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Who controls the BIS?

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goyacobol:

--- Quote from: BHelmet on September 26, 2017, 09:11:04 AM ---All of this is fascinating and intriguing. But, as the C's said, there is so much disinformation to wade through. Are La Rouche and Tarpley legit or just more COINTEL tools? Who is to say, conclusively on this earthly 3D STS plane, who is THE culprit? Especially when it all seems to default to 4D STS, anyway? Does it really matter who is on first? Is it possible that the chase to hunt down the actual relationship between the Jesuits and the Bankers and the Masons and the Knights Templar etc etc is just another big distraction? And, if so, what does it take our attention away from? Even if we had the absolute answer, what difference would it make? What would that information do for you? Again, what does all the distraction, disinformation and information-overload lead me away from? Is that not, perhaps, a more important question?

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Good point BHelmet.  That's why I had put this whole thread on the back burner so to speak.  Unless we meet Ignatius Loyola's great great great grandson and he has some kind of inside scoop or something we will probably be guessing forever.  It has given a lot of background though, and it provide a piece of the puzzle somewhere else since everything is in a sense "connected".  It is interesting how many vice presidents have been Jesuits and how many congressmen attended Jesuit colleges.

No one is being forced to spend time on this topic so it still may be useful for someone else late to the discussion.  Who knows may Ignatius Loyola's great grandson has joined the forum under an assumed name?  :P

alkhemst:

--- Quote from: BHelmet on September 26, 2017, 09:11:04 AM ---All of this is fascinating and intriguing. But, as the C's said, there is so much disinformation to wade through. Are La Rouche and Tarpley legit or just more COINTEL tools? Who is to say, conclusively on this earthly 3D STS plane, who is THE culprit? Especially when it all seems to default to 4D STS, anyway? Does it really matter who is on first? Is it possible that the chase to hunt down the actual relationship between the Jesuits and the Bankers and the Masons and the Knights Templar etc etc is just another big distraction? And, if so, what does it take our attention away from? Even if we had the absolute answer, what difference would it make? What would that information do for you? Again, what does all the distraction, disinformation and information-overload lead me away from? Is that not, perhaps, a more important question?

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It's self evident for me that disinformation and distractions lead us away from what's more important. The question is how should we define what's more important and what's not? For example why not apply the same type of questions to anyone looking into who was behind 9/11 or what's causing climate change? We might simply say, well that's interesting but what's the point when it all boils down to 4D STS?

Let's say for example we have a pattern of how an institution that's been around for a very very long time, that has a documented history of being openly totalitarian and malevolent, but has over a relatively short time (of its overall exiatence) convinced most of us of its rather benign nature. Somehow except for a few unfortunate outliers of child abuse and satanic rituals, it's not important. If that pattern fits, it's quite a PR feat to pull off and there's reason to understand how that was done. It might not fit of course, but how do we tell for sure? Might need a bit of digging.

goyacobol:

--- Quote from: alkhemst on September 27, 2017, 01:37:37 AM ---
--- Quote from: BHelmet on September 26, 2017, 09:11:04 AM ---All of this is fascinating and intriguing. But, as the C's said, there is so much disinformation to wade through. Are La Rouche and Tarpley legit or just more COINTEL tools? Who is to say, conclusively on this earthly 3D STS plane, who is THE culprit? Especially when it all seems to default to 4D STS, anyway? Does it really matter who is on first? Is it possible that the chase to hunt down the actual relationship between the Jesuits and the Bankers and the Masons and the Knights Templar etc etc is just another big distraction? And, if so, what does it take our attention away from? Even if we had the absolute answer, what difference would it make? What would that information do for you? Again, what does all the distraction, disinformation and information-overload lead me away from? Is that not, perhaps, a more important question?

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It's self evident for me that disinformation and distractions lead us away from what's more important. The question is how should we define what's more important and what's not? For example why not apply the same type of questions to anyone looking into who was behind 9/11 or what's causing climate change? We might simply say, well that's interesting but what's the point when it all boils down to 4D STS?

Let's say for example we have a pattern of how an institution that's been around for a very very long time, that has a documented history of being openly totalitarian and malevolent, but has over a relatively short time (of its overall exiatence) convinced most of us of its rather benign nature. Somehow except for a few unfortunate outliers of child abuse and satanic rituals, it's not important. If that pattern fits, it's quite a PR feat to pull off and there's reason to understand how that was done. It might not fit of course, but how do we tell for sure? Might need a bit of digging.

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I have found this thread difficult to the point of putting it on the "back burner" but that doesn't mean I have not learned more by looking into it and there is no more to learn.  I think this is the spirit of the forum in a sense.  There are some topics such as the "Blue Avians" , "Flat Earth" , etc.  that may just be distractions or disinformation but even those may contain useful information too I think.

Personally I couldn't ponder the "Flat Earth" concept without feeling a schizophrenic reaction but that could be my problem/program.  So I would just say if I find any more information that may give us more pieces to this BIS/Jesuit connection which seems to be one likely possibility, this is a place to share it.  They don't call the "Deep State" or the "Secret Government" deep or secret for no good reason. 

Many threads get started without any response; at least this one has generated a few pages to ponder.  We don't always find immediate or easy answers but we can at least "try".  I think that is what we call "Thinking with a hammer".

Thanks alkhemst for asking what seems to me is still a valid question, "Who controls the BIS?".  I'll keep it at least on the "back burner".  :knitting:

P.S. BHelmet this is not a slam against your view. We are all entitled to our opinion.  I have seen so many good ideas from you that I think your heart is in the right place. And yes, there is so much other stuff going on that the details are mind boggling to the point of distraction sometimes.

alkhemst:

--- Quote from: goyacobol on September 27, 2017, 08:15:03 AM ---...So I would just say if I find any more information that may give us more pieces to this BIS/Jesuit connection which seems to be one likely possibility, this is a place to share it.  They don't call the "Deep State" or the "Secret Government" deep or secret for no good reason. 

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There's a Reddit page I came across that seeks to makes these links directly. I've not done the due diligence on all it claims, but for now will paste below:


--- Quote ---There have been no Jews to head the Federal Reserve Bank of New York which is the most powerful fed bank in the nation in which they keep at least 400 tons of gold bars, with the rest of the United State's gold reserves being stored only at the US Mint at Denver and at West Point:

The rest of it resides at the U.S. Mint at Denver (1,400 tons) and at West Point (1,700 tons) and in the deep storage vaults of the New York Federal Reserve (400 tons)
_http://www.newsmax.com/Finance/Ed-Moy/Fort-Knox-gold-bar-audit/2014/06/06/id/575519/

And so it follows that it was Timothy Geithner, President of The Federal Reserve Bank of New York who was behind the financial crash of '08.

These are the real international banking powers:

Prince Lorenz of Belgium oversees the Bank of International Settlements in Basel Switzerland from his private Gutzwiller bank and has worked as a banker in Rome, London and Paris. Prince Lorenz is Austria-Este with a Savoy mother and married into the Saxe-Coburg and Gotha Belgian royalty. The BIS was founded by Nazis and is currently connected to most of the central banks in the world and is siphoning off portions of income tax to distribute to the owners of the corporate governments which are especially those with titles of royalty and nobility.

Mario Draghi takes his name from drago which means dragon in Italian. The Borghese family reside in Rome where Mario Draghi was born and have a dragon on their coat of arms. Mario Draghi is the President of the European Central Bank, former Goldman Sachs executive, former Governor of the Bank of Italy, former Italian Executive Director at the World Bank, member of the Group of Thirty, and member of the Board of Directors of the Bank for International Settlements.

The Borghese family are a Papal Nobility who founded the Bank of the Holy Spirit under Pope Paul V or Camillo Borghese. The Bank of the Holy Spirit merged with the Banca di Roma which merged with UniCredit Group which merged with Santander which merged investments with Warburg Pincus and General Atlantic through the holding company Pioneer Investments. Amadeo Giannini founded the Bank of Italy in California which is the Bank of America today and still under its original charter.

The Torlonia family are formerly the Conti family who manage the Vatican today and gained power as bankers. Princess Sibilla of Luxembourg is from the Torlonia banking family and Jewish Javal banking family. Princess Olimpia Anna Aldobrandini of Italian nobility married Baron David René James de Rothschild. The Rothschild family are titled the "Guardians of the Papal treasure" which is stated in the Jewish Encyclopedia.The Court Jew bankers, Black Nobility and European monarchs are all intermarried. The Federal Reserve Bank of New York is architecturally designed off the Medici Palazzo and has been ran by Jesuit educated bankers who are also members of the CFR the Basel Committee and Group of Thirty such as William Joseph McDonough and Edward Gerald Corrigan.

The Knight of Malta Edward L. Hennessy, Jr was director of Lockheed Martin, Traveler’s Insurance Company, Automatic Data Processing, New York Stock Exchange, Union Texas Petroleum Corporation, the United Way of Tri-State, the Coast Guard Academy Foundation, Inc., DNA Plant Technology Corporation, the National Association of Manufacturers, the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, the United States Export and Import Bank, and was financial advisor to the Vatican. The Knight of Malta Geoffrey T. Boisi was vice chairman of JPMorgan Chase, senior general partner of Goldman Sachs & Co and is member of the international advisory board of Grupo Santander (Spain); member of the investment banking committee, American Stock Exchange; member of the board of directors of Freddie Mac and member of the Trilateral Commission.

_http://www.fearlessblogging.com/post/view/32991

 

Prince Lorenz of Belgium, Archduke of Austria-Este

Lorenz studied economics at the University of St. Gallen in Switzerland and the University of Innsbruck in Austria. He worked at various banks in London, Paris, and Rome. In 1983 he joined the Gutzwiller private bank in Basel where he eventually became a Managing Partner. In 1993, he spent one year as a consultant to Swift, a company which provides services to the financial industry. In 1995, he became Advisor to the Board of Directors of BNP Paribas Bank in Paris. He is currently a director of UCB, a global pharmaceutical manufacturer. He was formerly a director of Sita (a worldwide waste management company located in France) and of Ondeo Nalco (a water management company in the United States)

_https://www.geni.com/people/Lorenz-Erzherzog-von-%C3%96sterreich-Este/6000000003034728870

 

Vittorio Emanuele, Prince of Naples

On several occasions he has been the centre of controversy in Italy and abroad due to a series of incidents, including remarks that were seen by some as anti-semitic. He was revealed to be a member of Propaganda Due (P2), the state within a state responsible for high-level corruption and political manipulation.[4] In France he was tried on a murder charge, of which he was cleared of unlawful killing but convicted of a firearms offence. More recently, Vittorio Emanuele was arrested on 16 June 2006, following an investigation started by John Woodcock of the Public Prosecutor's Office in Potenza, Italy, on charges of criminal association, corruption and exploitation of prostitution.[5] A trial on these charges began in Potenza, Italy on 21 December 2009. Vittorio Emanuele di Savoia was acquitted of all charges in 2007 and 2010.[6][7]

Vittorio Emanuele has worked as a banker and an aircraft salesman, and then an arms dealer.[8]

_https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vittorio_Emanuele,_Prince_of_Naples

 

Finally, the 1980s book "Vatican Billions" revealed:

"The Vatican has large investments with the Rothschilds of Britain, France and America, with the Hambros Bank, with the Credit Suisse in London and Zurich. In the United States it has large investments with the Morgan Bank, the Chase-Manhattan Bank, the First National Bank of New York, the Bankers Trust Company, and others." "The Vatican has billions of shares in the most powerful international corporations such as Gulf Oil, Shell, General Motors, Bethlehem Steel, General Electric, International Business Machines, T.W.A., etc."

Eric Jon Phelps - The Jesuit Control Of The Banking System

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_https://www.reddit.com/r/RomeRules/comments/4k6i0s/the_vatican_jesuit_world_banking_system/

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