Can we talk about Andrew Tate
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Jedi
I know next to nothing about him other than he's an ex MMA fighter that figured out how to build a following based on how social media algorithm's function. I watched a video "in defense of Andrew Tate" and it was kind of conspiratorial, stating that he was deplatformed for encouraging "toxic masculinity" or masculinity of any kind, really. I've never engaged with his content, so I know little else other than he wasn't violating any laws, just wrong-think.
He’s father was in the CIA, so red flag right away. He seems genuine and some of the stuff he says makes sense to me, not everything though…However deep down, I’m suspicious of him.
I became aware of him recently as he jumped on Jordan Peterson’ band wagon, then there were bogus charges for human trafficking and he continues to be MSM’s poster boy for toxic masculinity.
Definitely huge ego and even bigger sense of entitlement. Emphasis on material wealth as the only measure of success for a man.
In short nothing about him really worth discussing here IMHO.
Do you have a source for that?
Tate's story is that of a "poor boy who made it" by hard graft and an abusive childhood etc. He and his brother are fairly intelligent 'geezers' from England and, as with such types, they don't really have much in the way of morals, and will do almost anything for notoriety and money. He's definitely a cynic and social critique, but that's really just a function of his upbringing and the disillusionment it brought him. Imagine someone who, for various solid reasons, become disillusioned with society (there's lots of us here), but now imagine that your disillusionment drives you not to seek deeper truths per se, but primarily to "get back" at society (and your parents) by becoming as rich and self-serving as possible. That's Tate, IMO.
Nević Nenad
The Living Force
The fact that someone has to explain who is that to most of us, tells about his significance.
HyperdimensionalApe
Padawan Learner
He's a four times kickboxing world champion, lol. Although sometimes says some good stuff, he probably knows what he's doing, he found the right audience to target, mentioning red pill stuff, and 'matrix', how to be free of system and earn money easily. He has a discord channel called Hustlers University which has ways of learning certain online 'skills' (crypto,copywriting,...) which teach you to make money. For 49 USD a month. And there are apparently more than 30000 users on it if the info is correct, and do the math, he makes more than a million from it. There was a guy on Lex Fridman's podcast talking about why he thinks its a scam. And he talks about women being promiscuous and all that. But he got rich on having cam models or what's it called. When I was looking into that Hustlers university there's bunch of kids asking if you can get into it if you're not 18. Dude's just a loud dog, barking controversial stuff, not worth the attention he gets IMO.
The guy is actually on point with a lot of what he's said about the matrix, the control system, the forces working against men and masculinity specifically. And he's probably inspired plenty of people with his anti-establishment vibe, preaching basically to man up, work hard, stop being so soft and gooey, become a beast etc.
Ultimately though his idea of escaping the matrix is just gaining material wealth and social status. I'd put him very much in the "Looks&Money" camp of the manosphere preachers. He's upgraded to the fancy prison cell with gold bars and a waterbed, but has no conception of the life beyond the prison - he's just not wired that way.
Finally I think that, like Trump, he's a great case study in what someone with narcissistic personality disorder can accomplish by sheer force of self-belief. I am sometimes kind of inspired by those personalities, and maybe we could all do with having some of that kind of self-belief, but over all I don't resonate with his content. Plus, nobody gets that big unless they're doing the work of the matrix in at least some manner. There's a program for everyone.
Ultimately though his idea of escaping the matrix is just gaining material wealth and social status. I'd put him very much in the "Looks&Money" camp of the manosphere preachers. He's upgraded to the fancy prison cell with gold bars and a waterbed, but has no conception of the life beyond the prison - he's just not wired that way.
Finally I think that, like Trump, he's a great case study in what someone with narcissistic personality disorder can accomplish by sheer force of self-belief. I am sometimes kind of inspired by those personalities, and maybe we could all do with having some of that kind of self-belief, but over all I don't resonate with his content. Plus, nobody gets that big unless they're doing the work of the matrix in at least some manner. There's a program for everyone.
Just read that in Romania Andrew Tate's house was just SWATted and he and his brother have been temporarily detained by DIICOT, which is an anti-terror and -organized crime directorate. I think the below Romanian news outlet was the first to report it.
www.libertatea.ro
A google translation into English is below:
I wonder if there's anything to the accusation, or if he just got on the bad side of enough powerful people? Not knowing him well enough I couldn't say which is more likely.
Percheziții DIICOT la frații Andrew și Tristan Tate, acuzați că au sechestrat două fete. Cei doi au fost reținuți
Tristan și Andrew Tate, vizati de DIICOT. Tristan Tate este campion la kickboxing și a fost iubitul lui Bianca Drăgușanu
www.libertatea.ro
A google translation into English is below:
I wonder if there's anything to the accusation, or if he just got on the bad side of enough powerful people? Not knowing him well enough I couldn't say which is more likely.
Maybe both, though I also had no idea about this person prior to reading this thread.
Maybe capitalizing on the "control system" topics was his way to gain money/attention/power, while also maybe doing other things he was accused of. Maybe he did only some of the things he was accused of and some of them were fabricated. And maybe he did all of them. But since he wasn't part of the "elite" or didn't have enough established ties that could provide him with enough protection, he was thrown under the bus.
