Bodily expressions/symptoms of destructive emotions/the predator's mind

[Finduilas495]

I was wondering about something today and wanted to ask if others had similar experiences:

Whenever I feel a destructive emotion like fear or anger (I'm not talking about the righteous anger that results from violation) or have a thought that I would ascribe to the predator's mind, I have a strong feeling of energy emanating from the occipital ridge. This energy seems to be radiating into my throat, towards my heart and down my back between the shoulders.

Whereas when I'm solving a problem or am doing something productive, I feel the energy emanating from my forehead.

Has anyone else perceived this or something similar?

Thanks in advance!

 

[beetlemaniac]

I was just wondering about the same thing, specifically the feeling of pressure on the temple. It seems to happen when I am trying to keep calm in a stressful environment, having a smoke after some stress, and when I do some pipe breathing before going to sleep. It's an interesting and I dare say 'spiritual' feeling.

I've been reading about the octaves of digestion of food in ISOTM, and maybe it has something to do with the digestion of impressions into higher vibrations? Wild guess, I know. But all those times which this phenomenon seems to happen is when I have done some self-remembering/observation in a state of negative emotion.

About the occipital ridge sensation, is it like a tensing of the muscles between the shoulders? I usually have that when I'm intensely identified with a certain activity and basically forgetting myself. Activities like trying to get a certain computer application to work and being very compulsive about the whole affair. I certainly have issues when it comes to computers. It's connected to a belief that I'm a supreme computer whiz and it would be impossible for me to not be able to fix some computer-related thing.

 

[Finduilas495]

About the occipital ridge sensation, is it like a tensing of the muscles between the shoulders? I usually have that when I'm intensely identified with a certain activity and basically forgetting myself. Activities like trying to get a certain computer application to work and being very compulsive about the whole affair. I certainly have issues when it comes to computers. It's connected to a belief that I'm a supreme computer whiz and it would be impossible for me to not be able to fix some computer-related thing.

It literally feels like a strong energy emanating from the occipital ridge and flowing into those other parts (throat, heart, back). I suppose the tensing of the muscles between the shoulders could be a consequence?

 

[beetlemaniac]

I'm not sure but this article seems to explain the way my shoulders get tense, I don't know if it would apply to you but check it out:

People often wonder why they have neck pain and shoulder pain. Here’s one explanation on neck pain and shoulder pain I hope will be useful. Imagine an animal in nature that senses danger. Instantly, its fight or flight response mechanism kicks in. It will bring its shoulders up to its ears to protect its neck. Very often the neck is the first place attacked because it is vulnerable and will incapacitate the victim. We are animals and our systems work in a similar way. For example, a car horn goes off and we’re startled-we flinch and raise our shoulders. Notice how our shoulders creep up when we are under stress. One of the muscles which connects the shoulder to the neck is the Levator Scapula muscle (which translates from Latin into “elevate the scapula”-the triangular bone of the shoulder). This muscle, along with the upper trapezius muscle are activated to elevate the shoulders. Activated meaning tensed in order to use. We are activating it constantly, even during lower levels of stress. Add to that a heavy bag or purse, a phone clutched between your shoulder and ear, and you will eventually create neck pain and shoulder pain.

So, what do we do? Knowledge is power. Now we know a possible reason for our neck pain and shoulder pain. Acknowledge it and say to yourself, “take my shoulders out of my ears, it won’t help me with this situation.” Then take a deep breath-which always helps. This will become second nature the more you do it and you will find that this new position feels so much better than the old one. The old one will feel strange the more you are conscious of your alignment. It will become a habit the more often you catch yourself raising your shoulders, but you have to be strict with yourself in the beginning by catching or correcting yourself in the wrong alignment-awareness is key.

Some good pipe-breathing and self-remembering always works in these situations :D

 

[Crystla24]

I thought that this might be useful, it is what came to mind when reading this thread :)

July 13, 2002

...Q: Do the "centers" as described by Mouravieff relate at all to the idea of "chakras?"

A: Quite closely. In an individual of the organic variety, the so-called higher chakras are "produced in effect" by stealing that energy from souled beings. This is what gives them the ability to emulate souled beings. The souled being is, in effect, perceiving a mirror of their own soul when they ascribe "soul qualities" to such beings.

Q: Is this a correspondence that starts at the basal chakra which relates to the sexual center as described by Mouravieff?

A: No. The "sexual center" corresponds to the solar plexus.

Lower moving center - basal chakra

Lower emotional - sexual chakra

Lower intellectual - throat chakra

Higher emotional - heart chakra

Higher intellectual - crown chakra

Q: (L) What about the so-called seventh, or "third eye" chakra?

A: Seer. The union of the heart and intellectual higher centers.

{Laura's note: This would "close the circuit" in the "shepherd's crook"

configuration.}

Q: (V) What about the many ideas about 12 chakras, and so forth, that are currently being taught by many new age sources? {Barbara Marciniak, for one.}

A: There are no such. This is a corrupted conceptualization based on the false belief that the activation of the physical endocrine system is the same as the creation and fusion of the magnetic center. The higher centers are only "seated" by being "magnetized." And this more or less "External" condition [location of the higher centers] has been perceived by some individuals and later joined to the perceived "seating" locations, in potential. This has led to "cross conceptualization" based on assumption!...

More information on the occipital ridge might be interesting. My stress settles in my occipital ridge the same as behind my shoulders but I have not noticed any energy "emanating" from there. Maybe the use of our lower centers causes us to bottle up those stresses instead of getting rid of them in a positive "out-flowing" manner. Idk, but I like the info on the tensing in these areas coming from instinctual reasons. Recently, I have been having my stress create knots behind my shoulder blades and even went as far as popping one of the ribs in my back away from my spine causing me to have pain breathing. Chiropractor fixed me up, but definately something I need to pay attention to under prolonged stress!

 

[whitecoast]

Just to mirror what others have said, the body mobilizes energy in situations of frustration as if there was a physical obstacle our threat you must deal with. This is just an evolutionary carry-over from our instinctive adaptations of having split second fight-or-flight responses. Since our modern common stresses are not physical in nature, all this energy ends up being maladaptive, and just sits in our system and causes unnecessary tension. This could help to explain why you are feeling physical sensations even when a thought is strictly mental out emotional.

As evolutionary neuroscientists say: your breath isn't shallow and your heart isn't racing because you're angry, you're angry because your breath is shallow and your heart is racing. This means that the lower emotional functions, those often co-opted (but not exclusively) by the predator mind, are evolutionary outgrowths of that instinctive and motor functioning.

One strategy that you could use to try to reduce this anger and tension would be EE. Vagal nerve simulation helps to settle the sympathetic nervous system, and dissolve some of that fight-or-flight energy. Biogenetic breathing helps to unlock and release some of that hidden or repressed energy, so that it may be expressed or dealt with or calmed down via pipe breathing. That, at least, has been my experience.

The goal of this overall is to get rid of some of that unnecessary combative energy. As said before, our modern stresses don't often need it, so it doesn't get released properly. This raises our chances of attributing some of that negative energy to incorrect sources, which is one of the primary sources of internal considering: mistaking an inner sensation as coming from outside you when it actually doesn't.

 

[cubbex]

Yes but from the parietal part, like a beaming... so maybe I got and idea about what it could be. I just remember that we have to take care of what we let in to our being.

 

[beetlemaniac]

As evolutionary neuroscientists say: your breath isn't shallow and your heart isn't racing because you're angry, you're angry because your breath is shallow and your heart is racing. This means that the lower emotional functions, those often co-opted (but not exclusively) by the predator mind, are evolutionary outgrowths of that instinctive and motor functioning.

So what we are doing is Identifying with our Sympathetic Nervous System as in the Polyvagal Theory. Which probably works like a negative feedback loop. Then we know we need to shift gears to the Ventral Vagal Complex, which is our most evolved and metabolically efficient part, where we can be socially engaged and truly human. External considering and pipe breathing are like the gearshifts that we do to get here.

One strategy that you could use to try to reduce this anger and tension would be EE. Vagal nerve simulation helps to settle the sympathetic nervous system, and dissolve some of that fight-or-flight energy. Biogenetic breathing helps to unlock and release some of that hidden or repressed energy, so that it may be expressed or dealt with or calmed down via pipe breathing. That, at least, has been my experience.

Smooth, uninhibited, unforced, and natural breathing, with a graceful exhalation is really good. I need to consciously practice the natural grace.

The goal of this overall is to get rid of some of that unnecessary combative energy. As said before, our modern stresses don't often need it, so it doesn't get released properly. This raises our chances of attributing some of that negative energy to incorrect sources, which is one of the primary sources of internal considering: mistaking an inner sensation as coming from outside you when it actually doesn't.

Really nice way to put it. Considering the discomforts in your internal environment as coming from sources outside. As you said, it's an accumulation of those unconscious muscular contractions, postures, and breathing patterns that seem to hold in the emotions. Like a creeping predator working slowly and insidiously, collecting it's delicious suffering. Then when a projection screen comes about, something or someone or some thought that we don't like, all that suffering comes to the forefront, and then I consider internally.

 

[doublea1535]

Whenever I feel a destructive emotion like fear or anger (I'm not talking about the righteous anger that results from violation) or have a thought that I would ascribe to the predator's mind, I have a strong feeling of energy emanating from the occipital ridge. This energy seems to be radiating into my throat, towards my heart and down my back between the shoulders.

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Has anyone else perceived this or something similar?

My entire occipital bone and the area surrounding it hurts constantly, and is a source of tension chain-reactions through the rest of my skull (scalp and facial muscles) and down into my shoulders. I don't feel anything at the ridge specifically, it feels like that whole bone and connecting tissue needs to be released. I can feel that the bone itself, and others in my skull, need to pop, crack, and shift in their placement relative to each other. I often tune the pain out during the day by clenching (a largely unconscious process) those muscles. Heavy stress causes it to flare up, but I have not noticed a connection between a particular emotion and the pain. It's pretty much there all the time waiting for me.

After lots of body work, I stopped clenching my jaw so much and discovered that my occipital is behind the pain - literally!

I attached a picture of the occipital bone and another that I think shows the ridge. It's referred to as 'Kerckring's Ossicle' in the diagram. There is not much info on the web about it, except this blurb:

An occasional independent ossification centre in the occipital bone; it appears in the posterior margin of the foramen magnum at about the sixteenth week of gestation.

The C's comments about the ridge made me think that everyone has one, but the blurb says it's occasional. Not sure if that means occasionally independent (whatever that means) or if it occasionally occurs and not everyone has one.

 

[truth seeker]

Perhaps this will be of help:

Q: (L) I don't like the implied hardness... I am not a hard person.
A: It is not hardness. The "feelings" you describe are related to ego, and by relation, pride, two things that were deliberately implanted into the 3rd density human psyche by the 4th density STS 309,000 years ago, as you measure time.
Refer to the transcripts with regard to DNA alteration and the occipital ridge. Believe it or not, you, Laura, will be rid of
these, eventually. It is not what some individuals respond to you that matters. It is sharing the information that counts.

So for those who feel a pressure during times of anger that isn't righteous indignation, it may be a reflection of one's wounded ego and/or pride that is reflected in the occipital ridge.

 

[Menna]

Really funny this thread appeared. I shiver sometimes for no reason and was thinking what is the underline cause is there one?

 

[Alma.Innovadora]

when food / wound of pride is related to the printing / trauma from a past event, repeating an experience years later, is a good opportunity to apply the self-remembering. He did not express negative emotions and face yourself more than the person that activates these programs to their higher limits, because a long time for this type of attack / lessons. Not respond the same way you did before, change your response to these situations.

Certainly this "energy" being harnessed into something productive, not to generate more tension to the already acquired, will help a bit, especially if it is a self-study.

There comes a point where internal heat that answer in the back, men, neck and want bite the leg to someone, will be less intense and may have a clearer mind to other possible events, no matter where you're subjected to public ridicule and even when your answers are objective and others look like you're the fool. Sometimes causes more laughter and curiosity to understand the situation.

I do not know if some have felt rather, more concentrated that really annoyed by the external activator of our internal state.

Like your approach change if only for a brief moment. For example, instead of going to cursing someone else and the world, asking for wanting to understand the situation and want to surpass yourself wanting to understand the reason for your mechanical response.

Feeling that really not is you, that is another part of you that automatically responds. Understand you, rather than the person you identify as the cause of your internal imbalance as well are molded to do what they think right and do no use trying anything you share with them, nothing!

 

[Sol Logos]

There's the idea that children are the best at processing emotions. Similarly like ducks you see fight in a pond and the immediate response after the event is shaking it off. We adults learn that emotions are wrong, so rather than express and experience then release we pretend, suppress and seethe. Of course acting out emotions at the expense of others is not only harmful to others but wont help us release the given emotion.

That's because we're placing the responsibility of that emotion in us on another person. So that emotion is dependent on another person changing their ways, which we have no control over. The alternative method is to be like a child. So if we're angry best there and then let ourselves express the anger. If we are afraid of judgement, feel the fear of being judged - for me it's difficult to do in the company of others although that's a fear right there but I often go off to a place where I can freely express away from others.

So back to the topic, I've found that a lot of my head aches are from suppressed anger and the remedy I've found most suitable is to un-supress it. Scream it out loud and punch a punching bag, get a baseball bat and bash up an old computer etc.

We often want to control emotions as we have learnt that emotions are wrong, so often it's considered useful to zen-out away from our own emotions, and that helps but consider the freedom of actually not having such emotions locked up inside of us in the first place... No meditation required. Consider too how remembering past childhood truama is always an emotional experience and often of grief with associated sobbing, crying it out. That's our own in built healing mechanism taking place that has been essentially stunted from very early on.

Consider this - do children meditate? Do you find children (who are relatively free of the direct influence of adult pathologies) free and happy in themselves?