7 Densities vs. 7 Planes (Astral, Mental, Causal etc.)

[axj]

I was trying to find an answer to this question here on the forum or in the sessions, but came up with nothing.

How do the 7 densities relate to the 7 planes of existence? Many if not most spiritual traditions talk about 7 planes of existence that correspond to 7 "bodies" or centers that humans can potentially have. So there is the physical, etheric, astral, mental, causal and three higher planes.

For example, it is usually said that after death most people go to the astral plane. So the astral plane or parts of it are the 5th density?

 

[Laura]

Apparently, planes and densities are not the same thing. You can imagine planes as being more or less horizontal and densities being more or less vertical, though even that configuration is not entirely accurate and presents certain problems.

One thing the Cs once said about this:

Q: (L) In the natural state, we know that a photon can have
an interaction which causes it to split into positron and
an electron. In the natural state, do electrons come from
photons?
A: No.
Q: Okay. In the natural state, where do electrons come from?
A: Aether boundary with material continuum.
Q: Where does the proton come from?
A: 7th density.
Q: So, a proton comes from seventh density, but the electron
does not.
A: Not mutually exclusive.
Q: In a substance that conducts electricity, say an
electrical wire, you have a circuit where, essentially,
electrons get passed from atom to atom along this pathway.
And, yet, they don't run out, and they don't really get
used, it is only the resistance that causes heat that
causes the incandescence...
A: Gravity center of planet is also "window" to

all other
density levels and dimensional planes of existence

, which
is why electrically charged atoms "ground" in order to
pass on to other planes through gravity binder.

So, according to the Cs, planes are dimensions and densities are levels. There can be any number of dimensions on a given density level, apparently.

Here is a little exchange that adds a bit of detail:

Q: (L) I would like to know how many lifetimes I have had as
a human being?
A: That is open to definition.
Q: (L) Well, on planet Earth.
A: Including Neanderthal?
Q: (L) No, we'll just pass that up.
A: Okay, then it is 79 in broken sequence.
Q: (L) Broken by what?
A: Other planes.
Q: (L) The same question for F____?
A: Same exactly.
Q: (L) How many for S__? Same?
A: No. Not correct definition of answer.
Q: (L) What would be correct for her?
A: Not same exact sequence. 72 plus 4 as special learning
channel "hold back" on contemplative plane AKA 5th density
level.
Q: (L) S__ is a 5th level soul?
A: No. Spent 4 sequence hold overs there.

Another:

A: ....Tell A that "aether" is Terran
material science's attempt to address ether. The trouble
is, there is simply no way to physicalize a plane of
existence which is composed entirely of consciousness. It
is the union of perfect balance between the two "states"
or planes, that is the foundation and essence of all
creation/reality. You cannot have one without the other!
Q: (L) When you say the two states or planes, you are saying
the physical state and the state of consciousness...
A: Yes.
Q: (L) And you can't have one without the other. And the
state of consciousness and the state of material existence
are so completely connected, that both are infinite? One
cannot exist without the other...
A: Yes, connected, intertwined, bonded... Merged.

Another exchange that reveals a bit more:

Q: Well, here is another nifty thing that somebody sent along that raises some issues. I'll skip over the intro and get to the interesting remark where it says: "And so it is now. There are those upon your planet who would call themselves "human," but in their actions, thoughts, and words would appear to be some kind of monster--without feelings for others or others' pain and suffering. The "love quotient" in these individuals is nearly absent, but that is part of their learning, too. Think of the one you called Hitler. Was he enlightened? Was he happy? Was he satisfied with what his life brought him? The answer is clearly "No." And so the soul of this one you called Hitler is still on the inner planes, mulling over the effects of that life, trying to understand what went so horribly wrong."

(L) I don't think this individual really understands the nature of STS, that Hitler wasn't lacking in the "love quotient" at all. It's just that his love quotient, which was exceedingly high, was directed toward self. My question is: was Hitler happy and satisfied with what his life brought him?
A: Initially.
Q: And I think that the only thing he might be unhappy about is how he failed to be more
successful as a totally dedicated STS being.
A: Yes.
Q: Is he still on the inner planes trying to understand what went wrong?
A: No.
Q: What is Hitler doing right now? Planning on coming back and trying to do it again?
[Laughter] Seriously, what is Hitler doing now?
A: Soul in transit.
Q: To where? Does that mean he isn't at 5th density?
A: No.
Q: He's already been there?
A: Floater.
Q: What's a floater?
A: Returnee.
Q: He is floating around and waiting to come into a body?
A: Yes.
Q: You mean he's already done 5th density and is ready to incarnate again?
A: Yes.
Q: Well, that's a scary thought! Just so we know, does it happen to be here on earth?
A: Wait and see.
Q: Well, that sounds ominous. Is this something others will know about once it happens?
A: Maybe.

Another problem is the effort that has been made for centuries, if not millennia, to explain the paranormal (other worlds) that may not have developed quite accurately due to the fact that densities were excluded from awareness.

Q: (A) Now, I was reading in the transcripts that sleep is necessary for human beings because it was a period of rest and recharging. You also said that the SOUL rests while the body is sleeping. So, the question is: what source of energy is tapped to recharge both the body and the soul?
A: The question needs to be separated. What happens to a souled individual is different from an organic portal unit.
Q: (L) I guess that means that the life force energy that is embodied in Organic Portals is something like the soul pool that is theorized to exist for flora and fauna. This would, of course, explain the striking and inexplicable similarity of psychopaths, that is so well defined that they only differ from one another in the way that different species of trees are different in the overall class of Tree-ness. So, if they don't have souls, where does the energy come from that recharges Organic Portals?
A: The pool you have described.
Q: Does the recharging of the souled being come from a similar pool, only maybe the "human" pool?
A: No - it recharges from the so-called sexual center which is a higher center of creative energy. During sleep, the emotional center, not being blocked by the lower intellectual cener and the moving center, transduces the energy from the sexual center. It is also the time during which the higher emotional and intellectual centers can rest from the "drain" of the lower centers' interaction with those pesky organic portals so much loved by the lower centers. This respite alone is sufficient to make a difference. But, more than that, the energy of the sexual center is also more available to the other higher centers.
Q: (L) Well, the next logical question was: where does the so-called "sexual center" get ITS energy?
A: The sexual center is in direct contact with 7th density in its "feminine" creative thought of "Thou, I Love." The "outbreath" of "God" in the relief of constriction. Pulsation. Unstable Gravity Waves.
Q: Do the "centers" as described by Mouravieff relate at all to the idea of "chakras?"
A: Quite closely. In an individual of the organic variety, the so-called higher chakras are "produced in effect" by stealing that energy from souled beings. This is what gives them the ability to emulate souled beings. The souled being is, in effect, perceiving a mirror of their own soul when they ascribe "soul qualities" to such beings.
Q: Is this a correspondence that starts at the basal chakra which relates to the sexual center as described by Mouravieff?
A: No. The "sexual center" corresponds to the solar plexus.
Lower moving center - basal chakra
Lower emotional - sexual chakra
Lower intellectual - throat chakra
Higher emotional - heart chakra
Higher intellectual - crown chakra
Q: (L) What about the so-called seventh, or "third eye" chakra?
A: Seer. The union of the heart and intellectual higher centers.
[Laura's note: This would "close the circuit" in the "shepherd's crook"
configuration.]
Q: (V) What about the many ideas about 12 chakras, and so forth, that are currently being taught by many new age sources? [Barbara Marciniak, for one.]
A: There are no such. This is a corrupted conceptualization based on the false belief that the activation of the physical endocrine system is the same as the creation and fusion of the magnetic center. The higher centers are only "seated" by being "magnetized." And this more or less "External" condition [location of the higher centers] has been perceived by some individuals and later joined to the perceived "seating" locations, in potential. This has led to "cross conceptualization" based on assumption!
Q: Are the levels of initiation and levels of the staircase as presented
by Mouravieff fairly accurate?
A: Yes, but different levels accessed in other so-called lives can relieve
the intensity of some levels in "another" life.
Q: (L) So work on the self in different incarnations - assuming one is not an organic portal - can be cumulative? You can pick up where you left off if you screw up?
A: Yes. To some extent.

A: How do you perceive the reincarnation process to be?
Q: (LC) I perceive it as you come back with people you choose to come back with, and that you choose people that you are karmically connected to. (I) I see it a little bit differently than that...
A: Aha! We have a variance!
Q: (I) I think that when we die and go to 5th density, that we make pacts with people in each incarnation, so when you come back, it is coming back to fulfill that pact. (LC) Yes, that is the way my line of thinking is going. But, when they asked that question, I was thinking that you have people you come back with because of closeness. Somebody may be your mother in one life, and there is a love bond, and then there are other people that you come back with because you have to resolve something to let go of that person rather than to get closer.
A: This is partially correct. But, there is more to it than this. For example, one can incarnate on various planes of existence, not just the one you perceive currently. And, one may actually reincarnate on more than one plane concurrently, if one is advanced enough to do this.
Q: (I) You know, a psychic told me that I had two lives going on at once... (L) Are you suggesting that ...
A: Yes, we are!
Q: (L) I was thinking it, but they didn't let me finish. For the record, I was thinking that we are all part of the same soul unit here.
A: To an extent, but you may not yet understand what exactly a "soul unit" is in that sense. And of course, there is more than one sense for this as well. The "trick" that 3rd density STS life forms will learn, either prior to transition to 4th density, or at the exact juncture, is to think in absolutely limitless terms. The first and most solid step in this process is to not anticipate at all. This is most difficult for you. We understand this, but this as also why we keep reiterating this point. For example, imagine if one of your past lives is also a future life?
...
Q: (P) Now, I just want to say that I think that we have all of us here traveled back in time to change the way things are now. We inserted ourselves into this time period to wake up and see what is really happening. This is 3rd density thinking, I know, but it is the only way I can describe it. We looked back on the way things happened, the way the world is now, and we have come back to change things. We have come from the future, to wake up now, because we didn't wake up before. (C) Maybe that's our "past life/future life" connection here? (P) Right, we all agreed to insert ourselves in this time line.... (L) So, we ARE from the future... (P) Because the world is going in this direction, and SOMETHING had to be done. That's what I see. (I) Yes. We all decided to come back, but there was a strong possibility that we would not be able to wake up and link up. And that's why so many things happened to attempt to keep us from getting together. (P) Not just that, things happen to keep us from waking up period! We've all been bombarded with stuff all our lives. (I) Yes, and when we started waking up, and realized that we HAD to come together to "link" to DO whatever it is we are going to do, there has to be all kinds of things to prevent it - like Caroline's cats, even! [Laughter] (S) I would like to ask a question about synchronicity...
A: Wait a minute... someone said something a short while ago that is surprisingly close to the truth. Now just a moment... reflect please.
Q: (L) Polly was saying that we have come back from the future and inserted ourselves into this timeline...
A: Yes. That is close to being totally correct!
Q: (L) In terms of reincarnation, that we were talking about a few minutes before that, we are possibly incarnations of ourselves incarnated at different levels. This just happens to be one of the levels of reality that we are occupying, but there are other selves at other levels thinking and doing other level stuff, and these other levels are perceived by us as the future...
A: Maybe for some of you, but let us not get ahead of ourselves.
Q: (P) The C's say that they are US in the future. So, we, being THEM in the future, some of who they are in the future, have come back as us, to do what we are doing, to undo what is happening on Earth...
A: Close, but more complex than that. It would be difficult for you to completely understand at this point, but let us just say that you are close.
...
Q: (A) Well, Polly bingoed on what she said about coming back from the future. (I) They said I should reflect, so maybe we should reflect on other things...
A: You should reflect upon all that is in the reflection!
Q: (L) Everything. What is the reason for the use of the term "reflection?" (A) We never have left our source of origin...
A: "Alice through the looking glass."
Q: (L) When she went through the mirror, she was in an alternate reality. (I) Are we in an alternate reality?
A: Yup. But then again, are not all realities "alternate?"
...
Q: (I) I had that feeling. I went back and read "Supernovae, Vehicle of Ascension?" Did whatever happen with that supernova , is it affecting us....
A: The more interesting question would be, what about the NEXT supernova?!?
Q: (I) There is one coming up, and that's going to be the wave? Or...
A: No, no, no. No anticipation, please.
Q: (L) Well, that's pretty hard when you said "what about the NEXT one!"
A: Reflection, yes, but anticipation? No!
Q: (I) We have to go back to this reflection thing because they keep sending us there. (C) One thing that was said awhile ago was that maybe we, as a group, have created some kind of energy or barrier. (P) I think we are creating a possibility that would not have existed if we had NOT come together here.
A: Yes, but that is generally true in most similar circumstances. The question is the degree to which there is significance.
Q: (I) How significant a possibility are we creating here now?
A: That is for you to see.
Q: (I) So, we don't know. We sense something very important about changing the universe. (L) I think that it is also up to us, individually and as a group, to choose how we respond to the upcoming events. The saying "many are called, few are chosen" should be rephrased to say "Many are called, but few choose to answer the call." (P) Everyone is called! (L) Yes. But so many succumb to the attacks, can't overcome the blocks and barriers, and choose to continue to view life in mundane, surface terms. When push comes to shove, how many really DO answer. It is a very subtle thing to read the signs and "see the unseen" in the morass of conflicting signals that the 3rd density reality sends to block our vision. (P) Yes. Animals have an abundance of young in order that some will survive. I think there is an abundance of us so that some WILL wake up. The odds are against it, so there HAS to be an abundance of us that have come back for this reason. (S) The sea turtles. (P) There is no guarantee that we would all wake up. (I) Yes, and SOME of us could go back to sleep! (P) Yes. (L) It is a constant danger to all of us. There was an interesting thing that a reader sent to me about the fact that there is a moment, a crucial point of choosing, and it is called in the Don Juan tradition "The Cry of the Eagle." A soul is called to choose a singular act that will change their life forever, and either they respond, or they don't. And, once the call has come, once the moment has come, if they don't choose, the call never comes again because the moment is gone forever. It's a soul summons. If they turn away from it, or think that it will come again, or that there will be other opportunities, then they are choosing to NOT respond, and it never comes again. Either you do it or you don't. (LC) And, of course, that is when the attacks really start!
A: No, Linda, the attacks are ongoing.
Q: (I) The attacks are always there, but it is just when you start to awaken you start to become aware of what they are and have the choice of perceiving the nature of them and choosing to overcome them, or to think that it is just stuff that happens, and you have to "go with it." or submit to the circumstances...
A: Yes. Awareness is the key; knowledge protects, ignorance endangers.
...
A: We wish to review some things first. The concept of a "master race" put forward by the Nazis was merely a 4th density STS effort to create a physical vehicle with the correct frequency resonance vibration for 4th density STS souls to occupy in 3rd density. It was also a "trial run" for planned events in what you perceive to be your future.
Q: (L) You mean with a strong STS frequency so they can have a "vehicle" in 3rd density, so to speak?
A: Correct. Frequency resonance vibration! Very important.
Q: (L) So, that is why they are programming and experimenting? And all these folks running around who some think are "programmed," could be individuals who are raising their nastiness levels high enough to accommodate the truly negative STS 4th density - sort of like walk-ins or something, only not nice ones?
A: You do not have very many of those present yet, but that was, and still is, the plan of some of the 4th density STS types.

Q: (L) Can you describe what it was that was taking place with her? Or define it?
A: Soul bilocation.
Q: (L) So, it was not exactly a state, as the Sufis describe?
A: No.
Q: (L) And where did she bilocate to?
A: Not easily explainable.
Q: (L) Was it to another density or dimension? Or parallel univers or spiritual domain? (T) Norfolk Naval Station? [Laughter] Destination of bilocation! (L) Was this a beneficial event for her?
A: No. She has been ripping open the fabric too much.
Q: (V) Do you know what that means? (TM) The fabric of this dimension? (L) Is T correct? The fabric of this dimension?
A: Close. Each soul has its own patterning, which is held in place by the three bodies of existence [planchette swirls a few times] ... “thought center, spirit center and physical center,” there are specific methodologies for adjusting these, and travelling into or out of other planes of existence. When one does not properly utilize these, one tears the fabric of their trilateral continuum when they seek to travel. This can be very problematic, and may lead to the soul being unable to reconnect with the body, thus causing the physical center to
perish!!!

A: ...
Remember your "historical records" can be distorted, in
order to throw off future inquiries, such as your own.
Q: I know that. I have already figured that one out! But,
it seems that no one else has made this connection. I
mean, the bloodlines that converge in the Percys and the
Mortimers are incredible!
A: You should know that these bloodlines become parasitically
infected, harrassed and tinkered with whenever a quantum
leap of awareness is imminent.
Q: Whenever a quantum leap...
A: Such as "now." ... Here is something for you to digest: Why is it that
your scientists have overlooked the obvious when they
insist that alien beings cannot travel to earth from a
distant system???
Q: And what is this obvious thing?
A: Even if speed of light travel, or "faster," were not
possible, and it is, of course, there is no reason why an
alien race could not construct a space "ark," living for
many generations on it. They could travel great distances
through time and space, looking for a suitable world for
conquest. Upon finding such, they could then install this
ark in a distant orbit, build bases upon various solid
planes in that solar system, and proceed to patiently
manipulate the chosen civilizations to develop a suitable
technological infrastructure. And then, after the
instituting of a long, slow, and grand mind programming
project, simply step in and take it over once the
situation was suitable.
Q: Is this, in fact, what has happened, or is happening?
A: It could well be, and maybe now it is the time for you to
learn about the details.
Q: Well, would such a race be 3rd or 4th density in
orientation?
A: Why not elements of both?
Q: What is the most likely place that such a race would have
originated from?
A: Oh, maybe Orion, for example?
Q: Okay. If such a race did, in fact, travel to this location
in space/time, how many generations have come and gone on
their space ark during this period of travel, assuming, of
course, that such a thing has happened?
A: Maybe 12.
Q: Okay, that implies that they have rather extended life
spans...
A: Yes...
Q: Assuming this to be the case, what are their lifespans?
A: 2,000 of your years.
Q: Okay, assuming such a bunch have traveled...
A: When in space, that is...
Q: And what is the span when on terra firma?
A: 800 years.
Q: Well, has it not occurred to them that staying in space
might not be better?
A: No. Planets are much more "comfortable."
Q: Okay... imagining that such a group has traveled here...
A: We told you of upcoming conflicts... Maybe we meant the
same as your Bible, and other references. Speak of... The
"final" battle between "good and evil..." Sounds a bit
cosmic, when you think of it, does it not?
Q: Does this mean that there is more than one group that has
traveled here in their space arks?
A: Could well be another approaching, as well as
"reinforcements" for either/or, as well as non-involved,
but interested observers of various types who appreciate
history from the sidelines.
Q: Well, SWELL! There goes my peaceful life!
A: You never had one!

Q: Well, I can't go any further with that because I know
nothing about railguns, not even what they are. Now, let
me read this text:
"I have recently come into possession of a paper on
magneto-gravitics and field resonance systems, presented
by A.C. Holt from NASA Johnson Space Center to the
American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics' 16th
Joint Propulsion Conference, June 30-July 2, 1980. Holt
presents a project using an already existing system known
as the Coherent Field and Energy Resonance System
(CoFERS) [probably located at Los Alamos Labs' High
Magnetic Field Research Laboratory]. CoFERS utilizes a
toroidal-shaped energy guide with megagauss magnetic
field sources located along radius vectors equally spaced
around the toroid. CoFERS is shaped like a thick flying
disc. Holt goes on to say: "By converying an object's
normal space-time energy pattern to an energy pattern
which differs substantially from the normal pattern,
the gravitational forces acting on the object are
changed. The object's new pattern interacts with the
surrounding space-time and virtual energy patterns, such
that the interactive forces are substantially altered.
The alteration of the characteristics of the continuous
field of force results in the apparent motion of the
object *through space-time*." [...] "Since the
gravitational forces acting on the propulsion system can
be quickly altered to achieve the desired motion, the
*spacecraft* can make right-angle turns at very-high
velocities without adversely affecting the crew or system
elements. The effective gravitational field the
*spacecraft/ aircraft* experiences can be nearly
simultaneously reoriented at a 90-degree angle, resulting
in a smooth continuous motion as far as the occupants are
concerned." [ ... ] "The gravimagnetic system is perhaps
best suited for use in and around ... a large mass such
as the Earth."
"While the gravimagnetic system is likely to be the first
field-dependent propulsion system developed, the field
resonance system will **bring stellar and galactic travel
out of the realm of science fiction**. The field
resonance system artificially generates an energy pattern
which precisely matches or resonates with a virtual
pattern associated with a distent space-time point.
According to the model, if a fundamental or precise
resonance is established, (using hydromagnetic wave fine-
tuning techniques), the spacecraft will be very strongly
and equally repelled by surrounding virtual patterns. At
the same time, through the virtual many-dimensional
structure of space-time, a very strong attraction with
the virtual pattern of a distant space-time point will
exist. ...this combination of very strong forces will
result in the translocation of the spacecraft from its
initial position through the many-dimensional virtual
structure to the distant space-time point. [ ... ] "A
space-time 'jump' already appears to be supported by
astrophysical research."
Having read this text, my thought is that it is very
similar to what I was talking about earlier today, and
which was explicated by Karl von Eckertshausen in regards
to the 'violin allegory.' That is, that a violin string
tuned to a particular pitch, if plucked, will cause the
identical string on another violin across the room tuned
to the same pitch to sound also. However, it seems that
what they are doing here is setting up a 'pitch' in this
object which actually exists somewhere else. And, by
creating this resonance, it 'becomes' or disappears from
this point in space/time where its resonance is no longer
appropriate, and reappears at the point in space/time
where the 'tuned resonance' actually exists. It is both
virtual and real. Is this text on the right track, and am
I understanding it correctly?
A: Propulsion system for 3rd and 4th density Alien
spacecraft.
Q: That is the propulsion system?
A: Very close, yes.
Q: Is my understanding close to correct?
A: Well, that is a clever anecdotal parallel as it matches
conceptually, which is really the point, isn't it?
Q: The point? Are you saying that the anecdote is more to
the point than what this paper is saying?
A: In terms of consciousness, which is why everything exists
ultimately, and with gravity as the "glue" that holds
all on physical and ethereal planes together!
Q: Is the object to 'dematerialize' or is the object to
transpose something that is material to some other point
in space/time? I mean, when you collapse the gravity
wave, is it necessarily that the object or person
'dematerializes' or 'disappears' from this point...
A: Break the veil of "time," and dematerialzation is no
longer necessary, because one enters the realm of pure
consciousness, where the illusion of physicality serves no
longer, a purpose.
Q: Is it an issue for one to be able to retain internal
coherence if one is no longer in a physical state?
A: Internal coherence can only be guaranteed in a purely non-
physical "state." And this state is really only a state
of mind, anyway!!
Q: If one were to travel in this manner, would it not be a
temptation to not return to the physical reality?
A: If one goes bowling, is it a temptation to not return to
the parking lot?
Q: I guess if your only choice was the parking lot, I guess
you would want to stay, but if going to the parking lot
meant getting in your car and going home, then no. Now,
glue. The thing is that one has to 'unglue' oneself? Is
that the point?
A: No.
Q: Well, if gravity is what holds material and ethereal
existence together, and you are going from material into
ethereal states...
A: By your definition, you would be unglued, since you
perceive the physical, and thus are not completely stuck.
Q: So, you still have the ability to perceive the physical
reality and the physical world when you are traveling this
way, therefore you are not completely 'stuck.' However,
we have talked about people who do get completely 'stuck,'
is this correct?
A: Close.

 

[axj]

Apparently, planes and densities are not the same thing. You can imagine planes as being more or less horizontal and densities being more or less vertical, though even that configuration is not entirely accurate and presents certain problems.

So, according to the Cs, planes are dimensions and densities are levels. There can be any number of dimensions on a given density level, apparently.

Thanks Laura.

One thing that does not quite fit are the highest planes of existence (called Buddhic, Nirvanic, Logoic etc.) which seems pretty close to the 6th density. If the highest planes of existence are in 3rd density, for example, it does not make a whole lot of sense.

I imagine that all the planes of existence could be present on all density levels. For example, there may be 3rd density on the Buddhic or Nirvanic plane as well - it may just be that the denizens of those realms do not have their focus in 3rd density like we do.

 

[caballero reyes]

« Reply #1 of Laura on: Yesterday at 12:15:03 PM »
<Another problem is the effort that has been made for centuries, if not millennia, to explain the paranormal (other worlds) that may not have developed quite accurately due to the fact that densities were excluded from awareness >

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"...densities were excluded from awareness "

Laura I don't understand what this means. Perhaps consciousness is excluded from precognitive dreams? I think not because these are linked to the energy of the sexual center and this center is connected to the seventh density. This is really interesant becauce I think is related to well-being of body and soul and therefore to the longevity or duration of the body on the earthly plane or third dimension as a result of the regeneration of cells.

 

[Laura]

When I said that densities were excluded from awareness, that means that for most of the so-called occultists/esotericists who formulated those ideas - mainly Madame Blavatsky - the very idea of densities vs planes was not taken into account. Plus, when you study the matter deeply, you find that there were deliberate efforts on the part of the denizens of 4D to confuse matters. Much, if not most, of Blavatsky's system has been shown to be based on some rather shady doings.

Ibn al-'Arabi came closest to describing the "worlds" (i.e. densities and planes) as the Cs do. But I don't think that Blavatsky was familiar with that work. I believe I've dealt with this in The Wave. Take it or leave it.