10 reasons it's difficult to spot narcissists and psychopaths — and how they use these to hide in plain sight

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A good introductory article, worth publishing on SOTT :
10 reasons it's difficult to spot narcissists and psychopaths — and how they use these to hide in plain sight or
10 reasons it's difficult to spot narcissists and psychopaths — and how they use these to hide in plain sight

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10 reasons it's difficult to spot narcissists and psychopaths — and how they use these to hide in plain sight
Lindsay Dodgson

8 May 2018, 08:49

Dark triad personalities — narcissism, Machiavellianism, and psychopathy — rely on manipulating other people as their source of power. They thrive off creating chaos for everyone around them, under the illusion of being a caring partner or friend.

Narcissists, sociopaths, and psychopaths are so good at hiding in plain sight, you'll have a hard time identifying them unless you know the signs.

There's also a problem with what we expect these people to be.

When you mention psychopaths, many people will imagine a murderer, rapist, or Hannibal Lecter type. The reality is a lot less dramatic. Someone doesn't have to have committed a violent crime to be diagnosed as a psychopath, and taking a lot of selfies doesn't make someone a narcissist.

They still cause harm to others, but it's more likely to be the emotional and psychological harm that doesn't leave physical scars. That's why they can hop from partner to partner without leaving much of a trace of their destruction.

Doctor of psychology and therapist Perpetua Neo spoke with Business Insider about how dark triad people slip through the cracks, and how our misconceptions can help them manipulate others.

Here are 10 reasons dark triad people are so difficult to spot:

1. They are not all Jack the Ripper
Relatively few psychopaths have a taste for blood. Neo said we tend to believe most psychopaths are in prison, because they are cold-blooded murderers, rapists, or paedophiles, but this simply isn't true for most of them.

She said we tend to ask ourselves if someone is a full-blown psychopath, such as Jack the Ripper, which means we ignore the other signs that they are probably on the spectrum.

"It's just a way we use to justify it to ourselves that there is a good person inside this person, or maybe I'm just bringing the bad side out of this person," she said. "I think the question should be 'are they good to you and are they good for you?'

"Do you really need a person to be Jack the Ripper before you decide to disengage from them?"

2. Their job proves nothing
If someone is respected in the community, it is harder to assume their intentions aren't good. But sometimes, dark triad people will go into professions that will mask their true intentions. Neo said this always makes her think of the Catholic church, and when they tried to cover up the abuse of young children.

"Because somebody is in a position in a community, we think they're a good person," she said. "Just like if someone's a psychologist or therapist, we think they're a good person. But having gifts doesn't make you a good person. We just conflate all these ideas in our head. Which means for instance, a psychopath may choose to work in a charity, in the third sector, so they can look like they're very giving people. That's how they worm their way in."

3. They can actually show empathy
Dark triad people are more or less devoid of empathy. But Neo said there are two types of empathy — cognitive and affective. Affective empathy is when you truly feel something for someone else, whereas cognitive empathy is the ability to recognise the feelings in others.
Narcissists and psychopaths often watch a lot of TV and films, so they are able to develop cognitive empathy and mimic the behaviours that are appropriate in those situations. For example, they may know to give you a hug, but there is no feeling behind it — they're just copying what they've learned.
"They can seem empathetic even if they lack empathy," Neo said. "But it's their everyday behaviour, what kind of contempt leaks out, that matters. If they seem empathetic towards a person, then the next thing you hear might be a strange remark, or a weird sick joke, then you know this person doesn't really have empathy."

4. They can be excessively charming
Dark triad people can turn on the charm in a matter of seconds. You may be having an argument, and they can switch it on and act like a completely different person.
Neo said when you meet someone and they are too charming, it could be because they are trying to hook you in with love bombing. It's an effective — and highly manipulative — method of making you feel like you've found your soulmate, and it often starts with the person being highly affectionate, charming, and generous.
"If it doesn't feel natural, you get goosebumps, or feel off kilter, that's a sign," she said. "We know that excessive levels of charm correlate with dark triad traits... but our bodies and brains are wired to react in a way that gets hooked on to them instead."

5. They do their homework on you
Although dark triad people are very good at making you feel like meeting them was fate, this probably isn't true. While they are love bombing you, and telling you how you're "the one," they may have orchestrated the whole relationship.
Neo said it's not uncommon for a narcissist to stalk their potential targets. She heard of one narcissistic man who stalked his wife for three years before they met.
"It's normal to maybe look someone up on Facebook before you meet them," she said. "But these people... they get sophisticated and they play the long game."
It's a common trap narcissists set for their victims, she said. They learn everything they possibly can about you, then instrument a way to meet you. Then they act as if you have so much in common because you must be "soulmates."

6. They tell you how much you mean to them
Dark triad people have had a lot of practise hooking people in then discarding them when they are no longer of any use to them, so they know exactly what to say to keep you interested.
No matter how many times they abuse and let them down, their partner always wants to see the good in them. Neo said this is down to confirmation bias, and discounting any evidence that doesn't align with our beliefs. In the case of dark triad partners, this belief is that they are actually good people underneath.
"They also like to use words like 'I really care about you,' or 'I really support you,' or even 'I love you,'" Neo said. "If someone says these words, you want to believe he supports you. You will take these words, and you will discount all the times he's an a*****e. That's how the brain works, and they know that."

7. It's never all bad
No relationship is ever going to be 100% awful. Even the most abusive and turbulent relationships have their good times, which is one of the main reasons people stay with the people who hurt them for so long.
Some people get trauma bonded to their partners, which means they are essentially chemically addicted to the intermittent love and affection they get when things are good. They also strive to get the good times back when things are really awful, because they are led to believe all the negatives in the relationship are their own fault.
"If it was all bad, it would be easy to dismiss them and walk away," Neo said. "But because there are good times... you see this flicker of humanity in them and you want to harness that."

8. They have sob stories
If you meet a narcissist, they will probably let you know how much of a hard life they've had fairly early on. Everyone goes through tough times, but according to Neo, narcissists take it to the extreme.
They will probably tell you about their abusive upbringing, their abusive ex-partners, and how their friends are awful to them. But if you listen closely, they are likely to be blaming other people for their own behaviours — that's if the stories are true at all.
"We believe that this person has a sad sob story, that it's not their fault," Neo said. "Ultimately it doesn't matter how they were made. Yes, it's sad someone has that background that shaped them in a certain way, but the big question is 'are they good to you?'"
If not, it's time to let them go.

9. They go after highly empathetic people
Narcissists know their sob stories will work on their victims, because they tend to attract highly empathetic people.
Somebody high in empathy is highly in tune with other people's emotions, and will constantly try and help out someone who they think is hurting. Unfortunately, narcissists thrive on this level of care, and use it to destroy their partner.
They know they have a partner who will love them selflessly, give them as much attention as they need, and won't be as quick as other people to walk away.
"Empathetic people will be very long suffering if a narcissist says 'I really want to change, I know I'm not perfect.'" said Shannon Thomas, a therapist, in a previous article. "They have these moments where they sort of admit fault, but they never actually follow through or believe it."

10. They gaslight you
Manipulative people, who are often dark triad personalities, gaslight their partners into believing in an alternative reality. This is when someone "screws with your sense of reality to manipulate you, causing you to distrust yourself and trust them instead," Neo said.

Narcissists, for example, may constantly lie to their victim. It starts off with a subtle untruth here and there, so the victim doesn't realise they're being brainwashed.

It's like the "frog in the saucepan" analogy: where the heat is turned up very slowly on the stove, so the frog never realises it's starting to boil to death.

After months, or even years, the victim is completely under the abuser's control.
 
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Another article from the same author, on the same site :
Manipulative people brainwash their partners using something called 'perspecticide' — here are the signs it's happening to you
Business Insider said:
Manipulative people brainwash their partners using something called 'perspecticide' — here are the signs it's happening to you
Lindsay Dodgson

Oct. 15, 2017, 12:37 PM
  • People in abusive relationships may become victim to something called "perspecticide."
  • It occurs when their abusive partner has made them believe so many things that aren't true, they no longer know what is real.
  • They are effectively a prisoner in their own life, not being allowed to do anything or even think on their own terms.
Living with a controlling or abusive partner is confusing and draining. They blame you for things that weren't your fault, or that you didn't even do, and you become isolated from your friends and family in an attempt to keep the abuser happy.
The way you see the world can also completely change, because it may be dangerous for you to know the truth.
Lisa Aronson Fontes, a psychology researcher at the University of Massachusetts Amherst and author of "Invisible Chains: Overcoming Coercive Control in Your Intimate Relationship," told Business Insider the word for this is "perspecticide."
She said the word, which basically means "the incapacity to know what you know," was first used in the literature on the brainwashing of prisoners of war, and has also been applied to people in cults.
"In an abusive or controlling relationship, over time the dominating partner changes how the victim thinks," Fontes said. "The abuser defines what love is. The abuser defines what it appropriate in terms of monitoring the partner. The abuser defines what is wrong with the victim, and what she needs to do to change it."
Over time, the victim — or survivor, if that is your preferred term — loses sense of what their own ideas, goals, and thoughts were. Instead, they start taking on those of their dominating partner.
"Through perspecticide, people give up their own opinions, religious affiliations, views of friends, goals in life, etc," Fontes said. "I am not talking about the natural mutual influencing that occurs in all intimate relationships — this is much more nefarious and one-sided."
Someone can fall into an abuser's trap in a number of ways, but it's often through psychological, emotional, or physical abuse. Once the victim has been hooked and reeled in, their partner starts to bring them down with belittling comments and insults.
However, they often pause the abuse with intermittent periods of kindness and warmth. This means the victim is trauma-bonded to their partner, constantly trying to make them happy, because they believe they deserve to be punished if they don't.

Victims become prisoners in their own lives.
The controlling partner might cut off resources like money and transportation, practically keeping the victim a prisoner. By living in fear, the victim changes how they view themselves and the world.
Fontes recalled several stories of people who had been controlled by their partners. All her examples were from women who were being abused, but it's important to note that emotional, psychological, and physical abuse can happen to anyone.
One man convinced his wife she could not have her own toothbrush, because married couples share these things. He also never let her have any privacy — she wasn't even allowed to close the door when she was using the bathroom.
Another husband slept all day so he could keep his wife up at night. He deliberately didn't let her sleep, controlled what she ate, and hid her medication, which all made her physically weak. Eventually, she even forgot her age because everything down to the way she walked was managed by someone else.
Other stories involved a woman who believed her partner could read her mind, when really he was spying on her with cameras in her house and trackers in her belongings. Another man actually told his wife he had inserted a microphone into her fillings to monitor where she went all day.
"He was actually monitoring her through other routes, but she believed what he said — she had no other explanation for why he knew everything about her days," Fontes said. "Of course, anyone who she told this to thought she was crazy. This isolated her further."
For the victim, their life is overwhelmed with wondering how to appease their controlling partner. Fontes said they may even experience physical signs of stress over time such as changes to eating and sleeping, head or back aches, and digestive problems, because they are too worried about their partner's wrath.
"A person who is being coercively controlled — even without physical violence — does not feel free to live their own life on their own terms," she said.

If you think you might be a victim of abuse of any kind, you can talk to your GP in confidence, or contact organizations such as Women's Aid and Victim Support.
 
Here's an example of this issue regarding Silicon Valley... mostly Facebook... from the guy that really started it.... until the other 'face' of it stole it and made it what it is today:
QTR #54 - Aaron Greenspan, Creator of the First Harvard "Face Book"

Quoth the Raven

Published on 28 Jul 2018


Aaron Greenspan is the self-proclaimed missing piece from the Facebook story as it has been documented in films like "The Social Network". He joins me on my podcast to talk about his role in creating the first "Face Book", why he thinks Mark Zuckerberg is a "sociopath" and "threat to national security", Facebook's most recent scandal, the stock's recent plunge, and why he believes the number of Facebook fake accounts are understated. Aaron is an entrepreneur and engineer with a background in enterprise software. He is the President & CEO of Think Computer Corporation (http://www.thinkcomputer.com), as well as the founder of Think Computer Foundation (http://www.thinkcomputer.org), a 501(c)3 non-profit organization. Aaron has worked on engineering problems involving accounting, payments, and legal systems, among others. Though not a lawyer, he has represented himself and his company before several state and federal courts, as well as the United States Patent and Trademark Office Trademark Trial and Appeal Board. Aaron has an A.B. in Economics from Harvard College and is the author of a memoir about his time there, during which he developed the predecessor to The Facebook. Aaron also contributes to legal website PlainSite. In addition to making huge volumes of data accessible to the public free of charge, PlainSite lets ordinary citizens impact the law-making process.

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It's long... a couple hours, and I skipped through a lot of the first 30 or so minutes... of his personal stuff, though some of it was tied into what became FB as we know it today. Much of situation seems rather cliche at times... the pathology etc.
 
This analysis by Bombard's Body Language was really educating. It's hard to say if this individual is a psychopath, but a chronic liar anyway. It's fascinating to see half way through the video how, when confronted with irrefutable facts, this girl pulls out the victim card. It's also frightening; the lack of normal processes going on in these individuals' brains is staggering.

 
Here is the full interview which is even more fascinating. Brace yourself for serious reality bending at every turn from that woman. Notice also how easy it is to fall for her nonsense if you don't pay strict attention to her maneuvers that appeal to normal human feelings in others. At every turn she tries to lure you away from the facts and appeal to emotions. I think this is a good textbook example of a pathological liar at best. Probably a female Psychopath. What she is doing, even during the interview at every turn, is quite a bit more than just narcissism I think. Notice also that on top of her taking advantage of many serious ill people who really have serious conditions like brain cancer with what she did, and thus risking their lives, she tries in at least three occasions in the video to blame someone else directly for what she has done, in one case even a real person, who will suffer for it. Notice for example when the interviewer exposed another very obvious lie of her and pressed on it, while she tried to deflect, she went the "I was abused early in life" route in saying "someone who was really prominent in my childhood was stalking me".

The sheer amount of reality bending and appeal to emotions she performs in this short segment alone is incredible. Everytime you think her lies couldn't be more obvious, she pulls out another pity me routine and/or creates a "plausible explanation" for it, that anyone can very easily fall into who hasn't clear boundaries, is living in the "be nice" mode, is not fully aware of pathology or is living in the illusion "that all others think, feel and act the same as I do".

Creepy, but also very educating:

 
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It is even more interesting to observe the tendencies in ourselves when watching this to automatically brush over the myriad of inconsistencies in her stories, and feeling a certain automatic push to "just believe her", "be nice" since she is so "vulnerable", "pitiful" and since "she surely can't make that up", which can leave you with a very bad taste in the mouth afterwards, as well as a confused feeling that can only be described as the attempt of a "mind virus" trying to take over your brain.

It is even more scary to think that there are much, much more skilled and intelligent manipulators out there.
 
It is an excellent video. I watched it very carefully. It is very interesting how very subtle signs can reveal a lot about a person.
This kind of knowledge and awareness in the real world can be a very powerful tool.
I will watch the full interview that Pashalis posted later when I have some free time.
 
These very short subtle signs are micro-expressions. This happens when the emotion-center (amygdala) of the brain responds to something and the person wishes to hide this specific emotion for others. The person will for a split second display their true emotions followed by a false emotional verbal reaction, a lie.
The work of psychologist Paul Ekman on micro-expressions is very interesting to look at. There is also a very interesting tv-serie 'Lie to me' in which Cal Lightman (character is based on mister Ekman) helps people by using his knowledge of human behavior to determine whether a person is lying or not. Mind blowing to actually spot micro-expressions for the first time irl... they are very short but very real.
 
I wish the Bombard lady would do an analysis on 'The Medical Medium', a.k.a. Anthony William. Now, there's another real charlatan, who makes a lot of money by endagering people's health. He has millions of followers, and his books are topping the charts of health books. I have one relative (who sadly is a total 'Medical Medium believer), who bought me his book 'Liver Rescue' for me as a Christmas present, and I couldn't read more than 10 pages...complete hoax...makes me angry!

I've written on Bombard's Twitter feed asking her to do it, we'll see...
 
Watching that first video, I was so slow reading the signs. What an education, especially as I am sure I must use some of the same ploys in my interaction with other people. I really must smarten up on my self remembering. Very ugly traits when you see them in real life. Thank you Aragorn for showing that clip.
 
Two things that jump out for me about Belle - the first is how she kept using Tara's name in almost every sentence - particularly towards the end where she was getting boxed in by the facts. I don't know what it is that's uncomfortable about that - whether it's the tone or the repetition or that the use of Tara's name accompanies a lie that is told with such confidence and a total lack of any doubt that it will be believed, but if it isn't then Tara's the idiot - or something like that.

The other is a statement that Belle made along the lines of 'suffering the details over and over again'. It's kind of like there's an expectation that the past lies will be forgotten and it's inconvenient to her new cover up narratives that the past details keep getting bought up.

These are two things in particular that I recall from conversations with my ex who once admitted that she would say and do anything it took to get her own way. She used to get angry when I remembered details that shot holes in her statements and accuse me of not being able to let things go or being resentful or perfectionistic or....whatever come to mind at the time. And then would come a confident lie that included my name in the statement with a similar tone to what Belle was using with Tara.

The other thing that comes up for me with that is that for someone who has apparently lost everything, she isn't really that upset. Ya gotta wonder if she's just going to move on to the next scam just as easily as the last one.

I don't know but it kind of hurts to listen to - kind of like you can feel your brain trying to slide in a direction that will accept the narrative and pulling it back jars it or something.
 
This reminds me of the book "Spy The Lie - Former CIA officers teach you how to detect deception", in which the authors describe in detail how to detect lies and how to go about interviewing potential liars. One of the core ideas is that if "truth is your ally", you will speak and act very differently than if "truth is your enemy". It's a great book.
 
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