9-11 Exposed on Russian TV

Laura

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And now, there is this:

Truth Experts To Debate 9/11 On Russian TV
By Webster G. Tarpley
September 9, 2008

Thierry Meyssan reports from Moscow that he and other leading international 9/11 truth experts have completed taping a television debate which will be telecast on the first national program of Russian state television this coming Friday, September 12. This no-holds barred, free-wheeling debate, featuring strongly divergent opinions about what really happened on and about September 11, 2001, will be shown in conjunction with the documentary film Zero, produced and directed by Giulietto Chiesa and Franco Fracassi of Telemaco Productions in Rome. Russians are thus about to receive an unprecedented evening of 9/11 truth.

The telecast will go out in the middle of prime time. Among the participants, General Leonid Ivashov was the commander of the Russian armed forces on September 11, 2001, and has been a leading critic of the US official version. A leading strategic thinker for his country, Ivashov is currently a fellow of the Strategic Culture Foundation in Moscow. Giulietto Chiesa is a member of the European Parliament in Brussels, representing the region around Asti in northwest Italy. Chiesa has been the leading spokesman for 9/11 truth issues in the European Parliament, and has been the prime mover behind the documentary film Zero, as well as the collection of essays by the same name which has also attracted much attention in Italy since being published in the late summer of 2007. Thierry Meyssan, the founder and leader of the Voltaire Network in Paris, was one of the first critics of the US official story about 9/11. He is the author of several books, including 9/11: The Big Lie, and Pentagate. He also organized the Axis for Peace conference in Brussels in November 2005.

Among almost a dozen Russian participants in the debate that will be televised Friday evening in Moscow, one of the most compelling speakers was a Russian cosmonaut who observed the 9/11 events from his post on the International Space Station in earth orbit. This cosmonaut recounts in the telecast that, as he watched the immense plume of smoke spread from New York out over the Atlantic, he took a large number of photos and films which were sent automatically to both Houston and Moscow. “We have been studying these images very, very, carefully,” commented the cosmonaut pointedly, “and we have seen some highly interesting things.”

The host for the debate stressed that this landmark telecast did not imply that the Kremlin administration of President Medvedev and Prime Minister Putin was officially espousing any particular point of view concerning 9/11, but rather reflected a commitment to free and open debate. Nevertheless, observers in the Russian capital sense a far-reaching change of mood by the Russian government in the wake of the August 7-8 genocidal attack on South Ossetia by the Georgian dictator and US satellite Saakashvili. The Russians, according to this view, are through with doing favors for the US, especially in regard to Washington’s official myths about 9/11 and the war on terror, and this telecast will deliver that message in a clear and unmistakable way.

And remember, you heard it first on cass.org that the Russians had photos! :cool2: See: http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/boeing.htm

This series of comments was begun in September of 2002 when many readers of our website deluged us with emails asking what we thought about the evidence that a Boeing 757 did NOT hit the Pentagon. Up to that moment in time, there was no question in our minds that the events of 9-11 happened exactly as described by the media and the Bush Administration. Of course, we had certain ideas as to WHO was behind those events, but the important point is that we did not question the "facts on the ground" of the event.

Certainly, because this was our "belief," we began to search for data with something of a bias. I was quite certain that the "no-Boeing" theory was designed to set up people who were asking "whodunnit" so that when the "proof of the Boeing" hitting the Pentagon was finally unveiled, everyone who suspected an "inside job" would look completely stupid and all such conspiracy theories would be thoroughly squashed thereby. In fact, I expected such a revelation daily and began to wonder what was really going on when it never came. Could it be possible that there was NO proof that a Boeing hit the Pentagon?

I also did not consider it within the realm of possibility that such a "switch" could have been perpetrated upon the American public, much less the media. Surely no criminal element within our own governent would be crazy enough to launch a Drone plane packing a missile and try to pass it off as a Boeing and expect to get away with it! What a lunatic idea!

And so, it was with such ideas in mind that I began to research the issue. I has now been over two and a half years, and still no proof of a Boeing hitting the Pentagon has been dramatically unveiled. What is more, we recently (Jan. 2005) received information that the REASON for the initial claims that there was no Boeing was due to the fact that satellite images of what really DID hit the Pentagon were taken by satellites belonging to other governments. Up to this point in time, these images have been withheld mainly because "mutual blackmail" at the highest levels of power is the norm. But what we have learned is that these images have been circulated among certain foreign intell groups with, shall we say, planned leaks. After learning of these images from a very trustworthy source who, for obvious reasons, cannot be named, I realized that the stakes of the game are a lot higher than anyone imagines. [...]

Remember what I wrote at the beginning, that we recently received information that satellite photos of what really hit the Pentagon DO exist in the hands of other governments?

Well, the story is that whatever hit the Pentagon was launched from a ship offshore, and it wasn't a missile. Go again and look at the nice images of the "Universal Pilot Replacement Program" to see the clever launching ramps they have for these handy planes. Have a good look at the demonstrated maneuverability and compare it to the descriptions of the flight path of that amazing mythical Flight 77.

In fact, it is altogether likely that the Universal Pilot Replacement Program was used on all the hijacked planes. It was, after all, manufactured by Boeing - one of the biggies of the Military Industrial Complex - and could easily have been installed during "routine maintenance." It would also have been quite easy to install some poison gas to be released via the onboard ventilation system that would kill everyone on the plane at the point that the UPR took over. The issue of why Flight 93 had to be shot down is easily explained by a possible glitch in the release of the gas. If it didn't work as it was supposed to, or someone noticed and managed to get an oxygen mask on in time, it would certainly explain why the plane had to be shot down.

I can now reveal my source: A close associate of Thierry Meyssan who told us in strictest confidence that Meyssan was shown the images and he was given the assignment of writing his book exposing the truth with the proviso that he had to make the case WITHOUT recourse to mentioning the photographs. It wasn't really a hard case to make though certainly, photos would have helped. But now, of course, it will be said that any such photos are "faked." And with the Zio-con control of the media in the US, don't expect anything to change.

I should also mention that Meyssan and Co had sent their representative to meet with several members of the sott.net team with a view toward working together on a number of projects to expose the truth. That was the context in which the revelation was made. However, they had a requirement: that said editors disassociate themselves entirely from me and my "esoteric work." On that topic, read Richard Dolan's new article.. The sott.net editors declined the offer, needless to say. We calls 'em as we sees 'em and we aren't for sale.
 

Third_Density_Resident

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Thanks Laura for some very intriguing information. I found the following very interesting:

Webster G. Tapley said:
The Russians, according to this view, are through with doing favors for the US, especially in regard to Washington’s official myths about 9/11 and the war on terror, and this telecast will deliver that message in a clear and unmistakable way.

I seem to recall the C's mentioning not long after 9/11 that the truth about what really happened that day would eventually come out in a more overt way. I wonder if this might be what kick-starts all of that, finally? And I wonder if it might tie in with the recent prediction by the C's about the fate of the U.S.? Is the result of this debate likely to spread and cause outrage in those countries who are not as controlled as the U.S.?
 

anart

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Laura said:
And now, there is this:

Well, my, my.... things are heating up indeed! This and the Signs of Palin ... seems we've jumped into hyperdrive...

(afterthought) - the Russian public understanding the truth of 9/11 and that America's government was in on it might go a long way toward seeing America as Germany was seen in the last years of WWII ... - fully seen as the evil it is, international intervention (attack) might not be seen as the 'wrong' thing to do...
 

Buddy

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3D Resident said:
I seem to recall the C's mentioning not long after 9/11 that the truth about what really happened that day would eventually come out in a more overt way. I wonder if this might be what kick-starts all of that, finally? And I wonder if it might tie in with the recent prediction by the C's about the fate of the U.S.? Is the result of this debate likely to spread and cause outrage in those countries who are not as controlled as the U.S.?

Thinking in terms of a global game of political chess, here's the way I see it:

Since 9/11, the U.S. has been able to commit atrocities against its own Constitution, American citizens and others while evading ANY accountability so far.
The move described by [1] Michael Binyon as "..when President Saakashvili blundered into South Ossetia, sending in an army to shell, kill and maim on a vicious scale" and justified because of "western encouragement of “freedom” in the former Soviet satellite states that gave carte-blanche to forces long hostile to Russia..."

well, it looks like the U.S.'s 'game' has become WAY too cocky. In fact, it may even be seen as 'dissing' Russia in their own backyard. So Russia's strategy has changed to accommodate the U.S. attitude. By using a format to release certain information that might lead to 'revelations', the U.S. can be put in its place through some possible 'criminal exposure'.

Will the results of this debate lead to the things that 3D Resident asks? I don't know of course, but it sure looks like a warning to the U.S. that "checkmate" is just one or two moves away - if "that's" the way it wants to play.

- fwiw



[1] _http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/guest_contributors/article4525885.ece
 

dant

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Oh my!

I hope that one or more of our Russian SOTT forum member
might be able tape/record this telecast and provide it to us with
caption dubbed in? But most importantly, I also hope real
and objective data will be forthcoming... but I guess we will
have to wait and see.

Very interesting post, and thanks again as always, Laura!

Dan
 

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But this exposure can also hastens things which leads to "USA heading for destruction" in the 3rd September session. With this exposure, the Neo-cons aka psycho's might feel cornered and lash out.
 

webglider

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3D Resident said:
Thanks Laura for some very intriguing information. I found the following very interesting:


Quote from: Webster G. Tapley
The Russians, according to this view, are through with doing favors for the US, especially in regard to Washington’s official myths about 9/11 and the war on terror, and this telecast will deliver that message in a clear and unmistakable way.

I seem to recall the C's mentioning not long after 9/11 that the truth about what really happened that day would eventually come out in a more overt way. I wonder if this might be what kick-starts all of that, finally? And I wonder if it might tie in with the recent prediction by the C's about the fate of the U.S.? Is the result of this debate likely to spread and cause outrage in those countries who are not as controlled as the U.S.?


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No doubt in my mind that it will. But will it cause outrage in the American public? How will the PTB effect damage control -stage a massive propaganda campaign against Russia, or enact repressive measures against Americans?
 

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Thierry Meyssan published this testemony (in french) yesterday where he recounts briefly his investigation into 911 issue.

__http://www.voltairenet.org/article158008.html

Automatic translation into english gives a comprehensive text with yet some mistakes as one could expect (I have tried the google language tool).

This passage may be interresting in the context of reveling 911 machination :

translation of Meyssan's testemony said:
During these five years that have elapsed since September 11, 2001, I received several thousands of death threats by mail and e-mail and I had to face great dangers. In all my travels, state and sometimes individuals have at my disposal armed escorts and armored cars, without that I would make the request. I learned that one could travel under false identities and pass customs without control. I never knew exactly who protected me as well.
I had the opportunity to meet many chiefs of staff, heads of Government and Heads of State to present my investigation into the September 11-and to provide them with information not publishable. Their doors were opened before me with a strange ease.
From what I understand, I kept a sense of personal debt vis-à-vis Jacques Chirac, whom I've never met but whose high figure was still raised by those who received me and those who ensured my safety.

Seems that some insiders disagree the official line and act amsp behind the scene?
 

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anart said:
the Russian public understanding the truth of 9/11 and that America's government was in on it might go a long way toward seeing America as Germany was seen in the last years of WWII ...

If those photographs are disclosed I can't imagine the reaction of the international community and particularly of all those countries that have been bullied by the USA : Afghanistan, Iran, Irak, Venezuela, Japan, Chile, Russia, etc.
 

Buddy

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Vulcan59 said:
With this exposure, the Neo-cons aka psycho's might feel cornered and lash out.

That's kinda how I see it playing out, re: "...one or two moves away" (from checkmate).
Pure speculation on my part, but I just think the US will make a move or two designed to avoid exposure, and that the backlash against THAT will be where the attack comes from. After all, when you consider the seriousness of the WTC crimes and subsequent death and destructions in the name of the 'war on terror', do we really think the U.S. would NOT try to go to war against anyone or any country, to protect the pathocracy from exposure...after everything they've done in the 'name' of it?
 

go2

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Cassiopaeans said:
http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=9609.0

Session Date: September 3rd 2008

(List of those present deleted for privacy)

(planchette begins to move... )

A: USA heading for destruction!

Q: (L) Hello. Can we say hello first?

A: Hello

Q: (L) And who do we have with us this evening?

A: Yeaionnia of Cassiopaea.

Q: (L) Do you transmit through Cassiopaea?

A: Yes

Q: (L) Okay. Why do you introduce tonight's adventures with "US is headed for destruction"?

A: Passed the point when anything could possibly be done to change the outcome.

I am rereading Political Ponerology by Andrew M. Lobaczewski tonight and several passages seem worth posting in conjunction with the rapidly escalating economic and war crisis on the planet. The work of Lobaczewski has changed my perception of the real nature of political and economic control systems used by psychological deviants to subjugate men and women of normal psychology. This reality is concealed by psychological warfare waged against the minds of normal humanity by the deviants. Political Ponerology is a valuable resource for understanding the Signs of the Times.

Lobaczewski said:
What happens if the network of understanding among psychopaths achieves power in leadership positions with international exposure? This can happen, especially during the later phases of the phenomenon. Goaded by their character, such deviant people thirst for just that even though it ultimately conflicts with their own life interest, and so they are removed by the less pathological, more logical wing of the ruling apparatus. Such deviants do not understand that a catastrophe would otherwise ensue. Germs are not aware that they will be burned alive or buried deep in the ground along with the human body whose death they are causing.[…]

Thierry Meyssan said:
During these five years that have elapsed since September 11, 2001, I received several thousands of death threats by mail and e-mail and I had to face great dangers. In all my travels, state and sometimes individuals have at my disposal armed escorts and armored cars, without that I would make the request. I learned that one could travel under false identities and pass customs without control. I never knew exactly who protected me as well. I had the opportunity to meet many chiefs of staff, heads of Government and Heads of State to present my investigation into the September 11-and to provide them with information not publishable. Their doors were opened before me with a strange ease.
From what I understand, I kept a sense of personal debt vis-à-vis Jacques Chirac, whom I've never met but whose high figure was still raised by those who received me and those who ensured my safety.

mkrnhr said:
Seems that some insiders disagree the official line and act amsp behind the scene?

Andrew M Lobaczewski said:
If the many managerial positions are assumed by individuals deprived of sufficient abilities to feel and understand the majority of other people, and who also exhibit deficiencies in technical imagination and practical skills-(faculties indispensable for governing economic and political matters)-this the results in an exceptionally serious crisis in all areas, both within the country in question and with regard to international relations. […]

Outside, other societies start to feel the pathological quality of the phenomenon quite distinctly. Such a state of affairs cannot last long. One must then be prepared for ever more rapid changes, and also behave with great circumspection.

Buddy said:
Thinking in terms of a global game of political chess, here's the way I see it:

Since 9/11, the U.S. has been able to commit atrocities against its own Constitution, American citizens and others while evading ANY accountability so far.

Hi Buddy, I wonder if it is more accurate to describe the U.S. as being occupied by psychological deviants who have violated the Constitution of the United States, international law, and common decency, and holding these deviants as responsible for the crimes against humanity perpetrated in the name of the U.S.
Political Ponerlology makes the case that the real war is between psychopaths and normal humanity. U.S. and Israel are contempory examples of psychopaths using flag or religion to cloak their predation of mankind by war and economics.

Lobaczewski said:
This privileged class of deviants feels permanently threatened by the “others”, i.e. by the majority of normal people. Neither do the pathocrats entertain any illusions about their personal fate should there be a return to the system of normal men.

Pathocracy survives thanks to the feeling of being threatened by the society of normal people, as well as by other countries wherein various forms of the system of normal man persist. For the rulers, staying on the top is therefore the classic problem of “to be or not to be”.

[…] the masses must be ‘educated’ and channeled in the direction of imperialist strivings. This goal must be pursued doggedly so that everyone knows what is being fought for and in whose name harsh discipline and poverty must be endured. The latter factor-creating condition of poverty and hardship-effectively limits the possibility of ‘subversive’ activities on the part of the society of normal people.

The ideology must, of course, furnish a corresponding justification for this alleged right to conquer the world and must therefore be properly elaborated. Expansionism is derived from the very nature of pathocracy, not from ideology, but this fact must be masked by ideology.

Sarah Palin said:
"Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending soldiers out on a task that is from God. That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan."
–Sarah Pailn, on the Iraq war, speaking to students at the Wasilla Assembly of God, June 2008

Lobaczewski said:
The methods of psychological terror (that specific pathocratic art), the techniques of pathological arrogance, and the striding roughshod into other people’s souls initially have such traumatic effects that people are deprived of their capacity for purposeful reaction; [..] His answers are usually well-thoughout strategies, issued from the position of a normal person’s superiority and often laced with ridicule. When Man can look suffering and even death in the eye with the required calm, a dangerous weapon falls out of the ruler’s hands.

We have to understand that this process of immunization is not merely a result of the above-described increase in practical knowledge of the macro social phenomenon. It is the effect of a many-layered, gradual process of growth in knowledge, familiarization with the phenomenon, creation of the appropriate reactive habits, and self-control, with an overall conception, and moral principles, being worked out in the meantime. After several years, the same stimuli which formerly caused chilly spiritual impotence or mental paralysis now provoke the desire to gargle with something strong so as to get rid of this filth.
 

RflctnOfU

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go2 said:
Buddy said:
Thinking in terms of a global game of political chess, here's the way I see it:

Since 9/11, the U.S. has been able to commit atrocities against its own Constitution, American citizens and others while evading ANY accountability so far.


Hi Buddy, I wonder if it is more accurate to describe the U.S. as being occupied by psychological deviants who have violated the Constitution of the United States, international law, and common decency, and holding these deviants as responsible for the crimes against humanity perpetrated in the name of the U.S.
Political Ponerlology makes the case that the real war is between psychopaths and normal humanity. U.S. and Israel are contempory examples of psychopaths using flag or religion to cloak their predation of mankind by war and economics.

Hi Go2. I think - and Buddy correct me if I'm wrong - that he was referring to the "US" as a corporation, and not to it's population of "normies" :)

Corporations, in legal-land, have the rights of individuals. So, if a corporation is an 'individual', then a corporation is the ultimate psychopath, inherently being without empathy, with the "US" being the ultimate psychopath/corporation.

So, "Since 9/11, the U.S. has been able to commit atrocities against its own Constitution, American citizens and others while evading ANY accountability so far." (as the ultimate psychopath/corporation), is a very fair and accurate statement, and yours is also go2.

If nothing else, this madness being manifested all around us is excellent learning material of a psychological sort. We just need to be ready to 'find the gems in the cracks along the way'.

:cool2:

Kris
 

Buddy

The Living Force
RflctnOfU said:
- and Buddy correct me if I'm wrong - that he was referring to the "US" as a corporation, and not to it's population of "normies" :)

Yes, I was referring to the corporate entity as represented by it's psychopathic controllers and inhabitants.

go2's statement represents a much more 'accurate' and finer focus of the lens.
 

gdpetti

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I agree with the chess analogy as the STS goal is chaos, the agent of change that like a tidal wave wipes out the old and replaces it with the new, which they prefer to be something of their own making no doubt. It does fulfill the necessary requirements for election concerns here in the States and potential economic collapse, potential for marital law etc in the name of protecting the people most likely. Perhaps another false flag op will fit the bill? Perhaps that collapse is the real goal, as anyone that cannot graduate themselves STS would seem rather weak and disposable by those already 4dSTS. That 'need to know' basis in which you always get idiots/patsy types to do the menial dirty work such as politics. Use them and throw them away. Perhaps it is time to use a little truth ala "Day After Tomorrow" to push the pieces around the chessboard as desired? Sounds like a great way to spread the chaos and later potential for many 'postal' programs to go off later, perhaps in time for the election? Or is that too early? War is nice, but with nuclear weapons involved the negative energy charge would seem to be short in duration and not last long enough for the real feast as this 'wave' comes ashore. So, perhaps this is a fainting movement to prolong the pain of the present administration and all those lusting for some blood? Use the psychopaths and their friends against each other? But slowly to increase the pain and prolong the feast as that C's session mentioned in regards to maximum efficiency in energy extraction. This reminds me of endgame type events like Hitler's Germany in which he took it all down with him. He could have played the West against the East as seemed his preference, but he was content to burn at the stake it seems, a 'martyr' to his cause?

All this seems so sadistically silly, as the STS feed off of themselves and their prey. A very slow game of chess that will no doubt not only test those seeking to graduate STO, but likewise those wishing to graduate STS.
 

Realitybyte

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Managed to find the Russian version (at least I'm pretty sure I did - unfortunately I don't speak Russian - Google translate to the rescue):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grlDaXPTX3U

I think I worked out, in case it helps you find other parts, etc. that the show is called "Closed Viewing": Закрытый показ

The title of the 9-11 episode is "9-11 An Investigation from Scratch" : 9-11 Расследование с нуля

The above link is part one (часть 1) other parts are in the User's directory: http://www.youtube.com/user/newman495.

Parts 1-11 mainly appear to be a screening of Chiesa's film 'Zero', Russian dubbed and subtitled, before and after which there was a discussion.

The discussion links are here:
Discussion before the show: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2SWtNMI7Ok
Discussion after the show, part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-M9ysxUFiyk
Discussion after the show, part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43HwbxUKTdU

It looks possible that the uploader is still adding to these at present.

Hopefully someone here speaks Russian and might be able to enlighten us as to any particularly juicy revelations...
 
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