Course In Miracles - CIA Manipulation Device

I couldn't find any reference to ACIM in forum search, but this info may have been covered previously. If so, sorry. I remember in the 70's in Marin Co., Calif., being around ACIM cult followers, the Jampolsky books, etc. (I owned a book store), and then even in early 90's in New Mexico a certain individual, an admitted "ex-CIA" agent (yeah, riiiight!) :rolleyes: pushing the program in local bookstores. Over the years, sucked in a lot of new-agers. Whole thing made me ill. A time of many sick bags.

A Course In Miracles - A CIA Manipulation Device?
_http://alexconstantine.blogspot.com/2008/10/mind-control-course-in-miracles-cia.html

from Tal Levesque's Research Services
June 11, 2007

‘Creating a mythos’ to control people. Program of psychological warfare (PSYOP) or ‘Mind War’. ...

A Course in Miracles (also referred to as ACIM or "the Course"), [originally published in 1975] is a book considered by its students to be their "spiritual path".

According to Dr. Helen Schucman and the Foundation for Inner Peace (FIP), Dr. Helen Schucman and Dr. William Thetford "scribed" the book by means of a process coming from a divine source through a form of channeling which Schucman referred to as "inner dictation". Schucman described the divine source of her channeling as none other than the person of Jesus Christ.

Well.... Dr. William Thetford, headed the CIA's "Mind Control" MK-ULTRA SubProject 130: Personality Theory, while at Columbia University between 1971-1978.

Dr. Thetford’s Professional Bio, also available on the A Course in Miracles web site, makes reference to his involvement in a Personality Theory Research Project while Professor of Medical Psychology at Columbia University, but the information does not specifically cite this as a CIA MK- ULTRA SubProject.

ce399.typepad.com...

There is a connection between Unity Church, "A Course In Miracles", MK-ULTRA Artichoke Subproject 130 ; Scientology ; the UFO Myth and the Stanford Research Institute.

"A Course in Miracles" was a CIA manipulation device.

It was an experiment orchestrated by the CIA/US government.

Many were DAMAGED by it.

It was implemented Bill Thetford (an agent of the CIA) at Columbia University.

Search for info on Thetford and MKUltra (the government's well-documented mind-control program) to find more.

The agenda, according to those interested in this sphere of investigation, is to inflitrate and dilute the American left with New Age ideas and inward-focussed, anti-rational religious movements.
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The Making of 'A Course in Miracles'

Excerpt from : _www.beliefnet.com...

William Thetford, also a Columbia professor, was a mysterious character, and "probably the most sinister person I ever met," the priest recalled. Only after he retired from teaching did Thetford's Columbia colleagues (who knew him best as a rare-books expert) discover that all during the years they worked with him, the man had been employed as an agent of the CIA--one who was, among other things, present at the first fission experiment conducted by physicists assigned to the Manhattan Project. Thetford also was "the most religious atheist I have ever known," Groeschel recalled, and conceived a great enthusiasm for A Course in Miracles, personally arranging for its publication. Schucman was embarrassed, Groeschel remembered, and confided to the priest her fear that the book would create a cult, which of course it did.

Groeschel initially read the Course as "religious poetry," but grew steadily more negative in his assessment of it as the years passed and sales of the three volumes passed into the millions of copies. From his point of view, A Course in Miracles served to undermine authentic Christianity more effectively than just about any other work he could recall, and while he was inclined to reject the position of St. John of the Cross that "these things are diabolical unless proven otherwise," doubts had crept in over the years. Most troubling to him by far was the "black hole of rage and depression that Schucman fell into during the last two years of her life," the priest explained. She had become frightening to be with, Groeschel recalled, spewing psychotic hatred not only for A Course in Miracles but "for all things spiritual." When he sat at Schucman's bedside as she lay dying, "she cursed, in the coarsest barroom language you could imagine, `that book, that goddamn book.' She said it was the worst thing that ever happened to her. I mean, she raised the hair on the back of my neck. It was truly terrible to witness."


William Thetford

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Thetford

William N. Thetford, Ph.D. (April 23, 1923–July 4, 1988) was trained as a psychologist, and remained professionally active in this field throughout his life. Thetford worked in a collaborative venture with Dr. Helen Schucman in writing A Course In Miracles (ACIM), and also with its initial edits. [1] He died in 1988, aged 65, in Tiburon, California, after having made his involvement with the ACIM material and its study the most central focus of his life.

Early childhood

Thetford was born on April 23, 1923 in Chicago, Illinois to John R. and Mabel K. Thetford as the youngest of three children. At the time of his birth and early childhood, his parents were both regular members of the Christian Science Church. At the age of seven, the untimely death of his older sister caused his parents to disavow their affiliation with the Church of Christian Science. Afterwards, for the next few years, Thetford sampled various other Protestant denominations.

At the age of nine he contracted a severe case of scarlet fever, which led to rheumatic fever and a debilitating heart condition. These resulting health problems forced him to spend the next three years at home recuperating. During his forced recuperation period he took advantage of the many free hours, using the time to satisfy his voracious appetite for reading. Despite his absence from the classroom, he entered high school at the age of twelve.
[edit]University education

Following graduation from high school, he was awarded a four-year scholarship to DePauw University in Indiana where he graduated with majors in psychology and pre-medicine in 1944. During the course of his university studies, Thetford eventually settled on the idea of specializing in psychology, and in 1949 he received his Ph.D. in this field from the University of Chicago.

While he was a student during the early 1940s he served for a time as an administrative assistant for the Manhattan Project, the World War II atom bomb development project.[citation needed] The Metallurgical Laboratory where the first atomic reactor was assembled was located under Stagg Field at the University of Chicago during those years. In his graduate studies he was fortunate to be one of the first students of the renowned psychologist, Carl Rogers.

Career and hiring of Dr. Helen Schucman

For the next five years after his graduation in 1949, Thetford worked as a research psychologist in both Chicago, and later in Washington, DC. According to Dr Colin Ross, from 1951 to 1953 Thetford worked on Project BLUEBIRD, an early CIA mind control program [2]. He spent 1954 and 1955 as the director of clinical psychology at the Institute of Living in Hartford, Connecticut. From 1955 to 1957 he was an assistant professor of psychology at Cornell University's CIA-funded[3] Society for the Investigation of Human Ecology[4].

In 1958 he accepted an assistant professorship, which later developed into a full professorship, at the Columbia University College of Physicians and Surgeons. During a portion of this same period he also served as the director of clinical psychology at the Columbia-Presbyterian Hospital. It was here that he would stay for the next 20 years, and it was here that he first met and hired Dr. Helen Schucman, hiring her as a research psychologist and assistant.

Thetford's "Invitation" for ACIM

The working relationship between Thetford and Schucman was apparently often somewhat strained, yet throughout these difficulties they would always maintain a certain level of professional courtesy and respect for one another. The story is often retold that it was into this environment of inter-relational strain between Thetford and Schucman that the ACIM material was in a sense first “invited” into this world. This “invitation” came in the form of an exclamation by Thetford one day, in the midst of one of their periodic difficulties, in which Thetford exclaimed, “There must be another way!” This exclamation was followed by a certain speech he made to Schucman describing how he believed that it was time for them to try to refocus their energies on constructive and helpful agendas, rather than being forever hyper critical and hyper competitive with one another. Expecting a typically condescending response from Schucman, the studied silence that followed his speech was then followed by a most surprising concurrence from Schucman, fully supporting his new proposal. This speech was given in June of 1965.[5][6]

The next four months were filled with a number of unusually vivid dream sequences and even some unusual waking experiences for Schucman.

Amongst her vivid dream sequences, she began to become familiar with a certain internal character who spoke to her as Jesus in her dreams. Little did she know that the voice of this dream character would soon come to dominate the rest of her life. Many of her unusual experiences during these four months are recorded in the biographical work, ‘Absence from Felicity’, by Kenneth Wapnick.[7] Schucman appears to have confided her experiences with Thetford, who acted as a sort of a calming, encouraging and stabilizing influence for Schucman during this period.

The years of ACIM transcription

Finally in October of that year, the transcriptions of what is now known as ACIM first began. According to both Thetford and Schucman, due to Schucman’s intensely divided feelings about the work of the transcription, Schucman would at times require a great deal of reassurance from Thetford in order to complete the process that eventually resulted in the first typewritten copy of ACIM, (which later became known as the Urtext).

According to Thetford, Schucman was sitting at home on the night of October 21st, 1965, when she heard an internal "voice" say to her, "This is a course in miracles. Please take notes." When she first heard this internal voice, she thought she recognized it as the same voice of the dream-sequence character that in her recent dream sequences had represented the person of Jesus to her. Schucman then wrote down about a page of notes before she realized that this request was going to be of much greater significance, and would require a far greater commitment in time than it had ever asked of her before. In a panic, she phoned Thetford to ask for his advice. Thetford encouraged Schucman to do what the voice asked, and to take the notes. He offered to meet with her the next morning before work, to review her notes, to discuss them further with her, and then to determine what she should do with this "Voice".[8]

On the following morning, after Thetford's review of the notes, he was so impressed with what she read to him that he encouraged Schucman to continue with the note taking. Schucman was initially taken aback by Thetford's reaction, but then apparently after giving herself enough time to recover from her initial jitters to honestly review the notes herself, she agreed. Soon they recognized that the notes, which eventually became ACIM (referred to as The Course by ACIM students), was their answer, the "other way" that they had agreed to find together four months earlier.

Classifying this transcription process as one of Schucman’s unusual waking experiences is an understatement at best. During the process Schucman claimed to have the mental equivalent of a tape recorder in her thoughts, which she described as being able to turn on and off at will, at her convenience, so that she might be able to transcribe into shorthand notes, what she was internally hearing. This voice identified itself as none other than the historical Jesus.

During the beginning of this process, one of Thetford’s gentle complaints was, “In the beginning I spent most of my time while typing these notes with one hand on the typewriter and the other on Helen’s shoulder”. After some months of experiencing an initial struggle in this process, eventually they both began to experience less subconscious resistance to the process, and the initial transcription began to move along more smoothly.

From 1965 through 1972 Thetford directly assisted Schucman with the transcription of the first three sections of the work, which was in fact the great bulk of the material. Then in 1972, somewhat to both of their reliefs (yet on some levels to their dismay) it appeared that the writing was complete, which for the most part it was.

In 1972 Thetford and Schucman were first introduced to Dr. Kenneth Wapnick whom they later invited to assist them with the voluminous amount of editing that was required to render the rough draft of the ACIM manuscript into a publishable format. Wapnick readily accepted this invitation, and was eventually instrumental in assisting them in accomplishing this task. Thetford, Wapnick and Schucman, the three principle transcriber-editors of ACIM were to remain friends for the rest of their lives, throughout the arduous process of seeing this manuscript through to first successful publication, and beyond to witness the initial spreading of its teachings.

After the completion of the bulk of the initial scribing/ transcribing process, for brief periods during 1973, 1975, and 1977 the short transcriptions of Psychotherapy,[9] of Clarification of Terms, and of the Song of Prayer,[9] which are the remainder of the standard material of ACIM, were transcribed in similar fashion.

From 1971 to 1978 Thetford, along with David Saunders, headed the CIA mind control Project MKULTRA Subproject 130: Personality Theory. [10] [11]

Move to California

In 1978 Thetford resigned from his positions at both Columbia University and at Columbia Presbyterian Hospital. In 1980 he packed up his household, and at the apparent invitation of Judith Skutch Whitson, moved to Tiburon California, where Whitson was by now employed full time in the publication and distribution of ACIM.

Now at age 57, in Tiburon Thetford transitioned into a sort of semi-retirement, no longer accepting any demanding positions of heavy responsibility in either his professional life, or in his involvement with the ever growing readership of ACIM. In California Thetford took on two part time professional positions; one as a psychology consultant at Travis Air Force Base and the other as one of the directors of the ACIM related Center for Attitudinal Healing in Tiburon, as offered to him by his friend and fellow student of ACIM, Dr. Gerald Jampolsky.

Here in California, Thetford spent the final eight years of his life, regularly attending meetings of fellow ACIM students where ACIM principles would be discussed, but only rarely engaging in these discussions in any kind of an authoritative manner. Instead, during this final period of his life, he appears to have been primarily concerned with his own personal study of the ACIM material, and with enriching his own grasp of its message. Still, some of his interchanges with his associates during this period are somewhat illuminating.

Anecdotal accounts of Thetford's California life

During one such interchange with his friend Judith Skutch Whitson[12], Whitson describes calling Thetford during a moment of extremely high tension in her relationship with Jampolsky. In the phone conversation Whitson went on at length, describing what she perceived to be Jampolski’s many faults. Thetford listened intently until Whitson finally ran out of breath. He then quietly said, "Judy, the Course (ACIM) can be summed up in the question, 'Are you willing to see your brother sinless?' "
"No!" Whitson screamed.

"Well, dear," Thetford replied, "when you are, you will feel much better." And then he hung up!

On July 4th, 1988, at age 65 Thetford died of a massive heart attack. In this instance another illuminating account, related to this, is told by Whitson. According to Whitson, just prior to Thetford’s heart attack, she and Thetford had been having an interesting conversation. Thetford explained to Whitson that he was feeling particularly good on this July 4th, because for some reason he felt especially ‘independent and liberated’ on this day. He then went out for a ‘short’ walk, but never returned.

Notes

• The Scribing of A Course in Miracles. Foundation for Inner Peace. Retrieved on 2007-04-29.
• Ross, Colin (2000). Bluebird: Deliberate Creation of Multiple Personalities by Psychiatrists. Manitou Communications.
• Marks, John (1991). The Search for the Manchurian Candidate: The CIA and Mind Control. W. W. Norton & Company. ISBN-10: 0393307948; ISBN-13: 978-0393307948.Available online [1]
• Price, David H. (June 2007). "Buying a piece of anthropology - Part 1: Human Ecology and unwitting anthropological research for the CIA". . Anthropology Today, Vol 23 No 3, June 2007 Available online [2].
• Wapnick, Kenneth (1991). Absence from Felicity, pp. 93 ff
• Foundation for Inner Peace, The Scribing of A Course in Miracles
• pp. 97-131
• ibid., p. 199
• a b (1996) Supplements to A Course in Miracles: 1. Psychotherapy: Purpose, Process and Practice 2. The Song of Prayer. Viking Adult. ISBN 0-670-86994-5.
• RA: MKULTRA de-classified documents
• Dr. Willian N, Thetford Vita
• Jessuph, Joe Miracle_Studies

References

Wapnick, Kenneth (1999). Absence from Felicity: The Story of Helen Schucman and Her Scribing of A Course in Miracles, 2nd Ed., New York:

Foundation for A Course in Miracles. ISBN 0-933291-08-6.

Miller, D. Patrick (Aug 1997). Complete Story of the Course. Fearless Books. ISBN 0-9656809-0-8.

Skutch, Robert (1996). Journey Without Distance: The Story Behind A Course in Miracles. Mill Valley: Foundation for Inner Peace. ISBN 1-883360-02-1.
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Cassiopaea Transcript 941203:

Q: (F) ...I do want to
ask about the "Course in Miracles" that is supposed to be
channeled by Jesus Christ or the Holy Spirit. Is this true?
A: No.
Q: (L) What is the source that this is channeled from?
A: Variable sources.
Q: (L) Are they good guys?
A: Some.
Q: (L) So, even the "Course in Miracles" must be taken with
a grain of salt?
A: Good idea.
 
Thank you for posting this.

Back in the early 1990's I tried "The Course". Many of my friends and acquaintances were doing it, so I tried it too. I did the exercises and read the text for about a month or so. I think I got as far as the 30th exercise.

With all the focus on "nothing you see is real" in the exercises, I think I became quite dissociative. One day at work, I went to put my backpack on a table and got a flash - sort of a feeling of a personal earthquake (no one else felt the tremor) and for a brief moment, I "knew" the table was not really there. I felt as if I could just reach my hand right through the seeming solidity of the table top.

While reading the text, at one point (I think about the same time as the episode above), I got a bad feeling about the "voice" of the text. I perceived a malevolent intent. I could almost perceive the "entity" that was supposedly "speaking" through the writer. I could not pin down why I perceived this malevolence or what I thought was malevolent about the teachings, I only knew that I felt it strongly.

I quit reading and doing the exercises. I had no further episodes like the one I mentioned above.

Some couple of years later, I tried again to read the text and did not get far before I again felt the malevolence. I had tried it again because I thought maybe my "ego" was resisting the teachings and that it was making me feel the way I felt. I thought I just needed to get past that and keep going. But, I found that I could not get past it. I am now glad that I could not get past it.
 
I was in a new-agey bookstore a while back and a guy was talking to me about the Course in Miracles and how they have a session a couple of times a month on the course. I was expecting that it would be a load of hooey and the guy said that if you wanted to understand it you couldn't use logic and that it was akin to creating your own reality. I had to giggle for a moment...but only internally.

Thanks for posting this info Bholanath.
 
FireShadow said:
Some couple of years later, I tried again to read the text and did not get far before I again felt the malevolence. I had tried it again because I thought maybe my "ego" was resisting the teachings and that it was making me feel the way I felt. I thought I just needed to get past that and keep going. But, I found that I could not get past it. I am now glad that I could not get past it.

Back in the days when I was interested in New Age books I had a similar reaction to a book , feeling uneasy and sensing malevolence. At the time, I was entirely uncritical of what I was reading, so it wasn't that, but still had a bad feeling. I ended up throwing the book in the garbage because I couldn't bear to have it in my house. I too, was later glad about it. It seems that somehow our intuition sensed something our brains could not at the time.
 
manitoban said:
FireShadow said:
Some couple of years later, I tried again to read the text and did not get far before I again felt the malevolence. I had tried it again because I thought maybe my "ego" was resisting the teachings and that it was making me feel the way I felt. I thought I just needed to get past that and keep going. But, I found that I could not get past it. I am now glad that I could not get past it.

Back in the days when I was interested in New Age books I had a similar reaction to a book , feeling uneasy and sensing malevolence. At the time, I was entirely uncritical of what I was reading, so it wasn't that, but still had a bad feeling. I ended up throwing the book in the garbage because I couldn't bear to have it in my house. I too, was later glad about it. It seems that somehow our intuition sensed something our brains could not at the time.

Yup! Me, too. The Urantia Book. It was supposedly written by many beings in the 1950s, I think it was. At the start I found it interesting and entertaining. But later in the book, there was a new "voice" in the mix. And that one seemed malevolent, egotistical, degrading about the people it was writing to. I finished it, but ended up getting rid of it. I was not impressed and was very turned off by it.
 
Thank you all for this thread.
I purchased the Urantia book back in my New Age days., about fifteen years ago. Well, after TRYING to read it
for many months I thought I was just tooo thick to understand it, so I put it aside for another time...although
fortunately} I never got back to it.. Same goes for a ACIM...I felt the same FireShadow,The only reason I
persisted for so long was that I thought it was my ego resisting the teaachings and i needed to perservere
and push on....
However I still kept going with New Age books, Astrology,Tarot readings,Buddhism books and Dvds,
Channelling sessions with the Matreiya....Sheldon Nile tapes channeling Ashtar,Sananda, etc. Wow the
list goes on..and finally a friend suggested the 7th day Adventist church. So off I went. They had Dvds
on their their take on the End Times plus Bible study and of coarse Church meetings. I tried very hard
to get a handle on this stuff, but I had the habit of asking questions, so much so that my friend who just
loved this stuff to scream at me.. "Why do you have to be different. "why do you have to ask questions,
And "Why do you have to question everything?..My reply...I am just trying to understand....Well to cut
a long story short I left the church and just continued on until I got my computer and found Laura.......
and what a hoot it has been and how grateful I am to be here.....


Sorry about this rambling guys ......
 
FireShadow said:
With all the focus on "nothing you see is real" in the exercises, I think I became quite dissociative. One day at work, I went to put my backpack on a table and got a flash - sort of a feeling of a personal earthquake (no one else felt the tremor) and for a brief moment, I "knew" the table was not really there. I felt as if I could just reach my hand right through the seeming solidity of the table top.

I started on the ACIM exercises several years ago, and had the same kind of dissociation. I started feeling flat and empty after the "nothing you see is real" portions. My whole life felt like a dream, or like being drugged. At the time I thought it was a good thing; I saw it as my ego being tamed. But in retrospect it was clearly part of a brainwashing process. The program breaks your mind down to nothing, then fills it with the system's ideas. I'm glad I quit before getting into that second phase! The whole thing works so well and so rapidly that it must have been devised by mind-control experts - whether 3D or 4D. I'm guessing 4D, due to the malevolent feeling some have described.
 
I never had any issues with ACIM, for me it was better than nothing. It played its part at the time. Now that time has passed. I'm learning. :)
 
Wikipedia is pretty clear, "Schucman claimed to have written the material, with the help of William Thetford...." Then look at the Thetford link, "from 1951 to 1953 Thetford worked on Project BLUEBIRD, an early CIA mind control program that led to Project MKULTRA."

When I started reading channeled material in the 80s I came across many references to ACIM, but never saw the book.
 
I had a fling with ACIM a few years back, read the book but never did the exercises. At the time I felt ligth as a feather on a heavy dissociation spree. I got it, Life had become so simple to understand, easy to order and I was almost 'home' as I could easily forgive every trespass made against me and mankind, as they where just products of illusion.

Today with the resurfacing of this topic I am trying to identify the spores of this dangerous programming, specifically in simplistic thougth patterns. It seems really to be a course in mindlessness, relieving one from responsibility, conscience and critical thinking, although it states ottherwise.

Author and Yogi Joel Kramer states that the Course could be considered a classic authoritarian example of programming thought to change beliefs. Long time teacher of the Course, Hugh Prather, notes that the Course students often become “far more separate and egocentric”, with many ultimately, “(losing) the ability to carry on a simple conversation”. He admits that he and his wife Gayle “had ended up less flexible, less forgiving, and less generous than we were when we first started our path!” It is definitely not the attitude the New Age Movement proclaims to promote.

some suspect ACIM quotes:

"There is no need for help to enter Heaven for you have never left. But there is need for help beyond yourself as you are circumscribed by false beliefs of your Identity, Which God alone established in reality.

"Innocence is wisdom because it is unaware of evil, and evil does not exist."

“Some of the ideas the workbook presents you will find hard to believe, and others may seem to be quite startling. This does not matter. You are merely asked to apply the ideas as you are directed to do. You are not asked to judge them at all. You are asked only to use them. It is their use that will give them meaning to you, and will show you that they are true “

“Remember only this; you need not believe the ideas, you need not accept them, and you need not even welcome them. Some of them you may actively resist. None of this will matter, or decrease their efficacy. But do not allow yourself to make exceptions in applying the ideas the workbook contains, and whatever your reactions to the ideas may be, use them. Nothing more than that is required (Workbook, p. 2).”


Surely the technology exists (see link below) to deliver such a voice transmission. As mentioned above; Bill Thetford worked in CIA project MK-ultra program, sub project Artichoke 130 (personality theory) declassified but whitewashed in the 70's.

Although the C's transcript tells that the sources are varied in 'Service direction' (I take it the benevolent ingredients in the disinfo sandwich are sampled from esoteric research ), the whole setup is most likely executed with broadcasting technology and refined by Thetfords council on Schucmans short hand, and not some mixed higher density channel (perhaps partly?) invited by Thetfords constructive proposition, (the “There must be another way!” part). There is wisdom contained within it, it's just that the zombie ingredients also included are easily swallowed with the poetic repetitive language. How to know the difference if you are told to ultimately accept the whole or else it won't work.

Project MK-ULTRA, 1953, CIA:

Drugs, electronics and electroshock

Targeting: Short range

Frequencies: VHF HF UHF modulated at ELF

Transmission and Reception: Local production

Purpose: Programming behavior, creation of "cyborg" mentalities
Effects: narcoleptic trance, programming by suggestion
Subprojects: Many.
Pseudonym: Project Artichoke

Functional Basis: Electronic Dissolution of Memory, E.D.O.M.
from _http://www.luxefaire.com/devilvision/appxhtml/Cappendix.html
+ some of the patents taken on mind control technology

also a discussion board on ACIM mentality:
_http://www.cosmicfool.com/discussion/cgi-bin/forumdisplay.cgi?action=topics&forum=ACIM..+A+Course+in+What|QUS|&number=16&DaysPrune=1000&LastLogin=
 
Manta said:
some suspect ACIM quotes:

"There is no need for help to enter Heaven for you have never left. But there is need for help beyond yourself as you are circumscribed by false beliefs of your Identity, Which God alone established in reality.

"Innocence is wisdom because it is unaware of evil, and evil does not exist."

“Some of the ideas the workbook presents you will find hard to believe, and others may seem to be quite startling. This does not matter. You are merely asked to apply the ideas as you are directed to do. You are not asked to judge them at all. You are asked only to use them. It is their use that will give them meaning to you, and will show you that they are true “

“Remember only this; you need not believe the ideas, you need not accept them, and you need not even welcome them. Some of them you may actively resist. None of this will matter, or decrease their efficacy. But do not allow yourself to make exceptions in applying the ideas the workbook contains, and whatever your reactions to the ideas may be, use them. Nothing more than that is required (Workbook, p. 2).”

Thanks for sharing the quotes, Manta, as i never read anything from ACIM before. Wow! They read so hypnotic and mind programming :scared:

I entered the last link you shared, and i read this bit, which is quite telling too:

You know, I attended some of the ACIM small group readigs years ago, pre-Liezaris. Couldn't make sense of it, BUT watched others take it in like fresh mountain air!
Sucking it right into their lungs and brains and minds. We even have a locally famous personality here, who was knee-deep in ACIM last time I spoke with her about five years ago.

I have watched that public persona now for over a year wondering wht the hell happened to her, that she should have aged so. Not just wrinkles (she's not even 55), but like bags and skin stretched over her cranium. Lines going in all directions on her face. It all has been telling me that something hard and perplexing has been eating away at her.

OK, now to two friends I knew - one rather well - both 60&75 years old - and also were knee deep in ACIM.

I saw them three weeks ago.
JEEZESS!
What happened to them?!!!
Look like they both aged decades! That same sort of hard skin over skull, and bags& lines all over look!

Katie, I am not being mean-spirited; I loved these people. I thank god that I knew these two from BEFORE ever hearing of ACIM...but to suddenly see them after, maybe, six years, and see how they look now?
It's awful!
How could people age like that?!

Finally...I put it together:
Uh-uh. Ms. Local-celeb and them:
All three of them are people who took to ACIM like baby birds to worms.
Sucked it down and chirped for more!

(And it is showing now - on their skeleton-like faces! All three of them! The same!)

Katie, there IS a link! A damaging link.

These genuinely "seeking" seeked themselves right into a mind-control crapper that has stolen their vivaciousness. All three had the personality of lambs.

I didn't want to ask (because I want NOTHING to do with anymore of anyone's crap), but I'll bet you if I asked, they would tell me they are STILL sucking on the grapes of ACIM.

Katie, it is my firm belief that chase-your-tail metaphysics (such as Liezaris, ACIM, Landmark, etc)is particularly crafted to keep you chasing your tail FOREVER, and, as such, will SHOW ON YOUR FACE given enough time!

My friends look like they are constantly trying to understand where they "went bad" and how - someday - they can only hope - will ever be "good enough" to "get it."

My god, Katie, but how lowly they must truly feel about themselves, especially after all these years!

What in god's name do they think God must be like?
The most enigmatic, judgmental, elusive...?

All this shows in the lines and bags and sallow stretched-too-tight skin of each of their faces.

from -http://www.cosmicfool.com/discussion/ubb/Forum16/HTML/000016.html
 
Alana said:
You know, I attended some of the ACIM small group readigs years ago, pre-Liezaris. Couldn't make sense of it, BUT watched others take it in like fresh mountain air!
Sucking it right into their lungs and brains and minds. We even have a locally famous personality here, who was knee-deep in ACIM last time I spoke with her about five years ago.

I have watched that public persona now for over a year wondering wht the hell happened to her, that she should have aged so. Not just wrinkles (she's not even 55), but like bags and skin stretched over her cranium. Lines going in all directions on her face. It all has been telling me that something hard and perplexing has been eating away at her.

OK, now to two friends I knew - one rather well - both 60&75 years old - and also were knee deep in ACIM.

I saw them three weeks ago.
JEEZESS!
What happened to them?!!!
Look like they both aged decades! That same sort of hard skin over skull, and bags& lines all over look!

Katie, I am not being mean-spirited; I loved these people. I thank god that I knew these two from BEFORE ever hearing of ACIM...but to suddenly see them after, maybe, six years, and see how they look now?
It's awful!
How could people age like that?!

Finally...I put it together:
Uh-uh. Ms. Local-celeb and them:
All three of them are people who took to ACIM like baby birds to worms.
Sucked it down and chirped for more!

(And it is showing now - on their skeleton-like faces! All three of them! The same!)

Katie, there IS a link! A damaging link.

These genuinely "seeking" seeked themselves right into a mind-control crapper that has stolen their vivaciousness. All three had the personality of lambs.

I didn't want to ask (because I want NOTHING to do with anymore of anyone's crap), but I'll bet you if I asked, they would tell me they are STILL sucking on the grapes of ACIM.

Katie, it is my firm belief that chase-your-tail metaphysics (such as Liezaris, ACIM, Landmark, etc)is particularly crafted to keep you chasing your tail FOREVER, and, as such, will SHOW ON YOUR FACE given enough time!

My friends look like they are constantly trying to understand where they "went bad" and how - someday - they can only hope - will ever be "good enough" to "get it."

My god, Katie, but how lowly they must truly feel about themselves, especially after all these years!

What in god's name do they think God must be like?
The most enigmatic, judgmental, elusive...?

All this shows in the lines and bags and sallow stretched-too-tight skin of each of their faces.

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Reminds me of Emperor Palpatine from Star Wars, who became all gaunt and shrivelled up over time. It seems that the ACIM devotees may be hooking themselves right up to feeding tubes and draining their vitality directly to 4D STS. I guess that's what happens when someone chooses to surrender their Free Will and completely shut out Reality. They literally align with the Dark Side. But I've never heard of a "rapid aging" connection until now. ACIM must be pretty potent stuff. :shock:
 
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