2 Enemies – Obstacles

[Menna]

I was reading through some information and came across how programs are developed. When we are young there are high/vulnerable emotional times in our lives and this is when these programs are imprinted in our brain. Now it is our job to educate ourselves on psychology and the work and work on ourselves to know ourselves and rewire or recognize these programs when they arise and not react to them let them pass.(I have been better at this lately when these programs arise, jealousy, too nice, pleasing I feel different I can almost feel the difference in me it has a bad taste.)

Then there are the Lizzies that interject thoughts into our mind to feed off of our emotions. I am guessing this is what the C's mean by expect attack/be vigilant. (Is this food for the 4D STS only negative emotions or is it any and every emotion?) (Is this the predators mind, or is the predators mind our programs?)

If I am off in what I have said above please correct me.

Are these two enemies - our programs and the lizzies the two major obstacles in our way or are there others out there?

Any insight would be great. Thanks

 

[agni]

Hi Menna !

I think, in work-wise terms it would be better off to take Lizzies out of equation. Their existence and their effect on us is hypothesis. You can't see/spot/identify their influence, which can't be said for the programs. And you can only work with what you have. Programs have a nasty tendency to look for obstacles outsides ourselves. So, watch out :p

 

[Menna]

"Programs have a nasty tendency to look for obstacles outsides ourselves. So, watch out :p"

Wow yes thank you. Almost like making up a problem out of nothing something that is probably not a problem at all. I do this and then obsess over it very draining and keeps me in illusions of what is. Thank you for this.

 

[Mountain Crown]

I think, in work-wise terms it would be better off to take Lizzies out of equation.

I wonder if this is necessary advice. There’s plenty of evidence to support the hypothesis as well as the fact of mass mind manipulation technology here in 3D. Gurdjieff also spoke of cosmic influences beyond our control.

The main point is that we are vulnerable to attack because we are mechanical, and the front line of defense is to know the machine.

Is this food for the 4D STS only negative emotions or is it any and every emotion? Is this the predators mind, or is the predators mind our programs?

It’s my understanding that 4D STS food is the coarse negative emotions, (fear, hate, jealousy to name a few) and that the predator’s mind is you, being the sum of all programs (memory, or imprinted reactions)and their projections via the imagination onto present and future scenarios.

 

[Mrs. Peel]

I was reading through some information and came across how programs are developed. When we are young there are high/vulnerable emotional times in our lives and this is when these programs are imprinted in our brain. Now it is our job to educate ourselves on psychology and the work and work on ourselves to know ourselves and rewire or recognize these programs when they arise and not react to them let them pass.(I have been better at this lately when these programs arise, jealousy, too nice, pleasing I feel different I can almost feel the difference in me it has a bad taste.)

Then there are the Lizzies that interject thoughts into our mind to feed off of our emotions. I am guessing this is what the C's mean by expect attack/be vigilant. (Is this food for the 4D STS only negative emotions or is it any and every emotion?) (Is this the predators mind, or is the predators mind our programs?)

If I am off in what I have said above please correct me.

Are these two enemies - our programs and the lizzies the two major obstacles in our way or are there others out there?Any insight would be great. Thanks

Hi Menna,

Are you getting your info from the Wave Series? It's really hard to answer your last question, there are so many obstacles out there, have you read ISOTM by chance?

 

[Menna]

Jerry...Thanks for clearing that up I understand now.

Ms. Peel - Yes that questions leaves the door wide open to the many obstacles such as narcassistic family, jobs, petty drams etc. To narrow it down are their any other obstacles similar to the preditors mind and the 4D STS feeding/manipulation?

I can almost feel when the preditors mind is taking over - I believe when I "day dream" it is its strongest, trying to make up imaginary situation about future, thinking about the past and what could have/ should have happened. I am starting to see it now. During this time I try to come back to "The Now" and that helps but I am sometimes lazy and just let it take over

I know that working on the self comes first and I am no where close to having myself under control I still have many I's... I am asking for experiences from others if they are able to notice when their thoughts are being manipulated from other beings. What seems different, what feels different etc

 

[agni]

I think, in work-wise terms it would be better off to take Lizzies out of equation.

I wonder if this is necessary advice. There’s plenty of evidence to support the hypothesis

Hi Jerry,

What evidence would it be to support that hypothesis ?

 

[Buddy]

[quote author=Menna]
Are these two enemies - our programs and the lizzies the two major obstacles in our way or are there others out there?

Any insight would be great. Thanks[/quote]

About the "lizzies": I'm quite certain Laura wrote somewhere that "lizzy" is a conceptual/metaphorical device for describing the "flavor" of certain energies. Your reference to a "bad taste" may be somewhat helpful to you here - especially if you can develop this mode of recognition even more. FWIW from my view, though, being concerned with "lizzies" is not necessary for justifying Work on self.

A point about "negative" emotions: they can be held under the neck (assuming they're not overwhelming) for possible transmutation purposes or they can be expressed. Esoterically speaking, expressing negative emotions in our typical destructive kinds of ways is equivalent to consenting to sinking to the "Lizzy" level so those lazy dingbats can hook up with us and siphon off that energy.

Nice trick, making us justify going to all the trouble to feed them, huh?

[quote author=Menna]
I am asking for experiences from others if they are able to notice when their thoughts are being manipulated from other beings. What seems different, what feels different etc[/quote]

If any of my thoughts are being manipulated from 'other beings', I can't say that I'm aware of it in any meaningful way.

 

[Renaissance]

Hey Menna, the below are fairly recent threads have been helpful for gaining more insight into our programming. You might find them (and the associated books) of use if you haven't read them already.

The Adaptive Unconscious
Redirect: The surprising new science of psychological change
Thinking, Fast And Slow

 

[Bobo08]

I am asking for experiences from others if they are able to notice when their thoughts are being manipulated from other beings. What seems different, what feels different etc

I think Jerry's point is important to keep in mind here, that we are vulnerable to attack because we are mechanical. We are machines, and respond to any input like machines, regardless of whether that input comes from hyperdimensional beings, other people or circumstances.

Shane's list is very useful if you wish to gain more insight about our mechanical nature from the modern perspective. Personally, I found that easier to "grok" than the esoteric perspective. Not that the latter is not useful though.

 

[Kaigen]

I was reading through some information and came across how programs are developed. When we are young there are high/vulnerable emotional times in our lives and this is when these programs are imprinted in our brain. Now it is our job to educate ourselves on psychology and the work and work on ourselves to know ourselves and rewire or recognize these programs when they arise and not react to them let them pass.(I have been better at this lately when these programs arise, jealousy, too nice, pleasing I feel different I can almost feel the difference in me it has a bad

That was my program. I'm controlling it now always when it's arise. I can feel it coming and I'm able to stop this program. It was difficult on the beginning this came over me like a hurricane of emotions. Where is my wife, with who, what is she doing, and so on. I was going crazy. Than I realized after reading in the forum, it was not her, it was about me and my thoughts. So I began to control them and now I'm always aware when situations happens, when I think something like this, I calm down emediately.

One thing is, after I had control over this emotions: jealousy, something begun to change in my neck. I can feel phisycal changes in my neck area. Is this possible? Probably through paleo diet and changes in life style, like sleep in darknes, no coffee.

For shore there is something out there what implant thoughts in us. I witnessed several times in the past, attacks on my self, in the mass where I couldn't stand it up. It came without warning and took over me.

 

[Mountain Crown]

I think, in work-wise terms it would be better off to take Lizzies out of equation.

I wonder if this is necessary advice. There’s plenty of evidence to support the hypothesis

Hi Jerry,

What evidence would it be to support that hypothesis ?

Hi agni,

I would refer to the following:

Around a hundred years of mathematical support for the hyperdimensional nature of reality.

The works of John Keel.

The works of Jacques Vallee.

 

[Mountain Crown]

[quote author=Menna]What seems different, what feels different[/quote]

Sometimes I've noticed programmed thought loops or general moods occurring without the presence of a trigger.

There are times when music will be repeating over and over mechanically in my head for no apparent reason producing certain feelings unrelated to anything happening at the time.

What's particularly annoying is that due to the nature of subjectivity itself, the most I can admit to is that these are only suggestive of outside manipulation.

 

[Nienna]

[quote author=Menna]What seems different, what feels different

Sometimes I've noticed programmed thought loops or general moods occurring without the presence of a trigger.

There are times when music will be repeating over and over mechanically in my head for no apparent reason producing certain feelings unrelated to anything happening at the time.

What's particularly annoying is that due to the nature of subjectivity itself, the most I can admit to is that these are only suggestive of outside manipulation.
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We are always acting mechanically, running various programs unless we are self-remembering and self-observing ourselves. And these only last for a short time before we forget ourselves and go back to our mechanical default mode. Or so I think.

 

[agni]

I think, in work-wise terms it would be better off to take Lizzies out of equation.

I wonder if this is necessary advice. There’s plenty of evidence to support the hypothesis

Hi Jerry,

What evidence would it be to support that hypothesis ?

Hi agni,

I would refer to the following:

Around a hundred years of mathematical support for the hyperdimensional nature of reality.

The works of John Keel.

The works of Jacques Vallee.

I am not questioning hyperdimensional nature of reality. I have the idea about influences out there, yet what it has to do with Lizzies ? The concept of malevolent forces out there still could be our limited representation of natural forces out there. We are not on that field yet, IMHO it's pointless to see them as enemy. It's like a story with Evil Magician. Sure magician has questionable nature, sure one can blame Evil Magician for mischiefs one have, and shocking lies fed, and blatant sinister manipulation, but the real enemy of that sheep are themselves, their ignorance and unawareness. Because while these qualities present in sheep, so will the Evil Magicians who exploit it.