Curiosity about "lizards"

irjO

The Living Force
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Hello! these questions may sound silly or absurd, but just curious about the races who rule us from the 4th level STS the "lizards":

1) lizards babies are born in eggs like reptiles on this planet? or they reproduce and born in a different way in 4th density. (wich i have no idea how it is, except that there is physical variability)

2) do they have empathy to each others as the souled humans have with their families or friends?
 
irjO said:
Hello! these questions may sound silly or absurd, but just curious about the races who rule us from the 4th level STS the "lizards":

1) lizards babies are born in eggs like reptiles on this planet? or they reproduce and born in a different way in 4th density. (wich i have no idea how it is, except that there is physical variability)

I don't think the way they live and reproduce has anything to do with what we see on earth, partly because of the completely diffrent "physics" that theorically exist at that level. There might be some similarities at some level (I don't know for sure) but the C's have mentioned so many times that our "linear thinking" does not apply in higher relams such as 4D.

2) do they have empathy to each others as the souled humans have with their families or friends?

Considering what I've read so far, I would think not. I think that their "true nautre" is far more "horrible" than we can ever immagine. So perhaps they group up in order to have greater control on us and sustain their life but meanewhile, they might also very well fight in-between themselves because they all want to personally be the highest authority or something like that (ie. psychopaths trying to rule other psychopaths). I think that this is what it's all about for them. Total control over everything, including their own.

My thoughts so far. I could be wrong.

Peace.
 
I don't think the way they live and reproduce has anything to do with what we see on earth, partly because of the completely diffrent "physics" that theorically exist at that level. There might be some similarities at some level (I don't know for sure) but the C's have mentioned so many times that our "linear thinking" does not apply in higher relams such as 4D.

yeah i guess, that is why i ask this because i can't think how this kind of situations are in 4th density, maybe is similar like here or maybe is totally complex for me/us to understand! well at least i try hehehe

Considering what I've read so far, I would think not. I think that their "true nautre" is far more "horrible" than we can ever immagine. So perhaps they group up in order to have greater control on us and sustain their life but meanewhile, they might also very well fight in-between themselves because they all want to personally be the highest authority or something like that (ie. psychopaths trying to rule other psychopaths). I think that this is what it's all about for them. Total control over everything, including their own.

My thoughts so far. I could be wrong.

Possibly but some animals would see us like that too.. i mean the little we know about them is just their interaction with us (which is horrible and evil) but psychopaths don't have souls and they do (based on what the Cs say), maybe they have some kind of empathy different from what we know or they have similar empathy as a pathological individual would have... and remember they don't have beings ruling them from higher density because 4th is the ultimate density for a STS individual to exist. so don't know... although what i notice is that they act united, because i've read about them fighting STO or acting against them and the races below them but i haven't read about them fighting each other (could be that they don't have choice because of surviving) oh well.. i could be thinking about this in a very wrong way...

As I said before, maybe they are silly questions, but they could give us a little more insight into these monstrous beings..

i will add a third question.. and it came in my mind after watching this hurricane situation (Sandy), the Cs said that multiple battles in higher densities can be represented as storms, earthquakes or weather problems in our reality (all related to the wave too), they said also that STO and STS beings live in different realms, i don't know is this was asked before so.. the question: is there a possibility for a lizard being encounter a STO being like a kind of "face to face" or in a some similar way, ethereal or physically? (i know, my linear thinking again Lol but you know what i mean)

Have a nice day (or night) people!
 
irjO said:
Hello! these questions may sound silly or absurd, but just curious about the races who rule us from the 4th level STS the "lizards":

1) lizards babies are born in eggs like reptiles on this planet? or they reproduce and born in a different way in 4th density. (wich i have no idea how it is, except that there is physical variability)

From what the C's have said, imagine there being no time, no left/right, no genders and your thoughts become reality. Do you see how you may be thinking a little to linearly on this one?

2) do they have empathy to each others as the souled humans have with their families or friends?
As far as I understand it, the strongest and most intelligent make their way to the top. This is putting it in human terms, and obviously the dynamics would be much more complex 'up there', but it's basically a world populated by beings that have chosen to abandon truth/love and consciously follow service to self.. so have a guess.
The C's have also said that the Lizards are subordinate to even higher beings, further along the STS path, which resemble large humanoids in 'structure'.



As to your last question, this excerpt from the Ra sessions may be of some interest:
Law of One said:
25.4 Questioner: We shall now continue with the material from yesterday. You stated that about 3000 years ago the Orion group left due to Diaspora. Was the Confederation then able to make any progress after the Orion group left? Ra: I am Ra. For many of your centuries, both the Confederation and the Orion Confederation busied themselves with each other upon planes above your own, shall we say, planes in time/space whereby machinations were conceived and the armor of light girded on. Battles have been and are continuing to be fought upon these levels.

Upon the Earth plane, energies had been set in motion which did not cause a great deal of call. There were isolated instances of callings, one such taking place beginning approximately 2600 of your years in the past in what you would call Greece (at this time) and resulting in writings and understandings of some facets of the Law of One. We especially note the one known as Thales and the one known as Heraclitus, those being of the philosopher career, as you may call it, teaching their students. We also point out the understandings of the one known as Pericles.

At this time there was a limited amount of visionary information which the Confederation was allowed to telepathically impress. However, for the most part, during this time empires died and rose according to the attitudes and energies set in motion long ago, not resulting in strong polarization but rather in that mixture of the positive and the warlike or negative which has been characteristic of this final minor cycle of your beingness.
25.5 Questioner: You spoke of an Orion Confederation and of a battle being fought between the Confederation and the Orion Confederation. Is it possible to convey any concept of how this battle is fought?
Ra: I am Ra. Picture, if you will, your mind. Picture it then in total unity with all other minds of your society. You are then single-minded and that which is a weak electrical charge in your physical illusion is now an enormously powerful machine whereby thoughts may be projected as things.

In this endeavor the Orion group charges or attacks the Confederation arms with light. The result, a stand-off, as you would call it, both energies being somewhat depleted by this and needing to regroup; the negative depleted through failure to manipulate, the positive depleted through failure to accept that which is given.
25.6 Questioner: Could you amplify the meaning of what you mean by the “failure to accept that which is given?”
Ra: I am Ra. At the level of time/space at which this takes place in the form of what you may call thought-war, the most accepting and loving energy would be to so love those who wished to manipulate that those entities were surrounded, engulfed, and transformed by positive energies.

This, however, being a battle of equals, the Confederation is aware that it cannot, on equal footing, allow itself to be manipulated in order to remain purely positive, for then though pure it would not be of any consequence, having been placed by the so-called powers of darkness under the heel, as you may say.

It is thus that those who deal with this thought-war must be defensive rather than accepting in order to preserve their usefulness in service to others. Thusly, they cannot accept fully what the Orion Confederation wishes to give, that being enslavement. Thusly, some polarity is lost due to this friction and both sides, if you will, must then regroup.

It has not been fruitful for either side. The only consequence which has been helpful is a balancing of the energies available to this planet so that these energies have less necessity to be balanced in this space/time, thus lessening the chances of planetary annihilation.
25.7 Questioner: Does a portion of the Confederation then engage in this thought-battle? What percent engages?
Ra: I am Ra. This is the most difficult work of the Confederation. Only four planetary entities at any one time are asked to partake in this conflict.
25.8 Questioner: What density are these four planetary entities?
Ra: I am Ra. These entities are of the density of love, numbering four.
25.9 Questioner: Would an entity of this density be more effective for this work than an entity of density five or six?
Ra: I am Ra. The fourth density is the only density besides your own which, lacking the wisdom to refrain from battle, sees the necessity of the battle. Thus it is necessary that fourth-density social memory complexes be used.
25.10 Questioner: Am I correct in assuming that both the Confederation and the Orion group utilize only their fourth densities in this battle, and that the fifth and sixth densities of the Orion group do not engage in this?
Ra: I am Ra. This will be the last full question as this entity’s energies are low.

It is partially correct. Fifth- and sixth-density entities positive would not take part in this battle. Fifth-density negative would not take part in this battle. Thus, the fourth density of both orientations join in this conflict.

I also recommend reading High Strangeness if you haven't already.
 
I see! Thanks Carlise for the quote from RA.. It reminds me how complex and different the 4th density is..
 
irjO said:
I see! Thanks Carlise for the quote from RA.. It reminds me how complex and different the 4th density is..

Have you had the chance to read the Wave series yet, which can be found here? The information there answers a lot of questions you may have regarding the things Laura learned through her journey with the Cs.
 
irjO said:
i will add a third question.. and it came in my mind after watching this hurricane situation (Sandy), the Cs said that multiple battles in higher densities can be represented as storms, earthquakes or weather problems in our reality (all related to the wave too), they said also that STO and STS beings live in different realms, i don't know is this was asked before so.. the question: is there a possibility for a lizard being encounter a STO being like a kind of "face to face" or in a some similar way, ethereal or physically? (i know, my linear thinking again Lol but you know what i mean)

I've got a question or two: Does it really matter? How will knowing the answer to this question (which can only be speculative, given the nature of the subject) help you in your life and your development? Curiosity can be a wonderful thing, but sometimes it just leads to fruitless wiseacring. Kind of like, "how many angels can fit on the head of a pin?" Something to think about, perhaps.
 
Have you had the chance to read the Wave series yet, which can be found here? The information there answers a lot of questions you may have regarding the things Laura learned through her journey with the Cs.

Yes i did!
 
Approaching Infinity said:
irjO said:
i will add a third question.. and it came in my mind after watching this hurricane situation (Sandy), the Cs said that multiple battles in higher densities can be represented as storms, earthquakes or weather problems in our reality (all related to the wave too), they said also that STO and STS beings live in different realms, i don't know is this was asked before so.. the question: is there a possibility for a lizard being encounter a STO being like a kind of "face to face" or in a some similar way, ethereal or physically? (i know, my linear thinking again Lol but you know what i mean)

I've got a question or two: Does it really matter? How will knowing the answer to this question (which can only be speculative, given the nature of the subject) help you in your life and your development? Curiosity can be a wonderful thing, but sometimes it just leads to fruitless wiseacring. Kind of like, "how many angels can fit on the head of a pin?" Something to think about, perhaps.

This is very true, but there's no harm in a little fascination with what could be 'out there' to drive us along in our quest. This is the kind of stuff that got me interested in this network long before I ever grasped the Work. Taken to extremes though, it is of course a distraction.

And we should always take these descriptions with a pinch of salt, because we have no way of truly comprehending what it will be like in 4d until we're truly ready for it. They are just analogies that we can understand.
 
Carlise said:
Approaching Infinity said:
irjO said:
i will add a third question.. and it came in my mind after watching this hurricane situation (Sandy), the Cs said that multiple battles in higher densities can be represented as storms, earthquakes or weather problems in our reality (all related to the wave too), they said also that STO and STS beings live in different realms, i don't know is this was asked before so.. the question: is there a possibility for a lizard being encounter a STO being like a kind of "face to face" or in a some similar way, ethereal or physically? (i know, my linear thinking again Lol but you know what i mean)

I've got a question or two: Does it really matter? How will knowing the answer to this question (which can only be speculative, given the nature of the subject) help you in your life and your development? Curiosity can be a wonderful thing, but sometimes it just leads to fruitless wiseacring. Kind of like, "how many angels can fit on the head of a pin?" Something to think about, perhaps.

This is very true, but there's no harm in a little fascination with what could be 'out there' to drive us along in our quest.

The reality, though, is that it usually doesn't "drive" us in our quest, it distracts us from it.
 
The reality, though, is that it usually doesn't "drive" us in our quest, it distracts us from it.

Yes maybe, but sometimes curiosity drive us in paths that sometimes turns to be important ones, and with these questions as i said before they are kind of silly (or totally) (maybe not the correct ones?) but at least i would like to know a little bit more about the races who "control" us.. and i know this is all subjective.. but i've read questions in the transcripts that were "no important" or silly and ended being an important matter.. anyway sorry if i'm kind of creating noise with this! :huh:
 
irjO said:
i would like to know a little bit more about the races who "control" us..

From what I understand, it is far more important to try to understand how these beings operate on earth through psychopaths rather than trying to understand how they actually live in a 4D environment.

The thing is we have no way of really knowing and more so, we can't really say if a 4D really exists (to be objective). So why trying to understand something that we cannot understand by definition because of the current limitations of our awarness?

i know this is all subjective..

Hummm, I don't really agree with that. Why would you think so? I see a diffrence between establishing hypothesis that are based on data (like people do here) and assuming things out of the blue.

but i've read questions in the transcripts that were "no important" or silly and ended being an important matter.. anyway sorry if i'm kind of creating noise with this! :huh:

Yes. But the thing is that what you are asking is something that has been covered already (how it is in 4D). So if I may ask, why do you think that trying to anwser these questions could end up by being important or lead us to new important matter? And what makes you think we can get deeper into the matter despite the fact that it has been arleady established that we can't understand what 4D is like?

Anyhow, I think that you should just let it go and accept the fact that we can't anwser those questions and that there are other more important things to Work on (like ourselves for instance). There are countless questions bumping into my head but instead of making countless threads, I try to get the anwsers by doing some research and also try to filter the ones that matter and those who do not really. Great challenge but very helpful in developing critical and objective thinking.

My thoughts. I could be wrong as well.

Peace.
 
irjO said:
i would like to know a little bit more about the races who "control" us..

Just to keep in mind that we can't know for certain anything that the Cs tell us is true--it has to be backed up by research (they're the 10% inspiration to the 90% perspiration that has resulted in this school), so just because they might give some description of what the lizzies are like doesn't mean it's true.

It may also be the case that we simply can't understand some of the details about them. Imagine, for example, trying to explain a human (or even harder, the complications of humanity--including organic portals--in general) to a cow, or even an ant.

I can understand your curiosity in the question (there are plenty of things I'm curious about--including your question), but I don't think it's currently answerable with any degree of certainty, nor is it actually relevant to our situation.
 
It may also be the case that we simply can't understand some of the details about them. Imagine, for example, trying to explain a human (or even harder, the complications of humanity--including organic portals--in general) to a cow, or even an ant.

Good point! That could be very well the case!

Oh well.. I'm going to Project my curiosity on more important things more related to us then.
 
irjO said:
It may also be the case that we simply can't understand some of the details about them. Imagine, for example, trying to explain a human (or even harder, the complications of humanity--including organic portals--in general) to a cow, or even an ant.

Good point! That could be very well the case!

Oh well.. I'm going to Project my curiosity on more important things more related to us then.

Don't worry. Being curious isn't a bad thing per se. I've also wondered about what reproduction looks like in 4D. But the only sure thing is that we can't know for sure. So as in with many other questions, I put it into the "on hold" drawer in which they'll stay until the matter is brought back again with significative data (if that ever happens) or until I find more data by myself and analyse it as objectively as possible.

So the best advise I can give is to first try to determine what is that you need to concentrate on in order to help yourself. That is, imo, one of - if not THE - first step towards enlightment (Knowledge) and also service-to-others. I'm right in it as well and it ain't no easy thing. It's always done one step at a time. But each time I understand and apply a lesson, I feel a lot better and am able to understand even more things. :)

Take care!

Peace.
 

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