Culture of the 4D's?

Amarock

The Force is Strong With This One
#1
I may be missing something, but after reading bunch of Cs material, I've noticed one thing - there is no description of how Lizards exist in their civilization (or what is it they exist in)
Now, I understand that of course asking this is like dogs were trying to figure out human society, but then again, even those dogs could see similar concepts in us, right?
Part of why it is so unteresting to me is because you just cant fake those things - you cant invent new culture overnight, so we can instantly know if it would make sense

So, my question is, what kind of art, social structure, hierarchy do they have? ( if those definitions can be applied)

ps
cant wait to learn that lizzies were secretly communist all along
 

WIN 52

Jedi Council Member
#2
Is communism really that bad?

Or, is capitalism the poorer choice?

Look at what we have now. People standing on other people's heads to get a few dollars at those people's expense. In a communist society the wealth is shared with everybody.

Excluding dictatorships which makes it a capitalistic society.
 

Ant22

The Living Force
FOTCM Member
#4
So, my question is, what kind of art, social structure, hierarchy do they have? ( if those definitions can be applied)

Given that they gave us their mind, as Castaneda put it, and we are aligned with them, their world is probably hierarchical, like ours. They are most likely just as driven to dominate over other members of their own race as humans.

I think self-observation and looking around ourselves could give us an idea of what their world may be like. As above so below.


Don't know how Lizzies live, but communism on Earth is where wealth is concentrated in the hands of a central authority while everybody else is pushed to be equally poor.

Yup, my thoughts precisely. Communism was also a construct of the predator's mind, hence it turned out the way it did. It could not have been any other way.

When I first came across The Wave I actually wondered whether the support for communism was a result of some sort of a distant memory of the paradise we left where there is no hierarchy, everyone shares and is provided for. Kind of like the opposite of the evolutionary memory of a predator Peterson talks about. That's a bit far fetched though, exploited masses probably just jumped on a promise of a better life hoping it was possible.

Well, it was not. We are food and our suffering is tasty.

The recent leftist push for a socialist utopia reminds me of this cartoon:

Socialism.jpg
 
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Neil

Jedi Master
FOTCM Member
#5
I conceptualize it as a kind of "perfect fascism." Society is a megacorporation where everything is commoditized, everyone and everything is seen only in the value they provide to the corporation, and there are no considerations given to such quaint notions such as ethics, worker rights, or social responsibility; the only thing that matters is maximizing profit. Here profit is not any sort of monetary instrument, but a sort of energy that flows through all living things which creates reality; the consciousness of the universe, so to speak. The more of this energy that is accumulated, the more the forces of the universe can be bent to one's desires. The goal of the corporation is to create a monopoly on the universe and own everything. You could picture it as a fusion between JP Morgan Chase, Google, and Lockheed Martin, except on a much larger scale and above any sort of oversight, accountable to no one; an all encompassing panopticon. If the genocide of an entire species is considered to give the greatest overall long-term profits, it is considered morally good, if the ripple effects are too chaotic or considered to be more trouble than it is worth, then it is considered morally evil. The meaning of life is power. While there is a lot of coercion and manipulation that goes on within the hierarchy, everyone at some level subscribes to these core beliefs, which helps to maintain its cohesion.

Efficiency is one of the most important benchmarks for measuring the health of the corporation. A certain proportion of workers are needed for certain jobs. This is best accomplished by genetically engineering and cloning all children to be perfectly suited to their various tasks. This results in a rigid caste system based on the amount of mental energy one can channel at a given time, which is largely determined by the way the elite of the society had you manufactured. The labor caste consists of heavily augmented individuals who are little more than automatons. They do the drudge work, and they do it happily, because most of their freewill has been removed via various conditioning practices. The "middle class" caste manages the day to day operations of the corporation; they are given a few perks but are also heavily conditioned, and don't enjoy much outside of their jobs, where they are provided the bare minimum necessary to do them efficiently. They are on a treadmill to prove their value to the corporation and subtly reminded that they could be demoted in to the labor caste or worse if they don't conform. The professional caste is granted certain selected genetic upgrades and a larger allotment of energy that makes them racially superior to the first two castes. They are the first caste that has a significant amount of freewill retained which is useful for adapting to new situations and channeling the energy needed to quell dissent and expand the means of conquest. They believe in the mission statement of the corporation, and while they are manipulated, this belief is genuine and not externally reinforced. All of the fruits of the civilization flow to the ruling caste, of course, who is constantly looking for ways to augment it's psychic, physical, and technological prowess. They have complete access to the full knowledge of the civilization, and accumulate the majority of the energy harvested by the lower castes. They are like gods compared to the professional caste, and to challenge them is usually suicidal. They are like Transhumanists on steroids.

No one works for a wage in this society, but is instead given an allotment based on their caste and level of compliance. Your caste determines the amount and type of goods you can use, what type of accommodation you can have, and even what you're allowed to think about. Furthermore, in an effort to maximize efficiency, everything is standardized. For example, with the exception of the ruling caste, everyone in your caste would have the same house, same car, same furniture. You may be given some latitude to choose some superficial things, such as the scent of the air freshener in your car, or how to arrange your furniture that everyone else has, or whether you want blue draperies or red ones, but most of your discressionary decisions are made for you. The labor caste really has nothing, they are really just things, and are disposable. The middle caste is allowed certain minimal fruits of their labor, they are led to believe that their lives matter, but they are largely disposable as well. The ruling caste probably has palatial domains, some of which may even be superficially beautiful, filled with every kind of physical pleasure imaginable, twisted or not. The professional caste falls somewhere in between the ruling caste and the middle caste. If you are not compliant, they probably have some way of disconnecting you from the social memory complex and letting your psychic energy bleed out to the point that you become something of a husk.

4D societies are supposed to be composed of a network of minds, all psychically connected to each other with etheric roots in a common soul group. In theory, the thoughts and knowledge of one being should be available to every other being in that soul group, even in an STS society. In principle, I believe the rigid stratification of the members of that society due to conditioning, mind augmentation, and genetic modification of all kinds creates layers of society that are almost like separate species bound together by the intense mental energy emanating from the top of the hierarchy. Thus the ruling caste has created a level of superiority and complexity for themselves such that their notions and concepts occur on a level that is incomprehensible to the lower castes. Their psychic impressions can only be understood when given on a level that is simple enough for that particular caste, which provides a layer of secrecy. There is no such thing as privacy, since the higher castes can use their psychic abilities to see everything that is happening below them, making dissent a rarity. As a result, everyone is essentially the property of their boss, and the only curb on the amount of influence he is allowed to have over his subordinates is the limits of his personal interest in controlling them. There is very little upward mobility, the level of stratification that is built into such a totalitarian system ensures that one is pretty much resigned to whatever caste they were manufactured into. If the corporation is doing well with lots of new conquests, the wealth of one's caste may increase, but one's relative position will not. There are factions within the hierarchy which occasionally have power struggles, and it may be possible for one to rise to a higher caste by killing one's boss and taking his place. This is morally acceptable because if he was such a good controller, he would've been able to prevent the uprising. There is no place for weakness in the hierarchy, whoever is strongest at a given level is entitled to that position. Everyone dreams of being a ruler, because power is the meaning of everything, and being able to come up with more cunning and manipulative techniques for conquest can be beneficial for the corporation in the long run, but such internal discord can also make it vulnerable to rival corporations and is generally seen as bad for business.

As for art, I would say it is seen as idle distraction which diverts resources from the aim of society, which is conquest, and is banned unless it serves some kind of utilitarian purpose. So music for example would probably be some type hypnotic trance used as a form of mind control to keep workers entrained to their preassigned caste roles. They will be conditioned to like the music, which contours their minds to like their own slavery. I can see where the higher castes might have some sort of dark reiki or negative feng shui which somehow increases their resonance with negative archetypes and magnifies their own power through some kind of ritual experience. I think it would be very difficult for the dedicated STS being to enjoy something for the sake of enjoying it, they can only enjoy something in the context of it giving them more power over others.

This model should apply to the entire Orion Union, of which we are told the Lizzies are a part, with only relatively minor variations. It is a series of a nested hierarchies, which should follow the general template applied by the dominant race, which the Cassiopaeans refer to as Orion STS. Orion STS, being in an affiliated hierarchy that sits above the Lizzies, extracting energy from their ruling caste, is probably fantastically wealthy compared to the subjugated races. They may have the energy to afford "frills" on their planets, they may even be beautiful at first glance. I could see Orion STS being portrayed as the pinnacle of civilizational development after Earth transitions to 4D, but their exquisite existence is only possible through the enslavement of thousands of worlds.

Some evidence that supports my model comes from David Jacob's work, as well as a bit from William Bramley, Val Valerian, and of course the channeled materials. Basically there is evidence that some sort of control system is being imposed on Earth, and in a nod to Ant 22's remark about the Predator's Mind, if you take the most negative human control system that humans have designed and then develop it to its fullest potential, I think you get pretty a good idea of how the aliens function.
 

Amarock

The Force is Strong With This One
#6
You made a bunch of good points here sir. Tho, I can't imagine lowest caste in their realm. I mean their intelligence should be significantly higher than ours, plus network connected minds. How is it possible to make slaves out of your own master race? At least they could just use machines.
But, on the other hand, they could be banishing unwanted elements of the hierarchy into this sorry slave existence.
 

Amarock

The Force is Strong With This One
#7
Hmm, I wonder what would happen if some kind of reptilian Caesar would usurp the power in this system - you know, tough enough to win power struggle, but also relatively good guy.
Sounds like dividing by zero to me.
Damn, there is so many questions I wish we could get answer to
 

Beorn

Jedi Council Member
FOTCM Member
#8
No value is placed on the uniqueness of each individual particle of the Divine. It's worth is only measured by its 'economic' value. Whereas STO see the immeasurable value in the uniqueness and expression of each particle of the Absolute. This is why, eventually, the tower falls and the light shines, or so I like to think. :-)
 

Ant22

The Living Force
FOTCM Member
#9
Hmm, I wonder what would happen if some kind of reptilian Caesar would usurp the power in this system - you know, tough enough to win power struggle, but also relatively good guy.
Sounds like dividing by zero to me.
Damn, there is so many questions I wish we could get answer to

You're looking at it from your 3D perspective. 3D is where we choose either STS or STO - or do it all over again if polarisation isn't strong enough to graduate in either direction.

So there would not be any relatively good guys at that level becuase they've already selected their path. Don't forget that in order to graduate to the 4D STS mode a 3D individual has to be 95% STS oriented already. And 4D STS is not an environment where growth in the direction of STO is possible - becuase it's STS.

So yeah, it's dividing by zero. ;-)


You made a bunch of good points here sir. Tho, I can't imagine lowest caste in their realm. I mean their intelligence should be significantly higher than ours, plus network connected minds. How is it possible to make slaves out of your own master race? At least they could just use machines.

I just wanted to point out that humans too made slaves out of their own race. The the catalyst for the American Civil War was the issue of slavery. You may argue that this involved the Caucasian race enslaving Africans, members of different human races, but we are all 3D humans. And isn't the modern society built in such a manner that there is a power group who rules the world, owns the major banks and runs the government, and there's the rest of us who have to get out of bed every day in order to make money to survive? Isn't that a form of slavery and social hierarchy? And what about the rich buying expensive clothes made in sweatshops somewhere in Bangladesh by people who live in what we would refer to as sheds? Here in the UK there is a Modern Slavery Act. There would not be any need for one if this was not an issue.

In India they still have a caste system where some casts are higher than others, despite the fact that they are all members of the same race of humans. I live in London and have many Indian friends. There have been quite heartbreaking and in my view ridiculous cases where parents opposed the marriage becuase the fiance was of a lower caste, despite the fact that the children were born here and it's the 21st century.


Q: (L) If the Lizzies have been feeding off of us frequently and are planning to come and take over our planet, why, when they achieved their domination 300,000 years ago, did they not just move here and take up residence and be in charge?

A: No desire to inhabit same realm.

Q: (L) Why was this?

A: You are 3rd level they are 4th level.

Q: (L) Why are they planning to now?

A: They want to rule you in 4th density.

So if you're wondering who the slaves in 4D may be, it may be those of us who are nasty enough to graduate. So Killary and the rest of those nutters may be a tad surprised that there may not be any red carpet welcome for them. :evil:
 

Amarock

The Force is Strong With This One
#10
You may argue that this involved the Caucasian race enslaving Africans, members of different human races, but we are all 3D humans.
Yes, but we didn't know any alien race, so different human races were like aliens to each other espically at this time period. Same with Indian casts - arian folk have put dravidians in the lowest casts, as far as I remember. Lizards do know that there is life that doesn't look or think like them do, so lizards enslaving lizards is more like if WW2 germans enslaved their own germans, thats my point here.
 

Ant22

The Living Force
FOTCM Member
#11
Yes, but we didn't know any alien race, so different human races were like aliens to each other espically at this time period. Same with Indian casts - arian folk have put dravidians in the lowest casts, as far as I remember. Lizards do know that there is life that doesn't look or think like them do, so lizards enslaving lizards is more like if WW2 germans enslaved their own germans, thats my point here.

You quoted only one sentence from the whole post and I think the section where I said we are all slaves to the ruling class running banks and governments behind the scene would demonstrate that humans as a race too enslave their own kind? Not to mention that humans are humans, regardless of race so it's not like American slavery of the involvement of white people in the caste system makes any difference. It's still humans enslaving humans.
 

Amarock

The Force is Strong With This One
#12
Yeah, thats true, I guess thats how they treat their people "technically non-slaves", and for us they prepared role of, you know, actual slaves
 

WIN 52

Jedi Council Member
#13
Don't know how Lizzies live, but communism on Earth is where wealth is concentrated in the hands of a central authority while everybody else is pushed to be equally poor.
That would be the communist dictatorship part which is not desirable. We always seem to get it wrong.
 
#14
Talking about the original invisible hand, it would be interesting to determine how and when and why money was created for the first time and why money were created as little pieces of gold with subdivisions of silver. From this perspective the communist state was the only authority to accumulate gold ‘money’ and own any property that could be considered asset. Capitalism gave the promise of opportunity to own money and assets, however including a time factor thus making money creation, and the speed of it the superseeding commodity and and thus introducing the second version of the invisible hand the political power. People vote for other people or parties as a mere inconsequential habit. The political power is actually held by whom ever drives the ‘banks’. The introduction of the carbon emissions, credits, tax and markets adds to the third metamorphosis of the invisible hand which is the environmental power through increased manipulation. The fourth industrial revolution, the genetic boutiques and weather on demand are nothing but precursors to a multilaterally controlled hierarchy of natural, AI and human entities providing on demand any or all required ‘substance’. I my honest opinion, that’s the 4D ‘game’.
 
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I conceptualize it as a kind of "perfect fascism." Society is a megacorporation where everything is commoditized, everyone and everything is seen only in the value they provide to the corporation, and there are no considerations given to such quaint notions such as ethics, worker rights, or social responsibility; the only thing that matters is maximizing profit. Here profit is not any sort of monetary instrument, but a sort of energy that flows through all living things which creates reality; the consciousness of the universe, so to speak. The more of this energy that is accumulated, the more the forces of the universe can be bent to one's desires. The goal of the corporation is to create a monopoly on the universe and own everything. You could picture it as a fusion between JP Morgan Chase, Google, and Lockheed Martin, except on a much larger scale and above any sort of oversight, accountable to no one; an all encompassing panopticon. If the genocide of an entire species is considered to give the greatest overall long-term profits, it is considered morally good, if the ripple effects are too chaotic or considered to be more trouble than it is worth, then it is considered morally evil. The meaning of life is power. While there is a lot of coercion and manipulation that goes on within the hierarchy, everyone at some level subscribes to these core beliefs, which helps to maintain its cohesion.

Efficiency is one of the most important benchmarks for measuring the health of the corporation. A certain proportion of workers are needed for certain jobs. This is best accomplished by genetically engineering and cloning all children to be perfectly suited to their various tasks. This results in a rigid caste system based on the amount of mental energy one can channel at a given time, which is largely determined by the way the elite of the society had you manufactured. The labor caste consists of heavily augmented individuals who are little more than automatons. They do the drudge work, and they do it happily, because most of their freewill has been removed via various conditioning practices. The "middle class" caste manages the day to day operations of the corporation; they are given a few perks but are also heavily conditioned, and don't enjoy much outside of their jobs, where they are provided the bare minimum necessary to do them efficiently. They are on a treadmill to prove their value to the corporation and subtly reminded that they could be demoted in to the labor caste or worse if they don't conform. The professional caste is granted certain selected genetic upgrades and a larger allotment of energy that makes them racially superior to the first two castes. They are the first caste that has a significant amount of freewill retained which is useful for adapting to new situations and channeling the energy needed to quell dissent and expand the means of conquest. They believe in the mission statement of the corporation, and while they are manipulated, this belief is genuine and not externally reinforced. All of the fruits of the civilization flow to the ruling caste, of course, who is constantly looking for ways to augment it's psychic, physical, and technological prowess. They have complete access to the full knowledge of the civilization, and accumulate the majority of the energy harvested by the lower castes. They are like gods compared to the professional caste, and to challenge them is usually suicidal. They are like Transhumanists on steroids.

No one works for a wage in this society, but is instead given an allotment based on their caste and level of compliance. Your caste determines the amount and type of goods you can use, what type of accommodation you can have, and even what you're allowed to think about. Furthermore, in an effort to maximize efficiency, everything is standardized. For example, with the exception of the ruling caste, everyone in your caste would have the same house, same car, same furniture. You may be given some latitude to choose some superficial things, such as the scent of the air freshener in your car, or how to arrange your furniture that everyone else has, or whether you want blue draperies or red ones, but most of your discressionary decisions are made for you. The labor caste really has nothing, they are really just things, and are disposable. The middle caste is allowed certain minimal fruits of their labor, they are led to believe that their lives matter, but they are largely disposable as well. The ruling caste probably has palatial domains, some of which may even be superficially beautiful, filled with every kind of physical pleasure imaginable, twisted or not. The professional caste falls somewhere in between the ruling caste and the middle caste. If you are not compliant, they probably have some way of disconnecting you from the social memory complex and letting your psychic energy bleed out to the point that you become something of a husk.

4D societies are supposed to be composed of a network of minds, all psychically connected to each other with etheric roots in a common soul group. In theory, the thoughts and knowledge of one being should be available to every other being in that soul group, even in an STS society. In principle, I believe the rigid stratification of the members of that society due to conditioning, mind augmentation, and genetic modification of all kinds creates layers of society that are almost like separate species bound together by the intense mental energy emanating from the top of the hierarchy. Thus the ruling caste has created a level of superiority and complexity for themselves such that their notions and concepts occur on a level that is incomprehensible to the lower castes. Their psychic impressions can only be understood when given on a level that is simple enough for that particular caste, which provides a layer of secrecy. There is no such thing as privacy, since the higher castes can use their psychic abilities to see everything that is happening below them, making dissent a rarity. As a result, everyone is essentially the property of their boss, and the only curb on the amount of influence he is allowed to have over his subordinates is the limits of his personal interest in controlling them. There is very little upward mobility, the level of stratification that is built into such a totalitarian system ensures that one is pretty much resigned to whatever caste they were manufactured into. If the corporation is doing well with lots of new conquests, the wealth of one's caste may increase, but one's relative position will not. There are factions within the hierarchy which occasionally have power struggles, and it may be possible for one to rise to a higher caste by killing one's boss and taking his place. This is morally acceptable because if he was such a good controller, he would've been able to prevent the uprising. There is no place for weakness in the hierarchy, whoever is strongest at a given level is entitled to that position. Everyone dreams of being a ruler, because power is the meaning of everything, and being able to come up with more cunning and manipulative techniques for conquest can be beneficial for the corporation in the long run, but such internal discord can also make it vulnerable to rival corporations and is generally seen as bad for business.

As for art, I would say it is seen as idle distraction which diverts resources from the aim of society, which is conquest, and is banned unless it serves some kind of utilitarian purpose. So music for example would probably be some type hypnotic trance used as a form of mind control to keep workers entrained to their preassigned caste roles. They will be conditioned to like the music, which contours their minds to like their own slavery. I can see where the higher castes might have some sort of dark reiki or negative feng shui which somehow increases their resonance with negative archetypes and magnifies their own power through some kind of ritual experience. I think it would be very difficult for the dedicated STS being to enjoy something for the sake of enjoying it, they can only enjoy something in the context of it giving them more power over others.

This model should apply to the entire Orion Union, of which we are told the Lizzies are a part, with only relatively minor variations. It is a series of a nested hierarchies, which should follow the general template applied by the dominant race, which the Cassiopaeans refer to as Orion STS. Orion STS, being in an affiliated hierarchy that sits above the Lizzies, extracting energy from their ruling caste, is probably fantastically wealthy compared to the subjugated races. They may have the energy to afford "frills" on their planets, they may even be beautiful at first glance. I could see Orion STS being portrayed as the pinnacle of civilizational development after Earth transitions to 4D, but their exquisite existence is only possible through the enslavement of thousands of worlds.

Some evidence that supports my model comes from David Jacob's work, as well as a bit from William Bramley, Val Valerian, and of course the channeled materials. Basically there is evidence that some sort of control system is being imposed on Earth, and in a nod to Ant 22's remark about the Predator's Mind, if you take the most negative human control system that humans have designed and then develop it to its fullest potential, I think you get pretty a good idea of how the aliens function.
Breaking it down simplistically in 3D conceptualizations, I envisage a 4D STS perp as the lovechild of a Shadow and Vorlon - possessed by a Goa'uld ;-)
 
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