Are there people biologically suited for veganism and is that ideal for them?

[Andrey]

If people’s genetics/blood type/metabolism allow them to be vegans without ill health consequences, then wouldn't it be better for them to do that? If only for the sake of not exploiting other life forms? I currently don't have the time to read through this forum's "diet and health" section, but plan to read in the future. I just wanted to throw this question out there meanwhile.

If there is something fundamental I am missing here, please let me know. Thanks.

 

[Keyhole]

If people’s genetics/blood type/metabolism allow them to be vegans without ill health consequences, then wouldn't it be better for them to do that? If only for the sake of not exploiting other life forms? I currently don't have the time to read through this forum's "diet and health" section, but plan to read in the future. I just wanted to throw this question out there meanwhile.

If there is something fundamental I am missing here, please let me know. Thanks.

It is possible that some people (seemingly a very small minority) cope/survive on a vegan diet. However, for the vast majority of vegans, a diet containing zero animal foods is not sufficient for maintaining health long-term.

Furthermore, the idea that veganism is "not exploiting other life forms" is a myth. In fact, veganism is inherently destructive and contributes to the unnecessary suffering and slaughter of many more life forms than meat eating does. Not only are millions of small critters, wildlife, and entire ecosystems destroyed because of monocrop agriculture(which veganism is 100% reliant on), but humans also suffer the consequences through developing chronic nutrient deficiencies and plant toxicity.

On the other hand, one cow could provide a human with approximately 250kg of meat. That means in one entire year, I would only kill/eat 1.3 cows.

Whilst there is a lot of variety in traditional human diets, and individual needs/requirements... there is one primary template which appears to work for most people, and it is also likely the kind of diet which our physiology was designed to process. That is a diet where most (or at least a lot) of calories come from meat, fish, and other animal foods.

 

[Chu]

I recommend that you read at least this thread if nothing else: The Vegetarian Myth

I have yet to see a vegetarian who is healthy in the long-run, but why not? The problem would still probably be not getting proper nourishment for their brain (which also means buying into the lies regarding vegetarianism itself, why it's better morally, ecologically, and all that!). But if that type of existence suits some...

 

[Andrey]

Thanks Chu, I will read through the thread as soon as I can. So we get everything we need from animal foods? What about all things vegetables provide us? Don't our bodies need those nutrients? If all this is answered in that thread, then just ignore this post!

 

[Kay Kim]

Session Date: April 4th 2015

(L) Okay, we have an individual who wrote:

"Since more than eight months ago I am in the hands of doctors who cannot detect what is my problem. Personally I think it may be something like inflammation in the bowel, such as Crohn's disease. Interestingly, these discomforts have started when I really started to follow a ketogenic diet, and as you have reported, can lead to changes in DNA... Therefore, I wonder if I experienced a DNA that has become a problem due to "the animal ancestor", which does not let me adapt to the diet? [Neanderthals suffered from psoriasis and Crohn's disease, says study]
Could you ask to the C's for a simple diagnostic to do something about it?"

(L) Is there something that you can say to this individual?

A: For many, the transition in diet is either not possible due to epigenetic factors, or must be undertaken very, very slowly. For some, the requirements for carbohydrates is higher. They need to fulfill this need as safely as possible. In this case, the individual has intuited the relationship and should do some experimental adjustments adding root type vegetables and some greens and berries.

Q: (L) What you're saying, I think, is that for some people, transitioning to functioning on ketones is much more difficult for a variety of reasons?

A: Yes

Q: (L) So, the ketogenic diet is not ultimately desirable for everyone?

A: No

Q: (Galatea) But then that also leads to the question about how being on a ketogenic diet helps you evolve and raise your FRV, and make you super-smart and strong?

(Chu) The path to transformation and all that...

(L) Are you saying that the people who can't do the ketogenic diet that they...

(Galatea) They can't evolve, or they can do it another way?

A: It is helpful to evolving and FRV for those who require it. For some, it is required that they follow an adjacent plan. There is a great range of individual types. As you may have noticed, the ketogenic path is very difficult and a challenge even for the people it is right for. Some others have a bit more leeway and less struggle. And in answer to your next question, indeed there is something like karma involved.

Q: (L) So are you suggesting that those of us who need the ketogenic diet have karma to pay off? That we're being tortured? [laughter] We were gluttons in past lives or something?

A: Close enough! But aren't you glad that a path is available?

Q: (L) Well, that leads to the question: You also once said that the development of the soul is married to the genetics. Is there something involved with that in this?

A: Yes

Q: (L) So... I mean, I'm just trying to get myself out of the hole here.

(Pierre) If in past lives, say you were addicted to carbs. So, in a past live that's your soul. Now you incarnated in a new body, and there will be a transitioning program where you can go from there to somewhere else. Or perhaps your soul resonated to a different profile in the previous life and you followed the wrong path and now have to compensate. And now, after 5D review, it will resonate with this DNA profile...

(Perceval) I think their previous comment was that souls marries to genetics if present. So, what you're thinking of is that for the soul to absolve itself or remove this karmic debt, that it picked a body with a specific set of genetics that required...

(L) That enables you to do that. Or to fulfill a specific mission?

(Perceval) Yeah.

(L) Is that kinda getting close?

A: Yes

Every day I eats meat, brown rice, and some vegetables. But when I move out from my son’s house on this winter, I will experiment to see Ketogenic diet is OK for me or not.

 

[Josi]

Clear evidence of malnutrition with a vegan diet.

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[jhonny]

I currently don't have the time to read through this forum's "diet and health" section, but plan to read in the future.

You also may listen to this shows on SOTT radio network:

The Health & Wellness Show: The Vegan Putsch - They're Coming For Your Meat!

In this special video edition of the Health and Wellness Show, we talk about the vegan putsch, dig in to its origins and deconstruct the faulty premises on which it's based. Why has practically every mainstream media outlet recently ramped up its...

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The Health & Wellness Show: The Miraculous Carnivore Diet: Interview with Phil Escott

So what's the deal with the carnivore diet? Many high-profile individuals have been talking about dropping everything but meat and fat from their diets and report miraculous healing benefits. Autoimmune conditions, diabetes, depression,...

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The Health & Wellness Show: Broccoli for Brains: Do you have to be mental to be a vegan?

Veganism, the strict practice of abstaining from the consumption and use of animal products, is on the rise. Reportedly, there are about 1.6 million vegans in the United States. The trendiness of being vegan dwarfs their actual representation in...

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The Health & Wellness Show: The Devil's in the Details: Diet Dogma and Fine-Tuning Your Own

High carb, low fat, ketogenic, Whole 30 and paleo diets... research exists supporting (and refuting) them all. Some people thrive on a high amount of carbs, some decline. Some people soar on a ketogenic diet while others crash and burn. As much...

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The Health & Wellness Show: Amazing Health Journey: Interview with Mikhaila Peterson

On this episode of the Health and Wellness Show, we interview Mikhaila Peterson, daughter of Psychologist Jordan Peterson, about her truly amazing recovery from serious health issues. Since she was a very young girl, Mikhaila was plagued by...

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[Thor]

Session Date: April 4th 2015
(L) Are you saying that the people who can't do the ketogenic diet that they...

(Galatea) They can't evolve, or they can do it another way?

A: It is helpful to evolving and FRV for those who require it. For some, it is required that they follow an adjacent plan. There is a great range of individual types. As you may have noticed, the ketogenic path is very difficult and a challenge even for the people it is right for. Some others have a bit more leeway and less struggle. And in answer to your next question, indeed there is something like karma involved.

Q: (L) So are you suggesting that those of us who need the ketogenic diet have karma to pay off? That we're being tortured? [laughter] We were gluttons in past lives or something?

A: Close enough! But aren't you glad that a path is available?

When I read the Cs answer, it seems to me that they're saying that some people need the ketogenic diet due to karmic reasons. For other people the ketogenic diet is not necessary to evolve or raise FRV. In addition to this, the Cs say that the ketogenic diet is not desirable for everyone.

So it then becomes a question of determining what category you fall in. Not following the ketogenic diet if you need it is detrimental. Following the ketogenic diet if you're not suitable for it is detrimental.

The session transcript does not answer the question of whether veganism is considered and "adjacent plan".

 

[Jenn]

To add to Jhonny's list you may also find these articles helpful:

• Vegan to carnivore: One mom's story of how switching to an all-meat diet saved her life
• So you're a vegan ... but are you, really?
• Mara Kahn: "Vegan betrayal: Love, lies, and hunger in a plants-only world"
• The Vegan Brain
• An open letter to vegans of the world
• Danish doctor warns: Vegan food may lead to mental retardation
• A comprehensive list of reasons why vegan and vegetarian diets easily ruin your body
• 170 scientific studies confirm the dangers of soy

And on the dangers of oxalates which are plentiful in the vegan diet:

• Little known facts about oxalates and their poisonous effects

If you do a quick search on youtube, there are droves of ex-vegans reporting their awful experiences with the vegan diet. Debilitating symptoms range from joint pain, loss of menstrual cycle, hormonal disruption, hair loss, constipation/ gut issues, ulcerative colitis, kidney and gallstones, fatigue etc. the list goes on and on. While it may be "ok" for some, and they survive, it seems that they are the exception rather than the rule.

 

[bianca etezete]

Clear evidence of malnutrition with a vegan diet.

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Josi, yes these pics of vegans are disturbing. The compiler though is to be taken with a pinch of salt... just a caveat.

 

[Risen]

Yes the compilers of the video made sure to find the most unhealthy vegans he could find. I am not an advocate of veganism but I do know several people who have been vegan for over 5 years who are very healthy with thick hair, good teeth and a normal BMI but they were like that before they were vegans too. I also know a vegan who almost died of malnutrition and started eating meat again. We don't know what those particular people were like before they became vegan. They may have been extremely unhealthy already and think veganism will cure them. Also many vegans practically live off processed vegan junk food.

 

[genero81]

Also many vegans practically live off processed vegan junk food.

Yes, very important. Practically any diet that has a person eliminate sugar and processed foods from their diet is going to yield positive results. At least for a while.

 

[Justin]

I’ve heard Dr. Jack Kruse talk about the vegan diet and he said it may be OK for people whose genetics come from near the equator, who are also living near the equator. That’s a very small percentage of the world’s population.

 

[thorbiorn]

I’ve heard Dr. Jack Kruse talk about the vegan diet and he said it may be OK for people whose genetics come from near the equator, who are also living near the equator. That’s a very small percentage of the world’s population.

Instead of the equator, one could take the tropical climatic zone.
First is a geographic map, that shows the area of the equator, conceived and imagined as a horizontal line in the middle of the map, crossing northern Brazil, central Africa, and south of India.

A map of the distribution of the world population:

A map of climate zones from UNDP

It is a guess how many people live in the tropical zone as defined above, but it could be four billion plus minus. If the tropical area is understood to be narrower, then fewer people.

The Wiki for Vegetarianism by Country gives few indications, as many countries are missing, though India, Brazil, and Mexico score higher. How many people in the Northern Europe would be vegetarians if there was no infrastructure to provide them with green groceries from warmer countries, or perhaps energy to heat local greenhouses during winter?

Maps for the consumption of fish and meat:


Most people who are vegetarians probably live in the tropics, considering the situation in India where religion traditions has promoted it and perhaps where the genetics have been most altered to adopt. But among the vegetarians living in poor areas, how many are vegetarians by necessity and not by conviction?

 

[Ancient Eyes]

For me I find the blood type diet to work. I am an A blood type which I thrive on more fruits,vegetables, nuts and certain grains. Pork, beef, dairy and wheat all have negative effects for A's. No meat is in the beneficial category! But chicken, turkey and some seafood are neutral not having a detrimental or beneficially factor. So I feel best when I avoid the detrimental foods listed which includes certain grains, fruits and vegetables. I don't know how the diet was developed. I just know it works for me when I stick to it.