Deep Thoughts (well, for me, anyway)

[PopHistorian]

I've been thinking about all these supposed "rays of light" that people tout as helping to "wake people up," many containing portions of truth. There are many recent films like Zeitgeist, Loose Change, America: From Freedom to Fascism; dozens of recent books exposing government deception and horrifying secret agendas; talkers like Watt, Icke, Tsarion; the underground radio networks and their colorful hosts and investigators; various whistle-blowing writers and columnists on the web, etc., etc. It seems there are lots of places to turn if one wants to find a stepping stone out of mainstream manipulation and towards truth (with or without disinfo added) and growth of awareness about political reality, which is all about how some people exert control over others.

But, does any of this indicate a real, true awakening, as some people call it? A spreading of light, as the New Agers call it? I ask because virtually none of these sources (SOTT excepted, for reasons that will become clear in a second) address the STS nature of all of us alive here on the BBM. There's a very clear "us vs. them" dynamic in all of this, which is okay (basically true, IMO) in the sense of us peasants vs. them pathocrats, but what does recognition of one's imprisonment do for one's soul? What does railing against the pathocracy do for one's soul? What does placing blame for the predicament of the masses on the pathocracy do for one's soul? How many of these sources that tell us who's in control recognize that the desire to control is itself the real "sin"? Do any of these sources address anything beyond the first impulse of recognizing slavery, which is to "fight back" in some unspecified way? Without addressing the STS nature of everyone and without suggesting some kind of work to improve the self, to advance towards positive polarity personally, to understand natural (deontological) ethics, to grow conscience and empathy, does any of this simple recognition that we're hading towards global, fascist totalitarianism lead to real progress in terms of soul growth?

So, I ask, is all of this indicative of any real awakening at all? It just struck me (my apologies to others who've already had these thoughts) that the PTB may not give a hoot about the spread of any of this supposed awakening, and is perfectly happy to let it continue (while duly providing the appearance of trying to suppress it) because 4D STS knows that they don't have to, because none it cuts close enough to the heart of the matter, which I'll call helping people toward STO candidacy.

Is this too pessimistic? I'm not saying that I've arrived at this viewpoint, only that it struck me recently as possibly a worst-case scenario for the times. If the worst does come to pass, then I would certainly guess that the real learning opportunity would be far too big to ignore, and would start to work. And I wonder if this thought is related to what the C's said, something along the lines of (I can't find the quote), if a global totalitarian order became overt, it wouldn't last very long -- people wouldn't let it, presumably because enough of us would finally "get it."

Thoughts enthusiastically welcomed.

 

[Locksmith]

Hello AdPop,

I offer a humble assessment of my own experience, which mostly derives from that before becoming aware of Ponerology; something I am still very new to.

I have for many years most definitely had an ever increasing awareness of a despotic, centralized force at work against most of us. I once termed it the elite, international bankers, and more recently just international elite. I now recognize from my short time at SOTT just how intuitive the concepts of Ponerology are to me, and that the despots are much more pervasive that I once thought.

You have posed a few questions and invite replies. I wish to make my simple answers as best I can at this point in my own enlightenment, but please do understand that I am far from a deep understanding of Ponerology. So, here goes.

AdPop asks and/or poses:

1. But, does any of this indicate a real, true awakening, as some people call it?

2. [snip] but what does recognition of one's imprisonment do for one's soul?
AND
[snip] does any of this simple recognition that we're hading towards global, fascist totalitarianism lead to real progress in terms of soul growth?

3. What does placing blame for the predicament of the masses on the pathocracy do for one's soul?

4. How many of these sources that tell us who's in control recognize that the desire to control is itself the real "sin"?

5. Do any of these sources address anything beyond the first impulse of recognizing slavery, which is to "fight back" in some unspecified way?

My answers/thoughts are numbered as in the above quote.

1. I think that it does as just to start a great number of people suspecting that they don't really understand the fog in which they have been, and continue to reside in can only be viewed as a positive step. Granted, that's a long, long way from a general recognition of the real structure (psychopaths operating globally within pathocracies, and perhaps with one super one over all the others). But, at least it is a first step and with that comes hope that just perhaps not all is lost.

2. It provides us with the hope and real possibility that given enough time we may be able to educate many, many others as to precisely who the "THEM" are and how their strengths and weaknesses differ from our own. When enough of us "sane" folks possess that knowledge, I would think that the other 20% or so would start looking for caves to hide in. I think that hope will uplift the soul. I also believe that good will eventually overcome evil; something also uplifting to the soul.

3. None. We must, of course, realize that it is us, collectively throughout the generations, who are to blame for letting "them" ascend into positions of control over us. I view that as a painful necessity on the road to recovery.

4. Sadly, not very many ever get around to even conjuring up that thought. So, they are just shifting the sands -- some even intentionally to mislead us. But still, perhaps even that does some good in the very long run by edging some sleepers toward some "ah hah" moment which must occur.

5. Very, very few to none that I am aware outside SOTT. And, I might add that most I am aware of are really STS by encouraging others to go do their fighting. Some are in it for the money, others to intentionally mislead, and many are sincerely trying to help from within their frameworks of understanding. But, you are right, they don't have many substantive answers and often just point us from one useless governmental body to another. The sincere ones need to know about, and study at SOTT. And, I do realize that SOTT has been making overtures to many of them in an attempt to get them to do that very thing.


I would add that aside from the media outlets who broach this subject, we should all be passing what messages we can on to friends and relative "ad naseum." This personal expression is perhaps the best one available to us. Most will start to tune you out, but the ones who know your credibility, even though bored, will nevertheless take some minuscule notice. And, they do add up over time. Once friends and relatives are awake even a little we can start sending them to SOTT links. And so the process may evolve.

Then again, there may not be enough time left before the psychos take draconian action. But, I think we must keep striving to learn and enlighten others. Even if the hammer falls all over the world, there will remnants of this knowledge and our hope that will live in future generations. I view even this faint hope as STO.

 

[j0da]

It just struck me (my apologies to others who've already had these thoughts) that the PTB may not give a hoot about the spread of any of this supposed awakening, and is perfectly happy to let it continue (while duly providing the appearance of trying to suppress it) because 4D STS knows that they don't have to, because none it cuts close enough to the heart of the matter, which I'll call helping people toward STO candidacy.

This would be one of the most sophisticated and refined "damage control" operations, originating from high above 3D power centers - from 4D STS, as you say. That is one way to look at it, imho.

The other way to look would be to treat those sources similarily to false esoteric schools, which although spread a mix of truth, partial truths and lies, serve as a relay points for honest truth seekers, who after many "stumbles" in false schools finally reach the door of REAL SCHOOL.

 

[vinny]

adpop, I've thought about a similar thing.

because, if it wasn't for some of these so called 'dead ends' I would never have found the cassiopaean stuff... or would I?

My thinking at the moment goes like this: This dead end 'conspiracy talk' and all its variants is a necessary double-edged sword - it can act as a wake-up spark, and then for those people with the necessary drive/impulse for the truth will treat it as a 'phase' and will eventually find it wanting, and will move onwards. and other people will not, and in fact will buy deeper into the illusion, from that SAME information that others eventually reject. So, I don't think it is necessarily a sign of 'more awakening' in society in general -but as things get more extreme, it can act as a 'polarizer' and accelerate the progress 'one way or the other' by having this more widespread catalyst.

lets put it this way - these 'fake/partial' sources ARE useful, in the same way that perhaps a disastrous marriage or oppressive religious regime might be useful! It's not the thing in itself, but the potential process that gets kick-started by it, as LONG as it doesn't end up being the final destination:

we couldn't get 'here' without travelling through 'there', and part of the risk of going 'there' is that we MAY not be able to find our way 'here' from 'there'! how does that sound? ;)

 

[ScioAgapeOmnis]

Some thoughts fwiw,

So, I ask, is all of this indicative of any real awakening at all? It just struck me (my apologies to others who've already had these thoughts) that the PTB may not give a hoot about the spread of any of this supposed awakening, and is perfectly happy to let it continue (while duly providing the appearance of trying to suppress it) because 4D STS knows that they don't have to, because none it cuts close enough to the heart of the matter, which I'll call helping people toward STO candidacy.

I think we have to consider the element of wishful thinking here as well. The PTB may be smart and aware of many things, but their assessment of the situation is in many ways bound to be distorted by their wishful thinking. So just because some source is allowed to exist is not *always* an indication that it is a false/cointelpro source that does not touch the heart of the matter - SOTT being a case in point. The difficulty for a group to be a source that touches on the heart of the matter isn't entirely due to PTB's efforts to lead astray, it is also because it's simply difficult to get to the heart of the matter - after all, it is one of the final lessons of this density, and as such, it's naturally just not so easy to realize and understand.

In part that is of course because of PTB's efforts, but in part it is because it requires the work on self, something that practically all groups and individuals tend to not even consider. And this leads me into your other point, that these "truth groups" are created with the "us vs them" dynamic instead of "real me vs ponerized me, PLUS the us vs them". Psychopaths just took advantage of our own ignorance of ourselves, which alread existed before they ever came. They could not have done so if we were not already asleep and STS and full of wishful thinking. Their existence is a natural consequence of our state of awareness/understanding. So learning about them is not enough, not without learning about the reason they could exist and do what they do in the first place.

Having said that, psychopaths ARE the cause of almost all the misery in the world, if you ignore the fact that our own ignorance is really the cause of psychopaths in the first place. If all the people are blissfully ignorant as they are now but you remove psychopaths, the world really will be a much less painful place - but whether that is good or not is an open question, considering the catalyst psychopaths present for shocks and learning. As such, the pathocracy is like the "petty tyrant", but on a global scale. It serves its purpose to both control and inflict pain and suffering, which in turn creates catalyst for accelerated awakening in those that are able to do so. It seems to be a sort of eternal dynamic in the universe - you get what you ask for, and you "ask" by all your knowledge and actions. After all, all there is is lessons, and the universe does not disappoint in delivering them.

 

[Johnno]

I suppose it's one of those instances of "As above so below."

I see it, as if one learns the "objective truth" about the world without one can apply it over time to the world within. The artificially created guys are at the wheel in both cases.

 

[Meg]

So, I ask, is all of this indicative of any real awakening at all? It just struck me (my apologies to others who've already had these thoughts) that the PTB may not give a hoot about the spread of any of this supposed awakening, and is perfectly happy to let it continue (while duly providing the appearance of trying to suppress it) because 4D STS knows that they don't have to, because none it cuts close enough to the heart of the matter, which I'll call helping people toward STO candidacy.

Great questions. There seem to be a lot of people who want to awaken, but run into the disinfo sites and stay there.
The STS control system and the PTB are powerful and set things up way in advance to divert and distract the seeker internally and externally. Understanding and accepting that we are in a controlled system is a tough pill to swallow. I just finished reading The Adventure series which shows the system in action perfectly! The PTB probably doesn’t give a hoot. In the face of what the control system can do, who will fight back? And for how long? I think they are just playing the odds fwiw.

 

[Mike]

Without addressing the STS nature of everyone and without suggesting some kind of work to improve the self, to advance towards positive polarity personally, to understand natural (deontological) ethics, to grow conscience and empathy, does any of this simple recognition that we're hading towards global, fascist totalitarianism lead to real progress in terms of soul growth?

I don't think it necessarily leads to soul growth, but maybe the first step is to realize what the situation is and then that can lead a person to seek some answers of how we got to this point. If a person doesn't look at themself and gets caught up in fighting based on some emotion based program, then doesn't seem to solve anything. The psychopaths use our emotions against us and funnel it toward their aims.

 

[Ruth]

It just struck me (my apologies to others who've already had these thoughts) that the PTB may not give a hoot about the spread of any of this supposed awakening, and is perfectly happy to let it continue (while duly providing the appearance of trying to suppress it) because 4D STS knows that they don't have to, because none it cuts close enough to the heart of the matter, which I'll call helping people toward STO candidacy.

STS can't SEE STO, you could say their 'vision' is clouded by wishful thinking and assumptions. That kind of leaves the field open for STO 'operations'.

So, I guess you could say that STO could operate very easily within the context of the STS framework - as long as it didn't become 'visible' and/or 'targeted or infected by STS thinking. I think this actually happens and explains why we are not the ultimate 'destination' of STS (i.e. a black hole). :)

It is my opinion that we are all STO candidates and then we are faced with a choice to become either STO or STS. What 'turns' us STO? Well one option would be if the majority of this planets inhabitants were to become STO then.... we'd all be STO - by default..... instead of STS - by default.

I think it would be very hard to AWAKE anybody who didn't SEE. And because of wishful thinking and assumptions 4D STS simply isn't aware that this can happen... in their own back yard.

 

[Tigersoap]

So, I ask, is all of this indicative of any real awakening at all? It just struck me (my apologies to others who've already had these thoughts) that the PTB may not give a hoot about the spread of any of this supposed awakening, and is perfectly happy to let it continue (while duly providing the appearance of trying to suppress it) because 4D STS knows that they don't have to, because none it cuts close enough to the heart of the matter, which I'll call helping people toward STO candidacy.

I am maybe too pessimistic but I never believed that any revolution or political awakening of the masses could solve anything in the long term.
What if the pathocracy at large is overthrown ?
It seems to me that history has proven that it always benefited the "other side".
I think this relate to the hysteroidal cycle, lobaczewski talks about.
It would only make way for a new generation of deviants to slowly infiltrate the new born society.

Without true esoteric work nothing will be gained but this is where it's difficult to "share" this point of view with other people imho. It has to come from a deep place within you.
A global fascist order might be the shock needed for some people to awake though.
9/11 for example was for me the tipping point but I guess I was already prepared to look further for "truth".

To me the pathocracy is like the outside pain we all want to stop but you will also have to confront your inner pain as well because that's where another battle awaits you, but that's where most people stop short, turn away and prefer to go back to merry dreams.

Maybe that's why they don't care, because the true hope is to fight the predator within you at first and at the same time confront the pathocracy.
Not everyone wants to face his own demons and the ones knocking at your door.
They're giving you the illusion that you're doing something against them but you haven't tackled the real job yet.
Yourself.

My two euro cents.

 

[Z...]

I am maybe too pessimistic but I never believed that any revolution or political awakening of the masses could solve anything in the long term.
What if the pathocracy at large is overthrown ?

These are exactly my thoughts, I think I even expressed them on the thread about film children of men.
Revolution has to happen on individual level, that the only way out

my maltese one cent

 

[Mr. Premise]

Hi AdPop,

I would say that seeing things as they really are is what is good for soul growth. Railing at things probably isn't.

Seeing things as close as possible as they are helps to collapse the range of quantum possiblities to a more well-ordered state, if I understand Ark's statement on this right. Especially during a time of transition from one state to another.

As above, so below, meaning that our soul can collapse to a more ordered one the more we see things accurately.

Great questions!

But, does any of this indicate a real, true awakening, as some people call it? A spreading of light, as the New Agers call it? I ask because virtually none of these sources (SOTT excepted, for reasons that will become clear in a second) address the STS nature of all of us alive here on the BBM. There's a very clear "us vs. them" dynamic in all of this, which is okay (basically true, IMO) in the sense of us peasants vs. them pathocrats, but what does recognition of one's imprisonment do for one's soul? What does railing against the pathocracy do for one's soul? What does placing blame for the predicament of the masses on the pathocracy do for one's soul? How many of these sources that tell us who's in control recognize that the desire to control is itself the real "sin"? Do any of these sources address anything beyond the first impulse of recognizing slavery, which is to "fight back" in some unspecified way? Without addressing the STS nature of everyone and without suggesting some kind of work to improve the self, to advance towards positive polarity personally, to understand natural (deontological) ethics, to grow conscience and empathy, does any of this simple recognition that we're hading towards global, fascist totalitarianism lead to real progress in terms of soul growth?

So, I ask, is all of this indicative of any real awakening at all?

 

[Ominous]

I suppose its ultimately up to the person as to whether or not growth takes place. For example, I went thru many websites B4 I landed here at Cass. I had criteria. I wasn't going to take a site seriously if: the site was literally selling its info, making $; there was a know it all guru, a "Chosen One;" or if they dealt in absolutes (only a Sith does that!). Each is responsible for their own growth, I'd say. Its a tricky/sticky web out here.

 

[Ryan]

There's a very clear "us vs. them" dynamic in all of this, which is okay (basically true, IMO) in the sense of us peasants vs. them pathocrats, but what does recognition of one's imprisonment do for one's soul? What does railing against the pathocracy do for one's soul? What does placing blame for the predicament of the masses on the pathocracy do for one's soul? How many of these sources that tell us who's in control recognize that the desire to control is itself the real "sin"? Do any of these sources address anything beyond the first impulse of recognizing slavery, which is to "fight back" in some unspecified way? Without addressing the STS nature of everyone and without suggesting some kind of work to improve the self, to advance towards positive polarity personally, to understand natural (deontological) ethics, to grow conscience and empathy, does any of this simple recognition that we're hading towards global, fascist totalitarianism lead to real progress in terms of soul growth?

I'm far from certain that I've got any objective answers for you here Ad, so here's the way I currently see it:

True, deep introspection is such a horrifying process that it is very unlikely that the masses of people will ever "wake up" in time to do anything about the plans of 4D STS, the overlords of this reality. The sheer depth and layers of the programming that people are subjected to is overwhelming. If one organically "groks" this concept, then a choice is presented. We can either turn away from the whole mess and try to avoid, conquer or "shut out" reality (which is STS, and - let's face it - doesn't work because reality is quite insistent), or we can keep putting one foot in front of the other, moving forward towards a hypothesized goal of which we have absolutely no right to ever expect results from in the linear sense.

This is a complete affront to the "normal" reason and "cost/benefit" approach that average human beings operate upon. Why do something for which there is not absolutely guaranteed some form of payoff, even if that payoff is something as nebulous and quietly egotistical as "being right"?

There is a price demanded by the Universe for those who wish to follow the STO path. The price is nothing less than one's whole concept of "Self", which is unfortunately all that most people really have, and they cling to it with a vice-like grip the more they are confronted with the objective facts of their slavery. People are so identified with their False selves that they are afraid to give them up, lest there be nothing found underneath - which is also a real possibility.

Where is the "guaranteed payoff" there? It seems more like a crazed gamble - "everything on 'Red', spin the wheel please".

But it is really the only gamble worth making, because the prize is True, unconditional Love. And this is the one thing that the Matrix Reality can never provide, no matter the subtlety and cleverness of its imitations. If one wishes to Know Love, there can be no other choice. And realizing this is not enough - one must act upon it.

Well, that's how I see it at the moment, anyway, and there's a very high probability I have no real Understanding of which I speak. For this, I apologise in advance.

 

[the rabbit]

Well my thoughts on it all is that yes first we have to recognise that all are STS , body centric, concerned only with what we label as being "OURS" and so on. YET within a great number of us there is an innate feeling , or a wishing for something more , something more meaningful.

I would hazard a guess and say we as a people have to learn that sacrifice is the way to go ,and I mean by sacrifice a letting go of what really does not bennefit us All. Its weird ive just seen it like this;

The really really bad dudes and dudesses sacrifice / let go of any good they have/had , in the attempt to get what they think will feed there own personal illusions, dreams , desires and so on in this life time.

While we chase these illusory prizes time passes , we age and our lives end ,potential of progress for oneself and others has passed us by. There in our thoughts there is the answer to ending this nonsense ,some would call it idealism, and it remains idealism because it is never truly tried. On an individual basis we can make the decision to go with this and attempt to progress on an individual basis.

Here the poem by Robert Frost springs to mind "The road less traveled "

_http://www.amandashome.com/road.html

The answer most of the time is to walk away , to not take part in that which sustains the illusion machine, to not go through the institutions, to put our children through the education systems that have failed us with static knowledge , untruthful, because we are forbidden truth , to turn away from the approved media and information chanells , and so on.

Though it is not easy , because the system is designed to contain, and to place fear within the hearts of those who attempt this , make laws about refusing to send children through its institutions. And yet We are the system and if the majority would only refuse what could the system do?

People would say to this, but what next if we do this what would happen?

My answer would be I dont know, but it can not be any worse than THIS that we have now can it, what we have always had because of our denied access to growth, knowledge, and truth of who and what we could possibly be.

I leap here to another thought. It hits hard home when one realizes that one has to apply to the govt for a licence to broadcast TV and radio into peoples homes, cars, workspaces etc. THEY decide what is allowed through Another dead end. The film "They Live "springs to mind .

So this existence on this particular planet can be seen as a prison, which it is, or a really large school , which it is also. One can view it as one, the other, or both, and as other things besides, pardise, hell and so on.

If one has the bravery, the heart, the courage ,the insight to make an individual choice to not play the game on offer then who knows where this can lead. Maybe towards others who have also made this initial choice also, and so on and so on.

One thing is for sure, ALL approach the door known to us humans as death and so people are here to live as if there is no tomorrow, or build and work to create one. Or even hide away refusing to even make a decision one way or the other, afraid or fence sitters.To me the world at present is performing as if the first, with plenty of the latter thrown in.

My response to the questions raised.