I write this because I don't quite know what I'm doing is right or not and my brother has told me I can't do this without a group and that the SOTT forum would be a great place to ask my questions.
I'm a person, as I have probably said before, that likes to meet people and let them meet eachother (if they are interested) and so they can learn from eachother.
For example there is this man, who I recently have met and is interested in these things (aliens, ufo's and such). In a conversation, we both had different opinions. Let me tell you that he is a person that wants all the answers immediately. I said to him, that you can't just sit there and do nothing, you should really do something if you want to achieve something! Instead of being active in forums where people only ''think'' and argue and do nothing else! It also felt like I was talking to many I's of him, this moment he says he disagrees with me, and the other moment, he says he agrees, on the same thing. Not saying I don't have the many I's Gurdjieff talks about, I have them and I try to control them. But I don't know what I'm doing is right! He said to me, that there is just too much reading material and it is very overeacting, ''the truth will come'' he said. He said ''To be honest, I don't want to read anything, only because of one thing which is even more important than knowing all those things: Would you still be living? It's just too much''.
And from writing this, I think the mistake I made was, having the thought of hoping that he might be listening and actually start reading. But this is also quite selfish of me. The conversation was very tiring for me aswell, 'cause he kept going and I kept going.
Yesterday I showed the conversation to my brother and he said, that I shouldn't have written these things to him. He showed me this quote by Gurdjieff:
Gurdjieff:
''If a man in spite of this tries to transmit what he hears in groups to his friends he will very quickly be convinced that attempts in this direction give entirely unexpected and undesirable results. Either people begin to argue with him and without wanting to listen to him expect him to listen to their theories, or they misinterpret everything he tells them, attach an entirely different meaning to everything they hear from him. In seeing this and understanding the uselessness of such attempts a man begins to see one aspect of this restriction."The other and no less important side consists in the fact that it is very difficult for a man to keep silent about things that interest him. He would like to speak about them to everyone with whom he is accustomed to share his thoughts, as he calls it. This is the most mechanical of all desires and in this case silence is the most difficult abstinence of all. But if a man understands this or, at least, if he follows this rule, it will constitute for him the best exercise possible for self-remembering and for the development of will. Only a man who can be silent when it is necessary can be master of himself.''
"But for many people it is very difficult to reconcile themselves to the thought that one of their chief characteristics consists in undue talkativeness, especially for people who are accustomed to regard themselves as serious or sound persons, or for those who regard themselves as silent persons who are fond of solitude and reflection. And for this reason this demand is especially important. In remembering about this and in carrying it out, a man begins to see sides of himself which he never noticed before.''
What Gurdjieff says here, was exactly what I was seeing, from his side and from my side. But now I'm wondering when to be quiet? I have this dutch forum going on, where I translate material from the sessions and from the glossary.
Is this wrong of me? Simply because they maybe can understand it differently than what it actually means? From what G. said ''or they misinterpret everything he tells them, attach an entirely different meaning to everything they hear from him''.
Two other persons that I have met are now reading the Wave, one of them said, that when she reads it she can feel somekind of ''wave'' going on inside her and that she recognizes many things, like those children that actually feed off of their emotions. The other said she was reading the wave with her mouth open for two hours. So I guess what I'm trying, to advice people this material to them, isn't always wrong. But I am still wondering about this forum of mine. Could I be a unit to them?
For myself, I am reading the Wave and am reading In search of the miraculous.
I'm a person, as I have probably said before, that likes to meet people and let them meet eachother (if they are interested) and so they can learn from eachother.
For example there is this man, who I recently have met and is interested in these things (aliens, ufo's and such). In a conversation, we both had different opinions. Let me tell you that he is a person that wants all the answers immediately. I said to him, that you can't just sit there and do nothing, you should really do something if you want to achieve something! Instead of being active in forums where people only ''think'' and argue and do nothing else! It also felt like I was talking to many I's of him, this moment he says he disagrees with me, and the other moment, he says he agrees, on the same thing. Not saying I don't have the many I's Gurdjieff talks about, I have them and I try to control them. But I don't know what I'm doing is right! He said to me, that there is just too much reading material and it is very overeacting, ''the truth will come'' he said. He said ''To be honest, I don't want to read anything, only because of one thing which is even more important than knowing all those things: Would you still be living? It's just too much''.
And from writing this, I think the mistake I made was, having the thought of hoping that he might be listening and actually start reading. But this is also quite selfish of me. The conversation was very tiring for me aswell, 'cause he kept going and I kept going.
Yesterday I showed the conversation to my brother and he said, that I shouldn't have written these things to him. He showed me this quote by Gurdjieff:
Gurdjieff:
''If a man in spite of this tries to transmit what he hears in groups to his friends he will very quickly be convinced that attempts in this direction give entirely unexpected and undesirable results. Either people begin to argue with him and without wanting to listen to him expect him to listen to their theories, or they misinterpret everything he tells them, attach an entirely different meaning to everything they hear from him. In seeing this and understanding the uselessness of such attempts a man begins to see one aspect of this restriction."The other and no less important side consists in the fact that it is very difficult for a man to keep silent about things that interest him. He would like to speak about them to everyone with whom he is accustomed to share his thoughts, as he calls it. This is the most mechanical of all desires and in this case silence is the most difficult abstinence of all. But if a man understands this or, at least, if he follows this rule, it will constitute for him the best exercise possible for self-remembering and for the development of will. Only a man who can be silent when it is necessary can be master of himself.''
"But for many people it is very difficult to reconcile themselves to the thought that one of their chief characteristics consists in undue talkativeness, especially for people who are accustomed to regard themselves as serious or sound persons, or for those who regard themselves as silent persons who are fond of solitude and reflection. And for this reason this demand is especially important. In remembering about this and in carrying it out, a man begins to see sides of himself which he never noticed before.''
What Gurdjieff says here, was exactly what I was seeing, from his side and from my side. But now I'm wondering when to be quiet? I have this dutch forum going on, where I translate material from the sessions and from the glossary.
Is this wrong of me? Simply because they maybe can understand it differently than what it actually means? From what G. said ''or they misinterpret everything he tells them, attach an entirely different meaning to everything they hear from him''.
Two other persons that I have met are now reading the Wave, one of them said, that when she reads it she can feel somekind of ''wave'' going on inside her and that she recognizes many things, like those children that actually feed off of their emotions. The other said she was reading the wave with her mouth open for two hours. So I guess what I'm trying, to advice people this material to them, isn't always wrong. But I am still wondering about this forum of mine. Could I be a unit to them?
For myself, I am reading the Wave and am reading In search of the miraculous.