About Reincarnation

[DreamGod]

The C´s explained to us that we were STO beings in a 3rd density realm, before the "fall" and all this manipulation by the lizzard beings. Our souls, where individualy back then, as they are now.

What I want to get into is:

1.- when did the reincarnation process started?
2.- It started on second density and then individualy we graduated to STO 3rd density beings?
3.- when de c´s said about jesus reincarnation 1009, did they mean human reincarnations or since he was a 1st density being?

October 5, 1994

Q: (L) What realm or area did Jesus come from before he was born into the earth in the body of Jesus of Nazareth?
A: 5th density.
Q: (L) He was a fifth density soul?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Had he had any other incarnations in other human bodies on planet earth?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) How many incarnations did he have before he achieved fifth density? A: 1009.

June 10, 1995

Q: (T) A fourth level soul can then enter the body of a third level?
A: Or perhaps a fourth level soul... remember, as we have described to you before, levels one through four, more appropriately density levels one through four, all involve short wave cycle recycling, or, as you refer to it, reincarnation. Because, each and every one of these density levels has a soul and a physical body marriage, as it were, in progressive life experiences. Each and every one of these density levels involves movement to the fifth level of density for contemplation during the cycling process. It is level six, which is the first level where short wave cycly recycling is no longer necessary because there is no more physical orientation. Therefore, all levels, one through four have a soul reflection of the physical body at all times when in physical state. And, therefore, reincarnation of various types, is at various points on the short wave cycle always possible, and, in fact, quite probable. Do you understand?

 

[Iron]

Well I don't think there is an "start point" per se for the process. It seems that on the creation that we experience, the rule is that there is reincarnation to the levels 1 to 4 and as long this creation sustains itself this may be the case.
There is no time objectively speaking, and thinking of an start point to any process is an limitation of our 3D Thinking.

2- It seems that there is an colective chance to acelerated graduation from density to density, everytime the Wave passes. So it seems that the process starts in first density. Each density with their own challenges and lessons, and when all lessons are learned, the soul is ready to graduate.

3 - I think they were refering to human incarnations. Remember that there is no time, so many of those alternate lifes possibly were happening at the "same time".

Those and other related questions are covered with much more depth in the Wave series. Have you read it? Because just reading the transcripts leaves one without knowing the full extent of the answers given, because there is no context in which to place the answers.

 

[kenlee]

3 - I think they were refering to human incarnations. Remember that there is no time, so many of those alternate lifes possibly were happening at the "same time".

Just speculating here but this made me think of what Ouspensky said in his book A New Model Of The Universe on dreams. Possibly in former lives we had many abilities and talents that are in 'no time,' but in this particular incarnation, although they are real in our dreams, their actual manifestation is inhibited due to genetics, upbringing and other factors that limit and restrict their expression.

Excerpt from 'A New Model Of The Universe' p.154

I remember that this dream interested me very much because it showed me quite clearly that there was in me an artist, sometimes very naive, sometimes very subtle, who worked at these dreams and created them out of the material which I possessed but could never use in full measure while awake. And I saw that this artist was extraordinarily versatile in his knowledge, capacities and talents. He was a playwright, a producer, a scene-painter, and a remarkable actor-impersonator. This last capacity in him was possibly the most astonishing of all. It especially struck me because I had very little of this capacity when awake. I never could imitate people, never could reproduce their voices, intonations, gestures, movements; never could repeat the most characteristic words or phrases even of the people most familiar to me; in the same way I never could reconstruct accents and peculiarities of speech. But I could do all this in dreams. The striking capacity for impersonation which manifested itself in dreams would undoubtedly have been a great talent had I been able to make use of it when awake. And I understood that this was not peculiar to me alone. This capacity for impersonation, for dramatisation, for arranging the picture, for stylisation, for symbolisation, lies within every man and is manifested in his dreams.

 

[Iron]

Thinking somewhat along these lines, perhaps in all those alternate lives we develop all the range of possible talents of 3D existance?
In different roles to account for diversity, but in the end some archetypal roles repeat thenselves?

Being a healer in some lives, an artist on others, the scientist/investigator in others. And the more we acess knowledge in one of those lives, the more knowledge is acessible to the other lives?

Also, I wonder whats the deeper meaning of having certain abilities blocked. Its just the roll of the genetic dice? Or there is perhaps some lesson of regaining what once was yours?

 

[Kisito]

All souls Orion did they arrive at the same time, or is it that there are those who have remained 5D since the fall of Orion?

 

[mkrnhr]

FWIW, there is an extract from the transcripts in the Wave (Chapter 68, Vol. 8) :

June 24, 2000

Q: (L) A reader writes: “I can’t reconcile the idea of our being trapped or lured – by sensuality – into a physical state with the idea that we have progressed through the vegetative and animal states.” This is a good question. It seems that the energy of creation has progressed through the vegetative and animal states, that animals can graduate to third density and become human, just as humans can graduate to fourth density. How do we reconcile this with the idea that human souls were entrapped into third-density bodies from fourth density, by the Lizards? Are we talking about two different functions? Two different groups?
A: Humans were not entrapped by the “Lizards.”
Q: (B) We volunteered!

(L) Well, they did say that the Lizards were waiting for the right soul matrix to “step in.” So, we were the right soul matrix and we stepped into these engineered bodies that the Lizards created. That’s what you said. So, how do we reconcile us stepping into these engineered third-density bodies with soul evolution through the vegetative and animal states?
A: If you look more closely at the material, it was not stated that the consciousness levels currently represented by humans and many others “stepped into” anything in particular but PHYSICALITY. Individual consciousness units stepped into different physical forms. Some “stepped” in as humans right off the bat, and some chose otherwise. It is simply that the “choice” to experience physicality in many forms, was simultaneous, though different “units” have participated in different ways at different stages, rather than in a linear progression.

Emphasis mine.

Edit: The whole chapter discusses these questions. Maybe it is worth rereading it.

 

[Kisito]

Think you, but Cs say Orion fell there in 309,000 years the Neanderthals and plants are 2 billion years?!

 

[Deleted member 8431]

Think you, but Cs say Orion fell there in 309,000 years the Neanderthals and plants are 2 billion years?!

The Great Fall as brought up by the C's does not refer to the beginning of life on earth per se but rather to the beginning of the human race as we currently know it (the "experiment" so to speak).

Hope it helps.

Peace.

 

[Kisito]

Thank you, do you think there are other souls Orion life on earth 2D OR 3D 1D?

 

[mkrnhr]

Think you, but Cs say Orion fell there in 309,000 years the Neanderthals and plants are 2 billion years?!

The fall does not concern the Orions, it concerns the soul group of what we refer as humans. You can find the whole explanation here: http://cassiopaea.org/2012/03/24/the-wave-chapter-68-as-above-so-below/ :)

 

[electrosonic]

Think you, but Cs say Orion fell there in 309,000 years the Neanderthals and plants are 2 billion years?!

The fall does not concern the Orions, it concerns the soul group of what we refer as humans. You can find the whole explanation here: http://cassiopaea.org/2012/03/24/the-wave-chapter-68-as-above-so-below/ :)

Ultimately it depends on from what viewpoint you look at all of this - I suppose there's no reason not to assume that we are all part of the same higher soul group, and are therefore one and the same at at certain level (a much higher one of course).

Everything is cycles. Those that are now inhabiting 1D, 2D & 3D may of been previously at 6D, and for whatever reason decided to recycle back down. Once at the bottom all consciousness seems to swim upwards as it were. Then it all starts again?

A constant cycle of energy moving downwards, and another cycle moving upwards. Like breathing in ... then breathing out... constant cycling.