Alleged Pentagon Virus to alter 'god gene'

[Joe]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNgXzKwxU5g

The official story on this is:

This is a lecture by an unidentified scientist given to DoD officials inside the Pentagon. It is dated 4-13-05 - about a year after the "God Gene" was first discovered. The scientist describes a plan to alter the "God Gene" in the Middle Easter Population in order to end the turmoil in that region. I acquired the video through an unknown source and from my knowledge, connections and experience as part of a unit called combat camera, I have verified it to be authentic. Uploaded by JoeyLambardi on Jun 1, 2011

Anyone got any opinions or data on the authenticity of it?

 

[anart]

The presentation was a little odd. I suppose a neurobiologist could chime in on the scans he's showing and if they are realistic or not. Not sure I believe that it's authentic footage, though - seems staged - but who knows? Not sure I buy the idea that they've developed a vaccination for this particular gene expression (if it is tied to a particular gene). If it's true, they need to vaccinate Sarah Palin and her crowd first. ;D

 

[1984]

I'm kind of in the "I dunno" category. It seems real enough I suppose. The presenter seemed nerdy enough to be speaking about it (not that they can't hire a nerd to play the part). The presenter had a funny quirk when he'd answer a question posed to him by saying the word 'so' before he'd answer the question, never a 'yes' or 'no' or even a 'well'..., which I find kind of odd.

A couple things: 1) I couldn't hear some of the questions (I'm at work and can't crank the volume) so I can't really know whether the presenter was answering the questions as posed to him, and 2) and near the end I noticed the presenter's lips not moving as it seemed they should have for what you were hearing him say.

Overall, I still dunno, but I wholeheartedly agree that Palin and her ilk should be first in line!

PS: I'd like to have heard the rest of the interview questions. Seems he was cut off right in the middle of more interesting questions...

 

[anart]

A couple things: 1) I couldn't hear some of the questions (I'm at work and can't crank the volume) so I can't really know whether the presenter was answering the questions as posed to him, and 2) and near the end I noticed the presenter's lips not moving as it seemed they should have for what you were hearing him say.

Might be a voice-over of some random presentation on brain scans? Most of it is shot from a camera at the back of the room, but at one point the slide is shown full on, as if whoever made the video had access to (or made) the slide - yet the sentence put up by the poster is 'this is going way to (sic) far' - sooooo - that doesn't fit. (not that I doubt that the DOD has such projects in the works)

 

[1984]

...but at one point the slide is shown full on, as if whoever made the video had access to (or made) the slide - yet the sentence put up by the poster is 'this is going way to (sic) far' - sooooo - that doesn't fit.

Good point. The slide was also added when the guy nearest the back of the room stepped in front of, and to the left of, the camera to talk to another guy sitting in the rear. Kind of like, 'oh well, don't want that conversation heard so we'll put up the slide image again'. It stayed on screen more than several seconds.

Another thing: How would you verify something as authentic that was sent to you through an unknown source?

 

[mamadrama]

(not that I doubt that the DOD has such projects in the works)

Yeah, but it's really a stretch to assume that targeting this particular gene, the VMAT2, would be an appropriate strategy for eradicating fundamentalist extremism, though I would so love to see a vaccine for Sara Palin. If you read about the God gene, though all of its functions are not known, the "VMAT2 appears to be involved in the transport of monoamine neurotransmitters across the synapses of the brain."

This is a long way from a "God Gene", as PZ Myers notes:

"It's a pump. A teeny-tiny pump responsible for packaging a neurotransmitter for export during brain activity. Yes, it's important, and it may even be active and necessary during higher order processing, like religious thought. But one thing it isn't is a 'god gene."

This gene is also hypothesized to relate to self-transcendence making people more optimistic, which makes them healthier.

So if by chance it is some sort of a biological target, I would reckon it is more for disrupting any sense of optimism and success than rooting out 'fundamentalism.'

 

[Alana]

And there's this from _http://funvax.wordpress.com/

A Published Paper That Describes How Genetic Engineering Can Be Used To Enhance Spirituality!
Posted on May 17, 2011 by funvax

If Genetic Engineers can enhance spirituality by manipulating genes, then they can definitely eliminate it as well!

The following is a publish science journal article which describes how one could use genetic engineering to alter one’s spirituality.

Genospirituality: genetic engineering for spiritual and religious enhancement.
Charlton BG.
Abstract

The most frequently discussed role for genetic engineering is in relation to medicine, and a second area which provokes discussion is the use of genetic engineering as an enhancement technology. But one neglected area is the potential use of genetic engineering to increase human spiritual and religious experience – or genospirituality. If technologies are devised which can conveniently and safely engineer genes causal of spiritual and religious behaviours, then people may become able to choose their degree of religiosity or spiritual sensitivity. For instance, it may become possible to increase the likelihood of direct religious experience – i.e. ‘revelation’: the subjective experience of communication from the deity. Or, people may be able to engineer ‘animistic’ thinking, a mode of cognition in which the significant features of the world – such as large animals, trees, distinctive landscape features – are regarded as sentient and intentional beings; so that the individual experiences a personal relationship with the world. Another potentially popular spiritual ability would probably be shamanism; in which states of altered consciousness (e.g. trances, delirium or dreams) are induced and the shaman may undergo the experience of transformations, ‘soul journeys’ and contact with a spirit realm. Ideally, shamanistic consciousness could be modulated such that trances were self-induced only when wanted and when it was safe and convenient; and then switched-off again completely when full alertness and concentration are necessary. It seems likely that there will be trade-offs for increased spirituality; such as people becoming less ‘driven’ to seek status and monetary rewards – as a result of being more spiritually fulfilled people might work less hard and take more leisure. On the other hand, it is also possible that highly moral, altruistic, peaceable and principled behaviours might become more prevalent; and the energy and joyousness of the best churches might spread and be strengthened. Overall, genospirituality would probably be used by people who were unable to have the kind of spiritual or religious experiences which they wanted (or perhaps even needed) in order to lead the kind of life to which they aspired.

PMID:
18782654
[PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Of course it is important to note that what is touted as "spiritual experiences" these days can be anything from an LSD trip, to kundalini awakenings, etc. So the above sounds more like creating illusions and subjective experiences if anything.


From the same site above, there's an interview with the guy who supposedly released this info to the public. There's a lot of stuff he says that just don't make any sense :

Interview With Joey Lambardi About The Fundamentalism Vaccine (FunVax)
Posted on April 25, 2011 by funvax

The following is an interview with Whistle Blower Joey Lambardi. It was recorded over the phone at 1:32 pm April 23rd, 2011 and transcribed by volunteers at the FunVax blog.

(FunVax blog) What is your background?

(Joey Lambardi) Well, I grew up in New York. Always was into film, ever since I was a little kid. I lived in the same Neighborhood as Martin Scorsese, so I think that had a big influence on me – being Italian American and being into film. I can point out the house that Scorsese grew up in. Christmas Eve one year, I remember sitting in the living room with my mom and step dad and their friends watching Good Fellas. I begged my parents from that point on for a camcorder. I didn’t get one until my birthday two years later. There is something about film and Italians, I don’t know what it is, but we go together like cheese and honey. So, yeah, I started making these little videos with a Hi-8 camera and editing them on my parents VHS machine. Then things just progressed. When I graduated High School, I wasn’t interested in college or anything. So, I joined the military. I didn’t know they did video stuff in the military, but after talking with a recruiter I learned that they do. So I signed up for a unit called Combat Camera. And I did that for six years, well about six years, a little shy of six years. That changed, you know, when I got leaked this information about FunVax.

(FB) And how exactly did that happen, how did you get that information?

(JL) I was on this assignment that seemed really bizarre. It just didn’t make any sense, you know? I was told that I was to document a war hero’s return home from Iraq. That was it – simple right? But the normal chain of command was altered. In this case, the first time in six years, I was to report to a CIA named agent Fleming as well as Army Col. Harris who from what I gather was a big wig intel guy at the pentagon. So, that was weird, especially for such a boring sounding assignment. It got weirder when I was mailed a package that contained a DVD and a stack of documents. There were a lot of things blacked out, but it was all stuff related to FunVax. The package was address to me, it was sent to the house where I where I was, you know, videotaping, the family that I was documenting.

(FB) Can you tell us about the videos?

(JL) Sure. There were two videos actually. One looked like a homemade amateur video that was of a party in a common area, like a lunch room or something. There’s a cake that says “FunVax is a Go” on it and there was a sign that said Congratulations FunVax. But that was all the funvax related information. It was just a normal party, the people were talking about normal things. The second video was a lot more informative. It was DoD footage from a lecture hall in the pentagon. The video was date stamped 4/13/05 so someone was holding onto this for awhile. I received it, the second week of February of this year. So, on it, it had one of the guys from the other video, the party video, giving a presentation. I just have an 8 minute clip from this presentation, but basically, this guy, he must be a scientist . This guy is giving a lecture about the brain and a gene called VMAT2 to a group of men in suits as well as various military uniforms. He talks about religion and was showing MRI brain scans. He said that the inhibition of VMAT2 could, over time, cause a persons brain to shift from a religious brain structure, they scientifically, you know they call it phenotype…but basically, you can change a religious brain to a non-religious brain structure. VMAT2 is apparently the scientific name for what people term the God Gene. At the end of the clip he says that he filed a proposal under the name FunVax to begin experimenting with the VMAT2 gene with the goal of creating a virus, like the flu virus, that will remove or replace this gene from people in the Middle East. Their goal of course was to create peace in the Middle East.

(FB) What about the files?

(JL) I have the original proposal from 2005. A quarter of it has been blacked out, but its easy to understand the point of it. It was a classified research proposal. The most important thing it has in it is this flow chart detailing the bench marks for the project. It started with putting a non-religious version of VMAT2 gene into bacteria – a process that is apparently called cloning. It went from there to tests in cell culture and then safety tests in mice then monkeys and then Gitmo detainees. Once at the detainee level, the project is turned over to clinical lab who tests the detainees using brain scans to see if their response to reading scripture was similar to a non-religious person. If the vaccine tested well in effectiveness and safety, then they planned on a small field test in Iraq and if it proves effective in the field, a wide spread inoculation would take place. I also have a series of reports up until 2009. These reports are, you know, reports about the progress of FunVax in this one particular lab. It’s like a DoD update I guess. I got about three of these. The last one compares different strain of the virus they made. There was hundreds of different versions, some appeared to be flops and from what I can tell, others were superstars. And that was where my trail went dead. I have no idea what happened after that, I mean, I have an idea you know, but I no evidence to prove it.

(FB) Who have you told about this?

(JL) I’m trying to spread the word, but at the moment I am AWOL, so it hasn’t been easy. With all eyes on Wikileaks, I’m cautious of even contacting them. So, I go through people I know personally, like you guys. And thank you for all the effort you’re putting into this. Its really great of you and I whole heartedly appreciate it. But I plan on releasing all the information on this site and others that are being created on June 1st. So, build as big of audience as possible and please if you’re reading this, tell others about it because freedom of choice is being stripped away from us little by little. Today it’s people in the Middle East, but what will stop the government from doing this to us, or altering another gene that they find antagonistic to their goals. We are at a cross roads here, you know? The government has the technology to genetically engineer people. They put whatever gene they want to mess with in a virus and infect whoever who ever they want. Yeah sure today it is creating peace in the Middle East , but what is next? Will it be us? Is this what warfare is going to turn into, mass inoculations that change people’s behavior? God forbid the American public stands up against this, they’ll probably release a virus for submissiveness and we’ll all fall in line like a bunch of sheep. Of course, you know, this might not make even the slightest dent on the American…um…state of mind, but I need to try. I need to do what I can and I am willing to risk my life for it. So, please, if you don’t want the government playing God, please, please, please spread the word and hopefully your effort will help save us all.

(FB) What prove do you have that FunVax was even released?

(JL) I don’t have any prove. All the information I have is at least two years old, half of it is over six years old. But that is what they were planning – a massive gene therapy experiment. And look at the Middle East now – Iraq has miraculously stabilized, The Iranian people stood up against the theocracy and now country after country in the Middle East is standing up for democracy. They want to throw out the old rulers, the rules that use religion as a source of power. People in the Middle East are standing up for democracy. Is this a coincidence? No. This is part of their plan. FunVax was systematically released in every country that they wanted to see changed.

(FB) Then why haven’t we seen peace in Afghanistan?

(JL) I’ve given this a lot of thought, but it really doesn’t need much thought. The US wants to have a strong, active military presence in the Middle East you know? There’s a lot of dramatic changes happening right now. At this very moment. As we see in Libya, these changes require the need for military action. The political pressure was too strong against a long term strategy in Iraq you know? You remember, I’m sure in 2008. But Afghanistan is another story. The US presence in Afghanistan is not about Afghanistan or Al Qaeda, it’s about stabilizing the whole region. It borders the biggest Middle East threat, Iran, as well as the most dangerous nuclear power – Pakistan. By having a strong fighting presence that borders these two countries, the US has pretty much neutralized these two threats. Once democracy takes…becomes…takes a foothold in the Middle East, then we’ll see US bases in a lot of these countries and we’ll see agreements with newly elected leaders that are US friendly. Once these agreements are in place, we’ll see a scale down in Afghanistan, you know, but not until then. For sure, not until then.

(FB) All this sounds like a good thing. Good for the US, good for the Middle East and good for the world. :O Is this not the case?

(JL) Yeah, it sounds great. People in the Middle East are throwing out dictators and are turning towards democracy. Who could be against that? It is wonderful and it is going to create a better, stronger and more stable Middle East. But the end does not justify the means. What will stop the government from doing this to its own people? Religion is an important part of the human race, it benefits society in countless ways. Every society has religion, there’s not one that doesn’t. It builds community, it creates structure, it gives people hope, it creates a system of morals that are good to live by. Take away religion from people and who know what the long terms consequences are, you know? And just as important, like I said before, this is probably, most likely, the first of its kind, but now that it has been a success, what’s going to stop them from using this technology in the future? Freedom of choice is being stripped away in 21st century style and if we continue down this path, there will be very bad and unfortunate consequences, there’s no doubt about it. And that’s why I contacted you guys, to help with this, help spread the word and help our government from going down that very dangerous and very…um…very hazardous path.

(FB) So, what happens next?

(JL) As you know, I plan on giving you guys copies of what I have. We need to do this from the ground up, purely grass roots style, you know? Use facebook, twitter, everything at our disposal to get the word out. Next week, the first FunVax protest will occur in Washington DC. Then June 1st, I’ll send you copies of the video and pdf’s of the proposal. Hopefully people will be listening and hopefully they’ll tell someone and that person will tell someone else and soon the government will shut down FunVax and stop using genetic engineering to fortify its foreign policy.

I don't know if this guy actually received this info and he is putting his own interpretation on what it means, or it's just a hoax fear mongering thing, or covering up for more horrible things in the making.... I am mostly about the whole thing.

mod note: fixed quotes

 

[WhiteBear]

they’ll probably release a virus for submissiveness and we’ll all fall in line like a bunch of sheep.

They don't need a vaccine for that. And as far as a vaccination to eradicate fundamentalism...that's not in the PTB's agenda, as evidenced by the growing swell of fundamentalism in the US populace and leadership. More likely, it's for -creating- fundamentalists, if it does anything at all. Sure would make it a lot easier to embrace the "space brothers".

 

[HiThere]

Alleged video from the Pentagon in 2005

The video shows a young man presenting a project for vaccinating the population against religious fundamentalism, and is said to be from 2005.

_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MuXgpl2Sxg&feature=player_embedded

 

[anart]

Re: Alleged video from the Pentagon in 2005

The video shows a young man presenting a project for vaccinating the population against religious fundamentalism, and is said to be from 2005.

_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MuXgpl2Sxg&feature=player_embedded

That's already been discussed on the forum. I merged the topics.

 

[HiThere]

Yes I see it has, thank you for merging. :)

 

[Metro]

It's a hoax

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qo3hu_PH_n4&feature=youtu.be

Here's a more in depth analysis.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZCoj33wOkA&feature=related