Brain tumors, biopsy and treatment

Odysseus

Odysseus

Jedi
My mother who is 70 years old had a stroke ten days ago. She recovered rather well, she had initially some slight issues moving her right leg and arm, but after a couple of days she seems to be doing fine and is also released from hospital. The scans show she has two tumors in the brain, one bigger and a smaller one, almost half size of the big one. They are located in such a place that the doctors declared a surgical removal of them as impossible. A biopsy is scheduled for next week to extract some tissue sample from the brain to determine the nature of the tumors. I understand that it's a standard procedure but still bears some risks which can be fatal in the worst case.

I have had long talks with my father and was able to convince him that chemo-/radiotherapy are the worst options for treatment. I suggested him to go for Dr. Simoncini's protocol for brain cancer with sodium bicarbonate (_http://www.curenaturalicancro.com/protocol-brain-cancer.html) and even cancel the biopsy. Only issue will be, I guess, to find a doctor in Greece (or in Germany where I live) willing to apply this protocol. This is still a work in progress.

Maybe I can't hold back my horses, but how will the biopsy exactly affect the course of treatment onwards? Them tumors are benign, yay, problem solved? Them tumors are malign, time for some chemo-/radiotherapy and let's hope for the best (not)?

So the question is: Is it a good idea to call off the biopsy? And first try the sodium bicarbonate protocol (provided we find a doctor willing to do it)?
I'm also considering showing my mother just the basic EE breathing technique and let her do it in whatever position she likes and for as long as she feels comfortable with it. I read also about using vitamin B17 which is in apricot kernels to use against cancer, maybe use them as well. And of course supplementation, there are already some mentioned in Dr. Simoncini's protocol (potassium, magnesium, vitamin complex).

Any advice/hint is welcome and appreciated.
 
I'm very sorry to hear this news about your mother, Odysseus. I'm not sure why doing the biopsy could be fatal (perhaps because of the type). It's hard to say if the biopsy should be called off. Maybe some more information will help others give better feedback. Without the biopsy, is there any other reliable way of determining whether it is "benign" or malignant?

The apricot kernels have a pretty good track record (eating up to 15 per day if one has cancer and up to 7 a day for prevention). There's also oral sodium bicarbonate protocols to raise pH for two weeks (reaching a final pH over 8) in which environment cancer cells can't survive. There's also Essiak Tea herbs and many other alternative cancer treatments that have a very long record of being safe and effective. But you first have to determine if the tumor is cancerous. If not, maybe other treatments will eliminate the tumor.

My heart goes out to you and your family. :hug2: :hug2:
 
Sorry to hear this Odysseus. I hope whatever you try for treatment works. Sometimes it can be hard if our relatives aren't receptive to alternative health advice. Take care. :hug2:
 
Sorry to hear about your Mom's condition, Odysseus. A brain biopsy is mighty invasive and may deserve careful tradeoff. I guess one question would be: is the stroke related to the tumor(s)? If not, then maybe there is reason to concentrate first on the cause for stroke and treat the tumors with diet and pH as ST suggested. If it is desired to attack the tumors (as cancer), the "bazooka" approach of using cesium carbonate/chloride (under doctor's supervision) can be done. You might want to do some research on the use of cesium (you can start with Dr Sartori's papers). I do know of a case where a terminal tumor behind the eye was completely dissolved using cesium (not radioactive). One danger (besides electrolyte disturbance) is inflammation in the tumor tissue which can lead to seizure. So a good doc is absolutely required. Best to you and your Mom! :hug2:
 
LQB brings up good points. It would really be useful to know if the stroke was related to the brain tumors. Also non-radioactive cesium is another very effective protocol for raising pH, but as LQB mentioned it would be better to do under a qualified doctor's advice and supervision/guidance.

It is pretty well established that 70% of good health depends on diet. Supplements and everything else together are the other 30%. So taking care of the most prominent aspect -- diet -- would be the most important. But it should be done with enough knowledge of what you're doing and why. And to go slow and carefully as you eliminate grains and casein, reduce carbs and increase healthy fats (from healthy, properly fed animals).

I also think the EE can help your mom very much. So it would be worthwhile to see if she can learn and practice it. There are multiple benefits that would work in a synergistic way with diet, physically and emotionally (including detoxing).

One last thing, there's also a concentrated form of vitamin B17 (besides apricot kernels) call Leatrile that you may want to look into. This preparation may be more potent than eating 15 apricot kernels because it is a very concentrated form of B17. But I don't have any personal experience with the effects of it, I've just read about it. Whereas, I've known a couple of people personally (whom I've told) who have tried the apricot kernels with good results (especially if combined with sodium bicarbonate and other alternative treatments). So I agree with LQB that if it is cancerous, besides diet and EE as the foundation, a "shotgun/bazooka" approach of several safe/non-toxic, effective, and inexpensive alternative treatments will have the best results.

Best regards to your mom, you, and your whole family.
 
I don't know enough about these alleged cancer treatments to comment on therm. However, one does wonder what your mother's diet has been like for most/all of her life? If it has been high carb and low fat then she may not be an optimal candidate for trying an alternative therapy, particularly at her age. If she's doing a therapy on one side that is battling a condition that is possibly related on the other side, to dietary issues, and has not dealt with those dietary issues (lack of fat, too high carbs), it seems to me that it's like trying to bail out a sinking boat with a bucket full of holes. Then, there's the factor that, at her age, can dietary changes reverse anything? Sometimes, at advanced ages and in advanced conditions, they can just make things worse. It can take years to reverse damage that has taken years to accumulate, and in a crisis condition, it may not be possible.

I'm not trying to discourage you, I just want you to have a realistic perspective on what is or is not possible.

For me, if I were her age, I probably would also do the alternative therapy simply because the mainstream options do not have very good track records. I would think: "If the tumors are inoperable, why bother with a biopsy? Let me try this or that and enjoy what time I have left without being tortured."
 
Thank you all for your warm replies and your thoughts on this. :flowers:

I have had very similar thoughts, especially about the diet. I forgot to mention regarding dietary changes, that it is a tough one. It's the typical greek diet habits
with lots of meat and fat (whether it's grassfed is an issue also) on one side but even more of bread, pastries, sweets (usually with tons of sirup). My mother has an old fashioned thinking (and also thinking inferior of herself, because she didn't have any higher education) and will reply to almost anything with things like "I'm to old now", "What can I possibly learn, being illiterate".

SeekinTruth said:
There's also oral sodium bicarbonate protocols to raise pH for two weeks (reaching a final pH over 8) in which environment cancer cells can't survive.
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Yep, I'm aware of that. I keep it as a backup if we don't succeed to find a doctor to do the supervised intravenous variant. Thanks also for the hint about the concetrated vitamin B17 in form of Leatrile, I'll look into that.

Laura said:
I'm not trying to discourage you, I just want you to have a realistic perspective on what is or is not possible.

For me, if I were her age, I probably would also do the alternative therapy simply because the mainstream options do not have very good track records. I would think: "If the tumors are inoperable, why bother with a biopsy? Let me try this or that and enjoy what time I have left without being tortured."
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No worries, you don't discourage me. Those where exactly my thoughts. Why risk the biopsy since they cannot be operated?
I wanted also to avoid any chemo-/radiotherapies and just make the best possible out of it and try a few milder alternatives. I also think, that long-term it won't be of any lasting help if key dietary changes don't take place, but like you said it's most likely to late at this age to achieve a complete reversal.
 
Laura said:
"If the tumors are inoperable, why bother with a biopsy?
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Indeed. Doctors also use biopsies to find the "best" chemotherapy. So if chemotherapy is excluded there's not many reasons to proceed to an invasive and risky biopsy.

Anyhow, in general, for brain tumors, radiotherapy (i.e. ionizing, cancer inducing gamma rays :shock:) is favored over chemotherapy because of the blood brain barrier.

Also, keep in mind that even non cancerous tumors (meningiomes for example which is the most common tumor) are treated with radiotherapy.

So, the cancerous-VS non cancerous question is not so important finally. In both cases something is growing in the brain and if not stopped it will impair more and more motor and cognitive functions (because of the growing pressure).

At this point, I guess that the most important thing is your mother's position: is she willing to modify her diet? Implement an alternative therapy? Is she willing to learn about those topics? Not follow the doctors advises?
 
Odysseus, if by any chance, she would agree to change her diet, eliminating grains and all sweets (by tons of syrup, you probably mean baklava, khataifi, etc.?) would be a great start. Followed by dairy -- she probably eats lots of cheese, as well, right -- like feta, which if it's goat cheese may not be as bad as cow's, but still.

Also, from a preponderance of evidence, no treatment for cancer usually has a better chance of survival than chemo/radiation. Especially at her age, chemo/radiation is much more likely to kill her than letting the cancer (if it's in fact cancer) run its course -- besides having a much better quality of life. So I think a few alternative treatments would be the best course, if she's willing to try them.
 
Belibaste said:
Also, keep in mind that even non cancerous tumors (meningiomes for example which is the most common tumor) are treated with radiotherapy.
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Yeah, I was suspecting such a thing but wasn't sure and didn't bother investigating this possibility, since it doesn't change much, that is: non-cancerous tumor => radiotherapy treatment (according to mainstream medicine).

Belibaste said:
At this point, I guess that the most important thing is your mother's position: is she willing to modify her diet? Implement an alternative therapy? Is she willing to learn about those topics? Not follow the doctors advises?
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Regarding the diet hardly, but she might change her mind since my father has a rather open mind lately for dietary and alternative therapies topics and he has a good influence on her. I'm not holding these hopes up to high though.

SeekinTruth said:
Odysseus, if by any chance, she would agree to change her diet, eliminating grains and all sweets (by tons of syrup, you probably mean baklava, khataifi, etc.?) would be a great start. Followed by dairy -- she probably eats lots of cheese, as well, right -- like feta, which if it's goat cheese may not be as bad as cow's, but still.
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Yes, you got it ST, such are the traditional "goodies" of greek cuisine. See my reply in the previous section, it's very unlikely she'll change it.

SeekinTruth said:
Also, from a preponderance of evidence, no treatment for cancer usually has a better chance of survival than chemo/radiation. Especially at her age, chemo/radiation is much more likely to kill her than letting the cancer (if it's in fact cancer) run its course -- besides having a much better quality of life. So I think a few alternative treatments would be the best course, if she's willing to try them.
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Exactly my thoughts and my father seems to agree with me. It all comes down right know to spare her at least from the aggressive treatments and offer her the discussed alternatives and a better quality of life. If she would be completely on her own she'd blindly trust the doctors and follow the roadmap of traditional medicine.

Elisa, Loreta
thank you for your wishes :)
 
I have nothing to add to the suggestions you have been given, Odysseus, but I do agree fully with what Laura said.

I'd just like to say that I am sorry that your mother has to go through all of this, and you and your father as well.

:hug:
 
I am only now seeing this :-[

Odysseus, I agree with others that some dietary changes, supplements (even the basics like high amounts of vit C, fish oils, magnesium) and perhaps some pipe breathing might help your mother at this time improve the quality of her health.

What you wrote here stood out to me:

I forgot to mention regarding dietary changes, that it is a tough one. It's the typical greek diet habits
with lots of meat and fat (whether it's grassfed is an issue also) on one side but even more of bread, pastries, sweets (usually with tons of sirup). My mother has an old fashioned thinking (and also thinking inferior of herself, because she didn't have any higher education) and will reply to almost anything with things like "I'm to old now", "What can I possibly learn, being illiterate".
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Her reluctance to change her diet is typical also of women her age from the culture. I don't know if one way to help her see things from a different perspective is to talk about the diet changes not so much in relation to her current health conditions, but in relation to her longevity and ability to be around long enough to enjoy her children and grandchildren, etc. It might be the case with your mother, as with many many Greek mothers, that she won't do things for her, her own well-being, but she will do things if it is for others, her children's especially. And if your father is receptive to your input and supports her by trying it out himself, all the better.

My mother, after many years of scolding me for my diet, she is finally for over a year now gluten free because she saw the changes it did for me. And, even if it was the only thing she cut out, it made a difference for her, she even lost some belly mass she was carrying around and she feels much better with herself. So if you and your father support your mother to transition to a gluten free diet, some supplementation and maybe teach her some pipe breathing if she is willing, it might make her feel much better down the road. What does she have to lose? Only bread, pasta, blaklava and kateifi, which CAN be replaced with healthier sweet snacks.

My 2 cents, and my best wishes.
 
Thanks Alana, that's a good tip here which might work.
I'll discuss it with my father and try convince my mother to implement those few crucial dietary changes for the sake of her children and grandchildren.
 
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