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Did not see a started thread on this show, so started one; and thanks, it was a good show.

Just at the end of the show, whereby the subject of Israel came up, just wanted to say that I appreciated the views - all open to unknown changes.

One thing I was thinking on was behind whatever happens in Israel internally or via the U.S., is that there is still this fundamentalist group in the U.S., a group that on mass believes with vocal desperation, and or works to manufacture religious prophesy over-there, and Israel is of course pivotal to their prophetic beliefs. This group will not give up their rapturous endgame so easily, and it would be interesting if Israel itself would or could shut them down - give them less opportunity (cause Israel really must) to meddle in Middle East affairs should shifting alliances with Russia, for instance, strengthen. "Cause they have to" might also mean accepting other opportunities that displace the massive gravy-train of funding from the U.S. The other side of this is that it might be a moot point if the U.S. economy collapses - no funding anyway and people's main focus would move to one of survival, not prophesy. However, rapturous belief is a powerful weapon and it will not abate easily, osit.

Anyway, just pointing out this aspect of prophesy that still operates strongly in the background, even though at the top, among the U.S. elite manipulators, the belief in prophesy is perhaps used as a focus redirect so that they can get want they want - military/trade hegemony in the Middle East and control of the gateways to Asia, which seems to be slipping.
 
Yeah, Israel is a complicated issue because there are kind of 'two Israels'. There's the state in the Middle East that must at least pretend to be a normal state, with budgets to balance, departments to run, and voters to placate.

Then there's the 'super-secret-elite-Israel' of internationalists who merge at the top of the global power structure with the Anglo-American elite. Those guys are going down with the ship, one way or another.

But the Israeli state might survive to become something else; still 'the Jewish state', but a Jewish state that is forced to rely on mutual cooperation with its neighbors rather than the purely predatorial policies of Wall Street bankers.

Regarding the Yinon plan and whether the Americans are just now reading from it to craft a Kurdish state...

Another perspective on this is that 'the Yinon plan' is one of a series of overlapping 'plans' (really, high-level strategic policy papers) that were written from the 1980s through to the initial 'NeoCon' policy papers after the fall of the USSR, to 'PNAC' in the late 1990s, then 'the Foreign Policy Initiative', 'American Enterprise Institute', etc, and now the 'Center for a New American Security'.

Check out who is in or writing for these think-tanks; they're all basically the same faces!

The effort to contain Russia by tripling the US defense budget in the 1990s, ringing it with bases and expanding NATO... is 'the Yinon plan'. 9/11 is 'the Yinon plan'. The list of 7 Middle Eastern countries to invade, which a Pentagon official showed to Wesley Clark after 9/11, is 'the Yinon plan'. The 'war on terror' and the 'reshaping of the Middle East' under Dubya Bush is 'the Yinon plan'. The 'Arab Spring' is 'the Yinon plan' (well, not all of it - the phony revolutions in Libya and Syria were though), etc.

In other words, it's an open-ended strategy-in-progress (which is failing miserably, and causing mass misery), where US, British and Israeli interests have (hitherto) been so in synch that they may as well be one country. We'll see for how long more that state of affairs lasts.
 
Niall said:
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Regarding the Yinon plan and whether the Americans are just now reading from it to craft a Kurdish state...

Another perspective on this is that 'the Yinon plan' is one of a series of overlapping 'plans' (really, high-level strategic policy papers) that were written from the 1980s through to the initial 'NeoCon' policy papers after the fall of the USSR, to 'PNAC' in the late 1990s, then 'the Foreign Policy Initiative', 'American Enterprise Institute', etc, and now the 'Center for a New American Security'.

Check out who is in or writing for these think-tanks; they're all basically the same faces!

The effort to contain Russia by tripling the US defense budget in the 1990s, ringing it with bases and expanding NATO... is 'the Yinon plan'. 9/11 is 'the Yinon plan'. The list of 7 Middle Eastern countries to invade, which a Pentagon official showed to Wesley Clark after 9/11, is 'the Yinon plan'. The 'war on terror' and the 'reshaping of the Middle East' under Dubya Bush is 'the Yinon plan'. The 'Arab Spring' is 'the Yinon plan' (well, not all of it - the phony revolutions in Libya and Syria were though), etc.

In other words, it's an open-ended strategy-in-progress (which is failing miserably, and causing mass misery), where US, British and Israeli interests have (hitherto) been so in synch that they may as well be one country. We'll see for how long more that state of affairs lasts.


This is the first - that I have heard of "the Yinon Plan". As I was looking for more information, came across this article published August 20th.

Hillary Clinton’s Uncanny Fulfillment of Israel’s Yinon Plan for a Middle East Riven with Conflict
http://www.globalresearch.ca/hillary-clintons-uncanny-fulfillment-of-israels-yinon-plan-for-a-middle-east-riven-with-conflict/5541918

Wikileaks has released what may be the most underreported story of the year in a year full of them, Hillary Clinton’s uncanny fulfillment of Oded Yinon‘s plan for the Middle East according to Israel 30 years ago. This was summed up in Yinon’s “A Strategy for Israel in the Nineteen Eighties.” Yinon, an influential right-wing Israeli strategist, envisioned a Middle East riven with conflict between Arab tribes and religious denominations, unable to oppose Israeli ambitions for regional dominance. Yinon wrote:

Iraq, rich in oil on the one hand and internally torn on the other, is guaranteed as a candidate for Israel’s targets. Its dissolution is even more important for us than that of Syria. Iraq is stronger than Syria. In the short run it is Iraqi power which constitutes the greatest threat to Israel…Every kind of inter-Arab confrontation will assist us in the short run and will shorten the way to the more important aim of breaking up Iraq into denominations as in Syria and in Lebanon.

When former presidential candidate General Wes Clark shockingly proclaimed in 2011 that he had seen a memo emanating from the Bush defense department which revealed that the invasion of Iraq was only the beginning of a much more extensive program of “regime change” across the Middle East, one could not help but recall Yinon’s desire to provoke “inter-Arab confrontation.” Recalling a conversation with a Pentagon staffer before the invasion of Iraq, Clark told an audience:

I said, “Are we still going to war with Iraq?” And he said, “Oh, it’s worse than that.” He reached over on his desk. He picked up a piece of paper. And he said, “I just got this down from upstairs” — meaning the Secretary of Defense’s office — “today.” And he said, “This is a memo that describes how we’re going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran.”

In a recently released email from the Clinton Archives, which run from June 30, 2010 to August 12, 2014 while she was Secretary of State, Clinton wrote from the standpoint of not US interests, but Israeli. She said:

Bringing down Assad would not only be a massive boon to Israel’s security, it would also ease Israel’s understandable fear of losing its nuclear monopoly. Then, Israel and the United States might be able to develop a common view of when the Iranian program is so dangerous that military action could be warranted.

The unabashedly hawkish exchange, which seems to telegraph the intent to overcome obstacles to “common view” which would justify an attack on Iran, shows that Hillary is of a like mind with Yinon, who held that toppling stable Arab regimes and uncorking fratricidal civil wars, which may go on for decades, is in Israel’s interest.

With the world freshly shocked at an image seen in Syria and Libya every day, wounded children, it might help to remember the most exuberant advocate, as Secretary of State, for the military actions which unloosed the horrors seen today in these war zones. The photo of the boy is but one fairly tame example. The true carnage is unpublishable.

In a piece at Huffington Post, “Hillary Clinton and the Syrian Bloodbath,”Harvard’s Professor Jeffrey Sachs writes:

Clinton has been much more than a bit player in the Syrian crisis. Her diplomat Ambassador Christopher Stevens in Benghazi was killed as he was running a CIA operation to ship Libyan heavy weapons to Syria. Clinton herself took the lead role in organizing the so-called “Friends of Syria” to back the CIA-led insurgency.

Sachs is outraged at Hillary’s portraying herself as a “negotiator” who helped conclude ceasefires, writing:

This is the kind of compulsive misrepresentation that makes Clinton unfit to be President. Clinton’s role in Syria has been to help instigate and prolong the Syrian bloodbath, not to bring it to a close.

As for Libya, not only was Hillary the Obama administration’s most ardent supporter of military action to overthrow Gaddafi. It now comes out that the entire pretense for NATO intervention – stopping a massacre of civilians by Gaddafi, was pure fiction. Human Rights Watch, as reported in the Boston Globe:

released data on Misurata, the next-biggest city in Libya and scene of protracted fighting, revealing that Moammar Khadafy is not deliberately massacring civilians but rather narrowly targeting the armed rebels who fight against his government.

Charles Kubic at the National Interest writes in “Hillary’s Huge Libyan Disaster”:

Despite valid ceasefire opportunities to prevent “bloodshed in Benghazi” at the onset of hostilities, Secretary Clinton intervened and quickly pushed her foreign policy in support of a revolution led by the Muslim Brotherhood and known terrorists in the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group.

Ongoing casualties of the Libyan Civil War are now in the hundreds of thousands, with just the latest UN report documenting 49 this month of June.

These are the dogs of war unleashed, in no small part, by Hillary. A disturbing glimpse of the cavalier attitude held by Clinton toward the chaos fomented by her policies was given when, told the news of Gaddafi’s torture and death, quipped and laughed: “We came, we saw, he died.”

Combined with her boosterism for the Iraq War while a US senator from New York, which included repeating now thoroughly debunked Bush lies about weapons of mass destruction, and with Hillary already talking of escalation of the US military role in Syria, it behooves those frightened by Donald Trump to say how any candidate could be any scarier, from a been-there-done-that perspective, than Hillary. She has in the past threatened to “obliterate” Iran with nuclear weapons, and once cackled maniacally with James Baker III at the thought of finally attacking Iran.

Summing it up best, Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein once observed wryly:

Trump says very scary things—deporting immigrants, massive militarism and ignoring the climate. Hillary, unfortunately, has a track record for doing all of those things. (3 video's in article.)
 
The PTB have all sorts of plans, policy papers and so on, but reality gets in the way thankfully. Thank fo the show guys.

Article from 2011:

Preparing the Chessboard for the “Clash of Civilizations”: Divide, Conquer and Rule the “New Middle East”
http://www.globalresearch.ca/preparing-the-chessboard-for-the-clash-of-civilizations-divide-conquer-and-rule-the-new-middle-east/27786

Securing the Realm: Redefining the Arab World…

Although tweaked, the Yinon Plan is in motion and coming to life under the “Clean Break.” This is through a policy document written in 1996 by Richard Perle and the Study Group on “A New Israeli Strategy Toward 2000″ for Benjamin Netanyahu, the prime minister of Israel at the time. Perle was a former Pentagon under-secretary for Roland Reagan at the time and later a U.S. military advisor to George W. Bush Jr. and the White House. Aside from Perle, the rest of the members of the Study Group on “A New Israeli Strategy Toward 2000″ consisted of James Colbert (Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs), Charles Fairbanks Jr. (Johns Hopkins University), Douglas Feith (Feith and Zell Associates), Robert Loewenberg (Institute for Advanced Strategic and Political Studies), Jonathan Torop (The Washington Institute for Near East Policy), David Wurmser (Institute for Advanced Strategic and Political Studies), and Meyrav Wurmser (Johns Hopkins University). A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm is the full name of this 1996 Israel policy paper.

In many regards, the U.S. is executing the objectives outlined in Tel Aviv’s 1996 policy paper to secure the “realm.” Moreover, the term “realm” implies the strategic mentality of the authors. A realm refers to either the territory ruled by a monarch or the territories that fall under a monarch’s reign, but are not physically under their control and have vassals running them. In this context, the word realm is being used to denote the Middle East as the kingdom of Tel Aviv. The fact that Perle, someone who has essentially been a career Pentagon official, helped author the Israeli paper also makes one ask if the conceptualized sovereign of the realm is either Israel, the United States, or both?
 
angelburst29 said:
Hillary Clinton’s Uncanny Fulfillment of Israel’s Yinon Plan for a Middle East Riven with Conflict
http://www.globalresearch.ca/hillary-clintons-uncanny-fulfillment-of-israels-yinon-plan-for-a-middle-east-riven-with-conflict/5541918

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The unabashedly hawkish exchange, which seems to telegraph the intent to overcome obstacles to “common view” which would justify an attack on Iran, shows that Hillary is of a like mind with Yinon, who held that toppling stable Arab regimes and uncorking fratricidal civil wars, which may go on for decades, is in Israel’s interest.
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Yes, it indeed goes back decades, and it is in most of their interests; the Brits, French, Germans, American's (NATO command) etc., and as said, Israel. Labeling countries alone, however, seems shy of the mark of those few who are continually ensuring those interests; maybe like Niall sad above, "the internationalists who merge at the top". So creating abject poverty and "fratricidal civil war" is a tried and true method for all these goons-in-suits via their mercenaries, military hardware sales, cash loans, out right theft, bribes, drug running and control. Influencing leaders in their respective countries to let loose their police and intelligence apparatuses to indoctrinate a new crop of thugs in whatever state they target, also ensure their interests. In Arab states to South American countries, it seems the same - a sad damn reality.

Like Yinon's mental trajectories, they all seem to share from the same designs in "planning and plotting", as RFK once said in reference to LBJ. So it sure seems like one big mafiosi family who have world leaders so damned blackmailed into lying for them (Teflon Hilary is a very good example perhaps) and anyone else who gets in their way or who is not considered stable (i.e.not corruptible). What is really sad are the people that act out their parts via Lobaczewski's discussions and those of Altmeyer in his work, that support these madmen.

With this in mind (nothing really new here), I'm flabbergasted at the news more so everyday in the west, it's absolutely jaw dropping, as it is just one lie after the next, knocking down each group, state or leader ad nauseam, and the main stream media via their reporters, journalists and talking heads don't even bat an eye as they tell them. Anyway, of those interests, an Israeli like Yinon is just one of many across this BBM who share the same hidden rabid temperament, and those interests include what is in the open, the insatiable thirst by a rarefied group of corporations for the worlds gems and minerals, sales of military hardware and software, oil of course, food, chemicals, engineering etc. - for control of it all, and some of them just don't care, one way or the other, who gets slaughtered in the process, osit.
 
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