Crash of German Wings Flight over French Alps

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Flight GWI9525, an Airbus A320 operated by the Germanwings airline travelling between Barcelona and Dusseldorf, has crashed in southern France.

Travelling from Barcelona, the flight crashed near the Alpine town of Barcelonnette.

142 passengers and 8 crew on board, all feared dead.

French civil aviation authority says the crew had sent a distress signal at 10.47am local time (9.47am GMT) – 46 minutes after take-off

The crash site has been found by investigators

The cause of the crash remains unclear

I'm not really being serious here, but given the possible 'high strangeness' nature of flight disappearances, the fact that the plane left Barcelona and crashed near Barcelonette, made me think of the "marker" reference in the last session, about people being taken and then put back at a "marker" site.

There is always the overhead space rock angle too.
 
This is terrible and we can see that more and more there are airplanes accidents. How come? Can it be a "terrorist" attack?
 
loreta said:
This is terrible and we can see that more and more there are airplanes accidents. How come? Can it be a "terrorist" attack?

They'll probably try their utmost to spin it into one - can't let a good tragedy go to waste.
 
Another tragic plane crash. It's amazing how many incidents have been taking place during the last year alone. :O

Perceval said:
I'm not really being serious here, but given the possible 'high strangeness' nature of flight disappearances, the fact that the plane left Barcelona and crashed near Barcelonette, made me think of the "marker" reference in the last session, about people being taken and then put back at a "marker" site.

Yes, definitely interesting that it crashed near that location. This would add an all new dimension to the C's "marker" reference.

(Perceval) The other thing about the Missing 411 book is that the people who are disappeared and found again, it usually happens near berry bushes. I was wondering what the...

(Andromeda) Yeah, what's the connection with berries? They're either near berry bushes, or picking berries, or they reappear with berries.

(Galatea) Why berries?

A: Convenient markers for TDARM type technology due to sound frequency.

Q: (L) Sound frequency of the word "berries"?

A: Yes.

Q: (Perceval) That's how they mark places.


I guess we will have to wait to get more detailed information about the dynamics of the incident and the weather conditions at the time. Also, I assume they will recover the black box and hopefully share the data.
 
This time the plane has crashed in the French Alps with no survivors expected; It is an airbus 320 belonging to Germanwings GmbH is a German (low-cost airline based in Cologne, which is wholly owned by Lufthansa).[covering the route from Barcelona (Spain) through France to Düsseldorf International Airport; Most of the passengers were German,

News sites :

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32030270

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11491587/Airbus-A320-crashes-in-French-Alps-with-148-people-on-board-live.html

http://abcnews.go.com/live?stream=2

http://edition.cnn.com/

In spanish:

http://elpais.com/elpais/2015/03/24/videos/1427196924_626202.html
 
there seems to have been a distress call - 'emergency, emergency' - http://edition.cnn.com/videos/world/2015/03/24/newday-germanwings-plane-crash-france-distress-call.cnn

and coincidence: Israel denies spying on US-Iran nuclear talks - http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-32030071

the fact that it happened in France with a German plane (mostly Germans killed) and that both countries have been showing some reluctance in following the lead from the US in Ukraine, could indicate it is a warning - or as Perceval indicates a high strangeness warning to the PTB not to go the WW3 scenario, as the C's indidicated with the disappearance of the Malaysian plane.
 
update:

The owner of a camp site in the French Alps near the scene of the crash says he heard a series of loud noises coming from the air before the Germanwings A320 Airbus crashed. Pierre Polizzi told AP the noise began at 11:30 local time.

"There are often fighter jets flying over, so I thought it sounded just like that. I looked outside but I couldn't see any fighter planes."

"The noise I heard was long - like 8 seconds - as if the plane was going more slowly than a military plane speed. There was another long noise about 30 seconds later."

That puts it in the realm of overhead explosion.
 
People from village nearby says that he didn't see plane but heard some loud booms, so that can be some stone fragment from space. Can be that or crash boom sound.
 
is the story already changing?

from RT live update

14:53 GMT:

There is a lot of uncertainty concerning whether a distress signal was sent by the aircraft. The French Aviation Authority are now saying that the Germanwings plane did not issue a distress call.

However, air traffic controllers declared there was a distress phase, which is a situation where there is a reasonable certainty that an aircraft and its occupants are threatened by grave and imminent danger or require immediate assistance.

14:26 GMT:

Germanwings say they are not aware of any complications during the descent of the aircraft. The company added that it started descending one minute after reaching its cruising height and continued to lose altitude for eight minutes, before finally crashing.

"The aircraft's contact with French radar, French air traffic controllers ended at 10.53 am at an altitude of about 6,000 feet. The plane then crashed," Germanwings' Managing Director Thomas Winkelmann said.

and at 15.12 update, interview with pilot talking about the 8 min descend that could indicate a bomb exploded in the rear of the plane.

15:12 GMT:

Peter Haisenko, Ex-Lufthansa-Pilot spoke to RT
 
This is a streaming about this accident from France 24 in English.

http://www.lavanguardia.com/20150324/54428408370/streaming-en-directo-del-accidente-de-avion.html
 
Certainly this was no emergency landing, looking at the images it seems like the plane completely disintegrated. Images e.g. here: _http://www.airlive.net/2015/03/breaking-crash-of-a320-in-south-of.html
 
Aragorn said:
Certainly this was no emergency landing, looking at the images it seems like the plane completely disintegrated. Images e.g. here: _http://www.airlive.net/2015/03/breaking-crash-of-a320-in-south-of.html

Impressive! these images.

They are insinuating, not clearly, that maybe an explosion... I was thinking that if there was an emergency situation the passengers would have time to send messages via their mobile phones? But if it was an explosion, no way. Is there possible to use the phone when you are in an airplane?
 
Jeremy F Kreuz said:
14:26 GMT:
"The aircraft's contact with French radar, French air traffic controllers ended at 10.53 am at an altitude of about 6,000 feet. The plane then crashed," Germanwings' Managing Director Thomas Winkelmann said.

This kind of matches the data from the ADS-B trackers - the last packet received by the "spotting network" apparently contained this:

ALTITUDE
06800 FT
SPEED
378 KTS
TRACK
026°
UTC TIME
09:41

Here you can see the flight on a map, based on received ADS-B data: _http://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/4u9525/#5d42675
 
Condolences and prayers to the passengers, crew, and the effected family's.

It just gets weirder and weirder.

From Flightglobale
Lost A320 descended only minutes after reaching high cruise
By: David Kaminski-Morrow
London:Source Pro
_http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/lost-a320-descended-only-minutes-after-reaching-high-410494/

Surveillance data from the Germanwings Airbus A320 lost over south-eastern France appears to indicate that the flight climbed to 38,000ft briefly before descending.

The data, taken from automatic dependent surveillance transmissions, has not been officially verified. But it indicates that the aircraft reached the peak altitude over the Mediterranean Sea while operating the Barcelona-Dusseldorf route.

It also suggests the aircraft maintained this height for only a few minutes before starting to descend as it approached the French coast near Marseille.

Meteorological data for Marseille airport around the time indicates good visibility and no significant weather conditions.

German air navigation authority DFS says that there were 154 occupants on the aircraft including six crew members.

The aircraft crashed at 10:37 local time, it adds, about 50km north of Marseille.

There is no indication from the surveillance data of any attempt to divert from the course towards high terrain, despite the loss of altitude. There are several airports in the vicinity including Nice and Montpellier.

Unconfirmed reports suggest the airframe involved is D-AIPX, serial number 147, one of the oldest A320s in service. Flightglobal’s Ascend Fleets database shows this aircraft to be a 25-year old CFM International CFM56-powered example.

French civil aviation administration DGAC says the aircraft has come down near a town named Barcelonnette. The carrier is the low-cost arm of Lufthansa Group
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Also from the same site.
_http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/background-to-germanwings-a320-accident-410509/

Based on the few facts known about the Germanwings Airbus A320 crash, it is a highly unusual event. For a modern short-haul airliner to develop – in the cruise phase of flight – problems the crew cannot deal with is almost unheard of.

According to unofficial data from a flight-tracking service, the aircraft took off for its scheduled flight from Barcelona to Dusseldorf in good weather just after 10:00 local time, took about 20min climbing to a cruise height of 38,000ft, where it levelled out for just 3 to 4min, and then entered a steady descent profile without altering its ground speed to any significant extent from the 420-450kt (780-830km/h) adopted in the cruise. It was not a dramatic descent, but was very steady all the way to impact. It also appears to have crashed quite close to its flight-planned track, so there was no sudden veer off course.

In the press conference given by the Lufthansa Group, a technical spokesman would not confirm whether there was an emergency call, saying there was conflicting evidence. So either there was no message, or – if there was some kind of attempt by the crew to communicate with air traffic control – the message was not clear.

Failure to inform ATC about an emergency usually means the crew are too busy dealing with a problem, but there is no evidence as to what that might have been.

In April last year, during a period of intense speculation about the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines flight MH370, Flightglobal published this information: “Including MH370, Ascend Online shows that a total of 46 Western-built jet airliners have crashed with the loss of all on board while in the en-route phase. Of these, 13 were caused by sabotage, two more by hijacks and one was shot down. Three more were caused by undetermined causes where flightcrew suicide is suspected.”

What are the odds of the take off point of Barcelona SP. and the site of the crash near Barcelonnette, Fr.?
 

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