Joe

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A report from Spain, oh my...
there are english subs

The guy crying is not a doctor, rather, he's gullible. So you can ignore him. The person speaking likely never worked in a hospital during one of the many flu pandemics in the past. So you can ignore her too. Interesting though as an example of how hysteria is contagious.
 

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I also wonder how it is possible to manage the suburbs, in these times of confinement: I find that we don't hear about it... at all. It's hard enough for cops to enforce law and order in normal times. I can't imagine the cops landing at the Mirail in Toulouse and fining the criminals because they don't have their certificates...
As you said, in some suburbs the law was not enforced before the COV hysteria and it's not enforced either during the COV hysteria. Here is the example of the "cité des 3000" (one of the numerous "no-go" zone around Paris) where cops and firemen were ambushed by 20 youngsters armed with iron bars and throwing rocks.

If you type "riot suburbs coronavirus" (in French) in a search engine, you will see that the above is not a isolated case.
 

biuta

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On the LCI board (French TV) the exchange is hardly believable. On the one hand, Professor Éric Chabrière, a member of the team of the now famous Didier Raoult. On the other, Dr. Roland Tubiana, an infectious disease specialist at the Pitié-Salpêtrière. "In Marseille, out of 701 patients treated, we only had one death," says Éric Chabrière. Dr. Tubiana does not hear it from this ear: "By scientific honesty, it is out of the question, dear colleague, to comment on figures that we have not seen. No one saw them. Thank you for putting your raw data (on the Internet), it will allow us to see if we agree with you or not. In agreement with what? The caregiver does not defend an opinion. The doctor who tends to position himself as a representative of the official scientific world does not detract from this: "At the moment, I don't know if chloroquine is effective." "It doesn't cost anything to try," the journalist replies. Ah, no, I don't want to. "We will look carefully at the data out of scientific honesty and respect for the work of colleagues." "In many people, this virus will heal on its own," concludes the Pitié infectious disease specialist. Note that the concept of "much" is not specified by the specialist. 80 % ? 99 % ? 65 % ? . The dialogue of the deaf continues with An Éric Chabrière who begins to lose patience: "We simply say that in Marseille, we die less than in the rest of France. That is all they say. » As if he hadn't heard anything, his opponent replied, "I repeat that the subject is serious, we need treatment." But not Didier Raoult's, seems to imply Dr. Tubiana. "You come in, you say we die less in Marseille, it's not a correct message, we have to analyze all this, we have to talk together."
A general practitioner present on the set comes to pass the second layer to this mind-boggling debate. Scandalized by the results stated by the scientist of Marseille, she threatens to leave the stage. "To say on a television set that we have found the treatment to be a miracle is totally irresponsible," she says, angry. "But he didn't say that!" the journalist replies. "Right now, I'm sorry, it's containment, containment, containment, and in the period when the containment is lifted, we're going to give ourselves the means to test everyone." Basically, when the virus has calmed down, we'll see how to fight it. Oh! as all this is absurd, crazy, they are so locked into their beliefs

"A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it.”

Max Planck
 

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This is suspicious and needs a check. Someone spotted it on Twitter apparently and sent me via SMS. Never heard of this 'Strategika' website.

This is an exclusive not yet published and unpublished information.

CBRN Defense Forces (Chemical, Biological, Radiological and Nuclear) of the Russian Federation in Italy confirmed the thesis of a biological attack, which is not due to SARS-Sxy-2 but at a different vector. The 19-Covid whose vector exists is a diversion masking the use of genuine bioarme.
 

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Don't know if I'm trying to self-soothe here, but I've been thinking a bit more about the escape of the virus at Fort Derrick in the U.S. Did they use soldiers or civilians in an experimental vaccine or was it just that the virus escaped. If soldiers were exposed how far has it spread through the army.? Could the army be another fear for the PTB or do we assume the Army is now a fully authoritarian follower set up or will some buck the trend.

Were the War Games in Europe cancelled for that reason-----to monitor the soldiers?

All US active service personnel are required to get all vaccines that the DOD decides they need. The problem with military families is that there's likely specific genetics involved there, not ALL of course, but most I'd say. So I wouldn't look to the military for some kind of mass awakening, although as you say, some make buck the trend, and that might be good enough.
 

Donjuan

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Despite Lombardy being the highest populated region in Italy, it shows always the higher stats/percentage on almost every type of medicament, vaccines and medical drugs. In this paper for example, Lombardy is cited to have the most anti-hepatitis C treatments, most of the new drugs or innovative ones, less old patented conventional drugs, and most 'equivalent' drugs, than the other Italian regions.

That's the price of having money and the 'best' technology in advance I'd say... Bodies full of stuff indeed.

This is not entirely correct in my opinion. Lombardia is the richest region of Italy. But the best health system are probably in Emilia-Romagna and Veneto region. Moreover in Lombardia there are the best national health centres so many people came from other region to receive treatment and are in follow up, increasing the pharmaceutical costs of the region.
Then the distribuition of drugs and costs are eterogeneous because every region can handle indipendently and is a very complex system/regulatons that may create difference in costs and numbers which don t reflect the reality.

In summary in Lombardia the people are full of drugs/stuff like the other regions..
The highest spread are distribuited in some area of Lombardia and not in most populated area like Milan. So there have to be other factors implicated.
Ad example in Bergamo (+100000 people) in the last 24 days are dead +350 people (over 200 accounted for coronavirus). Last year were dead only 98 people in the same time. This not happened in Milan ad example..
 

biuta

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Apparently some food looting has begun in Sicily because people can't afford to eat, Police are now guarding the shops, Italy's PM says he'll send food vouchers:

Snippets:
"Police with batons and guns have moved in to protect supermarkets on the Italian island of Sicily after reports of looting by locals who could no longer afford food.

According to La Repubblica daily, a group of locals ran out of one of Palermo's supermarkets without paying.

"We have no money to pay, we have to eat," someone reportedly shouted at the cashiers."

Tweet from AFP with full article:
I've seen a similar report in Romanian news today about an elderly lady asking for help as she was hungry and promising to pay back when her pension will be received.
I find it interesting how one by one, from the serenading on the balconies, to the messages that when this is over how everybody should vacation in their own land to support the local economy, to the stay home messages, and now to this, it looks like there is some kind of script that is being released step by step around the World. I know that monkey see / monkey do, just look at the way people take selfies, but still, there is too much uniformity and this looks too much like something scripted.
 

Joe

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Ad example in Bergamo (+100000 people) in the last 24 days are dead +350 people (over 200 accounted for coronavirus). Last year were dead only 98 people in the same time. This not happened in Milan ad example..

Donjuan, have you ever worked in a hospital during a flu epidemic? Are you aware that, according to official Italian government statistics, about 250 people died every day in Italy from complications associated with the flu, last winter? Over a period of 24 days that would be 6,000 across Italy, probably with some centers of infection showing a much higher than average number.
 

Donjuan

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Donjuan, have you ever worked in a hospital during a flu epidemic? Are you aware that, according to official Italian government statistics, about 250 people died every day in Italy from complications associated with the flu, last winter? Over a period of 24 days that would be 6,000 across Italy, probably with some centers of infection showing a much higher than average number.

Yes i work in same hospital since 2007. And I saw infective disease and flu season every year and saw the patients admitted every year because we do consultations and have colleague/friend in many departments and in the nearest hospital. I know what i am saying.
The number of death for flu every year are always distributed in all the nation and were never be concentrated in for 60% in the same region (also in some part of the same region) and in a narrow time frame.
We never saw a large number of interstial pneumonia like this. Never. We never saw interstial pneumonia in asymptomatic people.
And never saw a large number of pneumomia and upper way respiratory cases with respiratory insufficiency together and in a narrow time frame.
You may look at bergamo or brescia death numbers in this month and they are out of ordinary. In this city they could not handle the death corpse and we are talking of city with high level of services
This is something new and different.

Fortunately not in every part of italy the situation is like lombardia.

And yes there is a very high level of hysteria and fear but in hospital hysteria was present also before this.
You cannot believe if you prefer. I am telling the facts that are happening in some area of Italy. They are not opinion.
 

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We've all heard the reports from individual Italian or Spanish doctors in specific hospitals in specific areas of their respective countries telling horror stories of inundated emergency rooms and ICUs, not enough respirators and people 'dropping lie flies' etc.

You'd be forgiven for seeing this as evidence that this pandemic is nothing like we've seen before and that it justifies entire countries being locked down. And you'd be wrong, on both counts.

The key point here is 'individual doctors in specific hospitals in specific areas of specific countries'

Every single winter season, in at least one country (usually several) there is a 'flu pandemic'. Further, it is not across the entire country/countries. There are specific 'hot spots' where an alarmingly large number of cases inundate hospitals, require tents to be set up, emergency supplies of respirators to be shipped in, ambulances to be diverted from other areas.

Now, the reason you don't know about this is because governments and the media essentially IGNORE it. Why? Well, apart from their standard acceptance of the fact that every winter season large numbers of the sick elderly choose to 'move on', there is the vaccine factor. In most Western nations, upwards of 75% of the over 65s are vaccinated against the flu. To widely publicize that so many such people are, nevertheless, dying as a result of "complications from flu related illnesses" might undermine faith in the almighty flu vaccine (and the profits derived from administering it).

Now, back to those Italian or Spanish doctors. One question: have those doctors ever been in a hospital during one of the yearly flu pandemics that hit specific hospitals in specific areas of specific countries? I'd wager not.

I've said it many times already, and I'll say it again, much of the entire world is being deliberately and cynically hystericized, with entire countries locked down, police state measures imposed, and livelihoods and lives placed in unnecessary danger, over what is, essentially, a rather common bad seasonal flu outbreak.

On talking with my former nursing colleague a couple of days ago, she informed me that at the end of last year in the flu (2019) that on one unit they had 12 deaths in one day, an abnormally high figure from my recollections, As you rightly stated, they have made a decision on some level to take that celestial journey, they have many comorbidities and also on multiple medications. Add that to the fact that there is almost 99% compliance with receiving the flu vaccine.

Another contributing factor, if a respiratory outbreak on a unit is declared, they are basically on lockdown and ALL residents on that unit receive Tamiflu., no if ands or buts. Further compromising an already impaired immune system.
 

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These past days, I've seen a number of surveys conducted in various countries. Basically, they all say the same thing: a lot of people (about 50%) agree with the measures taken by the authorities while the other half think the authorities didn't take enough measures.

The uniformity of the results and the very authoritarian results are suspicious.

We remember that most, if not at all, MSM announced a certain Killary victory during the weeks that preceded Trump victory. These forecasts were based on opinion polls and they were all saying the same thing.

If nearly 100% of the national populations is supporting authoritarians measures or wanting more of them, how could we explain that Didier Raoult, who claims the COV-19 is a mild flu, that confinement is unnecessary, that remedies already exist, gathered more than 50k followers the day when he created his Twitter account? How could we explain the number of comments, for example on Youtube, complaining about the loss of liberty, the totalitarianism, the absurdity of the attestations?

I think, those "surveys" are part of the vast propaganda campaign. The approval numbers are cooked up like the number of contaminated people. Those surveys are spread to induce among the population obedience through social conformity.

But, there was a lot of popular anger before the COV-19 hysteria, there is even more now. I suspect the obedience won't last forever.


I'll throw in my personal experience regarding the survey results you mentioned. Unless I'm living in some sort of a massive bubble I just don't see how those results could be correct.

Although a considerable part of my pretty large social circle agrees that some measures are needed, most think that the implemented cure is getting worse than the disease. Although most initially agreed such solutions were reasonable to sort the problem out quickly, now that they are facing possible unemployment they seem to be more open to arguments and stats against those measures than they initially were.

I noticed that most people who paddle the #StayHomeSaveLives agenda on social media do it largely to get this whole corona madness sorted quicker. I wonder how they'll react if those measures are extended for months and they begin to lose their jobs and security?

What I do see though, is a fair dose of 'implicatory denial': "yes, the response may be a bit too harsh but it will soon be over and we will return to normal." Or: "They must know what they're doing, they wouldn't let the economy disintegrate."

I've also had some interesting conversations with people outside my milieu too, and I can't say I noticed much agreement with the current measures:

I received a call from my travel insurance provider regarding extending my policy for another year. I made a comment about travel in 2020 and how it makes sense to extend my insurance now, before they remove full reimbursement for airline bankruptcies and cancelled trips. Because who knows how long all that coronavirus madness was going to last? The insurance company representative was quick to pick up on the word 'madness' and said the response was just too much. We had a chat about the severity of covid victims' symptoms too and she said she had heard it only kills old people, so why were all those countries forcing everyone to stay home instead of protecting those who really need it?

I'm currently on the lookout for a new job and I got a call from a recruiter regarding an interesting opportunity. After we discussed my CV I said I was pleasantly surprised that such a great role popped up in the middle of a lockdown. He agreed I was lucky and added that the whole thing was really bad for business, that no one was recruiting anymore, and that his house mate actually had covid and said it wasn't much worse than the flu.

In both cases described above I responded with some stats I found on this thread and there was no pushback, only agreement that this whole thing is crazy. Both of those people were worried about their jobs, and I suspect that this fear begins to take priority over the fear of the virus.
 
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