A perspective on Cosmo-genealogy


The Living Force
FOTCM Member
From Laura's post in the genealogy thread
Laura said:
Finally, one day, Ark asked me if I was going to be satisfied when I finally made it back to Adam and Eve...
Doing a review of the Cassiopaean transcripts I tried to do this and at the same time extend to the whole cosmos.

There are some ideas which fall outside the dictionary concept of genealogy; this you will notice. One can invent a new word and call it cosmo-genealogy.

Some of the excerpts from the Cassiopaean transcripts, one finds in the books of Laura Knight Jadczyk like The Secret History of the World, 911 The Ultimate Truth (possibly only the old version only), The High Strangeness of Dimensions, Densities, and the Process of Alien Abduction, The Wave Series, and The Adventure Series. I recommend these for more explanations.

I have quoted frequently from the transcripts. Since I do not now know who will read this post consider the following as a disclaimer for any effect created in the mind of the reader.

960601 said:
And one could add
940730 said:
A: What is chosen? Only you can choose. The choice comes by nature and free will and looking and listening. Where you are is not important. Who you are is and also what you see.
It is not genealogy with the precision of the geometry of Euclid. Does it have to be?

Cassiopaean transcripts 980418 said:
A: [...] we are not communicating with you in order to "prove" our existence. If one has faith and is willing to learn, to explore new realms and to discover what will one "day" be commonplace awareness profile, then no "proof" is necessary. If, on the other hand, one is of the opposite psychic orientation, then no amount of proof is adequate.
Are you ready?

To facilitate reading the post is extended over more section, although they are continuous rather than separate.
Section one:

Before the enquiry enters the probable expanses of time and space I like to begin with an excerpt from the Cassiopaean transcripts of 941107 which deals with our relation and perceptions of the forms of life that surround us.
941107 said:
Q: (L) Are there any other physical creatures on planet earth which have souls?
A: All do.
Q: (L) Is the human soul different from, say, animal souls?
A: Of course.
Q: (L) Are there any other physical creatures on the earth which have souls like human souls? On the same level, so to speak?
A: No.
Q: (L) Well, I have heard that dolphins, porpoises and whales have very advanced souls. Is that true?
A: All souls are advanced.
Q: (L) But are whales sentient, thinking, self-aware as humans are?
A: Apples and oranges.
Q: (L) Well, since whales are so big, do they have bigger souls?
A: Irrelevant.
Q: (L) Is there some way to communicate with whales or dolphins and can one find a way to translate the differences and have a reasonable, intelligent exchange with a whale or a dolphin or even an elephant?
A: You don't need conversation "with" when a higher telepathic level.
Q: (L) Dolphins and whales communicate telepathically?
A: Yes. So do dogs and cats and snakes etc. etc. only humans have learned the "superior" art of verbal communication.
Q: (L) But, at the same time, verbal communication can be quite limiting, is that correct?
A: That is the point.
Q: (L) So, you were being sarcastic with me, weren't you?
A: Humorous.
Q: (L) Do whales form long-lasting bonds and feel love?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Do dogs feel love?
A: Dogs feel need as love.
The one about "apples and oranges" is interesting with regard to considering oneself a vegetarian and as not killing anything because one does not eat meat.

940730 said:
Q: (L) Is vegetarianism then the way we should eat?
A: That is concentrating on the physical. The body is not important.
Q: (L) Does this mean that to worry about the body in any way is wrong?
A: Close. Don't concentrate on life in the body. Concentrate on the spirit.
If animals are second density and we third density, then what is it that makes us different apart from them possibly having telepathic communication whereas humans mostly do not consciously communicate that effortlessly.

970920 said:
A: All whales share the same soul!
Q: Are human beings like that or moving in that direction, becoming unified soul?
A: Fragmented.
Q: Human beings are a fragmented soul. Were we once a unified soul?
A: Once and future.
Q: When one is a unified soul, then obviously all the experiences of the former fragments become everyone's experience, so to speak. Is that correct?
A: Close.
000527 said:
A: Quite close. Now, pay attention! What if: one on 2nd density perceives objects due to their similarity. One on 3rd density perceives objects due to their difference, and one on 4th density perceives objects in terms of their own union with all of them?
Q: (B) In terms of their own union with all of them? I kind of thought that would be the NEXT step up.
A: No.
Q: (B) So, 4th density, instead of being an incremental step, is a GIANT step? (L) Yup. I guess the steps follow some sort of mathematical square progression rather than simply numerical. (B) Well, that would have to be true because if you consider the difference between 1st density and 2nd density, that's a MEGA jump! (A) I have a problem with this sentence. It says: "one on 4th density perceives objects in terms of their own union with all of them?" Who is in union with the objects?
A: Perceiver.
With the last quote we not only have an idea of how 2nd and 3rd density differ we also have an idea of perception in 4th density and that will be important to keep in mind for the references to be made further on.

If verbal communication is not superior compared to telepathic communication one can begin to think that verbal communications besides being used as means to transfer information, also are tools to create barriers between people, which then not so rarely have led to misunderstandings followed by conflicts. Conflict can generate "food for the moon". The who of being behind this is indicated below:

970621 said:
Q: Well, I think that a HUGE key is in the tracking of the languages...
A: The roots of all languages are identical...
Q: What do you mean?
A: Your origin.
Q: You mean Atlantis?
A: Is that your origin?
Q: You mean Orion?
A: Interesting the word root similarity, yes?
Q: Well, the word root similarities of a LOT of things are VERY interesting! It is AMAZING the things I have discovered by tracking word roots...
A: The architects of your languages left clues aplenty. And, you have the rare opportunity to learn far more of this by being taught to speak and understand other languages. WE suggest you work to penetrate the STS implanted resistance in this area.
The reasons for the implanted resistance is well explained by a passage from "Nineteen Eighty Four".
George Orwell in "1984": Part 2 said:
"The Theory and Practice of Oligarchical Colectivism, chapter III" [...] "But this would violate the principle, followed on all sides though never formulated, of cultural integrity. [...] The problem is the same for all three superstates. It is absolutely necessary to their structure that there should be no contact with foreigners, except, to a limited extent, with war prisoners and coloured slaves. [...] War prisoners apart, the average citizen of Oceania never sets eyes on a citizen of either Euroasia or Eastasia, and he is forbidden the knowledge of foreign languages. If he were allowed contact with foreigners he would discover that they are creatures similar to him self and that most of what he has been told about them is lies. The sealed world in which he lives would be broken, and the fear, hatred, and self-righteousness on which his morale depends might evaporate."
970621 said:
Q: Change of subject: I am tracking the clues through the various languages and alphabets. I would like to know which of these alphabets, Runic, Greek, or Etruscan, preceded the others, and from which the others are derived?
A: Etruscan.
About the source of the Etruscan alphabet:
970816 said:
Q: Ark suggested that the Etruscans may have gotten their alphabet as a mirror image. Could it be that they lived on the 'other side' of the mirror?
A: Latter is closer.
More on languages:
941102 said:
Q: (L) What is the origin of the Sanskrit language?
A: Atlantis.
Q: (L) When the Aryans were brought here, were they brought to Atlantis?
A: No. The Aryans were different from the Atlanteans.
Q: (L) Is there any language in existence today that is descended from the Aryan language? Or, that has remained more similar in development from Indo-European?
A: Yes. All Germanic.
Q: (L) Is Celtic considered to be one of these?
A: Yes.
950318 said:
Q: (L) What is the world's oldest language, at least of those known to today's world?
A: Sanskrit.
Q: (L) What is the origin of Sanskrit?
A: Atlantean roots.
961130 said:
Q: (L) Okay, crop circles are a language, so to speak. Are they in some way related to mathematics?
A: Mathematics is the one and only true universal language.
Further on we shall get back to Orion, but for now down to Earth and relating to languages, I read an article of how to keep the brain working even in old age and one of several recommendations was to spend 12 hours every month learning a new language. 12 hours is 20 minutes per day! I decided for a dictionary with a good pronunciation guide. After a few pages it became easier, and indeed there are some interesting links between languages besides the hopefully beneficial influence that it has.

Having mentioned languages it is easy to continue thinking about the people who speak them, the DIFFERENT people that speak them. What is their origin, and why are they different. But before doing that a review of a few concepts that the Cassiopaeans bring up on several occasions.

The first quote illustrates that of our reality and our assumed history may be more variable than we are told in school.

950812 said:
Q: (L) My first question is: What is the source of the Vedas? The Hindu system of philosophy?
A: There is more than one source.
Q: (L) What is the general source, positive or...
A: A very vague question.
Q: (L) Was it a group of people that put them together over centuries, or was it channeled information, or...?
A: It came into being as a result of meditation.
Q: (L) And what race of people was responsible for this information?
A: Caucasian.
Q: (L) What period of time were the Vedas received.
A: Varying bits and pieces of information which later was organized into packages labeled as it is.
Q: (L) From what realm did this meditated information issue?
A: The realm of the subconscious mind.
Q: (L) Are any of the Vedas information that was given to man by extra-terrestrials?
A: Not as you would define it.
Q: (L) From what types of beings, or what level of density did this information issue from?
A: Third.
Q: (L) Can you give us anything more on that in a general sense?
A: If you ask.
Q: (L) What is the percentage of accuracy of the information given in the Vedas? Overall?
A: Accurate at what level?
Q: (L) Third Density.
A: Accurate to what extent and in what way?
Q: (L) Well, in a general sense, as a way of living one's life and perceiving the universe.
A: That's an extremely difficult question to answer as accuracy in determining such things as perceiving the universe and living one's life is entirely open to interpretation as anyone can resolve accuracy by relating to the parallel universe which is appropriate for the information given. And, as we have stated in the past, it is possible to create parallel universes through thought energy, and once they are created naturally, they correspond naturally to the interpretation given for them.
Q: (L) Is there any benefit to be obtained through the use of mantras?
A: Especially when the mind says there is. Remember, most all power necessary for altering reality and physicality is contained within the belief center of the mind. This is something you will understand more closely when you reach 4th density reality where physicality is no longer a prison, but is instead, your home, for you to alter as you please. In your current state, you have the misinterpretation of believing that reality is finite and therein lies your difficulty with finite physical existence. We are surprised that you are still not able to completely grasp this concept.
The following quote elaborates on the concept of time as not being fixed.
951104 said:
(L) Interestingly, JR just said something that keyed in a good question. If time is involved in this, is it possible that when something goes into fourth density, that if we were traveling to that area, that we would arrive in that area at a different point in time? And that we would say... (T) As we perceive time...
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Very good question.
A: 4th density frees one from the illusion of "time" as you WILL to perceive it.
Q: (L) OK, if you're freed from the illusion of time, going into fourth density, would you then go into one of these regions and perceive a time period and sequence of events as you expect to perceive it?
A: As you WILL to perceive it.
In order to develop further the concept of time as described in the transcripts, I shall divert slightly before continuing by introducing two other ideas, which each will be developed later on.

The first is that of genetic tweeking being done to human, the other is the possibility of the replacement of the human race by another race.

980725 said:
Q: (L) I read the new book by Dr. David Jacobs, professor of History at Temple University, concerning his extensive research into the alien abduction phenomenon. [Dr. Jacobs wrote his Ph.D. thesis on the history of the UFOs.] Dr. Jacobs says that now, after all of these years of somewhat rigorous research, that he KNOWS what the aliens are here for and he is afraid.
David Jacobs says that producing offspring is the primary objective behind the abduction phenomenon. Is this, in fact, the case?
A: Part, but not "the whole thing."
Q: (L) Is there another dominant reason?
A: Replacement.
Q: (L) Replacement of what?
A: You.
Q: (L) How do you mean? Creating a race to replace human beings, or abducting specific humans to replace them with a clone or whatever?
A: Mainly the former. You see, if one desires to create a new race, what better way than to mass hybridize, then mass reincarnate. Especially when the host species is so forever ignorant, controlled, and anthropocentric. What a lovely environment for total destruction and conquest and replacement... see?
As a note to the above quote, the words "ignorant, controlled, and anthropocentric" hide a lot of meaning.

Anthropocentric can refer to man or the human being as opposed to second density beings on this planet.

But before one gets to become really anthropocentric there is the subset of racism, including the idea that some races other than ones own are less human. Even within a particular race the issues of nationalism, tribalism and cast can render one with an idea that ones own clan, religion, nation and tribe is so much more civilised than those other "animals" belonging to that other social layer, soccer/rugby/football club, religion, or ethnic group.

Another flavour of anthropocentric is to think that indeed all people are equal in terms of inborn characteristics, and 'goodness'. This view blinds one to the possibility that beyond the differences of races and sex, there exist some real differences like what has been documented on this site through the work on organic portals and psychopaths.

Anthropocentric can refer to a view of man as the centre of and the only intelligent expression on a planet and in a universe both of which we pretend to know. Implied in this understanding is, that humanity is or can be in charge of its own destiny, that we all have free will to do.

Anthropocentric can include the idea that man today is more evolved technologically than any of its possible ancestors have ever been in the history of the world.

Coming back to the subject of time, the following quote shatters our concept of time and history in the sense of these being primarily our own creations or the creation of some benevolent God in heaven. One consequence is that history can only be a possible history out of many, even though we take it for practical purposes to be immutable and only subject to the changes demanded by increased knowledge derived from more research and excavations.

941112 said:
Q: (L) Well, since there is so many of us here, why don't they just move in and take over?
A: That is their intention. That has been their intention for quite some time. They have been traveling back and forth through time as you know it, to set things up so that they can absorb a maximum amount of negative energy with the transference from third level to fourth level that this planet is going to experience, in the hopes that they can overtake you on the fourth level and thereby accomplish several things. 1: retaining their race as a viable species; 2: increasing their numbers; 3: increasing their power; 4: expanding their race throughout the realm of fourth density. To do all of this they have been interfering with events for what you would measure on your calendar as approximately 74 thousand years. And they have been doing so in a completely still state of space time traveling backward and forward at will during this work. Interestingly enough, though, all of this will fail.
Q: (L) How can you be so sure it will fail?
A: Because we see it. We are able to see all, not just what we want to see. Their failing is that they see only what they want to see. In other words, it's the highest manifestation possible of that which you would refer to as wishful thinking. And, wishful thinking represented on the fourth level of density becomes reality for that level. You know how you wishfully think? Well, it isn't quite reality for you because you are on the third level, but if you are on the fourth level and you were to perform the same function, it would indeed be your awareness of reality. Therefore they cannot see what we can see since we serve others as opposed to self, and since we are on sixth level, we can see all that is at all points as is, not as we would want it to be.
The gravity of time travel is emphasised below.
950121 said:
Q: (L) So, in other words, they draw glandular substances. Do they also use sexual energy given off by individuals to maintain their status in 3 dimensions?
A: No. That feeds them in 4d, as we told you before.
Q: (L) Yes. Okay. How "long", and I put long in quotes, because we know, as you say, there is no time, but how long, as we measure it, have the Grays been interacting with our race? The Grays, not the Lizards, the Grays, the cybergenetic probes?
A: No.
Q: (L) What do you mean, "No"?
A: Time travelers, therefore, "Time is ongoing."
Q: (L) Okay, recently I read a couple of books JR gave me, "Knight in Shining Armor" and "Replay". Both of these books described time travel.
A: No, not finished with answer. Do you understand the gravity of last response?
Q: (L) They are time travelers, they can move forward and backward in time, they can play games with our heads... (T) They can set up the past to create a future they want. (D) They can organize things so that they can create the energy that they need... (L) They can also make things look good, make them feel good, make them seem good, they can make you have an idea one minute, and then the next minute, create some sort of situation that confirms that idea...
A: When you asked how long, of course it is totally unlimited, is it not?
Q: (L) That's not good. If they were to move back through space time and alter an event in our past, would that alteration in the past instantaneously alter our present as well?
A: Has over and over and over.
Q: (D) So they do it over and over and over, constantly? (L) So, at each...
A: You just are not yet aware, and have no idea of the ramifications!!!
One of the ramifications about time travel is that one can not ever assume invincibility, even though knowledge protects. It is expressed in the following quote.

970719 said:
A: Get the message through to expect the unexpected; feel vulnerable, and do not ever assume invincibility. Knowledge protects, and ignorance endangers... does it ever!!!
A: Not point. Just remember that anticipation is the "mother of preparation," and defense.
000624 said:
A: Attack is not anticipated, it is the awareness, my dear!
Q: (L) So, it is awareness that it can happen at any moment, not that you are anticipating it?
A: It is the awareness that it exists.
Section two:

Above I mentioned genetic tweeking. Next follows more quotes on this issue. Apparently some differences between people are not only generated by characters in the genealogy chart, natural selection or "natural" mutations.

941023 said:
Q: (L) Let's go back to the three forces. You said numerous souls desired physical existence. When the numerous souls did this, how did physical existence come to be?
A: First was apelike.
Q: (L) And then what happened? Did these apelike being just pop into the air? What did the souls do with these apelike beings?
A: Souls altered them by transfer.
Q: (L) Transfer of what?
A: Souls into seeded bodies. Orion Union was first into Neanderthal.
Q: (L) The Orion souls came into Neanderthal bodies?
A: No. Put humans there for incubation process.
Q: (L) Were altered ape embryos put back into ape females for gestation?
A: No. Souls only.
Q: (L) They put the souls into the ape bodies?
A: Close.
Q: (L) Did the soul's presence in the ape body cause its genetics and DNA to change?
A: Yes.
000624 said:
A: Your current physical form has been fine tuned on your present locator through advanced biogenetic engineering. It is an ongoing process.
010820 said:
Q: All right, first question is, what is the origin of the Levites?
A: Hittites. Moon Worshippers.
Q: Well, before the Hittites became Hittites, what were they?
A: Indo-europeans.
Q: What was the source of the Indo-europeans?
A: Aryan sub-race.
Q: Is there any other group the Aryans mixed with to produce the Indo-Europeans?
A: Fourth Density genetic tweak.
010823 said:
Q: (L) Okay, moving on to the next question: Are Semites a mixture of Aryan genetics and Black genetics as I*** and I have theorized?
A: Partly.
Q: (L) Once before you talked about the "mission destiny profile prior encoding" of the Semitic genetic code structure. Of course, you talked about this being done 130,000 years ago, so that's a long time. But, was that original code structure put into the genetic code of the Black peoples...
A: Yes.
Q: ... to then be spread via their mixture with Aryans - as Semites - into other races?
A: Partly.
Q: (L) What is the other part?
A: Genetic tweaking of Semites.
Q: (L) Is there something in the sub-Saharan African genes that makes one tend more toward STO?
A: Not really.
Q: (L) [Reading from list of questions.] If not, why does there seem to be a continuing effort to wipe out these groups? Is this simply karma? [To TB] This was asked once before and the response was that it was partly karmic because, indeed, the Black peoples had a high civilization and were cruel masters of slaves.
To put genetic engineering into perspective consider the following:
950902 said:
Q: (L) Well, if the Grays are cybergenetic probes of the Lizard Beings, and, in effect soulless, does this mean that some of the Lizard beings are also STO?
A: Well, first, no being that is given intelligence to think on its own is, in fact, comepletely soul-less. It does have some soul imprint. Or what could be loosely referred to as soul imprint. This may be a collection of psychic energies that are available in the general vicinity. And this is stretching somewhat so that you can understand the basic ideas, even though in reality it is all far more complex than that. But, in any case, there is really no such thing as being completely soul-less, whether it be a natural intelligence or an artificially constructed intelligence. And, one of the very most interesting things about that from your perspective, is that your technology on 3rd density, which we might add, has been aided somewhat by interactions with those that you might refer to as "aliens," is now reaching a level whereby the artificially created intelligences can, in fact, begin to develop, or attract some soul imprint energy. If you follow what we are saying. For example: your computers, which are now on the verge of reaching the level whereby they can think by themselves, will begin to develop faint soul imprint.
Q: (L) That's not a pleasant thought.
Just as humans do not mind upgrading their computers, so others do not mind upgrading us, and they do it with similar ease and lack of concern.

An explanation of how STS genetic tweeks can be achieved.
950617 said:
A: ... We will now repeat it. Please do try to retain this knowledge as it is very important not only for what, perhaps, has happened in your reality as you would refer to it as your past, but also in possible variations of your present and in what you refer to as your future. These experiences must be known in their entirety as to what they really are. You are not normally removed as a physical third density being from one locator to another. What happens is very simple. The time frame is normally frozen, and we use the term "frozen" for lack of a better term. What this means is that your perception of time in your physical locator, third density body, ceases to pass during this period of time that is called "zero time" variously by members of your human race. What happens is that the soul imprint occupying or of that particular host body is removed forcibly, transported to another locator, and remolecularized as a separate physical entity body for purpose of examination, implantation, and other. Then, it is demolecularized, the soul imprint is used for the purpose of duplication process; it is then demolecularized and the soul imprint is replaced in the original body at the original locator. That is the process that takes place.
About complications relating to abduction and an illustration of the fluidity of time.
950617 said:
A: ... On rare occasions, the host, or the subject of the abduction can actually find themselves replaced in the time frame illusion in what could appear to be several hours, day, weeks, or even, sadly, years prior to the beginning of the event, which, of course, could cause side effects such as total insanity and other such things. Fortunately that did not occur in your case, but there was some fracturing of the time frame reference illusion. This is why you thought you saw two ships when in actuality you only saw one. Now, it is most important that you understand that this is not a physical, third density experience in its entirety. There is the soul imprint that all first density, second density, third density, and fourth density beings possess, as you already know; that is extracted. From that soul imprint a duplicate copy or cloning, if you will, which appears on fourth density, can then be made and studied and the soul imprint is then replaced into the original body at whatever density it was taken. This is normally how the process is done. Most often, if the third density being is removed in total physicality, there is no return of that being to third density. They are permanently removed to fourth density. Most often that is what takes place although on rare occasions there can be return. However, there is no need for this as complete duplication for all purposes of examination, alteration of sensate, and implanting; need not be done on third density; can be done completely in the fourth density duplication process. Do you understand?
"Prevention" of Orion abduction.
940730 said:
Q: (L) Is there any way we can prevent Orion abductions?
A: No.
Q: (L) Why?
A: It would interfere with universal law of free will and service to self.
Q: (L) But we don't want to be abducted. Can't we stop it?
A: Not likely. They have more power than you.
Q: (L) Well then, why can't you help us?
A: Would interfere in natural progression of your race and theirs. The Jews called upon us to save them and we could not. And, natives of your land called upon us and we could not save them from your race; we could not stop that either. It is natural progression, see?
Q: (L) Are we going to be wiped out by aliens as part of this natural progression?
A: Maybe. What makes you think you are special?
Q: (L) Jesus told us God loves us. Is this true?
A: But it is the soul that matters, not the body. The body dies not the soul.
950211 said:
Q: What about Mike?
A: Are you ready for this? 446 times.
Q: [General sounds of amazement] How does the control mechanism work with these two since, obviously, they would both be quite amazed to hear this, if not, in fact, go into complete denial?
A: Waves are transmitted into their minds which stimulate pre-coded implants. They are monitored. When they are exposed to truth, the waves are generated to prevent their reception and to strengthen pre-coded thought patterns of resistance.
Q: (L) You also said on one other occasion that something was done to me physically to block my energy and cause physical problems. What was this?
A: Your thyroid was inhibited.
Q: (L) You have said on occasion that free will is the most important law of consciousness in creation. Why can we not exercise our free will and refuse to be abducted and experimented upon?
A: Those who abduct are exercising their free will in doing so.
Q: (L) Why does their free will have precedence over our free will?
A: Why does your free will have precedence over density 2 and 1 beings?
Monotheistic religion does not help
000805 said:
Q: (L) [...] Does the patriarchal monotheism act as a deterrent of alien intrusion into our reality?
A: This is a confused concept. Why would aliens install monotheistic principles if the result is to close off the contact opportunity?
But is does not mean one can not try to resist domination although in a pen it may be hard:

941102 said:
Q: (L) Who carved friezes in French caves as well as the cave paintings?
A: People. Aryans. In caves because struggling to survive conflicts between many forces including Lizard being domination.
Sounds like these people were
941102 said:
A: Learning from change and adversity.
To give an idea of what power the programmers have there is this:

941102 said:
Q: (L) Who carved the crystal skull found in Central America?
A: Mayans.
Q: (L) What was the purpose of that skull?
A: Study brain. Long message follows pause: Now: skull was to learn about soul; reflective remolecularization imaging. Grays do this with abductees.
Q: (L) Through what kind of instrument.
A: Energy focusing.
Q: (L) What is behind their eyes?
A: Camera like system.
Q: (L) Is that system also able to send signals?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) At what spectrum level?
A: Thought paralysis.
Q: (L) Do they implant thoughts with their eyes also?
A: Can.
Q: (L) What do they do with implants?
A: Monitor.
Q: (L) Do they monitor our thoughts?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Do they monitor what we see?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Hear and feel?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Do the implants just monitor?
A: And control.
More about the Grays will follow, but first a short one on STS and STO and the concept of balance.

941112 said:
A: Service to others provides the perfect balance of those two realities; service to self is the diametrical opposite closing the grand cycle in perfect balance.
Q: (L) So it is necessary to have a pathway of service to self in order for the pathway of service to others to exist?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) And those who are in the quorum and the illuminati ...
A: Blends in middle.
Q: (L) So it is necessary to have the darkness in order to have the light...
A: Yes.
941022 said:
Q: (L) The comment was made at one point that certain alien beings abduct humans and subject them to cruel and torturous deaths in order to create "maximum energy transfer." In this respect, what is this maximum energy transfer that occurs during a long, slow, torturous dying process?
A: Extreme fear and anxiety builds up fear/anxiety energy which is of a negative nature which fuels the beings that you speak of in that they draw from that and produce a sort of a fueling energy which keeps them going as one of their forms of nourishment based on their metabolic structure.
Q: (L) What is their metabolic structure?
A: That is very complex and very difficult to describe because it is on the fourth level of density which you do not understand. But, part of their reason for existence on the fourth level is their ability to nourish themselves both through ethereal methods and through physical methods. Therefore, this energy transfer would represent the ethereal method of nourishment and other means are achieved physically.
Q: (L) What other means?
A: Well, the drinking of blood and blood by-products would be an example of that.
Q: (L) Do they do that?
A: Yes, but the manner of intake is different than what you may be thinking. It is done through pores.
Q: (L) In what manner?
A: Bathing and then absorbing the necessary products and then disposing of the remaining product.
Q: (L) Did Arthur Clarke channel "Childhood's End"?
A: No. Used imagination.
Q: (L) Is the amnesia related to UFO abductions deliberately induced or is it a product of the mind's inability to deal with the event?
A: It is an equal commingling of both.
Q: (L) The part that is deliberately induced, how is that accomplished?
A: By using a cosmic energy flow to influence memory function through a combination of spiritual and chemical interaction.
Q: (L) Can you be more specific?
A: Being more specific would be in another way less specific, but a good way to put it is altering the flow of electromagnetic energy in the brain. Electromagnetic energy, electromagnetism, is the life force that exists within all that evolves through long wave or short wave cycles.
Q: (L) Going back to the beings that absorb nutrients through their pores, what kind of beings are they?
A: Both those that you describe as the Lizard Beings and those you describe as the Grays. This is necessary for their survival in each case. Even though the Grays are not natural parts of the short wave cycle, but rather an artificial creation by the Lizard Beings, but nevertheless they mimic the nourishment functions.
Q: (L) Since they are artificially created by the Lizard beings, does this mean they have no souls?
A: That's correct.
Q: (L) How do they function? Are they like robots?
A: They function by interaction with the souls of the Lizard beings. This technology is extremely far in advance of that with which you are familiar, but the Gray beings are not only built and designed artificially, but also function as a projection mentally and psychically of the Lizard beings. They are like four dimensional probes.
Q: (L) As four dimensional probes, what are their capabilities?
A: They have all the same capabilities of the Lizard beings except for the fact that their physical appearance is entirely different and they do not have souls of their own and also their biological structure is internally different. But, their functioning is the same and in order to remain as projection beings they also must absorb nutrients in the same fashion both spiritually and physically as the Lizard beings do. The reason the negative energy is necessary fuel is that the Lizard beings and the Grays are both living in the fourth level of density, which is the highest level of density one can exist in serving only self as these entities do. So, therefore, they must absorb negative energy because the fourth level of density is the highest example of self service which is a negative thought pattern. The fourth level of density is a progression from the third level of density. With each progression upward in density level, the existence for the individual conscious entity becomes less difficult. So, therefore, the fourth level of density is less difficult to exist in that the third, the third is less difficult than the second and so on. It puts less strain on the soul energy. Therefore, beings existing on the fourth level of density can draw from beings existing on the third level of density in terms of absorption of negative soul energy. Likewise, beings on the third level of density can draw from beings on the second level of density, though this type of drawing is not as necessary but is done. This is why human beings existing on the third level frequently cause pain and suffering to those of the animal kingdom who exist on the second level of density because you are drawing negative soul energy as beings who primarily serve self, as you do, from those on the second level, and on the first, and so on. Now, as you advance to the fourth level of density which is coming up for you, you must now make a choice as to whether to progress to service to others or to remain at the level of service to self. This will be the decision which will take quite some time for you to adjust to. This is what is referred to as the "thousand year period." This is the period as measured in your calendar terms that will determine whether or not you will advance to service to others or remain at the level of service to self. And those who are described as the Lizards have chosen to firmly lock themselves into service to self. And, since they are at the highest level of density where this is possible, they must continually draw large amounts of negative energy from those at the third level, second level, and so on, which is why they do what they do. This also explains why their race is dying, because they have not been able to learn for themselves how to remove themselves from this particular form of expression to that of service to others. And, since they have such, as you would measure it, a long period of time, remained at this level and, in fact, become firmly entrenched in it, and, in fact, have increased themselves in it, this is why they are dying and desperately trying to take as much energy from you as possible and also to recreate their race metabolically.
Q: (L) Well, if we are sources of food and labor for them, why don't they just breed us in pens on their own planet?
A: They do.
Apart from engineering from outside, another option is that the soul in the body changes the structure of DNA:
941210 said:
Q: (T) How many strands of DNA do we have?
A: T***, 4; F***, 4; J***, 3; Laura, 3.
Q: (L) Well, gee... does this have anything to do with sex?
A: No.
Q: (L) Are you telling us that F*** and T*** are smarter than Jan and me?
A: You are growing your 4th, 5th and 6th right now.
Q: (T) If our 3rd density were to examine our DNA right now would they see this?
A: They would call it Junk DNA.
Q: (T) Would it be noticeable as DNA that was not there before?
A: Maybe.
Q: (F) They would have to compare to a baseline.
More about genetics and the junk DNA
000923 said:
Q: (L) Well, I'll have to research it. The fact is, we've got 3 billion base pairs... do some of these so-called segments of "junk DNA," if they were activated, would they instruct chromosomal replication to take place with more than 23 pairs as a result?
A: In part.
Q: Is there anything we can do in terms of activities or...
A: No. Biogenetic engineering.
Q: Was my insight that I had one night that, at some point in time something may happen that will turn genes on in our bodies that will cause us to physically transform, an accurate perception of what could happen at the time of transition to 4th density?
A: For the most part, yes.
Q: Are there any limitations to what our physical bodies can transform to if instructed by the DNA? Could we literally grow taller, rejuvenate, change our physical appearance, capabilities, or whatever, if instructed by the DNA?
A: Receivership capability.
Q: What is receivership capability?
A: Change to broader receivership capability.
Q: (A) That means that you can receive more of something.
A: Close.
Q: (A) It means how good is your receiver.
A: Yes.
Q: (L) What is your receiver? The physical body?
A: Mind through central nervous system connection to higher levels.
Q: So, that is the whole issue of gaining knowledge and developing control over your body. If your mind and CNS are tuned to higher levels of consciousness, that has significance in terms of your receivership capability?
A: Close.
Mankind considered to be prototypes.
941020 said:
Q: When did the Aryans invade India?
A: 8243 years ago.
Q: Who was there before that?
A: Asian tribes and number 3 prototype.
Q: What is a number 3 prototype?
A: Known as Neanderthal man.
Q: And what are we?
A: Number 4 types c and d. Translation into English comprehension.
The use above of the words prototype sounds like an experiment does it not? Well, three months later the conversation became more direct.

950121 said:
Q: (L) Let me ask this one before the tape runs out and we take a break. What is the "ultimate secret" being protected by the Consortium?
A: You are not in control of yourselves, you are an experiment. BREAK
Q: Do you have anything else to say on that subject?
A: Up to you.
Q: (T) When you say this is the ultimate secret, that we're being "protected" from by the government, are we talking about the ultimate secret of humans only here?
A: Basically.
Q: (T) The ultimate secret of the human race is that we are an experiment that other humans are conducting on the rest of us?
A: Part.
Q: (T) Okay, does the other part have to do with the Lizards?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Other aliens also?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) Okay, so, are the humans who are running the experiment, do they know that they are part of the experiment also?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) And they're doing this willingly?
A: They have no choice.
Q: (L) Why do they have no choice?
A: Already in progress.
Q: (T) What is the experiment about?
A: Too complicated for you to understand.
Q: (J) I hate it when that happens! (T) Okay, is this part of, is this about the experiment the Lizzies are doing of dominating us and sucking us dry?
A: Yes, but there's much more than that, you will understand at level 4.
Another experimental creation:
000527 said:
Q: (L) Next question: This was something that was bugging me, and somebody sent an e-mail asking the same question, so I thought I would toss it in here. What is the origin of the Finns? They are quite different from their neighbors, and something of a puzzle.
A: Tribal split in transit.
Q: (L) What tribe?
A: In other words, "you take the high road and I'll take the low road..."
Q: (L) Are they split off from the Hungarians? Were the Hungarians and the Finns originally the same tribe?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) And what is the origin of the Hungarians and Finns before they split?
A: Carpathian zone.
Q: (L) Now, you have them in a locator, what is the origin of their genotype since they sort of stand out alone?
A: What do you propose?
Q: (L) I guess that they were another experimental creation. A genetic "tweak," so to speak.
A: Works for us. [Laughter.]
Next follows more on the reasons for different races.
941018 said:
Q: (L) It can be karmically determined to be born into one race or another?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Are the Aryan/Celts who came to this planet from the other one that was destroyed, were they, when they came, in any way superior to the humans already here?
A: Somewhat.
Q: (L) What was the nature of this superiority?
A: Durability.
Q: (L) Physical or mental?
A: Physical.
Q: (L) Well, blond haired, blue-eyed people seem to be somewhat more delicate or thin-skinned compared to, say, the blacks.
A: In this environment on surface.
Q: (L) Which race on earth is the oldest?
A: All are same.
Q: (L) Even the Aryan/Celts from the other planet?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Was there ever a time in history when Kantek, Martek, and Earth were all three occupied by sentient races which communicated with one another?
A: No.
Q: (L) Was there ever a time in history when all three planets were occupied simultaneously?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Why are there different races?
A: Many reasons. Experimental creations. Partly.
Q: (L) Where did the Orientals come from?
A: Same as all others. Result of experimentation.
Q: (L) Did they originate on this planet? Are they native to this planet?
A: Both. Orientals reserved for souls most advanced; Aryans most aggressive; Negroes most naturally attuned to earth vibrational frequency. So are "native Americans".
941007 said:
Q: (L) What is the origin of the Aryan race?
A: 5th planet now know as asteroid belt.
Q: (L) When did they come to earth?
A: 80 thousand years ago? Difficult for us to use your measuring system.
Q: (L) Were they similar in form and structure to what they are now?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Why is it that our scientists have not been able to uncover evidence of such ancient existence?
A: They have. Do not want to acknowledge it.
Q: (L) Where do the Celts come from?
A: Same. Ferocious people. Came from fifth planet.
Q: (L) When was that planet destroyed?
A: 80 thousand years ago.
A comment on the Celts
950924 said:
A: "Celtic," what does it mean?
Q: (L) Well, the word "kilt" comes from "Celtic," but no one seems to know where they originated... they just sort of appeared on the landscape, so to speak.
A: Exactly!
Q: (L) Are you going to tell us?
A: No, not just as of yet.
Q: (L) So, there is some interesting connection! (RC) Does it mean "warrior race?"
A: If you prefer! We have close affiliation with the "Northern Peoples." Why? Because we were in regular, direct contact with them on Kantek, before they were "lifted" to Earth by Orion STS.
Q: (L) If you were in direct contact with them, how come they were in cahoots with the Orion STS bunch?
A: Who says they are in "kahoots?"
Q: (L) Weren't they rescued by the Orion STS?
A: Yes. But one need not be in "kahoots" to be rescued!!!
The ancestors of the Swedes were among the Kantekkians.
960609 said:
Q: (L) Can you express an opinion about Swedish genes, and any specific properties of these genes?
A: Yes. They tend to produce blonds with the greatest of proficiency.
Q: (L) Are there any specific properties to those genes that are of specific interest to aliens or extraterrestrials?
A: Only that which we have already told you, that this was the last "race" to be seeded on earth in 3rd density.
The expression "seeded on earth in 3rd density" leaves open 1st, 2nd, 4th and, who knows, 5th.

More on the Kantek planet.
941007 said:
Q: (L) The planet that was destroyed between Jupiter and Mars, you said was destroyed by psychic energy?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) What was the source of this psychic energy?
A: Beings inhabiting the planet.
Q: (L) Do beings in this area of the galaxy just sort of destroy their planets from time to time? Is this getting to be a habit?
A: Close. Has been.
Q: (L) Did any of those beings leave that planet and come to earth?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Who were they? Were they humans like us?
A: Blond and blue eyed descendants.
Q: (L) Was that a colder planet?
A: No.
Q: (L) Was that planet much like earth?
A: Yes.
A: Blue eyes. Eye pigment was because planet was farther from Sol.
Q: (L) How did the people of that planet come to earth? Did they know it was going to be destroyed?
A: Some knew and were taken by Lizzies and they are the Annunaki.
The following quotes describe some of the purposes of genetic engineering and who did it.
940930 said:
Q: (L) Was the human race genetically engineered to be slaves?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) And who were the genetic engineers of this slavehood?
A: Lizard beings.
941007 said:
Q: (L) The Sumerian story of the creation of human beings involves a story where they say they killed a god and mixed his blood and parts to mix with mud and then planted it in these female "gestation" goddesses and that this is where the human race came from. Now, this sounds an awful lot like what the "Grays" are doing at the present time. Did someone actually kill a "god", break his soul in pieces, and thereby make the human race?
A: Symbolism and not correct event sequence.
Q: (L) What was that story about? What was the real seed event?
A: Lizard beings genetically altering the human race after battle for their own feeding purposes.
Q: (L) When did these events that these Sumerian stories are talking about take place?
A: 309000 years ago, approx.
The DNA changes were done by the Lizard beings for their own feeding purposes.
960601 said:
A: It is not hardness. The "feelings" you describe are related to ego, and by relation, pride, two things that were deliberately implanted into the 3rd density human psyche by the 4th density STS 309,000 years ago, as you measure time. Refer to the transcripts with regard to DNA alteration and the occipital ridge.
941107 said:
Q: (L) I would like to know what is the origin and meaning of the Biblical story of the "mark of Cain"? Was it a physical mark?
A: Knot at top of spine.
Q: (L) Do you mean like a humpback?
A: No. Signified.
Q: (L) Was it a physical knot on top of the spine?
A: Is yours and all others. Feel your head.
Q: (L) The occipital ridge?
A: Close.
Q: (L) Well if I have it does it mean that I am a murderer?
A: No. More superstitions spread by brotherhood.
Q: (L) Well, what did the mark of Cain signify?
A: Jealousy.
Q: (L) Jealousy of whom?
A: All humans.
Q: (L) Was there a group of people who were set apart by this mark?
A: No. All it is is one of your shortcomings genetically engineered by the Lizards.
941126 said:
Q: (L) The other night we were talking about the "Mark of Cain" and I lost part of the tape. I would like to go back over that a little bit more at this time. What was the true event behind the story of the "Mark of Cain?"
A: Advent of jealousy.
Q: (L) What occurred to allow jealousy to enter into human interaction?
A: Lizard takeover.
Q: (L) Wasn't the Lizard takeover an event that occurred at the time of the fall of Eden?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Was this story of Cain and Abel part of that takeover?
A: Symbolism of story.
Q: (L) This was symbolic of the Lizzie takeover, the advent of jealousy, and the attitude of brother against brother, is that correct?
A: Partly. The mark of Cain means the "jealousy factor" of change facilitated by Lizard takeover of earth's vibrational frequency. Knot on spine is physical residue of DNA restriction deliberately added by Lizards. See?
Q: (L) Okay, J** is going to move her hand up my back and you tell her when to stop at the "knot".
A: Okay.
Q: (L) You mean the occipital ridge?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) What was the configuration of the spine and skull prior to this addition?
A: Spine had no ridge there. Jealousy emanates from there, you can even feel it.
Q: (L) Do any of these emotions that we have talked about that were generated by DNA breakdown, were any of these related to what Carl Sagan discusses when he talks about the "Reptilian Brain"?
A: In a roundabout way.
Q: (L) Okay, at the time this "Mark of Cain" came about, were there other humans on the planet that did not have this configuration?
A: It was added to all simultaneously.
Q: (L) How did they physically go about performing this act? What was the mechanism of this event, the nuts and bolts of it?
A: Are you ready? DNA core is as yet undiscovered enzyme relating to carbon. Light waves were used to cancel the first ten factors of DNA by burning them off. At that point, a number of physical changes took place including knot at top of spine. Each of these is equally reflected in the ethereal.
Q: (L) Is that all?
A: No. But, do you need more?
941016 said:
Q: (L) "Another angel followed, a third, saying with a mighty voice saying whoever pays homage to the beast and permits his stamp to be put on his forehead or on his hand he too shall have to drink of the wine of God's indignation and wrath poured undiluted into the cup of his anger, and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the lamb..."
A: Disinformation. Intended to create fear and resistance so that the aliens can feed off of these emotions.
"Disinformation" relates to:
020622 said:
A: Notice carefully how the STS domination has been created and maintained. It is not done with the objective of promoting knowledge. As you know, it is done with the intent of hiding truth. What is wrong with pointing the door to greater potential knowledge out for those in Darkness? You can shine the light on the door. The choice of opening it and passing within is up to the seeker.
"Disinformation" also relates to:
941005 said:
A: Believing that one source contains all knowledge is contradicting reality.
Q: (L) What was the flaming sword barring re-entry to Eden?
A: Do you not understand?
Q: (L) No I do not understand.
A: Review.
Q: (F) If the concept was the eating of the fruit of the tree of knowledge provides all knowledge, then one is being deceived, because no one particular source can provide all knowledge. Therefore, when one believes in the deception, one has now trapped oneself within parameters.
[A:] And, forevermore, the human race, will be poisoned by the very same problem which is reflected in several different ways: one is always seeking the truth through one pathway instead of seeking it through a myriad of pathways; and also believing in simplistic answers to very complex issues and questions.
I inserted the [A:] above because the language in the following sentence is not that of (F) and because the sentence is followed by a "Q: (L)" instead of an "A:", so I conclude the A section is in the "(F)" remark. Anyway for interest the following sentences are:

941005 said:
Q: (L) What was the flaming sword barring re-entry into the garden of Eden?
A: Symbolizes trap.
Q: (L) A self-imposed flaming sword?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Where was Eden?
A: Earth.
Q: (L) The entire earth was Eden?
A: Yes.
Section three:

The remark futher up about the intention by "to create fear and resistance" shows that if one can react to a difficult situation without fear one takes away the food. But it is not always easy to act smart:

950422 said:
A: It is very easy to be manipulated, thus be confused and see demons where there are none and the opposite.
Q: (L) Are you saying that these guys were manipulated?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Can you identify the source of the manipulation?
A: Varied.
Q: (L) Can you give us a couple of hints, here. Name one of the sources of the manipulation?
A: Lizard race.
Q: (T) Name another.
A: All their agents conscious and otherwise.
Q: (L) Can you tell us who are some of the human Lizard agents? (LM) Organizationally. (L) We won't tell!
A: All humans are at one "time" or another.
Some qualtities of Orion STS and Lizard Beings.
950902 or 950909 said:
Q: (L) Are the Lizard Beings agents for some other group?
A: Well that is a rather simple question. But, there are levels of authority in 4th density STS environment. And these are determined by intellectual and physical prowess, as always, in STS. The "pecking order" as you call it. So, therefore, we could state that at the bottom are those you are familiar with as the Gray beings, and in the middle are those you would call the Lizard Beings, and above that are others that you are not so familiar with.
Q: (L) Who are they?
A: The most commonly known, of course, are the Orion STS.
Q: (L) What do they look like?
A: They are, in fact, humanoid in structure, resembling large human beings.
Q: (L) And we don't see them that often?
A: Well, of course you know by now, that the ones most frequently seen on 3rd density level, are the Gray beings. All other equally less frequently seen
Who or what made us?
950924 said:
A: Who, or what made you?
Q: (RC) The Creator. (L) Prime Creator.
A: How? And who is Prime Creator?
Q: (L) Everything, I guess.
A: You are "Prime Creator."
Q: (L)Well, we know we are... (RC) We are creators, but we aren't the Prime Creator...
A: Prime Creator Manifests IN you.
Sixth density
941005 said:
Q: (L) Was the loss of the Edenic state also accompanied by a takeover of mankind by the Lizzies?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Who were the original creator gods?
A: Us. Sixth Density.
Q: (L) The Cassiopaeans? Were the Pleiadeans also the original creator gods?
A: Same. Sixth Density.
Q: (L) What was the true identity of the serpent in Eden?
A: Lizards.
951007 said:
A: No, it is just merely the point at which we must review for you the modus as opposed to the locus. You have begun to lose sight of the fact that Cassiopaea is a channeling point for three level density transfer, not our "home," as such.
Q: (L) The constellation of Cassiopeia is the third density level transfer point?
A: Yes, but 3 level, not 3rd level. [...]
Q: [...] (L) So, you are saying that Cassiopeia is the point where three density levels converge?
A: Yes.
Primary purpose of communication:
960224 said:
A: Those would still be dismissed by a great many as mere coincidences. We have already given predictions, will continue to do so, but, remember, "time" does not exist. This is a 3rd density illusion. We don not play in that sandbox and cannot and never will. The primary reason for our communication is to help you to learn by teaching yourselves to learn, thereby strengthening your soul energy, and assisting your advancement.
A note on learning.
950507 said:
Q: (L) How did the Sumerians produce their civilization so suddenly and completely, seemingly out of nowhere?
A: Study mathematics for all possible unanswered pieces of the puzzle!!! Interpolate and use appropriate computer program, learning now increases your power tenfold, when you use some initiative, rather than asking us for all the answers directly!!!
Q: (L) The first thing that comes to my mind is to enter in all the dates that they have given us, create a data-base, for data, not necessarily written matter, dates of comets, civilizations, archaeological dates, findings, and so forth, and see how it crunches. Was that all the answer there? (J) I would like to have some more on crop circles.
A: Do you not want an increase in power?
Q: (L) Absolutely. Is there any underlying significance to the Great Year of 25,920 years -- that is the precession of the zodiac?
A: See previous answers.
About sixth density
941014 said:
Q: (L) Are all Cassiopaeans both male and female?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Do you reproduce in anyway?
A: We are Light.
Q: (L) Have the Cassiopaeans ever been in physical bodies?
A: Ever is subjective.
Q: (L) Okay, at any point in space time have you occupied physical bodies?
A: Have, will and do.
Q: (L) Are you talking about the simultaneous past present and future?
A: Omnipresent.
"Omnipresent" includes "We are not separate from you".
950218 said:
Q: (D) Well maybe this whole thing is just to let us realize that we are talking to ourselves from the past...
A: Part. Why resistance.
Q: (D) I guess we just understand it and we are waiting for the next thing.
A: We are not separate from you. Once this is recognized, progress will be made!
You would not exist if someone didn't "dream you up."
960203 said:
Q: (L) Okay, now, there are a lot of current teachings that say that the 'dregs' of other planets are being sent to Earth to 'refine' them, so to speak, and that this is why the human race is so divided and antagonistic... that the interactions are supposed to result in annihilation of the weak and survival of the strong in both physical and spiritual terms.
A: First of all, confusion abounds here due to incorrect interpretations of the last subject discussed. Dimensions are not densities!!!! Dimensions are strictly the result of the universal consciousness as manifested in the imagination sector of thought. Density means level of development as measured in terms of closeness to union with the one... Cycle. So, obviously, the "chupacabras" is a manifestation of human consciousness, and, human beings are a manifestation of the Chupacabras consciousness. Get it? Now, a shocker for you: You would not exist if someone didn't "dream you up."
Q: (L) Who dreamed me up?
A: Not important just yet. You literally are the "figments" of someone's imagination, and nothing more!!!
Q: (L) You mean God dreams and brings us into existence?
A: Remember, "God" is really all existence in creation, in other words, all consciousness. This is because all existence in creation is consciousness, and vice versa.
Q: (L) So, the issues of racial superiority that are brought up in the Urantia book can be answered by 'anything is possible?'
A: Close, but remember, all there is -- is lessons!
Q: (L) Is it true that the 'dregs' of other planets are being sent to earth?
A: That would be subjective.
Original genetic engineers of the human race.
941007 said:
Q: (L) Who were the original genetic engineers of the human race?
A: Us.
Q: (L) The Cassiopaeans, correct?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) For what purpose did you genetically engineer us? Was it a mandate from God?
A: Soul development or advancement.
The reader may like to compare some of the above including the preceding post about the genetic tweekers and some of the following with a quote from Maharishi and make his own conclusions.
Who designed the human physiology?

Global Press Conference, 9.8.06

MAHARISHI: The designer of anything in the world is the same designer. And who is the designer? The totality of intelligence in the unmanifest state - totality of intelligence in the unmanifest state.

It is the unmanifest state that designs. The example is, who has designed this big huge tree? The sap. Where is the sap? The sap is in the hollowness of the seed. This hollowness designs. That which is capable of designing everything that is what designs.

The designer, the creator, is the unmanifest. The creator is unmanifest because it is only the unmanifest that pervades everything. And to design anything that means to bring it out >from the unmanifest to the manifest. To bring out the unmanifest to the manifest.

So the designer is the selfinteracting dynamics of infinity. Selfinteracting dynamics of infinity - unmanifest field of infinity.

Who designs all the trees and everything and everything? Who designs the sun and the moon and the stars and this, this? It is the same designer of the particle who is the designer of the universe - wholeness, totality of Natural Law which pervades every point of creation. And it is from the unmanifest field that it designs. The designer is unmanifest and unmanifest means present everywhere. That is why it has to be the designer of everything is the same designer of anything.

All these animals and birds and all huge enormous diversity, who is the designer? Designer is the unity which pervades everything. That's it. That is what we know to be.
The human prototypical race created on other planet.
000318 said:
Q: Well, you have said that the crop circles are expressions of 6th density thoughts. Does this mean that we are being warned about this?
A: On wrong track. More like an historic pictogram.
Q: Is the orbit depicted without a planet depicting a planet that was destroyed?
A: No.
Q: What does the orbit without a planet depict?
A: Transference.
Q: Transference of that planet to another realm? Transference of what?
A: Those who were relocated after the prototypical population was completed.
Q: Are you saying that this is a pictogram of the mother planet of the human race?
A: Close. That which led to the human race as it now exists.
Q: As we measure time, what period of time does this pictograph represent, counting backward in years?
A: Millions
Super ancient spiritual ancestors are Transient Passengers
941007 said:
Q: (L) You said the other night that there was a planet between Mars and Jupiter that was destroyed and became the asteroid belt. Was this planet ever inhabited by sentient beings?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) What caused this planet to be destroyed?
A: Psychic energy.
Q: (L) And where did the beings come from that lived on this planet? Did they evolve there?
A: No.
Q: (L) Were they also, like us, created beings?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Who created them?
A: Same.
Q: (L) The Cassiopaeans?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Okay, who created the Cassiopaeans?
A: Your super ancient spiritual ancestors.
Q: (L) Do these beings have a name?
A: No.
Q: (L) What are they called?
A: Transient passengers.
Q: (L) Where are these "Transient Passengers" From?
A: Too difficult to explain on this medium; lengthy.
Humans are also Transient Passengers, more on D'Ahnkiar
941116 said:
Q: (L) If the Lizzies have been feeding off of us frequently and are planning to come and take over our planet, why, when they achieved their domination 300,000 years ago, did they not just move here and take up residence and be in charge?
A: No desire to inhabit same realm.
Q: (L) Why was this?
A: You are 3rd level they are 4th level.
Q: (L) Why are they planning to now?
A: They want to rule you in 4th density.
Q: (L) If the mother planet that the human race was seeded on originally, is burned up, or turned into a cinder, I would like to know how it burned up?
A: Star expanded.
Q: (L) Well, if the star expanded, it must have expanded recently, is that correct?
A: Time does not measure that way in that realm.
Q: (L) What realm is that?
A: Time/space warp.
Q: (L) What do you mean by a time/space warp?
A: Too complicated but you already have some understanding of concept.
Q: (L) So, the star expanded and the mother planet was turned into a cinder. If this was the case, it means that it must have turned into a cinder very close to the point, using time loosely, when human beings were created?
A: You can't even use it loosely.
Q: (L) Would you help me out here. I'm trying to figure out why, if that planet was turned into a cinder, why were human beings seeded there... what was the point in being brought into being on a planet that was very shortly to become a cinder... a crispy critter...
A: Okay. Now: "Shocker" For you. It hasn't become a cinder yet.
Q: (L) Okay. What is it. You told us it was a cinder... burned up... what is the real story here?
A: It will be at the same "time" that you go to 4th density. The human race is currently being formed on D'Ahnkiar.
Q: (L) What do you mean that the human race is currently being formed on that planet? Is that because that planet is this planet?
A: No. That closes realm grand cycle.
Q: (L) Are you saying that there are human beings being created on that planet at this current time...
A: Yes, you are. Your race is forming there.
Q: (L) How?
A: Realm crossing understand?
Q: (L) Are you saying that there are 4th density bodies being formed there...
A: No. 3rd.
Q: (L) There are 3rd density bodies... are we going to leave the bodies we are in and go into other bodies?
A: You are drifting... Think carefully. Realm is derivative of reality. Cycle.
Q: (L) So the human race is being formed on this other planet at the present time...
A: Yes.
Q: (L) And at the time of the realm border crossing, this other planet will then become cindered... burned up...
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Where will the human beings go that are being formed on that planet at the time of the realm border crossing?
A: Ancient earth.
Q: (L) They will go to ancient earth?
A: There is no time as you know it; its all just lessons for the collective consciousness.
Q: (L) So at the closing of this grand cycle everything will just start all over again?
A: Not exactly; you see, there is no start.
Q: (L) Are a lot of souls on the earth going to recycle into these new bodies coming onto the earth?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) As ancient mankind?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) And do the whole thing all over again?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) So, in other words, a lot of people are going back to square one?
A: Close.
Q: (L) Is this punishment.
A: No. Nature.
Q: (L) Are some of the souls, at that point, going to move into a higher density level?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Could you give us a percentage on this?
A: No. Open at this point.
Q: (L) Now, getting back to the planet, if at some point in the cycle, bodies were generated on this planet and brought to earth, who brought them?
A: Realm crossing.
Q: (L) It was not a who, it was a what, is that correct?
A: All is who and what.
Q: (L) Well, the other night you mentioned something about the Transient Passengers hauling these bodies off that planet and bringing them to earth, is that correct?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Well, are these Transient Passengers Realms?
A: Yes. So are you.
Q: (L) Do you guys know what you are doing to the linear mind here?
A: Can of worms.
Mind and prejudice:
941227 said:
A: Expand your mind.
Q: (V) I'm trying to. (L) By what means?
A: Less prejudice.
Q: (L) Bet you never thought you would be called prejudiced, did you? (V) Prejudice about what? I don't think they are talking about blacks and whites... (L) I know, but there are other kinds...
A: The universe is an infinite illusion.
Other races were also generated on D'Andhiar. In the genealogy chart could they be fitted in as relatives to the human species?

941102 said:
Q: (L) Now you say there are 36 million Nephilim heading this way, are they 4th density beings?
A: No. They live in 4 d but are 3 d. They are as physical as you. Behave like Gestapo. Gestapo was inspired by Nephilim through Lizard beings' influence over Hitler. It was a practice run.
Q: (L) Are any of the Nephilim going to be friendly toward us?
A: No.
Q: (L) Now, you said that the Nephilim were seeded on a planet called D'Ankhiar as were human beings. When you said we were seeded there, what did you mean.
A: Was proper environment for molecularization.
Q: (L) Are you saying that the physical bodies on planet earth, the various types of mankind such as Neanderthal, Cro-Magnon, Australopithicus etc., were generated on that other planet and then brought here?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) I am assuming that if the Nephilim are 3 d that they die like we do. Is this correct?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) So, we can shoot them and they will die?
A: Correct. But wrong approach.
Q: (L) What is the right approach?
A: Knowledge protects.
More on D'Ankhiar in the constellation Scorpio ( as seen from Earth )
951111 said:
Q: (L) The next question in the list is: You indicated that we should study the legend of Orion, and I looked it up in several sources, and basically the legend is of the perfect man, who fell in love with a woman, and her jealous father caused him to be blinded. The only cure was to gaze at the light, the goddess Aurora, to regain his sight. Can you tell us how this relates to the idea that Orion was the indigenous home of humans?
A: It is up to you to look for answers.
Q: (L) There was an interesting reference in one of the books of the relationship of Orion to Scorpio, that Orion's bow is drawn at Scorpio. And, at one other point, you said that the physical bodies of mankind were molecularized, and ARE being molecularized, on a planet called D'Ankhiar, which is in the constellation Scorpio.
A: Yes.
Q: (L) What is the relationship of Orion to Scorpio? The Orion "bad guys," shooting at Scorpio which is the place of origin of the physical manifestation of the human race...
A: Bad guys?
Q: (L) Forget I said bad guys. "Shooting at Scorpio." Is there any relationship, symbolically, to the fact that the human bodies...
A: It is all interrelated.
971004 said:
Q: Another derivation of the word root of Scorpio is 'skopos,' or 'to see.' You said that the human race was seeded on a planet in the constellation Scorpio, and, therefore, when the zodiac was set up and the clues were laid out, it seems to me that the insertion of the sign of Libra was designed to take power away from human beings, to take their hands away, to prevent them from seeing, to make them defenseless. Is this imagery close?
A: On track.
To understand the quote immediately above the next is useful.
970809 said:
Q: Okay. Now, next question: I understand that Libra was added to the zodiac and broke Scorpio and Virgo apart. Were there originally 10 or 11 signs in the zodiac?
A: Originally?
Q: You know what I mean!
A: There have been many combinations.
Q: Well, when did the present 12 sign zodiac begin to be established as it is?
A: 1302 A.D.
Q: And how many signs were there before that?
A: 11
Q: That's what I thought. What is the source of the oldest zodiac available to us?
A: Atlantis.
Q: Well, fine, what is the oldest extant source in terms of writings?
A: Egypt.
Whether there are 11 or 12 houses may become of less astrological significance in 4th density:
000909 said:
Q: (L) Is there, in 4th density, an equivalent to 3rd density astrology?
A: Not needed there.
Libra is ruled by Venus. The transcripts and other sources indicate that Venus has not always been in the orbit where it is now.
941116 said:
Q: (L) Was the physical human race always two sexes, that is, male and female?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Did Atlantis go down as a series of destructions?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) How many cataclysms?
A: Three.
Q: (L) Were these cataclysms all caused by the same source?
A: No.
Q: (L) And you said that the "flood of Noah" was the story of the final deluge and destruction of Atlantis?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) And that was caused by what?
A: Venus.
Q: (L) I thought you said it was caused by Martek?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Well, how can it be caused by Venus if it was caused by Martek?
A: Venus also "caused" Martek.
Q: (L) You said that the earth, up to that time, was surrounded by a water vapor canopy, correct?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) And when Mars came by it overloaded the earth's atmosphere and it fell as a deluge, correct?
A: Close.
Q: (L) When did Venus enter the solar system?
A: 80000 years approximately.
Q: (L) How many close passes to the earth did Venus make?
A: Seven.
Q: (L) Was Venus involved with the planet Kantek which you said exploded due to psychic energies generated by its inhabitants?
A: No.
There are other quotes on Venus but for the present we move on to the next issue more relevant to genealogy and which again points to humans not being products of carnal love and some random mutations only. It describes the different races as Lab Creations. In other words life is not merely a stressed or for some blissful "rat race" it is an elaborate "lab race". Lab in the sense of laboratory and "merry-go-round".

The text below in bold is related to genealogy in a broader context because it introduces the idea that the human race or its descendants, whatever they may look like, could become progenitors of other life forms. My guess is that it would be after having achieved a unified soul as described above in 970920.

950924 said:
Q: (L) They said it was the Orions. Are the Orions these secondary creators? (RC) Well, I read that it was the Pleiadians. And the Hebrews were originally the Hoovids who came from Sirius...
A: Here comes a shocker for you... one day, in 4th density, it will be your descendants mission to carry on the tradition and assignment of seeding the 3rd density universe, once you have the adequate knowledge!!!
Q: (L) If the Orion STS brought the Celts here, were the Celts, while they lived on Kantek, in the form they are in now?
A: They were lighter in appearance.
Q: (L) You have told us on other occasions that the Semitic peoples were remnants of the Atlanteans, and yet they are quite unlike...
A: Whoa!! Wait a minute, let's not get ahead of ourselves. First things first. What R*** said was not entirely factual. Remember, there is much disinformation to weed through.
Q: (RC) What did I say that was not factual?
A: In this part of your 3rd and 4th density universe, specifically your "galaxy" it is the region known as Orion that is the one and only indigenous home of human type beings... reflect on this! Indigenous home base, not sole locator. What you are most in need of review of is the accurate profile of "alien" data.
Q: (RC) I thought that humans originated in Lyra and then a war broke out there and they ended up in Orion.
A: Lyra is not inhabited. There have been homes in all places, but some were/are transitory, and some are not. Pay attention to Orion! This is your ancestral home, and your eventual destination. Here is the absolutely accurately accurate profile of Orion to follow: This is the most heavily populated region of your Milky Way galaxy! This is a region that extends across 3rd and 4th density space for a distance as vast as the distance between your locator and it. There are 3,444 inhabited "worlds" in this region. Some are planets as you know them. Some are artificially constructed planetoids. Some are floating space barges. And some are "satellites." There are primary homes, traveling stations and incubator laboratories all in 2nd, 3rd and 4th densities. There are overseer zones in 5th and 6th densities. Approximately one half is STO and one half is STS. Together, along with many other colonies, located elsewhere, this is called, in translation, Orion Federation. Orions created grays in 5 varieties, as cybergenetic beings, and installed them on Zeta Reticuli 1, 2, 3, and 4, as well as on 2 planets orbiting Barnard's Star. The Reptilians also inhabit 6 planets in the Orion region in 4th density, and are owned by the Orion STS as slaves, and, in some cases, pets!!! The name "Orion" is the actual native name, and was brought to earth directly. Study the legend of the "god" of Orion for parallels.
Q: (L) Are the Orion STS the infamous red-headed Nordic aliens?
A: Yes, and all other humanoid combinations.
Q: (L) Okay, if it started with the Nordic types, and that is where the other humanoid combinations came from, what genetic combinations were used for human beings? Black people, for instance, since they are so unlike "Nordics?"
A: The Nordic genes were mixed with the gene pool already available on Earth, known as Neanderthal.
Q: (L) What was the genetic combination used to obtain the Oriental races?
A: Orientals come from a region known in your legends as "Lemuria," and are a previous hybridization from 7 genetic code structures from within Orion Union, designed to best fit the earth climate and cosmic ray environment then existent on earth.
Q: (L) Okay, what about the Semitic and Mediterranean peoples?
A: Each time a new flock was "planted," it was engineered to be best suited to the environment where it was planted. Aryans are the only exception, as they had to be moved to earth in an emergency.
Q: (L) If races are engineered on earth to be "best suited," what factors are being drawn from or considered regarding the Semitic race?
A: They are not engineered on earth, but in Orion lab as all others. They were "Planted" in the Middle East.
Q: (L) What genetic type were the Atlanteans?
A: They were the same as the "Native Americans."
Q: (L) What were the roots of the Native American type? Was there a basic type that was here on the planet and was then taken to an Orion lab and genetically modified and then planted?
A: No!!! Have you been paying attention?!?!
Q: (L) What did I miss? Why do some Native Americans believe they come from the Pleiades?
A: Where are the Pleiades?
Q: (L)Well, near Orion. (RC) Oh, okay. So, they are considering the Pleiades part of Orion. What about Sirius?
A: Sirius is confused as a locator because it appears in similar location in the sky in the northern hemisphere. The American Indians were confused in the translation because of similar seeming location due to vantage point.
Q: (L) Okay. (RC) Well, but Sirius is clearly Sirius! It's the brightest star in the sky... it's in all the legends! (L) Well, it could be that it is not just misinterpretation, but deliberate disinformation? (RC) How could it be translated wrong? This is not clear! The star charts are very specific!
A: How have YOU translated YOUR legends wrong?
Q: (F) I think the point is that it is clear that we, in our present culture, are easily able to get things very wrong, even from the more recent times; so it is not a great consideration to think that the more ancient legends can also be distorted, embellished, and misrepresented.
A: Review what we said at the beginning of this session.
Q: (L) Did the Dogon come from Sirius?
A: All humanoid types originated in Orion region, there are and have been and will continue to be literally millions of colonies.
Above it was said that the white people came from another planet, but sometimes apparently other people were removed form the Earth.
980822 said:
Q: We watched this television show the other night which talked about the city of Angkor Wat and its orientation to Draco 10,500 BC. You said that Angkor Wat was built 3108 years ago by the Lizzies themselves, and that the city of Mohenjo Daro was also built by the Lizzies 3065 years ago, which is within 30 or 40 years of the same time period. Do you still confirm that the Lizzies themselves built these cities?
A: Reptilian Beings.
Q: And they did this themselves?
A: Yes.
Q: What happened to the inhabitants of these cities?
A: Taken to another planet.
In the quote second but last there was a mentioning of Lemuria. More is explained in the next excerpt which also mentions the Nephilim.
941102 said:
Q: (L) Does that mean that the Nephilim were present in Lemuria?
A: Close.
Q: (L) Where was Lemuria located?
A: Pacific off South America.
Q: (L) So when the Easter Island natives talk about their ancestors they are talking about people who came from the direction of South America?
A: No. Right near all around. Easter Island is remnant of Lemuria.
Q: (L) What happened to Lemuria?
A: Submerged close to time you refer to as Fall of Eden, approximately.
Q: (L) Well if the Nephilim were brought here 9 to 12 thousand years ago...
A: Last visit. Have been here 5 times. Will return.
Q: (L) The Nephilim are going to return? Where do the Nephilim currently live?
A: Orion.
Q: (L) They live in the constellation Orion? Where is their planet?
A: Don't have one. In transit.
Q: (L) The whole dadgum bunch is in transit?
A: Three vehicles.
Q: (L) How many Nephilim does each vehicle hold?
A: About 12 million.
The inhabitants of Mohenjo Daro were not the only ones that interacted with other races. Also there is the reference in the following to some of them being hybrids (short for "high breeds" is it?).

950808 said:
Q: (L) Who and what were the Mayans?
A: The Mayans were a transitory people who still exist in the lands that you refer to as Central America. And who have certain physical features that are not consistent with the rest of human beings on 3rd density Earth environment, due to their interactions, in the past, as you measure time, with beings of other density levels.
Q: (L) What beings would those be?
A: Well, we have described 4th density STS beings on many occasions.
Q: (L) The Lizard Beings?
A: Indeed.
Q: (L) Who was Arajuna of Tiahuanaco?
A: Well, we believe that you are referring to one of approximately eight hybrids that ruled the area currently referred to as Central America. Hybrids being a 4th density to 3rd density transfer experiment from the Lizard race to the human race, which was abandoned after approximately 240 years of experimentation by the Lizard Beings, due to the lack of success for sustaining physical duplication, or reproduction of the race. It was one of several attempts by the Lizard Beings to directly transmit their souls into 3rd density environment for permanent placement there. And, of course it is no longer perceived as necessary by them because their intention is to rule 3rd density beings in 4th density when they arrive there.
Q: (L) Who built the city of Tiahuanaco?
A: The Lizard Beings in cooperation with humans.
Q: (L) When was it built?
A: Varying time frames since it seems to have been destroyed at two points. We have to estimate an average of 8,000 years prior to the current time, as you measure it.
Even in ancient times not always peaceful
000219 said:
Q: I mean, there are stones just plain missing! Who could haul off such big pieces of rock?! . (A) You asked about these missing stones, and the answer was the multiple shocks registered. (L) Right. What about these multiple shocks. What, in particular?
A: Some were earthquakes; mini-cataclysmic in nature. Some were EM generated smashes, when terran forces clashed with outside "forces."
Q: Are you suggesting that some of these rocks were vaporized, as it were, by some sort of particle beam weaponry?
A: EM activity.
While being on the subject of old civilisations some of them were not of the type of humans or humanoids of which we have been told in school.

Terran civilization by 18 feet talls
941210 said:
Q: (L) Were Atlantis and Lemuria the most ancient of Earth's civilizations?
A: No.
Q: (L) What advanced civilizations were before Atlantis and Lemuria?
A: Many.
Q: (L) Was there an ancient advanced civilization located in the area we now call Antarctica?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) What was the name of this civilization?
A: Gor.
Q: (L) What kind of individuals lived in Gor?
A: 18 feet tall.
Q: (L) Were they humanoid and did they look like us?
A: Close.
Q: (L) Were they male and female like us?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) And did they have space travel capabilities?
A: No interest.
Q: (L) Are there any remains of their civilization left?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Did they only inhabit Antarctica?
A: No.
Q: (L) Did they inhabit the whole world?
A: Close.
Q: (L) Are there any remains in Florida?
A: No.
Q: (L) Where might the remains be found
A: South America.
Q: (L) Where in South America?
A: Amazon. Ancient legend of Amazons.
Q: (L) Do our scientists know any of this?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Are there remains of Atlantis and Lemuria?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Do our scientists know of any of those?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Are they withholding information on purpose?
A: Yes.
000408 said:
A: Specimens survive by sheer luck.
Q: So, they are lucky that they have any specimens at all. Who knows when they find a very ancient specimen of a modern type human, they won't believe it - it will be called an "anomaly!" There ARE artifacts that are EXTREMELY ancient, which give evidence of the presence of modern type man, and they just simply argue themselves to death over them.
A: Yes.
Q: They ignore them. But, during the time Neanderthal man was on the Earth, did he live alongside Modern man?
A: Yes. Except modern type man was different then.
Q: In what ways?
A: DNA and psycho/electrical frequencies.
Q: Does this mean that their physical appearance was different from what we consider to be modern man?
A: Radiance.
How a civilisation can come to an end.
940930 said:
Q: (L) Was the story of Noah's flood the story of the breaking up of Atlantis?
A: Yes. But symbolic.
Q: (L) How many people were on the planet at that time?
A: 6 billion.
Q: (L) Out of this six billion people, how many survived?
A: 119 million.
Different races or species have been living in, on or near the Earth:
950808 said:
Q: (L) What do you mean? There was a race supposedly called the Hyperborean...
A: That is a masking.
Q: (L) What is a masking?
A: A masking is an incorrect description of an historical event or condition.
Q: (L) What was the true event or condition that is masked as the Hyperboreans?
A: There have been, in your third density environment, at various points in space-time, residing on the surface of your planet, and also within its atmosphere, which structure has changed repeatedly, and, in fact, underneath the surface of your physical environment in 3rd density, a great many types of races of humans, some of whom are currently existing in your environment, and some of whom are not. And, also alternate humans. In other words, human-like 3rd density beings who could not be accurately described as humans as you know them. And, also there has been interaction with 4th density beings who pose as 3rd density beings, and 3rd density beings who have, at times in your history, have been able to temporarily and at will interact with 4th density in such a way as to present themselves as 4th density beings. So, we are describing here a virtual potpourri of history involving intelligent life within some realm or condition of your environment. To zero in on any group and give them a name at this point is not really appropriate as names connote approval, but, in fact, may merely be a stamp.
Section four:

Next an explanation of the possibility that even people that look like all others may not be.

Organic portals, holographic projections and Men in Black.
020914 said:
Q: (L) The question came up about the remark as to the numbers of OPs and you said something about encountering half as many OP's as souled humans. It was pointed out that, in mathematical terms, that would work out to encountering or interacting with more souled humans than OPs. So, you said the population was evenly distributed, when you say the population was evenly distributed does that mean that there are half organic portals and half souled humans, more or less?
A: Yes
Q: (L) So when you say encountering 'half as many,' what does that mean?
A: It means that "souls" run in families for the most part. Thus a souled, and we mean "potentially fully souled", individual is likely to encounter and interact more with other souled humans. However, when awakening, they may encounter even more OP's.
Q: (L) So they tend to run in families, or there can be aberrations. Or a family that's mostly OP's could have an occasional souled human, which they don't know what to do with. And, in the same way, a family of mostly souled people could have an occasional OP, or a line of them that pops up in the family every now and then. But for the most part, people with souls marry people with souls unless there is some danger of them awakening in which case there's special situation where they insert OP's into their lives. But I would say that in a general sense what they're saying, and y'all can correct me if I'm wrong here, is that, what, water seeks its own level, so to speak?
A: More or less.
Q: (L) So in other words, the people who noticed that remark were right, and the way I took it was wrong. But it still means that the overall population is split about equally between the two "races." Okay, another question, are there other types of soulless beings more than those reanimated or remolecularized dead dudes and OP's? Is there such things as holographic projection beings running around on the planet at this point and time?
A: In a sense, you are all "holographic" projections. But to answer the question, it is rare.
Q: (L) So, there are holographic projection type beings or there can be, but there's not too many of them. Alright, on to the next question. Are there any particular clues that we could have about identifying OP's?
A: Is it necessary to have more clues? Remember some things are to be learned.
Q: (C) I think they're saying to start paying attention, making mental notes and figuring it out for yourself. (J) Didn't they say that generally OP's don't get abducted? (L) Well, we've certainly been given a lot of clues over the years, we just weren't ready and didn't know what they were talking about. (C) I think it's probably better, from what they're saying, if we just all figure it out from experience. You learn more by just watching than if they handed it to you. (L) Another question we had was, in areas where 3rd and 4th density are merged or merging, is it easier for Men in Black to project themselves into such a reality.
A: Of course.
Q: (J) They once said something about bi-density beings. They were like hybrids between 4th density beings and a 3rd density being. Or could such an individual be a genetically enhanced human?
A: Humans were once "bi-density." And some may be again in the natural way. Those of 4D STS "manufacture" are similar. Just think of them as a type of OP with souped up engines.
Regarding how a species can disappear apart from dying out:
941005 said:
Q: (L) What happened to Neanderthal man?
A: Removed by Lizzies to other planets.
Q: (L) Is that removed as in taken off the planet physically?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) What planet were they taken to?
A: Others.
And if it does not die out it could be changed.
941020 said:
Q: We would like to know what is the origin of the Gypsies.
A: Genes spliced. Slaves of dark forces.
Q: Who are these dark forces?
A: Same.
Q: As what?
A: Brotherhood.
Q: Does this brotherhood consist of Lizzies and various humans?
A: Yes.
Q: If the Gypsies were gene spliced, who were they gene spliced with?
A: Alien race, humanoid, and Atlantean drone workers.
Q: What were Atlantean drone workers?
A: Slave people controlled by crystal.
Q: Why do the Gypsies remain so cohesive? Is that genetically programmed?
A: Yes. And mind control.
The above it interesting in the light The Case For The UFO by Morris K. Jessup, Varo Edition - Book Download (pdf) In it there are some remarks made by alleged Romani people, who have retained a knowledge of their different past although not the details given above,

Some, mostly Caucasians ALSO carry residual traces of another species:
960224 said:
Q: (L) Would these Nephilim genetics be passed down in the natural way, or would they be the result of genetic manipulation by genetically altering a fetus and then putting it back?
A: No to latter. One clue: double Y chromosomes.
Q: (W) That's male...
A: Nephalim were.
Q: (L) They, were male. Women are a double X, men are XY.
A: Prisons are filled with double Y's with monstrous personality disorders, almost always Caucasian and over- sized.
A: Nephalim are not currently on your world, just trace residuals.
Q: (L) Trace residuals in people. And there are supposed to be 36 million of them coming...
A: With the wave."
Blue or white?
941018 said:
Q: (L) Who were the blue skinned people written about in the Vedas?
A: Aryans.
Q: (L) Were the Aryans originally blue skinned?
A: No.
Q: (L) Why did the Vedas talk about blue-skinned people and why are there blue skinned people in remote areas of the Appalachians?
A: Are whites real "white"?
Q: (L) Were there ever any really blue people?
A: No. They were perceived as blue due to thinness of skin and contrast with native population.
Native American Indians
941007 said:
Q: (L) What is the source of the Native American Indians?
A: Asia.
Q: (L) Across the Bering Strait?
A: No. Rescued. Transferred.
Q: (L) By whom?
A: Grays.
Q: (L) What were they rescued out of?
A: Cataclysm.
Q: (L) When did that cataclysm occur?
A: 7200 years ago approx.
Q: (L) What was the nature of that cataclysm?
A: Comets.
Q: (L) Where do the Basques come from?
A: Atlantis.
Q: (L) Is their language the Atlantean language?
A: Derivative.
Q: (L) Which came first, the Sumerians of the Egyptians.
A: Sumerians.
Q: (L) Where did the Egyptians come from?
A: Atlantis.
Q: (L) Which came first, the Sumerians or Atlanteans?
A: Atlanteans.
Q: (L) Were the Sumerians a high civilization at the same time the Atlanteans were?
A: After.
Q: (L) Did the Atlanteans go to Sumeria and afterwards go to Egypt?
A: Traveled.
Q: (L) The Atlanteans traveled to Sumeria?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Did they set up outposts in Sumeria?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Then did the main Atlanteans move to Egypt when Atlantis was destroyed?
A: Yes. And elsewhere.
Q: (L) Where else did the Atlanteans go?
A: Americas. Inca. Aztec. Maya. Hopi Tribe. Pima tribe.
Above in the beginning it is said that Native American Indian are of Asian origin, at the end it is said that some tribes which are considered Native American Indian are of Atlantean Origin. One can also understand that those who were in Asia before coming to America were descendants of Atlanteans.
In addition one can get the idea that there were more than one migration at more than one time.

An early Persian race.
950808 said:
Q: (L) Who built the statues at Damien in Kabul?
A: An early Persian race, 3rd density in nature.
Q: (L) Does the Agartha exist?
A: No.
Reanimated remote controlled humans
951021 said:
Q: (L) OK, well, will you expand my database by telling me how a corpse can be reanimated if not done by a... if not with a soul?
A: Complex technology, using electronic biogeneration frequency matching, combined with extremely high frequency radio beacon transmitters for tracking and control of all functions, including thought pattern mimic and emotional frequency vibrational rate modulation!!!!
Q: (L) If they're doing this, does it make the physical body...
A: Yes.
Q: (L) The blood, the heartbeat and everything...
A: All functions, including cellular, duplicated.
Q: (SV) What about the aura? (L) Would a being such as this still have an aura?
A: Projected.
Q: (L) OK, that would be projected, along with all of the frequencies, and everything else. Now... (SV) Are there a lot of dead people walking around?
A: This is method used for subjects discussed in "Matrix Material" instead of "Robots", as suggested.
Q: (L) Is there any way that a normal person would be able to identify such a being?
A: No.
Q: (L) Approximately how many of this type of being are walking around on our planet, acting like normal people?
A: 2,000,000.
Q: (L) Approximately 2 million?
A: Yes.
A: Not conscious beings!
Q: (L) They're not conscious beings, so, they just react to you as though they are being remote controlled. (SV) So, if you told one of them what they were...
A: Are being remote controlled.
960428 said:
Q: (L) Okay, if a person were, say, a robot person, when a person becomes a robot person, what happens to the soul of the robot person?
A: Same process.
Q: (L) As what?
A: Death.
When the Cassiopaeans mention as above the word "soul" what does it mean?
941227 said:
Q: (L) Well, when one is dealing with psychology, what would be the best approach... what is the true aspect of the self or the being that one should inquire into in order to heal?
A: Subconscious mind.
Q: (V) Is the statement that psychology studies emotions, is that a fair statement?
A: No. Subconscious is same in body or out.
Q: (V) The subconscious is part of the soul?
A: One and same.
Q: (V) Is the higher self the same as the soul and the subconscious?
A: Yes.
Q: (V) Please define true psychology for me?
A: Half.
Q: (L) What do you mean by half? What is the half?
A: Half spirituality.
Besides the physical similarities and differences among people, there are the variations in the soul, although there was mention earlier of a group decision to occupy 3rd density STS, possibly not all incarnated humans really are a native part of this group, a few are Wanderers.

The Ra material and Wanderers.
960811 said:
Q: (L) Oh, the Cassiopaean variety is the product of an overactive imagination. OK, since the Ra material is considered to be a kind of primer to the Cassiopaean material, could you give us a percentage on the accuracy of this material?
A: 63
Q: (L) 63%, Well, that's pretty good, considering... (J)It's not bad... (T) A lot of it's very good stuff... (L) Can you talk to us a little bit about the concept of Wanderers? Is the Ra concept of Wanderers a valid...
A: Yes.
Q: (L) OK, is there anything about Wanderers that you can tell us, that would help us to identify them?
A: Specifics, please.
Q: (L) OK, is it a correct point of reference that Wanderers are individuals who feel alienated in the world system?
A: Yes but they can partially adapt.
Q: (L) OK, do they also sometimes have physical...
A: Revulsion to physicality.
Q: (T) Revulsion to physicality? They don't like physicality? But they're here! (J) Just because they're here, they don't have to like it! (L) OK, is that always a clue?
A: Yes.
To give those not familiar with the Ra material an idea of the concept of Wanderers in the language of Ra, there is this excerpt from page 127 in the first book of the Law of One awailable from http://www.llresearch.org

QUESTIONER: You spoke of Wanderers. Who are Wanderers? Where do they come from?
RA: I am Ra. Imagine, if you will, the sands of your shores. As countless as the grains of sand are the sources of intelligent infinity. When a social memory complex has achieved its complete understanding of its desire, it may conclude that its desire is service to others with the distortion towards reaching their hand, figuratively, to any entities who call for aid. These entities whom you may call the Brothers and Sisters of Sorrow move toward this calling of sorrow. These entities are from all reaches of the infinite creation and are bound together by the desire to serve in this distortion.
3rd density natives and Wanderers
960811 said:
Q: (L) And this is something that I was reading in this book the other day, that he talks about, the body is animal, and the soul is spirit. He says that animal people just seek animal experiences, and they glorify them, and they stimulate their physical emotions.
A: 3rd density natives tend to concentrate and to an extent, revel, in the physical.
Q: (T) And boy, they're reveling right now! (L) Yes. (T) There's major reveling going on. And it's intensifying every day. (J) I think the point that I was trying to make was having to stay in 3rd density, would they miss the variability of physicality? (L) Well, Wanderers, remember, are 6th density beings.
A: The lack.
Q: (T) The lack of physicality?
A: Yes. Is missed.
Q: (L) They miss the lack of physicality. (J) Right. Exactly. (L) They miss the lack of physicality. (J) OK, that was what I was getting at. I just didn't say it right.
A: Not so much "miss," as much as difficulty of adjustment.
Another soul species occupying human bodies called Organic Portals
020731 said:
Q: Mouravieff says that the "pre-Adamic" humans do not have the higher centers, nor the possibility of developing them in this cycle - which we assume to be the Grand Cycle you have previously described, the length of which is around 300,000 years. Is this an accurate representation of "pre-Adamic" beings?
A: Yes, they are "organic" portals between levels of density.
Q: Based on what Mouravieff has said, it seems to be so that any efforts to try to raise the consciousness of such individuals is doomed to fail.
A: Pretty much. Most of them are very efficient machines. The ones that you have identified as psychopaths are "failures." The best ones cannot be discerned except by long and careful observation.
Q: (V) Have I, or anyone in this room, ever encountered any, and if so, can you give us an example for reference?
A: If you consider that the population is equally distributed, then you will understand that in an ordinary "souled" person's life, that person will encounter half as many organic portals as souled individuals. BUT, when someone is in the process of "growing" and strengthening the soul, the Control System will seek to insert even more "units" into that person's life. Now, think of all the people you have ever met and particularly those with whom you have been, or are, intimate. Which half of this number would YOU designate as being organic portals? Hard to tell, eh?
Q: (V) What is the "origin" of these organic portal human types? In the scheme of creation, where did they come from?
A: They were originally part of the bridge between 2nd density and 3rd density. Review transcripts on the subject of short wave cycles and long wave cycles.
Q: (L) I guess that means that the life force energy that is embodied in Organic Portals is something like the soul pool that is theorized to exist for flora and fauna. This would, of course, explain the striking and inexplicable similarity of psychopaths, that is so well defined that they only differ from one another in the way that different species of trees are different in the overall class of Tree-ness. So, if they don't have souls, where does the energy come from that recharges Organic Portals?
A: The pool you have described.
941022 said:
Human beings entrapped in physical matter by choice of group. Description of short wave ethereal/physical cycle
Q: (L) Are human beings entrapped in physical matter?
A: By choice.
Q: (L) Why did they make this choice?
A: To experience physical sensations. It was a group mind decision.
Q: (L) Who was in charge of the group?
A: The group.
Q: (L) Does the interaction between the spirit/soul and the body physical produce some by-product that is desirable to other beings?
A: Well, all things have desirable consequences as well as undesirable consequences, but it must also be mentioned here that everything that exists in all realms of the universe can experience existence in one of only two ways. That would be defined as a long wave cycle and a short wave cycle. Going back to your previous question about why humans are "entrapped" in physical existence, which, of course, is voluntary and chosen, this was due to the desire to change from the long wave cycle experience of completely what you would call ethereal or spiritual existence, to the short wave cycle of what you call physical existence. The difference is that a long wave cycle involves only very gradual change in evolution in a cyclical manner. Whereas a short wave cycle involves a duality. And this is the case with souls in physical bodies as is experienced on this earth plane because the soul experiences an ethereal state for half the cycle and a physical state for the other half of the cycle. While these halves are not measured in time the way you measure time, the totality of experience is equal in each half. The necessity to form the short wave cycle was brought about through nature through the natural bounds of the universe when the group mind of souls chose to experience physicality as opposed to a completely ethereal existence.
Q: (L) Does this interaction produce a by-product?
A: It produces equal by-products of a positive and negative nature.
Q: (L) And what are these by-products?
A: Which one first?
Q: (L) Positive.
A: Positive by-product is an increase in relative energy which speeds up the learning process of the soul and all of it's one dimensional and two dimensional interactive partners. In other words, flora and fauna, minerals, etc. All experience growth and movement towards reunion at a faster rate on the cycle through this short wave cycle physical/ethereal transfer. Of a negative nature, it also produces many negative experiences for these very same entities which otherwise would not exist because being of a first level and second level nature, flora and fauna would ordinarily experience a long term or long wave cycle on the physical plane as opposed to a short wave cycle physical and ethereal, as they do now because of their interaction with the human species in its short wave ethereal/physical cycle.
Section five:

In the 950924 transcript quoted further up it read that "Each time a new flock was "planted," it was engineered to be best suited to the environment where it was planted." There are other quotes about ancient people belonging to variations of the current human spicies. Below is 970511 which exlains more about the Celts and how they as Kantekkians could come to to this planet we call Terra and join the Terrestials. Notice how the Cassiopaeans gently reconnect the concept of the Celts to Kantek and reminds through the word "prototype" that they also were nothing more than an experimental creation.

970531 said:
Q: Let's back up here. You said that the Celts came from Kantek. They were transported by the Lizzies... brought here, correct?
A: Yes.
Q: When the Lizzies did this, how many Celts were physically brought here?
A: Hundreds of millions.
Q: How long, in our terms, did it take to bring these Celts to this planet? Or, is this ongoing?
A: Well, in the sense that you measure it, let us say about a week.
Q: Did they transport them in ships -- that is some sort of structure. That is, did they load them up, move them into 4th density, and reemerge here in 3rd density or something like that?
A: Close.
Q: And they unloaded them in the area of the Caucasus, is that correct?
A: And regions surrounding.
Q: And, that was what, 79 to 80 thousand years ago?
A: Over 80,000.
Q: As I understand it, Atlantis was already quite a developed civilization at that time, is that correct?
A: Yes, but regions change with waves of immigration, or conquest... witness your own lands.
Q: You also said once that there was a nuclear war in India and that this was what was being discussed in the Vedas when it talks about the 'blue-skinned' people who weren't really blue because they were Celts, and they were flying in aircraft, and they were engaged in this war, etc. Who were the Celts at war with?
A: The Paranthas.
Q: Now, wait a minute! Who are the Paranthas?! Do we have a new player here?
A: Not new.
Q: Do we know them by another name?
A: Choose.
Q: The Atlanteans? Were the Celts of India at war with the Atlanteans in the Atlantic?
A: Atlantis was merely a home base of an advanced civilization of 3 races of humans occupying different sections of a huge Island empire, which, in itself, underwent 3 incarnations over a 100,000 year period as you would measure it.
Q: The 3 races were the Celts... and who were the second and third?
A: Or Kantekkians.
Q: Are the Kantekkians different from the Celts?
A: Only in the sense of long term racial and genetic blending.
Q: So, Atlantis had the Kantekkians and who else?
A: Race you would call "Native Americans," and a third, no longer existing race, somewhat resembling Australian or Guinean aborigines, only lighter in complexion.
Q: Was this third group destroyed by the other two?
A: One of the 3 cataclysms.
Q: Paranthas. Who were the Paranthas?
A: Nation of race mentioned above.
Q: So, the Paranthas were the antecedents of the Abos of Australia?
A: Yes, and compare to now existing peoples of India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Australia, and New Guinea for similarities, bearing in mind genetic mixing and dilution.
Q: Were the Vedas written by the Paranthas or written by the Celts?
A: Descendants of Parantha, as per "Divine guidance."
Q: That explains a LOT. I was just thinking about it the other day. If these people in India are related to the Celts, as philologists would have us believe due to language roots, there is no way I can understand this because they are simply NOTHING like them in any way. Come on! We are talking about a race that is subservient and sly and obsequious - just NOTHING like the Celts. So bizarrely different! Okay, I think that you said that this nuclear war happened something like 50,000 years ago. We have taken care of a couple of points; we have 3 races on Atlantis, Celts all over the place... did the Celts conquer the Atlanteans?
A: No.
Q: Did they just move in and hang out?
A: They took over the Northern section.
Q: At the same time, there were Celts in the Caucasus, along the Baltic, in Ireland, England and Europe...
A: Ireland, England, etc. was later.
Q: But there were in the Norse lands, as Sweden, Norway and Denmark, they were along the Baltic, and they were in the Caucasus?
A: Some above mentioned areas were ice covered.
Q: When the philologists track the language roots, they arrive at the Kurgan region, north and west of the Caucasus. Is that where the Celts went when Atlantis was destroyed?
A: Close.
Q: Were the Celts the tall blonds known as the 'Sons of Anak,' who ruled over the Sumerians as described by Sitchen?
A: "Celts" are what remains of the original prototype.
Q: Okay. Kantekkians. When did...
A: Gravity differences account for the height difference
Q: When did the Kantekkians, or Celts or whatever arrive on the Canary Islands?
A: 12,000 years ago.
Q: Did they arrive there from Atlantis directly?
A: Close.
What happened to some of the Celts after having come to Caucasus?
010823 said:
Q: (L) Well, we should have figured that. There's hardly been anybody else running things for the last 300 thousand years or so. Okay, going in another direction: what other names were the Danaans known by?
A: Scythians.
Q: (L) How did the Scythians get to Egypt?
A: VIA Akkad.
Q: (L) Was Sargon a Scythian?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Were the Hittites a genetically altered group of Scythians?
A: Close.
Q: (L) Where do the Scythians come from?
A: China.
Q: (L) How did they get to China?
A: From the Caucasus.
Q: (L) So, they started off from the Caucasus, went to China, and were later driven back West by the Chinese? Is that it?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Northern China or Southern China?
A: North.
For more on the Scythians there are some remarks in
The Thirteenth Tribe and The Scythians - A curious and 'busy' conquering history... by Ruth

Notes to "The Mystic vs Hitler" and
The History of Black Peoples have more on the history of China.

In 960224 above it was said that the Nephilims are to be expected with the "wave". What happens before the wave is described in the following and these descriptions at the same time give an insight into what differences there are between 3rd and 4th density and what could happen at the arrival.

951104 said:
A: Alien "bases."
Q: (T) OK, now, why did you put the word bases in quotes?
A: Assume, and you make an ass out of u and me!
Q: (T) Why did they say that? Because I asked why they put the word bases in quotes? (L) Because we're assuming that the aliens have bases? I think that's what they mean... (T) Well, we may or may not be assuming that the aliens have bases. Why did you say assuming makes an ass out of u and me?
A: Because you have never adequately discussed the question of the bases with us.
Q: (T) OK, now you're making a statement that we have not adequately discussed the bases with you, and I will agree, we have not discussed the bases with you, but you are saying that we are making an assumption that the bases exist. Only, the last time we met, you made the statement that JR and I had been taken to a base. Are you changing what you said?
A: Assumption is not that bases exist, but rather, all other angles to the story.
Next some description of what some bases are in terms of densities.
951104 said:
A: Transdensity.
Q: (L) OK, transdensity points...
A: No. Bases are.
Q: (L) Bases are transdensity. (T) So the bases are transdensity, in other words they exist throughout the densities in the same location. No, no, that won't be right... (L) they exist in a trans-density state. (T) So they exist in third...
A: Yes.
Q: (T) They exist in third, fourth, whatever...all at the same time. (L) Maybe they could come in to our density when necessary and then go out of our density when necessary.
A: No.
Q: (L) They are in another density.
A: No.
Q: (L) They are in another dimension. (T) They are in all densities...
A: Trans.
Q: (L) They transit at all densities?
A: Start at three.
Q: (L) They start at three... (T) They go through four, five is not the density they can go into, so they go through six...
A: Assume.
Q: (L) Assume; you're assuming... (T) No, I'm asking, they start at three, you say; where do they go from there?
A: To five.
Q: (L) Three to five. (T) They cover three, four and five?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) Why do they cover five? You've said that five is the level of contemplation... (L) Why not? That makes sense, to have one there, too.
A: Yes
Complex, much more complex
951104 said:
Q: (T) OK, so the bases in third density here, are bases for whomever is working with the fourth density beings, that they can exist in it over long periods of time. The fourth density beings can come through to this density, by use of the base.. . [Dogs start howling in the back yard, distracting the session.] ... Now, I've lost my train of thought. OK, we've got a base, bases that exist... (L) Who... (T) Third, fourth and fifth, and they can transit between third, fourth and fifth... The bases are STS bases, let's establish that. (L) That's an assumption...let's ask. (T) Are the bases STS bases?
A: Mostly.
Q: (T) So there may be STO bases, as well?
A: This is complex.
Q: (T) Because the STO beings interact with the STS beings because of the balance and the fact that STO beings serve themselves by serving others, and therefore they will serve STS beings as well as STO beings, because they're serving... (L) All right... (T) Because they've been asked, because they're doing it to serve others. So there are STO beings operating bases also. (L) Is that correct? (T) Or close?
A: Much more complex.
Q: (T) I assume it's much more complex, but that's the general idea...
A: No.
Q: (L) OK, try this: Are there separate bases operated or built or constructed or somehow occupied or utilized or whatever by STO beings alone?
A: OK, time for us to teach patience. We are going to illuminate you! Why do you suppose there are roads around Dulce NM where people have become confused when traveling on them? Because the 4th density vibrational frequency emanating from the nearby base more and more frequently resonates on surface.
Q: (L) OK, continue.
A: Then going to 4th density: road seems straight as seen in 4th density, when curved in 3rd.
Q: (J) It seems straight when seen in 4th, but it's actually curved in 3rd? (SV) In other words, accidents! (J) It changes configuration from 3rd to 4th! (T) When people drive those roads out there, as the fourth density seeps out through, and is seeping out farther and farther, they become confused because they're moving between 3rd and 4th. As the road curves in 3rd, and the car, which is in 3rd, should be curving with the road, the driver sees the road as straight, and drives off the road, because he's confused by what he sees.
A: Exactly.
Q: (J) It's all about perception! (T) Now, we're back to perception of reality!
A: In 4th, you see full circle from any vantage point.
Q: (L) We talked about that before. (T) So the road looks straight, because you're seeing it from all angles, therefore, instead of it being curved on one, you're seeing it every way, so the road is now straight. But, it's not really straight in 3rd, and you drive off the road. (L) OK, continue on with what you were saying...
A: The entire New Mexico region is on verge of moving to 4th density permanently!
Q: (L) OK...
A: Because of the bases.
Q: (L) So, in other words, the rumors of the bases being moved, being filtered down from other densities, through some of the distorted channels, is in essence, somewhat correct... (J) Because they need to have the base in third density! (LAURA ) Only, they're not moving them to Paris, Washington or Buenos Aires, they're moving to 4th density.
A: Close but the bases are already there, pity the host regions. Why do you think there is so much activity seen there!
Tremendous reality shock
951104 said:
Q: (T) Now, this opens up some questions. First question. You made the statement "But the bases are in 4th density." What happens when the 3rd density base, which is vibrating itself into 4th density, runs into the 4th density base that's already there?
A: Merge.
Q: (T) They become one base?
A: They already are.
Q: (T) What do you mean by "They will merge?"
A: To same density.
Q: (J) I've got a question... (T) OK, now, is this moving of the third density location a side effect of the bases? Harmonic resonance, and all that, as in the beginning of the Matrix? Are we talking about the fact that it's been there so long, that that section of third density is now resonating itself to the fourth density frequencies, and that this is not exactly what they wanted it to do, but it's a side-effect of the fact that they're there?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) Did they know that it was going to happen?
A: The 4th density STS did, but not 3rd.
Q: (T) One of the little surprises they weren't told about before the deal was cut? (J) If I may ask my question now: You've got these third density bases that are going to move to fourth density. Are they going to need to re- establish another third density base to continue their work? To replace the one that's gone?
A: Why? The whole "territory" will be in 4th then. Tremendous reality shock will occur when it crosses the border.
Q: (L) How will we in third perceive it? (J) We won't! (L) Now, wait, don't make assumptions here! How will we in third perceive it? Let's play make-believe here. What are they going to say?
A: Tremendous reality shock when cross border.
Q: (L) Are you saying that this whole region will go into fourth density when the Realm Border crossing occurs, or is it going to happen shortly?
A: Before!
4 the density locally and globally.
951104 said:
Q: (T) As these bases experience these effects, in different places on the geographical surface of the planet, do the effects become cumulative? (L) They said only the SW United States... (T) I know, I'm approaching this from another direction here. As this happens, will this ultimately take in the whole planet?
A: No. Wave.
And "Tremendous realtity shock" gives an extra angle to:
970809 said:
Q: Speaking of time - any further comments?
A: Just pay attention to the signs, please! It is not helpful to place yourself in a vacuum of awareness.
So much for the significance of Signs of the Times.

Continuing with what happens when an area goes into 4th density:
951104 said:
Q: (L) So, if the region disappears... (T) It's not disappearing. It's just shifting... (L) So if the region goes into fourth density, will the people living there also be in fourth density?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) Will they notice that anything is different? Will they, not us, they? Those who are within it?
A: Are you kidding?
Q: (L) I guess they will. (T) Well, I don't know, that's why I'm asking. (J) Their perception is going to change! (T) But, how can their perception change if they're not going into fourth density? (L) No, they said they are going in to fourth density! But they're not "going" anywhere (J) There will be no traveling involved. (T) We're not "going" anywhere, we're shifting our frequencies up to the next density, not moving from where we are.
A: Picture driving down a highway, suddenly you notice auras surrounding everything.... Being able to see around corners, going inside little cottages which become mansions, when viewed from inside... Going inside a building in Albuquerque and going out the back door into Las Vegas, going to sleep as a female, and waking upmale... Flying in a plane for half an hour and landing at the same place 5 weeks later...
951104 said:
Q: (T) It's an "E" ticket ride! When the word gets out that people can go to that area of New Mexico and experience true strangeness, it's going to draw a lot of people.
A: Not that simple... Picture driving to reach New Mexico by car and "skipping" over and arriving in San Diego instead, or... driving to the grocery store in Santa Fe, and winding up in Moscow, instead.
The mentioning of Auras made me think that those who expect a "new age" will get their hopes fulfilled. Although the description is a bit different than the ones usually advertised!

The explanation of the changes in perception when approaching 4th density can seem scary but one will probably get used to it just like:
950531 said:
Q: (SV) It is what you are! (L) Our ability to see or perceive, blue, according to some researchers, is very recent. Natives who live on the Blue Nile describe it as brown, Homer described the Mediterranean as the "Wine dark sea," and Aristotle said there were only three colors in the rainbow: red, yellow and green. Is this true, that the human race, in general, has only recently become able to see blue?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Is this a reflection of the spirituality of the color blue?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Obviously there are colors beyond blue, and as we attain greater spirituality, we will be able to see them as well, is this true?
A: Yes.
Transition in density as those discussed above is elaborated in the next excerpts and there is reference to an old movie called The Wizard of Oz. It is from just before WW2 but in colour, at least parts of it. If you have never seen it, try to get hold of it, or hope as happened to me for the classical movie channels satellite to bring it to you. There are some great ideas there, like in an allegory or parable.

950311 said:
Q: (J) Go back to what they said before: "Free will could not be abridged if you had not obliged." (T) We, as the human race, used our free will to switch from STO to STS. (L) So, at some level we have chosen the mess we are in and that is the Super Ancient Legend of the Fallen Angel, Lucifer. That is us. We fell by falling into that door, so to speak, going after the pot of gold, and when we fell through the door, the serpent bit us!
A: But this is a repeating syndrome.
Q: (L) Is it a repeating syndrome just for the human race or is it a repeating syndrome throughout all of creation?
A: It is the latter.
Q: (L) Is this a repeating syndrome throughout all of creation simply because it is the cyclic nature of things? Or is it as the Indians call it, Maya?
A: Either or.
Q: (T) You have good filmmakers up there in 6th density. (S) What other movies did they inspire? (T) Before we go off on a sidetrack like that, I'm still trying to grasp something here... okay, you keep referring to the movie, and that we have an ability within us that is something like the Ruby slippers that can take us back to STO any time we wish.
A: Yes.
Q: (T) So, all this stuff we have been talking about, the realm border, the wave, raising the frequencies...
A: Realm wave is the "tornado."
Q: (T) That is the rough wave moving.
A: Subjective.
Q: (L) In the analogy of Dorothy and the whole thing, the place where she started out was Kansas, i.e. STO? (J) It was in black and white...
A: Not really.
Q: (L) Was going to the land of Oz the STO state?
Q: (L) So Oz was STS. And Kansas, not necessarily the physical surroundings, but the state of mind of Dorothy prior to the Oz experience, was the STO state.
A: Yes.
Q: (L) So, we don't need necessarily to look at Kansas or the fact that it was filmed in black and white, it is just the state of mind. The going to Oz...
A: And Elvira Gulch.
Q: (J) The lady that turned into the witch.
A: The witch is the Lizards.
Q: (T) Yeah, okay. Tornado. Dorothy fell from the STO to the STS state through the tornado. Is this true?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) The realm wave you equated to the tornado... (L) Did a realm wave interact with...
A: Analyze more carefully, suggest break to do so. BREAK [...]

(T) Are we getting anywhere? We got the idea that when we fell from STO to STS we gave the Lizzies the right to do what they are doing. So, when they make the statement that we said they could, we did.
A: Okay.
Q: (L) We are having a bit of a puzzlement here because we are wondering if the tornado which represents the realm wave is something that moves one from an STO state to an STS state while still remaining in 3rd density?
A: Okay, that is one way. Okay...
Q: (T) The realm border is not only a way of transferring from one density to another, but it is also a way of transiting from STS and STO and back?
A: Can be.
Q: (T) So, those who transit on this pass may transit from 3rd to 4th density and come out as an STO being?
A: In some of the passages.
Q: (L) Okay, so people can either go from STO to STS in 3rd or 4th density... any of these choices are open at this passing of the realm wave?
A: Any of the above according to the orientation of the wave.
Q: (L) And what is the orientation of the wave that is coming? Is it strictly to move us from 3rd density to 4th density? Is this a function of this wave?
A: We have told you this.
The next excerpt picks up about where it stopped in the presentation of Lemuria further up.
941102 said:
Q: (L) How many Nephilim does each vehicle hold?
A: About 12 million
Q: (L) Are they coming to help us?
A: No. Wave comet cluster all using same energy.
Q: (L) Using same energy to what?
A: Pass through space-time.
Q: (L) Does this mean that without this comet cluster they cannot pass through space/time?
A: No. Slower. message follows here. Quiet for one moment please: From now on when word to follow is in quotes we will designate as follows: mark then word then mark. Now, "slower." [We installed quote marks on the board after this. From this point on, when words in the Cassiopaean responses are in quotes, it is because they have so designated.]
Q: (L) So, it is slower for them to come here without this wave. Where is the wave coming from?
A: Follows cluster.
Q: (L) It follows the cluster. What does this wave consist of?
A: Realm border.
Q: (L) Does the realm border wave follow the comet cluster in a permanent way?
A: No.
Q: (L) Is the realm border loosely associated with the comet cluster each time it comes?
A: No. Realm border follows all encompassing energy reality change; realm border will follow this cluster passage and has others but not most.
Q: (L) Is this realm border a dimensional boundary?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Okay, this realm border, do dimensions...
A: Pulsating realms. Fluctuating realms.
Q: (L) Is our realm fluctuating or pulsating?
A: No.
Q: (L) But this other realm does?
A: No.
Q: (L) What fluctuates?
A: Residence.
Q: (L) Whatever is in that realm fluctuates?
A: No. Your planet fluctuates between realms.
Q: (L) How often does this fluctuation occur?
A: About every 309,000 years.
Q: (L) In other words we can expect to be in 4th density for about 300,000 years?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Does this mean that the Edenic state existed for about 300.000 years before the "Fall?"
A: Yes.
In the above there was mention of a comet cluster and to place that within the limits of probability there is the following.
981010 said:
Q: [...] (A) [...] So, first question: Sometime ago we were asking about the comet cluster, when it will come, and you answered '0 to 14 years' from now.
A: Yes.
Q: (A) I would like to know first, when you say 0 to 14, is it absolutely sure that it will be 0 to 14 and not 0 to 15, and you can assign some very small probability that it will be MORE than 14 years? Is it really certain?
A: Nothing is certain. The course of the lessons is dictated by the progress of the studies.
Q: (A) Nothing is certain, but is the concept of probabilities, as it is used in the Seth material, legitimate? Can we speak about probabilities?
A: Yes.
Q: (A) Can you assign a probability to this period 0 to 14 years? How big is the probability?
A: Big.
Q: (A) How big? How close to 1?
A: 82 per cent.
The very interesting concept of probabilities is mentioned in the book "Seth Speaks" and from what I gather some of the other Seth Books which you find on http://www.sethcenter.com/pages/bookstore.htm

941107 said:
Q: (L) Who was Seth, channeled by Jane Roberts?
A: Higher plane earth spirit.
Q: (L) Were the teachings in the Seth material accurate and was that a good source?
A: Yes but rapidly becoming obsolete as you move toward new reality.
Coming back to the 941102 content, in an excerpt one day later, the realm wave is equated with a "Hyperkinetic sensate".
941103 said:
Q: (L) When was the last time a realm border crossed as far as the earth is concerned?
A: As you measure, on Earth, 309,000 years ago.
Q: (L) What does this wave consist of in terms of energy?
A: Feeling.
Q: (L) This wave is feeling? It is a wave of emotion?
A: Hyperkinetic sensate.
Q: (L) What does that mean?
A: All.
Q: (L) We don't understand
A: Too complex for this medium.
Q: (L) Okay. How many times has the wave come and involved the earth as we know it?
A: Infinite number.
Section six:

More on the Wizard of Oz and the Nephilims.
941102 said:
Q: (L) If the Nephilim are coming 36 million strong as enforcers for the Lizzies, does the Confederation have a like amount for defense?
A: We don't operate that way.
Q: (L) Are we just going to have to fight them off ourselves?
A: Think of The Wizard of Oz. It was inspired by us.
Q: (L) Does the witch represent the Lizzies?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) So, is there something we have or can do...
A: Glenda like us.
Q: (L) And who is the Wizard? Is that the Beast or the U.S. Govt.?
A: Close. Illuminati.
Q: (L) Are the monkeys the Nephilim.
A: Close enough.
Q: (L) If water destroyed the witch, and the witch represents the Lizzies, can we destroy the Lizzies?
A: Knowledge.
Q: (L) But there are only a few on the planet who have the knowledge, am I correct?
A: What do you mean? Against all when all when time comes.
Q: (L) So the 36 million will be against all on the planet when the time comes?
A: Of course.
Q: (L) And those who have the knowledge and can dispense it to others ...
A: Yes.
941102 said:
A: Knowledge protects.
Q: (L) Well, if a 15 foot tall guy comes at me and wants to knock me around, what is knowledge going to do to protect me?
A: You will be in 4th density.
Q: (L) So, before they get here we will be 4 d?
A: Crossing.
Q: (L) All three of us?
A: Yes, and many others.
Q: (L) So, we are not going to have to deal with the Nephilim?
A: Not correct.
Q: (L) Does this mean that there will be 3 and 4 d beings on the planet at the same time and that some will have to deal with these guys and some won't?
A: But you will have to too.
Q: (L) I don't understand. Are these Nephilim coming here to transition to 4 d also?
A: They already live there as 3 density beings. Demonstration: When you are abducted you are 3rd density but you are taken into 4th density.
The last remark from the Cassiopaeans gives one an idea that the Nephilim also may have been abducted for this special mission as soldiers of the Lizard beings, because if the Lizzies are planning to take over not the Nephilim, then Nephilims can not be in charge ultimately.
940930 said:
Q: (L) And who were the genetic engineers of this slavehood?
A: Lizard beings.
Q: (L) Where do they come from: earth or another planet?
A: Other.
Q: (L) What planet from?
A: Qaddeera.
Q: (L) What star system is that in?
A: Zeta Reticuli.
Q: (L) Are the little gray beings from Zeta Reticuli also?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Are the little gray beings...
A: Cybergenetic.
Q: (L) Are they created by the lizards?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Do they have souls?
A: They are Decoys.
Q: (L) Are the Lizzies currently with us?
A: Near.
Q: (L) Are the Lizzies planning to take over our planet?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Are they planning on landing and doing this openly?
A: Close.
Q: (L) Do they utilize such things as possession by dark energy forms to effect their control?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) What other groups are they in cahoots with?
A: Orions.
Q: (L) How many members are there in the Orion/Lizzie group?
A: 16.
Q: (L) Who are the good guys? You say the Cassiopaeans are the good guys. Who else?
A: Pleiadeans and many others.
Q: (L) How many?
A: 16.
Q: (L) Are the sides equally balanced?
A: Yes.
Again below it is the Grays the cybergenetic probes of the lizzies, that are mentioned not the Nephilim:
940730 said:
Q: (L) Is there any way we can prevent Orion abductions?
A: No.
Q: (L) Why?
A: It would interfere with universal law of free will and service to self.
Q: (L) But we don't want to be abducted. Can't we stop it?
A: Not likely. They have more power than you.
Q: (L) Well then, why can't you help us?
A: Would interfere in natural progression of your race and theirs. The Jews called upon us to save them and we could not. And, natives of your land called upon us and we could not save them from your race; we could not stop that either. It is natural progression, see?
Q: (L) Are we going to be wiped out by aliens as part of this natural progression?
A: Maybe. What makes you think you are special?
Q: (L) Jesus told us God loves us. Is this true?
A: But it is the soul that matters, not the body. The body dies not the soul.
Q: (L) Well, this whole thing just gives us the creeps.
A: You are energy. There is an energy that comes from the soul and body connection; later the body is used for parts.
Q: (L) What are they using our energy and bodies for?
A: To create a new race. Theirs is fading out.
Q: (L) Well, do they just take people and kill them and do what with them?
A: They slice them up.
Q: (L) Do they die?
A: Maximum matter and energy transfer occurs during this type of transition.
Q: (L) In other words, you are saying that a slow painful death gives them the most of what they want? This is totally sick.
A: You asked for truth. You say it is sick but it is merely the ultimate form of service to self. (At this point A*** described reading a passage in a book which stated that Native Americans believed a slow torturous death of an enemy gave them more power.)
A: What about your lab animals? Is that not service to self as well? What about unwanted insects et cetera?
Q: (L) We were here first!
A: So were the insects. Grays now want your planet.
Q: (L) That is sick.
A: Is natural progression sick?
Q: (L) Is what is happening something like what Jesus described in the parable of the wheat where the workers come in to take out the weeds first?
A: Close.
Q: (L) What kind of people is this being done to?
A: Low level humans.
Q: (L) What happens to the high level humans?
A: Some will survive.
Q: (L) Will Jesus be reincarnated into a body?
A: No.
Q: (L) Is Jesus an alien?
A: He is one of us.
Q: (L) Will there be atomic war?
A: No.
Q: (L) Will there be a war in the sky with the aliens?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Will it be between Orions and the Federation?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Will it be visible on earth?
A: Oh, yes.
Q: (L) When will this be?
A: It has already started. Will intensify steadily.
Q: (L) Why are we not aware that it has already started?
A: It is disguised at this point as weather. It is still in other dimensions. Will go to this one within 18 years. Anytime within this period. The absolute time is not determinable as to exactly when. It could be tomorrow or 18 years from now.
Q: (L) 18 years from now is 2012. Is there some special significance to that time?
A: Yes.
In 941102 above there was the phrase "Knowledge protects". Regarding the what of "knowledge protects", there is this from 980725.
980725 said:
Q: (A) You say knowledge protects. It protects against WHAT?
A: Many things. One example: post transformational trauma and confusion.
Q: (L) So, knowledge is going to protect us against post transformational trauma and confusion. You are saying that this transition to 4th density is going to be traumatic and confusing. Do you mean transformation from 3rd to 4th density, or 3rd to 5th density, i.e. death?
A: Both.
Q: (L) So, if one does not have the shock and trauma and the confusion and so forth, one is then able to function better?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Well, if a person transitions directly from 3rd to 4th density without cycling through 5th density via dying, that implies that persons can transition directly from 3rd to 4th density without dying. Is that correct?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) How does that feel? How is that experience...
A: Alice through the looking glass.
Q: (A) Okay, they say that knowledge is supposed to protect from trauma and confusion. On the other hand, all is lessons, so trauma is a lesson. Why are we supposed to work to avoid a lesson?
A: You are correct, it is a lesson, but if you have foreknowledge, you are learning that lesson early, and in a different way.
Q: (L) So, if you learn the lesson in a different way, does that mitigate the need or the way or the process of the way of learning at the time of transition?
A: Yes. Smoother.
Q: (L) I do have to say that thinking about it all, not being able to do anything about it, not being able to talk to people about it because they don't believe, is certainly more painful than being hit by the shock of it...
A: No.
Q: (L) Well, you are suggesting that I CAN tell others such things?
A: You can convey, but suggest it be done in a subtle fashion.
More on knowledge:
981003 said:
Q: (L) I think that the issue is, what these two guys are trying to get to is that they want to transition to 4th density, they don't want to be hanging out on a post- cataclysmic world where everything is all messed up, they don't want to go back to square one and do third density all over again and suffer, and they want to know how or why or what to do to ensure that they make this transition?
A: You cannot honestly entertain such nonsense, can you?
Q: (L) Well, I have tried to explain to them that it doesn't matter where you are or any preparations that you have made along this line, but it is important as to WHO you are and what you SEE. And, seeing is based on awareness, and awareness is based on knowledge. Therefore, it seems to me that the only thing one should be occupying oneself doing is gathering and gaining knowledge.
A: Closer.
Q: (L) Can we get closer than that?
A: No

"The lesson, the lessons, that is all there is."
980725 said:
A: You seem to be under the impression that only "good experiences are acceptable.
Q: (L) No, I am not under the impression that only good experiences are acceptable, but I AM in a little bit of a quandary here because, here we are talking to you guys who are supposed to be 'us' in the future. Here we are in this period of time on this planet, where things are in a very strange state. There is some kind of huge transition going on, and I am just wondering what is the whole point. Why are we talking to you? What's the point?
A: It is the lesson. Do you not understand still? The lesson, the lessons, that is all there is. They are all immeasurably valuable.
A: All there is is lessons!!
Q: (L) Is the lesson to learn how to give up the ghost with panache? What's the point?
A: Your experiences never end, only transform. No bodycentrics need apply.
Q: (L) Well, you once said something about the transition to 4th density creating a 'level playing field.' Then, the people will wake up and there will be a battle between the humans and aliens...
A: Yes.
Q: (L) And if it is a more level playing field, then the situation would not quite be the same as the Conquistadores against the Aztecs and the Native Americans against the Europeans and...
A: Wrong, all in that drama were at 3rd density. The rabbits, rats, dogs, etc. are not on a level playing field with you!
Q: (L) Do the aliens know about the upcoming comets and all that sort of thing?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) And they have the idea that what they are doing, this race they are creating, is going to survive this cataclysmic activity?
A: Of course.
Q: (L) Is that 'of course' as in they ARE going to survive, or that they BELIEVE they are going to survive?
A: Both.
Q: (L) Okay, you once told us that this was like a 'cosmic battle.' That the cycle was going to create balance and so on. I am trying to understand this. If that is the case, it seems that there is more to it than the Conquistadores against the Aztecs and the Europeans against the Native Americans; that at some point the story changes - the oppressed fight back - I am trying to get the allegory into a more understandable framework. Do you see what I mean?
A: No.
Q: (L) Well, that is because I am confused. What I am trying to ask without asking it directly is: what chance do we have of doing anything?
A: You are still not seeing the "bigger picture."
Q: (L) What is the bigger picture?
A: Your souls, your consciousness.
The following excerpts introduce the idea of the "master race". It began in the very first session:

940716 said:
A: New race. Important. 13 years approximately when project will be finished.
13 years to 1994 gives "pretty soon". But in 960831 below they say about the timeframe "Never mind".

951007 said:
Q: (L) I have thought about my question from the last session and I want to ask it this way: You have said that Hitler received instructions from higher density beings about creating a 'Master Race.' Why were the Aryan genetic types seen to be more desirable for creation of this Germanic 'master race?'
A: Both, similarity and ancestral link most unblemished from Orion 3rd and 4th density stock.
Q: (L) So they were essentially trying to breed a group of people like themselves?
A: Yes.
000722 said:
A: We wish to review some things first. The concept of a "master race" put forward by the Nazis was merely a 4th density STS effort to create a physical vehicle with the correct frequency resonance vibration for 4th density STS souls to occupy in 3rd density. It was also a "trial run" for planned events in what you perceive to be your future.
Q: (L) You mean with a strong STS frequency so they can have a "vehicle" in 3rd density, so to speak?
A: Correct. Frequency resonance vibration! Very important.
Q: (L) So, that is why they are programming and experimenting? And all these folks running around who some think are "programmed," could be individuals who are raising their nastiness levels high enough to accommodate the truly negative STS 4th density - sort of like walk-ins or something, only not nice ones?
A: You do not have very many of those present yet, but that was, and still is, the plan of some of the 4th density STS types.
950924 said:
Q: (L) Why was Hitler so determined, beyond all reason, even to his own self-destruction, to annihilate the Jews?
A: Many reasons and very complex. But, remember, while still a child, Hitler made a conscious choice to align himself with the "forces of darkness," in order to fulfill his desires for conquest and to unite the Germanic peoples. Henceforth, he was totally controlled, mind, body, and soul, by STS forces.
Q: (L) So, what were the purposes of the STS forces that were controlling Hitler causing him to desire to annihilate an entire group of people?
A: To create an adequate "breeding ground" for the reintroduction of the Nephalim, for the purpose of total control of the 3rd density earth prior to elevation to 4th density, where such conquest is more difficult and less certain!
Q: (L) Do you mean "breeding ground" in the sense of genetic breeding?
A: Yes. Third density.
Q: (L) Did they accomplish this goal?
A: No.
Q: (L) So, the creation of the Germanic "Master Race" was what they were going after, to create this "breeding ground?"
A: Yes.
Q: (L) And, getting rid of the Jews was significant? Couldn't a Germanic master race be created without destroying another group?
A: No.
Q: Why?
A: Because of 4th density prior encoding mission destiny profile.
Q: (L) What does that mean?
A: This means encoding to activate after elevation to 4th density, thus if not eliminated, negates Nephalim domination and absorption. Jews were prior encoded to carry out mission after conversion, though on individual basis. The Nazis did not exactly know why they were being driven to destroy them, because they were being controlled from 4th density STS. But, Hitler communicated directly with Lizards, and Orion STS, and was instructed on how to create the "master race."
Q: (L) And they were going to use this as their basis to introduce a new blend of the Nephilim... (RC) And the New World Order... their version of it. (L) Well, what is the plan now?
941009 said:
Q: (L) What influence was Adolf Hitler under when he undertook to do the things he did. Who was guiding him?
A: Lizards. Indirectly.
Q: (L) What connection did they use to influence him?
A: Projected beings of human type, inspired forms of great Aryan spirits.
The above gives a clue as to how sometimes it may have happened that a saint or seeker could also be duped by seeing his god or master.

As for the following I had a friend who invested some 500 $ into the enterprise, but he felt very strange afterwards. Here is the why:
950912 said:
Q: (L) OK, my feeling is that there is some negative energy behind that, even though he is trying to be a positive person and do positive things, and that...
A: This is often true!
Q: (L) I think that taking something like that to transform your consciousness without doing the work or having it occur naturally is black magic. That's what I think. (F) It's too easy... (L) I think trying to initiate yourself ... (F) I read over the years bits and pieces from various different sources that all the things he described in there are possible for those who are willing to sacrifice, to us would appear to be an extreme extent ethereal and spiritual level, such as some of those in India, and all that... (L) I don't think you even have to sacrifice so much as have the desire and the natural destiny and ..... (F) Well, did Jesus take this gold powder? (L) Did Jesus take this powder?
A: No.
Q: (L) Did Adolph Hitler take this kind of powder, or something similar?
A: Yes.
Q: (F): That paints a rather bleak picture, doesn't it? (L) Could this powder be utilized to transform a person to a very positive entity doing great good? I just don't think it's right.
A: Or could it be utilized to transform an entire race of beings into hypnotic submission !!!!!!!!!!!
000318 said:
Q: Whitley Strieber and Art Bell have published a book about a "global superstorm." Is any of the information they have given in this book fairly accurate?
A: Derived from non-human sources known for stark accuracy, when convenient.
Q: What makes it convenient at the present time for them to be "starkly accurate?"
A: Fits into plans.
Q: Plans for what?
A: Do we not know already?
Q: In other words: world conquest and the takeover of humanity?
A: Not as simple.
Q: What would make my statement more accurate?
A: Call it amalgamation.
Is it possible that comets impacting Earth would upset the climate so that a global superstorm would follow?

Underground civilizations
960831 said:
Q: (L) Well, I know it's vague... (T) Are the Celts part of these underground civilizations?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) And they came to the surface some time ago...
A: No.
Q: (L) No, they came here, and they were taken underground...
A: No.
Q: (L) No, well, what's the story?
A: Went.
Q: (L) They went underground? Is that it? (T) When did they go underground?
A: Several occasions, the most recent being, on your calendar: 1941 through 1945.
Q: (L) That's when they went underground? 1941 through 1945?
A: Last episode of mass migration, mostly Deutschlanders.
Q: (T) Underground. We're talking underground, as in under the surface of the earth. Is this what we're talking?
A: Antarctica. Under there.
Q: (T) Under Antarctica, under... Oh, in one of the big... OOOhhh!
A: Entry port.
Q: (T) They went underground in Antarctica, they built a large underground base there, this is where the Germans, as in the Nazi Germans, claimed as Vineland, I think it is, where the older maps that show Antarctica, where the German territory was claimed, it's in that section that's south of...
A: Yes, but they entered through their constructed base, as instructed, then were assimilated.
Q: (L) They were assimilated into the population already existent? Underground cities, underground bases?
A: Yes.
Q: Laura) So, they didn't build them, they entered into them as instructed, and were assimilated into the population?
A: They did build a base.
Q: (T) Well, they'd have to keep expanding! Now, you said instructed... (L) Instructed by whom? (T) They were instructed to go there?
A: Those identifying themselves as "Antareans."
Q: (L) And who are the Antareans?
A: STS Humanoid Orion linkage.
Q: (L) What is an STS Orion Linkage? (T) That's the... (L) We have a new concept here. (T) They would be... the... the...the... (V) Mutant Race! (T) Yes! Those that were part of the creation...
A: No.
Q: (L) What is an STS Humanoid Orion linkage? [Part of tape seems to be missing here, questions in [ ] are reconstruction]
A: An STS race from Orion that is humanoid.
Q: [something about who or how they got hooked up with the Nazis. Probably a question related to the group that "handled" Hitler.]
A: The Thule Society originated contact.
Q: [something about them "waiting to take over the world"]
A: Waiting?
Q: [undoubtedly TR's question about what Admiral Byrd may have seen over the pole.]
A: Yes, but he was led to believe he was chasing what amounted to merely an encampment of detached Nazis.
Q: [So Byrd must have SEEN something and was then led off the track...]
A: Yes
Q: (L) What do these guys plan on doing?
A: This is where "The Master Race" is being developed.
Q: (L) And what is the timeframe they have planned for this activity?
A: Never mind.
The expression "Waiting?" is interesting: Since WW II, did Britain and the US behave like the winners or the loosers?

With the above background one can consider some more complications in the genealogy charts.

Reanimated humans
951014 said:
Q: (L) OK, now, you said a moment ago that some of these bodies were used as receptacles, soul receptacles. When you say soul receptacles, do you mean soul receptacles for whom?
A: Replacements for dead bodies, i.e. duplicated.
Q: (L) So, in other words, they make replacements for dead people and put their souls in a replacement body, so that they can continue living on, is that it?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Do they ever use dead bodies and re-animate them and then put other souls in them?
A: No. (T): Now, wait now, you're saying some of them... I'm lost now. (TK) Is there a limit to how long they can be dead? (L) They make...
A: For example: a soldier is KIA, his body is duplicated, his soul is replaced into new body, then he is "reprogrammed for service" to aliens and S.G. [Secret Government]
Q: (L) Where does the new body coming from? (TK) Cloned, basically. (SV) I would think so...
A: It is duplicate of old body.
Q: (T) Where do they get the duplicate? (L) Where do they get the material for the duplicate? I know that's a dumb question, I know the answer.
Q: (L) OK, that's it. (J) It's in the air, same thing. [TDARM is Trans Dimensional Atomic ReMolecularization] (T) Otherwise known in Star Trek as a 'Replicator'. (TK) Does somebody have to die in a certain way before they can do this?
"Underground race"
960504 said:
Q: (L) Would it also be that key personnel could also be replaced as in duplication?
A: Yes. And removing to secret activity realm. Enough wars have taken place to effectively create entire new "underground race" of humans, both from direct capture followed by "reeducation," and spawning activity using these persons and others.
Q: (L) What do you mean by spawning activity?
A: Those captured have reproduced offspring, these never having seen your world.
This means in principle that a person who has died according to the data and the genealogy chart at a certain time may continue elsewhere in a body.

Next is more about one activity that takes place underground. It is rather long, but I found it very interesting because it gives some mechanics of social trends and how some"good things" happening in the world may not be due to a few meditators only though they may be a part of it.

960921 said:
Q: (L) All right, last week, when we shut down for the night we had asked a question about the movie ID4, Independence Day, and we were told to ask further questions about this, so that gives us a clue that there might be something significant there. Does anybody remember what the question was that I asked? (T) Is there any significance to the ID4 movie?
A: Sure.
Q: (L) What was the primary intention of the makers of this movie? The primary message that they attempted to convey?
A: Infuse thinking patterns with [planchette swirled a few times here] concept of aliens.
Q: (L) Infuse. Just the concept, the concept of aliens in general. OK...
A: Part of a larger project.
Q: (L) And what is this project?
A: Called "Project Awaken."
Q: (L) And who is behind, or in charge of, this project?
A: Many.
Q: (L) Who are the primary group, groups or individuals? I'm sure you're not going to give us individuals, but just the grouping.
A: Thor's Pantheum.
Q: (L) And what is Thor's Pantheum?
A: Sub-select trainees for transfer of enlightenment frequency graduation.
Q: (L) What is enlightenment frequency graduation?
A: Think!
Q: (L) Enlightenment frequency graduation... so, sub-select trainees...
A: Self explanatory.
Q: (L) Well, is this group STS or STO?
A: Both.
Q: (L) OK... (T) Are they working at cross purposes?
A: No.
Q: (T) They're working together? Bipartisan?
A: No.
Q: (J) Are they aware of each other? Working on this?
A: Yes.
Q: (J) Are they screwing each other up? (L) No, that's going in the wrong direction...
A: There is more to all of this than you could dream.
Q: (T) There's more to all of this...were you referring to... (T) Who are they? Thor's Pantheum. And they're sub-select trainees...That's the group behind this movie; OK...
A: An army of Aryan psychic projectors.
Q: (T) Well, that explains a lot more than Thor's Pantheum of sub- select trainees! An army of psychic projectors. (L) And what do they project?
A: Themselves... Right in to one's head.
Q: (T) Into one's head... this is better than 'Must See TV!' (L) Project right into one's head... is anybody subject to this projecting?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) And, when they project themselves right into someone's head, what does that someone perceive?
A: Inspiration.
Q: (L) Inspiration to what, or to do what?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Yes? To do what, to do something?
A: And...
Q: (L) To do something, and to understand or perceive something, is that it?
A: Yes.
Q: (J) To believe something? (L) Yes. So, how many are in this army?
A: 1.6 million.
Q: (L) When they're doing this projecting into someone's head, where are they projecting from?
A: Mostly subterranean.
Q: (L) Subterranean, so these are the people of the tunnels, the underground bases and all that sort of thing. Are they 3rd or 4th density beings?
A: Both.
Q: (T) Let me back up to a question here. If they can do all this projecting on their own, what was the point of the movie?
A: No, you misunderstand... This is an intense activity, directed towards influencing the high level creative forces.
Q: (T) Projected against? Because this movie, if you've been following the reviews and the people talking about it, this movie has had more repeat business than any movie in years and years and years and years. People have seen it ten and twenty times! (L) Was there something subliminal in the movie? That opened something? (J) That's a good question!
A: Sure.
Q: (L) And was this subliminal activity with the movie designed to create an opening for this further...
A: Not for you, but for others.
Q: (L) Why? Do you mean me, personally, or us as a group? (T) Well the movie didn't affect me.
A: Group.
Q: (L) What made us immune?
A: You already have the knowledge.
Q: (L) What are these high level creative forces that are needing to be influenced, or desirable of being influenced?
A: Those in the creative arts.
Q: (L) So in other words, I see, this group is using their projecting ability to influence those in the creative arts to do creative things that will therefore influence the people on the planet. Is that it?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) And, these individuals are in the underground tunnels, and you say that they are both STS and STO.
A: We did not specify "tunnels," you did.
Q: (T) They said... how did they put that? Subterranean... (J) Mostly subterranean.(T) ... Underground. In other words, underground, as in resistance fighters type underground, underground as in ...
A: No.
Q: (T) Not fighters, but the idea that they are part of the underground movement? (L) Subterranean as in literally under the ground?
A: Yes.
Example of creative art:
941119 said:
(V) Does X-files have the Lizzie influence?
A: No.
Q: (T) Does X-files tell the people what they need to hear?
A: Yes.
A psychic projector class being?
941109 said:
Q: (L) Is Babaji living in Tibet?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) How old is Babaji?
A: 190
Babaj, if it is the one Laura is referring to in the question, is mentioned in Yogananda's Autobiography of a Yogi. The literature on yoga has other similar examples. A yogi, or what he called himself an 'Aghori' a super tantric called Vimalananda told about in the trilogy of Robert E. Svoboda called Aghora I, II and III, said about Babaji that he (as a yogi) is good, but his sister is even better! Below is more on yogis and perception in 4th density. It is also continuation of 950121 above.

950121 said:
Q: (L) We're getting a little glimmer! Yeah, I do, a little! (T) The ramifications of being able to move in and out of time and manipulate it the way you want (JR/Laura) And the ramifications of what they're doing to us; what they are doing to us and what they will do to us, over and over. (Frankdy) What did it say about over and over? (L) So, in other words, our only real prayer in this whole damn situation is to get out of this density level. That's what they're saying, that's what it sounds like to me.
A: Close.
Q: (L) Because, otherwise, we're just literally, as in that book, stuck in the replay over and over and over, and the Holocaust could happen over and over, and we could just, you know... Ghengis Khan, Atilla the Hun... over and over and over again. (T) We're stuck in a time loop; they're putting us in a time loop. (J) Are we in a time loop?
A: Yes.
Q: (D) I have a question about... there was a... (PAUSE) Mankind has found it necessary for some reason or other to appoint time for some reason or other. The only reason I can see is to have a means of telling, like in verbal or written communications...
A: Control mechanism.
Q: (T) Is there a way for us to break the control mechanism? Besides moving to 4th density? (D) That was part...
A: Nope.
Q: (D) When 4th density beings communicate it's telepathic, right?
A: Yes.
Q: (D) Okay, since time doesn't exist, how do you communicate about happenings?
A: Rephrase, please; clarify.
Q: (L) What she means to ask is, if you're communicating telepathically... (D) On 4th density.. (L) And time doesn't exist, how do you communicate about events as one happens now, as opposed to later and the next thing happens, and the next thing happens... (J) How is it sequential?
A: Translate.
Q: (D) Translate? Okay, let me explain what I mean. I mean, we talk about 1907 something happened...
A: That is how it is done.
Q: (T) Translate is how it is done. You translate the experience?
A: From 4 to 3. And vice versa.
Q: (L) So, in other words, it's almost like making movies. (J) Are linear thought processes part of it? Is it being linear and non-linear?
A: Part of 3d illusion only.
Q: (L) So, in other words, if you're a 4th density being, everything is more or less happening, excuse the term happening, everything is simultaneous, and if you wish to discuss or communicate or have any focus upon any particular aspect of this unified dimension, then what you do is you kind of extract it out, project it into 3d...
A: Close.
Q: (L) ... like a movie.
A: But you will not understand fully until you get there
Q: (T) Okay, so it's a concept that we can't completely grasp in 3d at this point.
A: Can a dog grasp algebra? You got it.
Q: (L) In other words, we're in bad shape! And these guys are playing games with us, so to speak...
A: Subjective.
Q: (T) Subjective to whether we're in bad shape or not.
A: Yes.
Q: (T) I was going to say that doesn't necessarily mean we're in bad shape... (L) Well, the situation we find ourselves in, is the only way of getting out of this time loop, so to speak, to move into another density, or is there a loop in the other density as well?
A: No.
Q: (L) No loop in the other density?
A: Yogis can do it.
Q: (L) Yogis can do it... (T) Transcend time. (L) Okay, let me ask this before we really start to go...
A: How they control their own physicality.
Life underground
960504 said:
A: No. How much space exists underground, as opposed to that on the surface?
Q: (L) A lot, I suppose. You aren't saying that the earth is hollow, are you?
A: No, not exactly.
Q: (L) Well, how deep is the deepest of these underground cities?
A: 3,108 miles.
Q: (L) That's pretty deep! But wouldn't it be too hot at that depth?
A: No. Temperature averages 68 degrees F.
Q: (TK) That's pretty comfortable! (L) How do they have light?
A: Magnetic resonance.
Q: (L) Well, aren't they subject to being crushed by earthquakes?
A: No, earthquakes are not felt deep underground!!
Q: (L) Does any of this underground civilization activity have any relation to this massive underground base the Russians are building?
A: No.
Q: (TK) Is any of this under the ocean?
A: Yes.
Q: (TK) Well, we'll never explore all of what is under the ocean. (L) It just staggers the mind to think about it. What do they want these people for?
A: To replace you.
Q: (TK) And why? Because they can control them better. Right?
A: Completely.
Q: (L) Do these people being bred and raised in these underground cities have souls?
A: Yes, most.
Q: (TK) Are they just like us only raised differently?
A: More complicated than that.
Q: (L) How long have they been doing this?
A: 14,000 years, approximately.
Q: (L) If they have been doing it that long, obviously the ones they have taken at the beginning have croaked and are of no use to replace anybody on the earth unless they have been replacing people from time to time for various reasons...
A: No, their technology makes yours look like Neanderthal by comparison! Hibernation tubes... One heartbeat per hour, for example.
Q: (TH) That means that for every year we live, they would live 4200 years... (L) Does any of this have anything to do with that crazy pit at Oak Island?
A: In an offhand way.
Q: (L) How do we fit into all of this? (TK) We don't!
A: You have been the "preparation committee."
Q: (L) What have we been doing? Is it part of the plan for us to destroy the planet, destroy the ozone layer, pollute the seas and so forth to make it more habitable for them?
A: Those things are inconsequential and easily repaired.
Q: (TK) With their technology, they can fix all of that. (L) This is really horrible, you know! To think of all this... (TK) Apparently, from what I am understanding, they can't just come in and wipe us out and replace us, because the 'rules' won't allow it.
A: Yet the natural cycles within the framework of the natural order of things will allow all these things to fall into place.
Q: (L) Is there some law within the realm of these beings, sort of like the law of gravity, that prevents them from just coming in and taking over?
A: No.
Q: (TK) I don't think it is like the law of gravity...
A: What "law" is there that inhibits you from manipulating 2nd density beings at will?!?
Detrimental robots are part of the underground city/bases scenario.
970719 said:
Q: Are there such things as 'DEROS,' as described in this underground bases book?
A: Detrimental Robots.
Q: Are DEROS part of the underground city/bases scenario?
A: Yup.
Section seven:

From humans of various types to all sorts of intelligent beings with various biological instruments all the way to sentient crystals and cyber creations each of there a a lot of family in creation that mostly we are unfamiliar with but which interact with us and apparently even have a dominating influence.
Therefore when it comes to doing genealogy, if we are in a timeloop and if others can edit history then doing genealogy for its own sake is rather limiting. On the other hand many lessons can be learned from doing it.

To complete this string of excerpts I looked for a quote on denial, because it is such a handy and comfortable way to react to most of the above. Indeed I find some of it hard to believe, but looking at how things have been going, are going, an judging from some of the experiences I have had, I shall no longer be surprised.

941119 said:
Q: (T) Am I correct in assuming that some of these hot-shot, big-wig guys in the government who have plans for taking over the whole world and making everything all happy and hunky-dory with them in charge, are just simply not in synch with the fact that there are some definite earth changes on the agenda? Are they missing something here?
A: Close. They are aware but in denial.
Q: (T) Are these earth changes going to occur prior to the arrival of the cometary cluster?
A: No. But "time" frame is, as of yet, undetermined.
Q: (T) Am I correct in saying that if they knew what was really going to happen that they would still continue with their stupid little plans to make money and try to control the world?
A: Yes. Greed is a sickness.
960428 said:
A: Denial is not incurable until you give up. Patience combined with kind invitations to participate in the learning process eventually allows the victim to awaken, thus to be open to cure. This helps you to build the "army" you seek. Isolation cures nothing. Thereby stifling progress, as any and all will ultimately be seen as "portals." Rather like "spinning one's wheels," yes??
A: The point is not to rigidly adhere to specific lifestyles, nor maintain exact patterning of behavior, merely to not close doors completely and permanently.
960411 said:
Q: (L) OK, we've been talking earlier this evening about intent, and of course, our own experiences with intent have really been pretty phenomenal. We've come to some kind of an idea that intent, when confirmed repeatedly, actually builds force. Is this a correct concept, and is there anything that you can add to it?
A: Only until anticipation muddies the picture... tricky one, huh?
Q: (L) Is anticipation the act of assuming you know how something is going to happen?
A: Follows realization, generally, and unfortunately for you, on 3rd density.
Q: (L) Is this a correct assessment of this process?
A: Both examples given are correct. You see, once anticipation enters the picture, the intent can no longer be STO.
Q: (L) Anticipation is desire for something for self. Is that it?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) OK, so it's OK to intend something, or to think in an intentional way, or to hope in an intentional way, for something that is to serve another, but anticipation defines it as a more personal thing.
A: And that brings realization.
Q: (L) So, desire to serve others, and to do something because it will help others, brings realization...
A: But, realization creates anticipation.
Q: (L) Well, how do we navigate this razor? I mean, this is like walking on a razor's edge. To control your mind to not anticipate, and yet, deal with realization, and yet, still maintain hope... (J) They said it was tricky... (L) This is, this is, um...
A: Mental exercises of denial, balanced with pure faith of a non prejudicial kind.
Q: (L) OK, so, in other words, to just accept what is at the moment, appreciate it as it is at the moment, and have faith that the universe and things will happen the way they are supposed to happen, without placing any expectation on how that will be?
A: Yes. .

Q: (L) This is, and I'm not asking about Ark, this is something that he has talked about in terms of shaping the future. He talks about shaping the future as an intentional act of shaping something good, but without defining the moment of measurement. In other words, adding energy to it by intent, but not deciding where, when or how the moment of measurement occurs. When the quantum jump occurs, it occurs on its own, and in its own way. Is this the concept he's dealing with here?
A: Anticipation.
Q: (L) In other words, is what he's talking about anticipation?
A: No.
Q: (L) Well, what do you mean -- anticipation in response to what I said?
A: That is the key to shaping the future... Avoiding it.
Q: (T) OK, because we're not anticipating in what we're doing...
A: Yes.
Q: (T) What we're doing is not anticipatory, it's just happening. We were talking about it on the way up, that with interactions with others, we are facilitating, we are creating reality. This is what they all say about reality.
A: When it hits you, it stops.
Q: (L) When what hits you? (J) The realization. (T) The fact that it's happening.
A: Yes unless you cancel out all anticipation.
So even the concept of denial is not that simple either. Interesting how the quotes using this word give a range of possibilities from denying that which is to acting in confidence and without fear based on knowledge.

Genealogy or if you like Cosmo-genealogy is such a huge field. One can move in any direction, back, forward, round, in, out, up, down and every angle yields a new light.

Very early on, when I began working on this post I came across an excerpt which was made for a completely different context, but it somehow fitted my situation with regard to putting it together.

981219 said:
A: When confronted with such a quandary, it is best to simply do, without prejudice, nor fear of error. Let the path create itself, in other words. And, on that note, good night.
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i just wanted to thank you for the post, i enjoyed reading it (even though it took me a while - busy at work ;) )
THANK YOU Thobiorn. This is an excellent example of what can be done with the transcripts. By organizing and thinking about the material in the way that you have, one can begin to increase knowledge. FREE YOUR MIND, NEO!
Yes, also a Thank you from here. It is now almost two months since I read it through and I have found little to add to this thread. It was most interesting to read and it reminded me of what the C's said so many times during the transcripts: "Review, review, review".

I am currently reading through " Secret history of the world" 3 years after having read the forerunner with the name "Ancient Science", and I am getting so much value out of reading this material another time. When I first read it, I got curious to read some of the books that were referenced. And reading the book now again makes more sense after having read some of these books. There are also a number of changes and an added chapter that is added to "Secret history of the world".

Gurdjieff suggested to his students to read his books 3 times and I can see that this could equally apply to the books that Laura has written.

Thx for posting it .
It is in interesting that C's says about german 1941/1945 whe they went to the undergorundbas.
I have good www * in Polish * about Nazi Wepon Vrill itd. itd. http://www.greendevils.pl/rozne/hyperborea/nowa_szwabia/1_nowa_szwabia.html
This comment from C's (falling in the middle of a very long paragraph) about a "'thousand year period'" seems unusual, since they rarely use "calendar terms" in referring to transition to 4D, but they seem to be doing so here explicitly. Would this period come before or after the transition? Or around it? Does it refer to a window within which individuals approach a boundary, or is there a collective boundary? If one is adjusting to a decision, that would seem to imply it comes after. Is it even possible to try to understand this without too much "anticipating"? I just am perplexed by it and wonder if anyone had interpreted this in any particular way, or if are there other references elsewhere that shed light on it?

941022 said:
A: ........ Now, as you advance to the fourth level of density which is coming up for you, you must now make a choice as to whether to progress to service to others or to remain at the level of service to self. This will be the decision which will take quite some time for you to adjust to. This is what is referred to as the "thousand year period." This is the period as measured in your calendar terms that will determine whether or not you will advance to service to others or remain at the level of service to self. And those who are described as the Lizards have chosen to firmly lock themselves into service to self.
Radish said:
This comment from C's (falling in the middle of a very long paragraph) about a "'thousand year period'" seems unusual, since they rarely use "calendar terms" in referring to transition to 4D, but they seem to be doing so here explicitly. Would this period come before or after the transition? Or around it? Does it refer to a window within which individuals approach a boundary, or is there a collective boundary? If one is adjusting to a decision, that would seem to imply it comes after.
First one notices that "thousand year period" in the transcripts are in quotes:
961221 said:
A: We put in quotes what we want further examined.
The thousand year period may remind one of what is said in the chapter of Revelation in the Bible. Although the Cassiopaeans refer to 'calendar terms' it is not from date to date, so it is possibly a play on words, indicating something between fixed and not fixed. Therefore I understand it like an approximation. Anything between 900 -1100 could be considered a thousand year period. In addition one can consider diffferent futures, one could be 951, another 1053 etc.

In the next excerpt there is something about time but the interesting part is the last bit:
960622 said:
Q: (L) But I thought that time perception was an illusion?
A: YOUR perception of it is an illusion. Remember the example of the dogs and cats riding in a car?
Q: (L) Yes. Ouspensky and the horse. So, time, as an essential thing, DOES exist?
A: But not as you know it. When we refer to "timelessness," we are speaking from the standpoint of your familiarity only.
Q: (L) Does time then exist, and does space have a limit?
A: You are getting confused because your inborn linear perception is clouding the image your efforts are trying to produce.
Q: (L) Okay, let's go back to the "balancing" of Earth. How can this be done?
A: Vague question.
Q: (L) Let me try this: the "buckets of love and light" group say that it is going to be balanced because everyone is going to think nice thoughts, and all of their buckets of love and light are going to eventually reach a critical mass and spill over onto all the rest of humanity and all of the bad guys are going to be transformed into good guys. This is the standard version. Is this what you mean?
A: No.
Q: (L) Swell! Is the energy that is being manifested in the positive, on and around the planet, is it going to reduce the level of negativity in the beings existing on the planet?
A: This is not the point. When "Earth" becomes a 4th density realm, all the forces, both STS and STO shall be in direct contact with one another... It will be a "level playing field," thus, balanced.
A "level playing field" can sound like a game field for two teams, like in cricket, football or soccer. But it also gives one an association to military strategy. Therefore one can think of a game, of a competition or battle as well possibly of a timeframe within which the game or the battle is played out or decided. The previous consideration is with regard to a group, but one can also understand the game to be something individual and internal, that goes on in ones own mind, where one will become increasingly more aware of the two directions STS and STO and after some time settle in with one of them depending on ones choice.

The following quote explains that the Millennium is the transition:
950107 said:
Q: (L) Let's go back to a question I asked in another session on this same subject: what happens to our energy at the point of orgasm? Where does that energy go?
A: Drains to 4th level STS.
Q: (T) Is this a manifestation of the Lizards feeding off of us?
A: STSers there retrieve it.
Q: (T) So, orgasm is a 3rd density manifestation of the 4th density consumption of 3rd density energy?
A: One of their methods.
Q: (D) In "Bringers of the Dawn" it talks about sex and it says that it is an expression of love and so forth and that you should not have sex with someone who does not really love you.
A: Love is all that is needed.
Q: (L) If two individuals, as an expression of true love at higher levels, desire to express this love in a physical way, is it possible to channel the energy in a positive way without feeding the 4th level STS guys?
A: Nope.
Q: (L) In other words, no matter what you do, how you think, or whatever, that's where it goes?
A: Sex is a physical craving.
Q: (V) So, when the big transition comes, let me assume, anybody who is having sex at the time or has any kind of sexual relationships around that time is not going to transition because of that? (L) I don't think so... (V) Well, I just want to get this clear. Is that true?
A: No. Transition is the "Millennium." A thousand years is the 3rd level interpretation.
Q: (L) So, for a thousand years we will be living as physical beings in 4th density... so to speak... making this transition during this period... and, by the time it is over we will have done away with our physical appetites?
A: Close. Some will be there at the beginning, others will need more "time."

Q: (T) So, when we are on the 4th density, we are still in the physical, and we will still be consuming, will we then be consuming that energy from 3rd density, the orgasmic energy, or something like that?
A: Some.
Q: (D) Even if we are STO?
A: Not if completely STO.
Q: (D) Then how do we get energy.... we get energy from each other. Which is more powerful... the service... well we have to be service to others... (L) That is because STO multiplies and grows... STS just fragments, segregates, and gets smaller and smaller... (J) The law of diminishing returns. (D) We can access or receive other's energies as we give our own?
A: Yes.
The following considers human beings as individuals and as a group and what it could mean in the future.
970920 said:
A: Whale is unified soul.
Q: Unified from what to what?
A: All whales share the same soul!
Q: Are human beings like that or moving in that direction, becoming unified soul?
A: Fragmented.
Q: Human beings are a fragmented soul. Were we once a unified soul?
A: Once and future.
Q: When one is a unified soul, then obviously all the experiences of the former fragments become everyone's experience, so to speak. Is that correct?
A: Close.
Probably "future" would be after the STO/STS choice has been settled. One question is if all of mankind would necessarily opt for the same choice? Or if the "level playing field" will develop and have unified soul groups on both sides. One possibility is that unified soul groups may occur sporadically in small numbers and later grow together with other like minded groups.

thorbiorn said:
A "level playing field" can sound like a game field for two teams, like in cricket, football or soccer. But it also gives one an association to military strategy. Therefore one can think of a game, of a competition or battle as well possibly of a timeframe within which the game or the battle is played out or decided. The previous consideration is with regard to a group, but one can also understand the game to be something individual and internal, that goes on in ones own mind, where one will become increasingly more aware of the two directions STS and STO and after some time settle in with one of them depending on ones choice.
Your thoughts bring to my mind some information concerning the symbolism of the chess. We know that there are 16 units against each other in this old representasion of 'level playing field' of cosmic forces. These two opposing groups are ruled by different intellects or 'thought centres'.

Cassiopaeans have said in 940930.

(L) How many members are there in the Orion/Lizzie group?
A: 16.
Q: (L) Who are the good guys? You say the Cassiopaeans are the
good guys. Who else?
A: Pleiadeans and many others.
Q: (L) How many?
A: 16.
Q: (L) Are the sides equally balanced?
A: Yes.
Now - this is Titus Burckhardt's essay - 'The Symbolism of the Chess'

It is known that the game of chess originated in India. It was passed on to the medieval West through the intermediary of the Persians and the Arabs, a fact to which we owe, for example, the expression ‘checkmate’ (german Schachmatt) which is derived from the Persian shah: ‘king’ and the Arabic mat: ‘he is dead’. At the time of the Renaissance some of the rules of the game were changed: the ‘queen’ [1] and the two ‘bishops’ [2] were given a greater mobility, and thenceforth the game acquired a more abstract and mathematical character; it departed from its concrete model, strategy, without however losing the essential features of its symbolism. In the original position of the chessmen, the ancient strategic model remains obvious; one can recognize two armies ranged according to the battle order that was customary in the ancient East: the light troops, represented by the pawns, form the first line; the bulk of the army consists of the heavy troops, the war chariots (‘castles’), the knights (‘cavalry’), and the war elephants (‘bishops’); the ‘king’ with his ‘lady’ or ‘counsellor’ is positioned at the centre of his troops.

The form of the chess-board corresponds to the ‘classical’ type of Vastu-mandala, the diagram which also constitutes the basic lay-out of a temple or a city. It has been pointed out [3] that this diagram symbolizes existence as a ‘field of action’ of the divine powers. The combat which takes place in the game of chess thus represents, in its most universal meaning, the combat of the devas with the asuras, of the ‘gods’ with the ‘titans’, or of the ‘angels’ [4] with the ‘demons’, all other meanings of the game deriving from this one.

The most ancient description of the game of chess which we possess appears in ‘The Golden Prairies’ by the Arab historian al Mas’udi, who lived in Baghdad in the ninth century. Al-Mas’udi attributes the invention – or codification – of the game to a Hindu king ‘Balhit’, a descendent of ‘Barahamn’. There is an obvious confusion here between a caste, that of the Brahmins, and a dynasty; but that the game of chess has a brahmanic origin is proved by the eminently sacerdotal character of the diagram of 8 x 8 squares (ashtapada). Further, the warlike symbolism of the game related it to the Ksatriyas, the caste of princes and nobles, as al-Mas’udi indicates when he wites that the Hindus considered the game of chess (shatranj, from the Sanskrit chaturanga[5]) as a ‘school of government and defence’. King Balhit is said to have composed a book on the game of which he ‘made a sort of allegory of the heavenly bodies, such as the planets and the twelve signs of the Zodiac, consecrating each piece to a star…’ It may be recalled that the Hindus recognize eight planets: the sun, the moon, the five planets visible to the naked eye, and Rahu, the ‘dark star’ of the eclipses;[6] each of these ‘planets’ rules one of the eight directions of space. ‘The Indians’, continues al-Mas’udi, ‘give a mysterious meaning to the re-doubling, that is to say to the geometrical progression, effected on the squares of the chess-board; they establish a relationship between the first cause, which dominates all the spheres and in which everything finds its end, and the sum of the squares of the chess-board…’ Here the author is probably confusing the cyclical symbolism implied in the ashtapada and the famous legend according to which the inventor of the game asked the monarch to fill the squares of his chess-board with grains of corn by placing one grain on the first, two on the second, four on the third, and so on up to the sixty-fourth square, which gives the sum of 18,446,744,073,709,551,616 grains.

The cyclical symbolism of the chess-board resides in the fact that it expresses the unfolding of space according to the quaternary and octonary of the principal directions (4 * 4 * 4 = 8 * 8) and that it synthesizes, in crystalline form, the two great complementary cycles of sun and moon: the duodenary of the zodiac and the 28 lunar mansions; furthermore, the number 64, the sum of the squares on the chess-board, is a sub-multiple of the fundamental cyclic number 25920, which measures the precession of the equinoxes. We have seen that each phase of a cycle, ‘fixed’ in the scheme of 8 * 8 squares, is ruled by a heavenly body and at the same time symbolizes a divine aspect, personified by a deva. It is thus that this mandala symbolizes at one and the same time the visible cosmos, the world of the Spirit, and the Divinity in its multiple aspects. Al-Mas’udi is therefore right to say that the Indians explain, ‘by calculations based on the chess-board, the march of time and the cycles, the higher influences that are exerted on this world, and the bonds that attach them to the human soul…’

The cyclical symbolism of the chess-board was known to King Alphonsus the Wise, the famous troubadour of Castile, who in 1283 composed his Libros de Acedrex, a work which draws largely from Oriental sources.[8] Alphonsus the Wise also describes a very ancient variant of the game of chess, the ‘game of four seasons’, which takes place between four partners, so that the pieces, placed in the four corners of the chess-board, move in a rotatory direction, analogous to the movement of the sun. The 4 * 8 pieces must have the colours green, red, black, and white; they correspond to the four seasons: spring, summer, autumn, and winter; to the four elements: air, fire, earth, and water; and to the four organic ‘humours’. The movement of the four camps symbolizes cyclical transformation.[9] This game, which strangely resembles certain ‘solar’ rites and dances of the Indians of North America, brings into relief the fundamental principle of the chess-board.

The chess-board can be considered as the extension of a diagram formed by four squares, alternatively black and white, and constitutes in itself a mandala of Shiva, God, in his aspect of transformer: the coagulation, expresses the principle of time. The four squares, placed around an unmanifested centre, symbolize the cardinal phases of every cycle. The alternation of the black and white squares in this elementary diagram of the chess-board[10] brings out its cyclical significance[11] and makes of it the rectangular equivalent of the Far-Eastern symbol of yin-yang. It is an image of the world in its fundamental dualism.[12]

If the sensible world in its integral development results to some extent from the multiplication of qualities inherent in space and time, the Vastu-mandala for its part derives from the division of time by space: one may recall the genesis of the vastu-mandala from the never-ending celestial cycle, the cycle being divided by the cardinal axes, then crystallized in a rectangular form.[13] The mandala is thus the inverted reflection of the principal synthesis of space and time, and it is in this that its ontological significance resides.

From another point of view, the world is ‘woven’ from the three fundamental qualities or gunas[14] and the mandala represents this weaving in a schematic manner, in conformity with the cardinal directions of space. The analogy between the Vastu-mandala and weaving is brought out by the alternation of colours which recalls a woven fabric of which the warp and the woof are alternately apparent or hidden.

Morever, the alternation of black and white corresponds to the two aspects of the mandala, which are complementary in principle but opposed in practice: the mandala is on the one hand Purusha-mandala, that is to say a symbol of the Universal Spirit (Purusha) inasmuch as it is an immutable and transcendent synthesis of the cosmos; on the other hand it is a symbol of existence (Vastu) considered as the passive support of divine manifestations. The geometric quality of the symbol expresses the Spirit, while its purely quantitative extension expresses existence. Likewise its ideal immutability is ‘spirit’ and its limiting coagulation is ‘existence’ or material; here it is not material prima, virgin and generous, that is being referred to, but material secunda, ‘dark’ and chaotic, which is the root of existential dualism. In this connection one may recall the myth according to which the Vastu-mandala represents an asura, personification of brute existence: the devas have conquered this demon and have established their ‘dwelling-places’ on the stretched-out-body of their victim; thus they confer their ‘form’ upon him, but it is he who manifests them.[15]

The double meaning which characterizes the Vastu-Purusha-mandala, and which, moreover, is to be found in every symbol, is in a sense actualized by the combat that the game of chess represents. This combat, as we have said, is essentially that of the devas and the asuras, who dispute the chess-board of the world. It is here that the symbolism of black and white, already present in the squares of the chess-board, takes on its full value: the white army is that of Light, the black army that of darkness. In a relative domain, the battle which takes place on the chess-board represents, either that of two terrestrial armies each of which is fighting in the name of a principle,[16] or that of the spirit and of darkness in man; these are the two forms of the ‘holy war’; the ‘lesser holy war’ and the ‘greater holy war’, according to a saying by the Prophet Muhammad. One will see the relationship of the symbolism implied in the game of chess with the theme of the Bhagavad-Gita, a book which is likewise addressed to Ksatriyas.

If the significance of the different chessmen is transposed into the spiritual domain, the king becomes the heart, the spirit, and the other pieces the various faculties of the soul. Their movements, moreover, correspond to different ways of realizing the cosmic possibilities represented by the chessboard: there is the axial movement of the ‘castles’ or war chariots, the diagonal movement of the ‘bishops’ or elephants, which follow a single colour, and the complex movement of the knights. The axial movement, which ‘cuts’ through the different ‘colours’, is logical and virile, while the diagonal movement corresponds to an ‘existential’ – and therefore feminine – continuity. The jump of the knights corresponds to intuition.

What most fascinates the man of noble and warlike caste is the relationships between will and destiny. Now it is precisely this that is so clearly illustrated by the game of chess, inasmuch as its moves always remain intelligible without being limited in their variation. Alphonsus the Wise, in his book on chess, relates how a king of India wished to know whether the world obeyed intelligence or chance. Two wise men, his advisers, gave opposing answers, and to prove their respective theses, one of them took as his example the game of chess, in which intelligence prevails over chance, while the other produced dice, as a symbol of fatality.[17] Al-Mas’udi writes likewise that the king ‘Balhit’, who is said to have codified the game of chess, gave it preference over nerd (sic), a game of chance, because in the former intelligence always has the upper hand over ignorance.

At each stage of the game, the player is free to choose between several possibilities, but each movement will entail a series of unavoidable consequences, so that necessity increasingly limits free choice, the end of the game being seen, not as the fruit of hazard, but as the result of rigorous laws.

It is here that we see not only the relationship between will and fate but also between liberty and knowledge; except that in the case of inadvertence on the part of his opponent, the player will only safeguard his liberty of action when his decisions correspond with the nature of the game, that is to say with the possibilities that the game implies. In other words, freedom of action is here in complete solidarity with foresight and knowledge of the possibilities; contrary-wise, blind impulse, however free and spontaneous it may appear at first sight, is revealed in the final outcome as a non-liberty.

The ‘royal art’ is to govern the world – outward and inward – in conformity with its own laws. This art presupposes wisdom, which is the knowledge of possibilities; now all possibilities are contained, in a synthetic manner, in the universal and divine Spirit. True wisdom is a more or less perfect identification with the Spirit (Purusha), this latter being symbolized by a geometrical quality [18] of the chessboard, ‘seal’ of the essential unity of the cosmic possibilities. The Spirit is Truth; through Truth, man is free; outside Truth, he is the slave of fate. That is the teaching of the game of chess; the Ksatriya who gives himself over to it does not only find in it a pastime or a means of sublimating his warlike passion and his need for adventure, but also, according to his intellectual capacity, a speculative support, and a ‘way’ that leads from action to contemplation.


[1] In Oriental chess this piece is not a ‘queen’ but a ‘counsellor’ or ‘minister’ to the king (in Arabic mudaffir or wazir, in Persian fersan or fars). The designation ‘queen’ in the Western game is doubtless due to a confusion of the Persian term fersan, which became alferga in Castilian, and the old French fierce or fierge for ‘virgin’. Be that as it may, the attribution of such a dominant role to the king’s ‘lady’ correspond well with the attitude of chivalry. It is significant also that the game of chess was passed on to the West by that Arabo-Persian current that also brought with it heraldic art and the principal rules of chivalry.

[2] This piece was originally an elephant (Arabic al-fil) which bore a fortified tower. The schematic representation of an elephant’s head in some medieval manuscripts could be taken either for a ‘fool’s cap’ or a bishops’ mitre: in French the piece is called fou, ‘fool’; in German it is called Laufer ‘runner’.

[3] See the author’s Sacred Art in East and West (Perennial Books, London, 1986), Chapter I, ‘The Genesis of the Hindu Temple.’

[4] The devas of Hindu mythology are analogous to the angels of the monotheistic traditions; it is known that each angel corresponds to a divine function.

[5] The word chaturanga signifies the traditional Hindu army, composed of four angas (elephants, horses, chariots, and soldiers).

[6] Hindu cosmology always takes account of the principle of inversion and exception, which results from the ‘ambiguous’ character of manifestation: the nature of stars is luminosity, but as the stars are not Light itself, there must also be a dark one.

[7] Certain Buddhist texts describe the universe as a board of 8 * 8 squares, fixed by golden cords; these squares correspond to the 64 kalpas of Buddhism (see Suddharma Pundarika, Burnouf, Lotus de la bonne Loi, p. 148). In the Ramayana, the impregnable city of the gods, Ayodhya is described as a square with eight compartments on each side. We also recall, in the Chinese tradition, the 64 signs, whichderive from the 8 trigrams commented on in the I-Ching. These 64 signs are generally arranged so as to correspond to the eight regions of space. Thus we again encounter the idea of a quaternary an octonary division of space, which summarizes all the aspects of the universe.

[8] In 1254 St. Louis, King of France, forbade chess to his subjects. The saint had in mind the passions that the game could unleash, especially as it was frequently combined with the use of dice.

[9] This variant of chess id described in the Bhawisya Purana. Alphonsus the Wise also speaks of a ‘great game of chess’ which is played on a board of 12 * 12 squares and of which the pieces represent mythological animals; he attributes it to the sages of India.

[10] Given that the Chinese chess-board, which likewise had its origin in India, does not possess the alternation of two colours, it is to be assumed that this element comes from Persia; it nevertheless remains faithful to the original symbolism of the chess-board.

[11] It also makes of it a symbol of inverse analogy: spring and autumn, morning and evening, are inversely analogous. In a general manner the alternation of balck and white corresponds to the rhythm of day and night, of life and death, of manifestation and of reabsorption in the unmanifest.

[12] For this reason the type of Vastu-mandala which has an uneven number of squares could not serve as a chess-board: the ‘battlefield’ which the latter represents cannot have a manifested centre, for symbolically it would have to be beyond oppositions.

[13] See the author’s Sacred Art in East and West, Chapter 2, ‘The Foundations of Christian Art’ (Perennial Books, London, 1986).

[14] See Rene Guenon, The Symbolism of the Cross (Luzac, London, 1958).

[15] The mandala of 8 * 8 squares is also called Manduka, ‘the frog’, by allusion to the ‘Great Frog’ (maha-manduka) which supports the whole universe and which is the symbol of obscure and undifferentiated material.

[16] In a holy war it is possible that each of the combatants may legitimately consider himself as the protagonist of Light fighting the darkness. This again is a consequence of the double meaning of every symbol: what for one is the expression of the Spirit, may be the image of dark ‘matter’ in the eyes of the other.

[17] The mandala of the chessboard, on the one hand, and dice, on the other, represent two different and complementary symbols of the cosmos.
[18] We may recall that the Spirit or the Word is the ‘form of forms’, that is to say the formal principle of the universe.
More information about history of this game can be found at hXXp://www.goddesschess.com/chessays/chessaystoc.html

It seems to be that all kinds of plays in different places of the world served as methods for knowledge synthesis including in its scope the deepest microcosmos and a largest macrocosmos. And nowadays the esoteric meaning is entirely lost.
Or is it? The case of Tarot and ordinary cards seems to be interesting. The Cassiopaeans have said that Tarot was used as a 'tune in' tool. But were not games like chess constructed for the same purpose?
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