclear disaster five years ago remain contaminated with low levels of radiation from the crippled Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear power plant, top Navy officials told Stars and Stripes.
In all, 25 ships took part in Operation Tomadachi, the name given for the U.S. humanitarian aid operations after the magnitude-9.0 earthquake and subsequent tsunami on March 11, 2011. The tsunami, whose waves reached runup heights of 130 feet, crippled the Fukushima plant, causing a nuclear meltdown.
In the years since the crisis, the ships have undergone cleanup efforts, the Navy said, and 13 Navy and three Military Sealift Command vessels still have some signs of contamination, mostly to ventilation systems, main engines and generators.
"The low levels of radioactivity that remain are in normally inaccessible areas that are controlled in accordance with stringent procedures," the Navy said in an email to Stars and Stripes. "Work in these areas occurs mainly during major maintenance availabilities and requires workers to follow strict safety procedures."
All normally accessible spaces and equipment aboard the ships have been surveyed and decontaminated, Vice Adm. William Hilarides, commander of Naval Sea Systems Command, wrote to Stars and Stripes.
"The radioactive contamination found on the ships involved in Operation Tomodachi is at such low levels that it does not pose a health concern to the crews, their families, or maintenance personnel," Hilarides said.
The largest U.S. ship to take part in the relief operation was the aircraft carrier USS Ronald Reagan, which normally carries a crew of more than 5,000 sailors. In 2014, three years after the disaster, the Reagan's ventilation system was contaminated with 0.01 millirems of radiation per hour, according to the Navy. Nuclear Regulatory Commission guidelines advise no more than 2 millirems of radiation in one hour in any unrestricted area, and 100 millirems total in a calendar year from external and internal sources in unrestricted and controlled areas, so full-time exposure on the Reagan would be below that.
Plume of radiation In the days after the tsunami hit the Fukushima complex, the plant suffered multiple explosions and reactors began to melt down.
Officials from the NRC told Congress that extremely high levels of radiation were being emitted from the impaired plant. Japanese nuclear experts said winds forced a radioactive plume out to sea, and efforts to keep fuel rods cool using sea water caused tons of radiated water to be dumped into the ocean.
The Reagan was dispatched to take part in relief efforts, arriving the next day. Navy officials say the Nimitz-class nuclear-powered supercarrier stayed at least 100 nautical miles away from the damaged plant, but many sailors have disputed the Navy's accounting, saying they were so close that they could see the plant.
The Navy has acknowledged that the Reagan passed through a plume of radiation. Navy images showed sailors with their faces covered, scrubbing the deck of the Reagan with soap and water as a precautionary measure afterward. The Reagan and sailors stayed off the coast of Japan for several weeks to aid their Japanese allies.
The multibillion-dollar ship, projected to last at least 50 years after its launch in 2001, then was taken offline for more than a year for "deep maintenance and modernization" at the Puget Sound Naval Shipyard and Intermediate Maintenance Facility in Bremerton, Washington, according to Navy officials.
"Procedures were in place to survey, control and remove any low-level residual contamination," the Navy said. "Personnel working on potentially contaminated systems were monitored with sensitive dosimeters, and no abnormal radiation exposures were identified."
Upgrades and cleaning also took place at the ship's next stop in San Diego.
Sailors who performed the work said it entailed entering spaces deep within the ship, testing for high levels of radiation, and if it was found, sanding, priming and painting the areas. They say there were given little to no protective gear, a claim that the Navy denies.
Of the 1,360 individuals aboard the Reagan who were monitored by the Navy following the incident, more than 96 percent were found not to have detectable internal contamination, the Navy said. The highest measured dose was less than 10 percent of the average annual exposure to someone living in the United States.
Radiation effects unknown Experts differ on the effects of radiation in general and, specifically, for those involved in Operation Tomodachi.
Eight Reagan sailors, claiming a host of medical conditions they say are related to radiation exposure, filed suit in 2012 against the nuclear plant's operator, the Tokyo Electric Power Co. The suit asserts that TEPCO lied, coaxing the Navy closer to the plant even though it knew the situation was dire. General Electric, EBASCO, Toshiba Corp. and Hitachi were later added as defendants for allegations of faulty parts for the reactors.
A spokesman for TEPCO declined to comment for this story because of the sailors' lawsuit, which was slated to go forward pending appeals in the U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals.
The illnesses listed in the lawsuit include genetic immune system diseases, headaches, difficulty concentrating, thyroid problems, bloody noses, rectal and gynecological bleeding, weakness in sides of the body accompanied by the shrinking of muscle mass, memory loss, leukemia, testicular cancer, problems with vision, high-pitch ringing in the ears and anxiety.
The list of sailors who have joined the lawsuit, which is making its way through the courts, has grown to 370.
In early 2014, Congress ordered Assistant Secretary of Defense for Health Affairs Dr. Jonathan Woodson to investigate the claims.
After a peer-reviewed study into the levels of exposure, Woodson reported back to Congress, defending the military's response and safeguards.
Any illnesses that sailors have developed since the operation are not a result of the relief campaign, he said.
"There is no objective evidence that the sailors ... experienced radiation exposures that would result in an increase in the expected number of radiogenic diseases over time," Woodson wrote. "The estimated radiation doses for all individuals in the Operation Tomodachi registry, including sailors on the USS Ronald Reagan, were very small and well below levels associated with adverse medical conditions."
Furthermore, Woodson said, more sailors would have been sick if the levels were high enough to cause the illnesses cited. There were upward of 5,000 sailors aboard the Reagan at the time of the operation. He also said symptoms developed too early to be associated with the operation.
But Shinzo Kimura -- a professor at Dokkyo Medical University in Japan who has studied radiation exposure from Hiroshima and Nagasaki to Chernobyl and, now, Fukushima -- said it wasn't too early for sailors to show symptoms of exposure-related conditions. Doctors have seen conditions in children living near the plant that surfaced earlier than would normally be expected.
Kimura, hired by the Nihonmatsu city government for his expertise in the field, was the first scientist on the ground taking readings in the wake of the Fukushima disaster. He said each person and the way their body is affected by radiation is different.
While unable to definitively say if the sailors were sickened by the radiation, Kimura reasoned that the levels aboard the Reagan were high enough to cause illnesses. Otherwise, he said, why go through the bother of repeated cleanings to lower radiation levels?
"It is impossible to speculate or calculate how much the doses were before the two decontamination works," he said. "The U.S. military is very good at risk-management. Considering that, it is assumed that decontaminations were conducted twice because the levels were not favorable."
(Comment section has some good info.)
http://www.military.com/daily-news/2016/03/14/16-us-ships-that-aided-japan-still-contaminated-with-radiation.html?ESRC=navy-a_160316.nl
Mar 14, 2016 - CAMP FOSTER, Okinawa -- Sixteen U.S. ships that participated in relief efforts after Japan's nuclear disaster five years ago remain contaminated with low levels of radiation from the crippled Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear power plant, top Navy officials told Stars and Stripes.
In all, 25 ships took part in Operation Tomadachi, the name given for the U.S. humanitarian aid operations after the magnitude-9.0 earthquake and subsequent tsunami on March 11, 2011. The tsunami, whose waves reached runup heights of 130 feet, crippled the Fukushima plant, causing a nuclear meltdown.
In the years since the crisis, the ships have undergone cleanup efforts, the Navy said, and 13 Navy and three Military Sealift Command vessels still have some signs of contamination, mostly to ventilation systems, main engines and generators.
"The low levels of radioactivity that remain are in normally inaccessible areas that are controlled in accordance with stringent procedures," the Navy said in an email to Stars and Stripes. "Work in these areas occurs mainly during major maintenance availabilities and requires workers to follow strict safety procedures."
All normally accessible spaces and equipment aboard the ships have been surveyed and decontaminated, Vice Adm. William Hilarides, commander of Naval Sea Systems Command, wrote to Stars and Stripes.
"The radioactive contamination found on the ships involved in Operation Tomodachi is at such low levels that it does not pose a health concern to the crews, their families, or maintenance personnel," Hilarides said.
The largest U.S. ship to take part in the relief operation was the aircraft carrier USS Ronald Reagan, which normally carries a crew of more than 5,000 sailors. In 2014, three years after the disaster, the Reagan's ventilation system was contaminated with 0.01 millirems of radiation per hour, according to the Navy. Nuclear Regulatory Commission guidelines advise no more than 2 millirems of radiation in one hour in any unrestricted area, and 100 millirems total in a calendar year from external and internal sources in unrestricted and controlled areas, so full-time exposure on the Reagan would be below that.
Plume of radiation In the days after the tsunami hit the Fukushima complex, the plant suffered multiple explosions and reactors began to melt down.
Officials from the NRC told Congress that extremely high levels of radiation were being emitted from the impaired plant. Japanese nuclear experts said winds forced a radioactive plume out to sea, and efforts to keep fuel rods cool using sea water caused tons of radiated water to be dumped into the ocean.
The Reagan was dispatched to take part in relief efforts, arriving the next day. Navy officials say the Nimitz-class nuclear-powered supercarrier stayed at least 100 nautical miles away from the damaged plant, but many sailors have disputed the Navy's accounting, saying they were so close that they could see the plant.
The Navy has acknowledged that the Reagan passed through a plume of radiation. Navy images showed sailors with their faces covered, scrubbing the deck of the Reagan with soap and water as a precautionary measure afterward. The Reagan and sailors stayed off the coast of Japan for several weeks to aid their Japanese allies.
The multibillion-dollar ship, projected to last at least 50 years after its launch in 2001, then was taken offline for more than a year for "deep maintenance and modernization" at the Puget Sound Naval Shipyard and Intermediate Maintenance Facility in Bremerton, Washington, according to Navy officials.
"Procedures were in place to survey, control and remove any low-level residual contamination," the Navy said. "Personnel working on potentially contaminated systems were monitored with sensitive dosimeters, and no abnormal radiation exposures were identified."
Upgrades and cleaning also took place at the ship's next stop in San Diego.
Sailors who performed the work said it entailed entering spaces deep within the ship, testing for high levels of radiation, and if it was found, sanding, priming and painting the areas. They say there were given little to no protective gear, a claim that the Navy denies.
Of the 1,360 individuals aboard the Reagan who were monitored by the Navy following the incident, more than 96 percent were found not to have detectable internal contamination, the Navy said. The highest measured dose was less than 10 percent of the average annual exposure to someone living in the United States.
Radiation effects unknown Experts differ on the effects of radiation in general and, specifically, for those involved in Operation Tomodachi.
Eight Reagan sailors, claiming a host of medical conditions they say are related to radiation exposure, filed suit in 2012 against the nuclear plant's operator, the Tokyo Electric Power Co. The suit asserts that TEPCO lied, coaxing the Navy closer to the plant even though it knew the situation was dire. General Electric, EBASCO, Toshiba Corp. and Hitachi were later added as defendants for allegations of faulty parts for the reactors.
A spokesman for TEPCO declined to comment for this story because of the sailors' lawsuit, which was slated to go forward pending appeals in the U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals.
The illnesses listed in the lawsuit include genetic immune system diseases, headaches, difficulty concentrating, thyroid problems, bloody noses, rectal and gynecological bleeding, weakness in sides of the body accompanied by the shrinking of muscle mass, memory loss, leukemia, testicular cancer, problems with vision, high-pitch ringing in the ears and anxiety.
The list of sailors who have joined the lawsuit, which is making its way through the courts, has grown to 370.
In early 2014, Congress ordered Assistant Secretary of Defense for Health Affairs Dr. Jonathan Woodson to investigate the claims.
After a peer-reviewed study into the levels of exposure, Woodson reported back to Congress, defending the military's response and safeguards.
Any illnesses that sailors have developed since the operation are not a result of the relief campaign, he said.
"There is no objective evidence that the sailors ... experienced radiation exposures that would result in an increase in the expected number of radiogenic diseases over time," Woodson wrote. "The estimated radiation doses for all individuals in the Operation Tomodachi registry, including sailors on the USS Ronald Reagan, were very small and well below levels associated with adverse medical conditions."
Furthermore, Woodson said, more sailors would have been sick if the levels were high enough to cause the illnesses cited. There were upward of 5,000 sailors aboard the Reagan at the time of the operation. He also said symptoms developed too early to be associated with the operation.
But Shinzo Kimura -- a professor at Dokkyo Medical University in Japan who has studied radiation exposure from Hiroshima and Nagasaki to Chernobyl and, now, Fukushima -- said it wasn't too early for sailors to show symptoms of exposure-related conditions. Doctors have seen conditions in children living near the plant that surfaced earlier than would normally be expected.
Kimura, hired by the Nihonmatsu city government for his expertise in the field, was the first scientist on the ground taking readings in the wake of the Fukushima disaster. He said each person and the way their body is affected by radiation is different.
While unable to definitively say if the sailors were sickened by the radiation, Kimura reasoned that the levels aboard the Reagan were high enough to cause illnesses. Otherwise, he said, why go through the bother of repeated cleanings to lower radiation levels?
"It is impossible to speculate or calculate how much the doses were before the two decontamination works," he said. "The U.S. military is very good at risk-management. Considering that, it is assumed that decontaminations were conducted twice because the levels were not favorable."
(Comment section has some good info.)
horse
Jedi
Hi Angelburst29, Thanks for posting that reminder of the sailor's plight. When I started researching how bad the Fukushima Dai-Ichi meltdowns were, the thing I noticed time and again was that radiation hazards were officially being minimized and that the damage control efforts to protect the nuclear cartel from bearing responsibility for any harm done were rather obvious.
Experts would differ when all the different radioactive heavy metals and gaseous fission products have different characteristics and decay chains, some more toxic than others, but then they lump them all together into one unit of measure to use for risk assessment. Nuclear experts use the argument that if an external dose of radiation doesn't kill you immediately then no harm was done and base their judgments on inadequate studies of the survivors of the Nagasaki and Hiroshima atomic bombings. Relying on limited studies of a single high level external radiation exposure; any long term low level exposure effects can be extrapolated away. By focusing only on the immediate radiation hazard the long term chemical toxicity of the radioactive heavy metal poisoning is ignored even though the long term health effects of heavy metal poisoning, especially mercury and lead, are well documented. The use of depleted uranium, DU, has provided some information on the toxicity of a radioactive heavy metal.
Radioactive fallout leaves a dusting of heavy metals scattered to earth that are toxic to life.
Experts would differ when all the different radioactive heavy metals and gaseous fission products have different characteristics and decay chains, some more toxic than others, but then they lump them all together into one unit of measure to use for risk assessment. Nuclear experts use the argument that if an external dose of radiation doesn't kill you immediately then no harm was done and base their judgments on inadequate studies of the survivors of the Nagasaki and Hiroshima atomic bombings. Relying on limited studies of a single high level external radiation exposure; any long term low level exposure effects can be extrapolated away. By focusing only on the immediate radiation hazard the long term chemical toxicity of the radioactive heavy metal poisoning is ignored even though the long term health effects of heavy metal poisoning, especially mercury and lead, are well documented. The use of depleted uranium, DU, has provided some information on the toxicity of a radioactive heavy metal.
Radioactive fallout leaves a dusting of heavy metals scattered to earth that are toxic to life.
BHelmet
The Living Force
Hi. A big part of the picture is also the Pacific Ocean. I have been posting to another thread but I guess this is the one to use. There are a ton of articles related to the pacific, in essence, dying. So many species having unprecedented die offs; the food chain destabilized. I realize the C's made some comments right after the Fukushima incident in 2011 but that was then and now it is 5 years later. I think it is a whole different ballgame now.
Here is a related clip:
from Investment Watch: title of article says it all:
California bans commercial crab fishing due to excessive radiation in seafood
(NaturalNews Mar 27, 2016) In November of last year, California state officials placed an indefinite hold on the commercial crab season, in order to protect public health. The reason given by the state was dangerously high levels of algal toxins in the bodies of the crabs.
But according to New York radio station 95.1 FM (SuperStation 95), insiders from the California Fish and Game Commission have revealed that the real reason for the ban was dangerously high levels of radioactivity resulting from the 2011 Fukushima nuclear disaster.
Radioactive crab are so dangerous to eat that state officials felt the need to protect the public, Superstation 95 reports. But officials were unwilling to publicly admit the true reason for the ban, which contradicts official claims that the Fukushima disaster poses no threat to the U.S. West coast.
Here is a related clip:
from Investment Watch: title of article says it all:
California bans commercial crab fishing due to excessive radiation in seafood
(NaturalNews Mar 27, 2016) In November of last year, California state officials placed an indefinite hold on the commercial crab season, in order to protect public health. The reason given by the state was dangerously high levels of algal toxins in the bodies of the crabs.
But according to New York radio station 95.1 FM (SuperStation 95), insiders from the California Fish and Game Commission have revealed that the real reason for the ban was dangerously high levels of radioactivity resulting from the 2011 Fukushima nuclear disaster.
Radioactive crab are so dangerous to eat that state officials felt the need to protect the public, Superstation 95 reports. But officials were unwilling to publicly admit the true reason for the ban, which contradicts official claims that the Fukushima disaster poses no threat to the U.S. West coast.