Dead Arms

lainey

The Living Force
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I just wanted to ask if any other members wake up in the morning with dead arms. It doesn't matter what mattress I sleep on or which position I sleep in I always wake up multiple times with no feeling in my arms. My shoulders click a lot and when my shiatsu teacher was showing me all the Makko Ho stretches I felt nothing during the Fire 2 (one for the arms), I could just stretch and stretch. If I sit too long in the same position they start going dead too but I guess that's normal.
It has gotten worse over the last two weeks. Is it just a circulation problem? I had a look online and someone mentioned carpal tunnel or low blood pressure or a mineral deficiency. I just wanted to network and see if anyone else had experienced the same and what it may symbolise if anything?
 
Do your hands get cold when your arms go numb? Also, you say there is a clicking sound in your shoulders. Have you gotten that checked out to see if there is some sort of damage or blockage in the nerve endings.

The article linked gives a brief description of an exercise you can do that will recirculate and restore sensation. According to the article, if it doesn't work then it may be something more serious and it's recommended you see a doctor.

_http://m.syvnews.com/lifestyles/health-med-fit/arm-and-hand-numbness-what-does-it-mean-and-is/article_5a81e540-ac77-11e2-8ea8-001a4bcf887a.html?mobile_touch=true
 
lainey said:
I just wanted to ask if any other members wake up in the morning with dead arms. It doesn't matter what mattress I sleep on or which position I sleep in I always wake up multiple times with no feeling in my arms. My shoulders click a lot and when my shiatsu teacher was showing me all the Makko Ho stretches I felt nothing during the Fire 2 (one for the arms), I could just stretch and stretch. If I sit too long in the same position they start going dead too but I guess that's normal.
It has gotten worse over the last two weeks. Is it just a circulation problem? I had a look online and someone mentioned carpal tunnel or low blood pressure or a mineral deficiency. I just wanted to network and see if anyone else had experienced the same and what it may symbolise if anything?

Hi Lainey,
I have had a very similar if not same issue for years. I have managed it with a strict Keto diet and regular chiropractic visits to tune up the joints in neck, spine and shoulders and release any pinched nerves. The diet has kept inflammation down as well as cool showers which have improved circulation.

My experience with the doctor would have ended up with surgery of the shoulders and another carpal tunnel op (had one over 20 yrs ago and it put me out of commission for months). I opted out of that.

As for the symbolic side of it, maybe I/you need to loosen our grip on some things that are really not in our best interest.Maybe its a control thing or holding on to unhelpful programmes.

FWIW
 
Hello Lainey, I'm sure the dead arms are a fairly common problem, I get them occasionally myself, and the arms tingle for a while until the circulation comes back.
I saw a doco once which described this problem.
Apparently the brachial artery goes between the ribs at one point, and it is possible that the ribs grow too much and squeeze the artery, cutting off the blood supply.
In a severe case, the solution is to chop a section out of one of the ribs to give the artery a bit more room. Instant relief!
If the circulation is cut off for too long, you could develop serious problems, up to and including gangrene.
In any case you probably need to get it checked by a health professional or two.
They would do a Doppler check with ultrasound on the blood flow.
 
lainey said:
It has gotten worse over the last two weeks. Is it just a circulation problem? I had a look online and someone mentioned carpal tunnel or low blood pressure or a mineral deficiency. I just wanted to network and see if anyone else had experienced the same and what it may symbolise if anything?

Well, yeah, it can be often due to nutritional or mineral deficiency. Not sure if you follow the diet, but making sure to have a lot of fatty goodness in a form of bone or meat broth may help with that probably, including supplementing with magnesium, etc.
 
My chiropractor told me that B vitamins were the key, especially B6. 50 to 100 mg of B6 was the key, but the other B vites are important also.
 
Yes I have exactly this problem. My right arm is almost daily numb and my hand is noticeably colder than my left. I have had long term lower spine issues (two badly compressed discs) that have spread to my neck (I find that when I try and turn my head left or right it will only go as far as parallel to my shoulders). I can date this particularly problem to a visit to a chiropractor who whilst attempting to deal with my lower spine problems did something critical to my neck from which I have never since recovered. Ever since my right arm has slowly become less and less sensitive, with nerve tingles for a few years that has now turned to increasing numbness (I have to say that from experience I find the 'bone crunching' approach of chiropractors far from helpful when compared to the more holistic and un-invasive approach of osteopathy). I hitherto assumed it was structural; thank you Laura and others for comments re diet and supplements. I will look further into it.
 
Michael BC said:
Yes I have exactly this problem. My right arm is almost daily numb and my hand is noticeably colder than my left. I have had long term lower spine issues (two badly compressed discs) that have spread to my neck (I find that when I try and turn my head left or right it will only go as far as parallel to my shoulders). I can date this particularly problem to a visit to a chiropractor who whilst attempting to deal with my lower spine problems did something critical to my neck from which I have never since recovered. Ever since my right arm has slowly become less and less sensitive, with nerve tingles for a few years that has now turned to increasing numbness (I have to say that from experience I find the 'bone crunching' approach of chiropractors far from helpful when compared to the more holistic and un-invasive approach of osteopathy). I hitherto assumed it was structural; thank you Laura and others for comments re diet and supplements. I will look further into it.

Well, I disagree about chiropractic vs osteopathy. You didn't give it a fair chance or had a less than effective therapist. I can swear by chiropractic. Combined with massage therapy, it beats osteopathy hands down.
 
Yes Laura I was aware from many of your previous posts that you have had very successful experience with chiropractors. I think my personal concerns (and that is all they are) come from having had two bad experiences out of two. The first when I was a teenager when the problems first arose, and he made them significantly worse, and then the one referred to above, which again made things dramatically worse. Twice bitten, etc. As always it’s a case of the quality of the practitioner and possibly I have been just plain unlucky. I have seen two very fine holistic osteopaths over the years and found they literally kept me upright (when the back 'goes' I am effectively paralysed and can spend days utterly immobile - and I dread it!) Either of these practitioners I refer to could actual get me upright and functioning with a single session and so I suppose the trust in that is what I have based my preferences on. I actually found a key solution myself - sleep with a cushion between my knees. Since doing that first about 8 years ago, apart from some rumbles and discomfort, I have kept the worst at bay. Anyhow, I will take your advice on board and explore further. Thank you.
 
I suffered from that for years as a teenager, and it paralleled sleep paralysis.
It seems to be seasonal, and may be related to blood sugar and how much light is getting into your room at night (also how late you go to bed).
Adrenal fatigue may also be part of it.

Have you changed anything in the last few weeks? New supplements/routine/stress?
Are you sleeping in complete darkness? How late do you go to bed/how many hours sleep do you get?
How long before bed do you eat?

I'd add to the suggestion of B vitamins.
 
Laura said:
My chiropractor told me that B vitamins were the key, especially B6. 50 to 100 mg of B6 was the key, but the other B vites are important also.

Yes, a good B complex vitamin is a essential for nerve support. My family doctor suggested this to me when I was suffering from tingling in arms and legs. I've read that you shouldn't take over 200 mg of B6 per day, so 50 - 100 mg is a good dosage range to stay within. Also, 100mg of alpha-lipoic acid is good support for the microcirculation of nerves.
 
If you sit before the computer too much and have been using the same chair and bed for years, your cervical spinal nerves and those at the height below your shoulder blades could be compressed.

Holding your arms too much in front of you during long hours of sitting at the computer, every day, creates the classic "hole" in your spine. The muscles strain to hold your disks in an unnatural position causing spine nerves to compress.

- Change your chair, if you can, buy a new one, that provides a perfect flat sitting surface, (no tilting seat!: in some chairs' the front end of the seat bends upwards pressing / closing the blood vessels in your legs). Buy an adjustable height chair that supports your spine well or get special chairs.

- Buy a nice hard bed, maybe a coconut mattress, as thick as your palm held at its side (couple of inches) to measure thickness and not more. That will nicely hold your spine straight, your body won't "sink in" at the buttocks like soft beds allow, while you are sleeping. You can put a "door" or wooden plank underneath to further stabilize sleeping position.

I lessened my symptoms by:
- employing a two inch thick sitting sponge with folded clothing underneath and this padding changes position daily on my chair. There are special chairs for holding your spine in a natural position.
- hanging by the arms on a heavy stable platform, during resistance exercise training, and shaking my body by pulling myself up a tiny bit quickly and releasing the body "to fall" - remaining hanging of course - causing the spine to straighten and the disks hopefully loosened. Hospitals do some similar therapy by hanging people by their skull / jaw bones in a special frame, so their almost full body weight pulls on the spine [compressed disks go apart]
- I strengthen my back and sixpack/torso/chest muscles by doing athletics:
- lying on my belly and doing a set of inverse situps with legs swinging freely (and also normal situps)
- hanging (by the hands only) on same platform and pulling up both feet so they touch the steel pipe I'm hanging on. Pull-ups. Fully straightening up during athletic frog jumps = also bending my spine backwards while at the "top" of the frog jump in the air
- "jumping" push ups: holding classic push-up position, going down just a bit (to spare my shoulder joints) then propelling my whole body upward somewhat, so both legs and hands leave the ground and the body "jumps up" a little into the air. This strengthens the back and torso.
- STRETCHING!! Also bending back from kneeling position and lying down with lower legs underneath or beside the body
- spending time before the computer monitor I squat, kneel or stand as well, while working or reading or watching something.
- taking time for walks
- magnesium, 5 HTP and GABA before sleep, to loosen muscles
- when I feel I got stuck in the old, normal sitting position again and notice my spine getting awkward, I immediately change sitting position - turn sideways or put one leg on the seat, so the whole spine position changes and with it which disks hold my sitting weight also. This way the unnatural position cannot continue to the point of finger and arm pain, numbness.

There are many different spinal conditions that can cause nerve (root) compression.

_http://www.healthhype.com/arm-numbness-tingling-hands-and-fingers.html
_http://www.healthhype.com/causes-of-tingling-and-numbness-paresthesia.html
 
Another possibility to consider is the muscles in your neck, upper back and shoulders. Mine can get tight from stress or activity, and when they do they start pinching the nerves. My fingers start tingling and then going numb and/or aching. Regular massage and stretching help relieve my symptoms.

I also have what's called a Thera Cane to help reach and massage tight knots myself for short-term relief. You can find them on Amazon. Another trick is to press a tennis ball between your affected muscle and a wall, then wiggle around a little to massage the spot.

If you can manage a trip to a physical therapist, they can teach you a routine of stretches and strengthening exercises to help target problem areas long-term.
 
Laura
Re: Dead Arms
« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2015, 03:06:04 PM »

Quote from: Michael BC on June 14, 2015, 02:57:32 PM

Yes I have exactly this problem. My right arm is almost daily numb and my hand is noticeably colder than my left. I have had long term lower spine issues (two badly compressed discs) that have spread to my neck (I find that when I try and turn my head left or right it will only go as far as parallel to my shoulders). I can date this particularly problem to a visit to a chiropractor who whilst attempting to deal with my lower spine problems did something critical to my neck from which I have never since recovered. Ever since my right arm has slowly become less and less sensitive, with nerve tingles for a few years that has now turned to increasing numbness (I have to say that from experience I find the 'bone crunching' approach of chiropractors far from helpful when compared to the more holistic and un-invasive approach of osteopathy). I hitherto assumed it was structural; thank you Laura and others for comments re diet and supplements. I will look further into it.

Well, I disagree about chiropractic vs osteopathy. You didn't give it a fair chance or had a less than effective therapist. I can swear by chiropractic. Combined with massage therapy, it beats osteopathy hands down.

I have had excellent results with both chiropractors and osteopaths. As always, a really good practitioner is necessary to get the best results from any type of therapy. Also, I think it depends on the type of repair needed and how much soft tissue problems are involved, like fascia, ligaments, and tendons, as to deciding on which type of help to seek.

I think a bad chiropractor can do more damage than a bad osteopath--who will just take your money--ouch!
 
Wow, thanks guys!! Brilliant advice. I'm actually waiting for some B vitamins to arrive so hopefully that will make a difference. I'm on the ketogenic diet and have just started the anti candida protocol. I've never had any bad symptoms only abdominal bloating so I've started taking organic coconut oil (3 tbs a day) and pau d'arco which coincides with the symptoms in my arms getting worse so it could well be part of the die off. I've also started journaling about things I have observed about myself and my feelings during that day so maybe I can uncover any programmes that it's time to let go of.
Thanks again shellycheval, Straycat, lilies, Lilou, Redfox, Michael BC, Laura, Keit, MusicMan, stellar and Turgon.
I'm going to read all your replies again and I'll let you know how I get on with the various bits and bobs.
Thanks again :)
 
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