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Tuatha de Danaan

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True to nature? I'd gladly try to stop Hitler etc, even if it somehow stops people from learning lessons.

Anyway, who says the lessons had to be learned that way? What we know about these "karmic lessons" is not exactly clear. They actually sound quite limited and linear. What is non-linear? Exactly what Joe said- to jump in to save a kid on instinct/automatic reaction. My point to him was that a lot of things are not as STO as we think. There's little to no free will involved when the "low road" brain wiring takes over and you decide to save a child drowning (despite the huge risk), or go back in time to stop a horrible event.

The work itself dictates that the worst thing to do is lying to oneself, correct? I can't lie that I would do things out of anger. According to the ideals of STO, that's pure STS. Well, at least I don't lie to myself about it. Or maybe some people don't feel that anger for injustice? If so, I envy them, because feeling angry about the BS going on in the world is not fun. It sucks!

Well, to think that a police officer or you or me jumped into a river to save a child because we were STO is the same hero worship that runs all over religious and war heroes. This is the exact thing that angered me, this childish idealistic view that only good would do it. Maybe I'd kill Hitler because I knew he was a part of the system that lead to the current semi-fascism around the world. Maybe someone else does it because their family died in the holocaust. Any one of us really STO? No.

Hello DBZ

You say .........even if it stops someone from learning lessons. Sounds very much like RIGHTOUS ANGER but more I feel as indignation & rage. Pure gut reaction. I really apologise if this is not the case, I'm just stating what I get from reading the above.

It sucks ,yes, and it scares the life out of me but living in the West I have never been tested unlike some on this forum. I feel I may be tested in the coming future and I quoted Joe's comment as something I could work on that would, maybe, hopefully help me and temper my reactions.

Sorry if I created noise.
 

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True to nature? I'd gladly try to stop Hitler etc, even if it somehow stops people from learning lessons.

Anyway, who says the lessons had to be learned that way? What we know about these "karmic lessons" is not exactly clear. They actually sound quite limited and linear. What is non-linear? Exactly what Joe said- to jump in to save a kid on instinct/automatic reaction. My point to him was that a lot of things are not as STO as we think. There's little to no free will involved when the "low road" brain wiring takes over and you decide to save a child drowning (despite the huge risk), or go back in time to stop a horrible event.

The work itself dictates that the worst thing to do is lying to oneself, correct? I can't lie that I would do things out of anger. According to the ideals of STO, that's pure STS. Well, at least I don't lie to myself about it. Or maybe some people don't feel that anger for injustice? If so, I envy them, because feeling angry about the BS going on in the world is not fun. It sucks!

Well, to think that a police officer or you or me jumped into a river to save a child because we were STO is the same hero worship that runs all over religious and war heroes. This is the exact thing that angered me, this childish idealistic view that only good would do it. Maybe I'd kill Hitler because I knew he was a part of the system that lead to the current semi-fascism around the world. Maybe someone else does it because their family died in the holocaust. Any one of us really STO? No.
You are not making any sense. You are obviously talking around an issue without addressing it directly, and nitpicking on things that are not really the issue. For the record, no one said saving someone on instinct was "STO", but that there can be instances in life where someone does something that is not consciously done in expectation of reward. Now, would you like to tell us what is really bothering you? Because this 'point scoring' game you are playing is not helping anyone.
 

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Sorry if I created noise.
There's no need for you to apologize, and you are correct it seems, although DBZ's anger is not "righteous", it is simply anger and frustration because life is not the way he wants it to be. Pursuing and indulging that perspective is a dead end street, but DBZ is insisting on learning that the hard way, or so it seems.
 

yumi

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You are not making any sense. You are obviously talking around an issue without addressing it directly, and nitpicking on things that are not really the issue. For the record, no one said saving someone on instinct was "STO", but that there can be instances in life where someone does something that is not consciously done in expectation of reward. Now, would you like to tell us what is really bothering you? Because this 'point scoring' game you are playing is not helping anyone.
Well, it helps me....
to perceive instinct as a STS tendency in an STS environment.
and then fighting, that can be learned
 

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Even if the warrior instinct exists by itself, it nevertheless clings to rational motives (Bergson, Deux sources, 1932, p. 307)
Yumi, please be considerate to others when posting. Just posting a quote from someone else in this context is not adding to the discussion. It is noise. You have been posting a lot of one-liners and random thoughts without context. We consider that to be noise, and if you continue to post noise you will be banned.
 

Divide by Zero

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You are not making any sense. You are obviously talking around an issue without addressing it directly, and nitpicking on things that are not really the issue. For the record, no one said saving someone on instinct was "STO", but that there can be instances in life where someone does something that is not consciously done in expectation of reward. Now, would you like to tell us what is really bothering you? Because this 'point scoring' game you are playing is not helping anyone.


There's no need for you to apologize, and you are correct it seems, although DBZ's anger is not "righteous", it is simply anger and frustration because life is not the way he wants it to be. Pursuing and indulging that perspective is a dead end street, but DBZ is insisting on learning that the hard way, or so it seems.


By definition of doing a thing on instinct means that it was done without conscious thought. I mentioned the low road from the wave. That's the part of the brain that acts, without us choosing, only to later "fill in the blanks" with a reason why. The split brain experiments show the same issue with reasoning and choice.

You replied to me when I asked what exactly is STO, when we do things and choose to work hard on what we want. Forgive me but I was raised catholic and when I felt the need to question why we do things, the response of "doing good for the sake of good" was pretty much the same thing.

Maybe I'm dissapointed when I can't pose a doubt without being told that.
Of course, I'm upset about life. Why would that be a question here in the first place? If anyone was satisfied with the way things were on earth, they wouldn't be here. They would remain catholics, jews, muslims, etc. We're here because we want a better world. Did you give up your career in your home country because it was the fun thing to do?
 

yumi

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Yumi, please be considerate to others when posting. Just posting a quote from someone else in this context is not adding to the discussion. It is noise. You have been posting a lot of one-liners and random thoughts without context. We consider that to be noise, and if you continue to post noise you will be banned.
Thank you for Bergson! His biography is very interesting;
and I heard
:halo:
 

tczubernat

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Maybe when we act on what is considered instinct, that is without rational though, is when our true nature comes through.
 

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Divided By Zero: By definition of doing a thing on instinct means that it was done without conscious thought. I mentioned the low road from the wave. That's the part of the brain that acts, without us choosing, only to later "fill in the blanks" with a reason why. The split brain experiments show the same issue with reasoning and choice.
Yes. We can also train ourselves not to react that fast.
Like EMT workers, nurses and doctors learn when a person dying what to do.
Check the pulse, pupil reflex, etc.
DBZ: You replied to me when I asked what exactly is STO, when we do things and choose to work hard on what we want. Forgive me but I was raised catholic and when I felt the need to question why we do things, the response of "doing good for the sake of good" was pretty much the same thing.
I think you misunderstood something.
Nobody says we are STO. I remember we used the word: " STO candidate" vs." STS candidate".
It's the intent in life, we try to aim, I guess.
I learned from this thread a lot already, thank you all.
"Be the change you want to be"
DBZ: Maybe I'm dissapointed when I can't pose a doubt without being told that.
Of course, I'm upset about life. Why would that be a question here in the first place? If anyone was satisfied with the way things were on earth, they wouldn't be here. They would remain catholics, jews, muslims, etc. We're here because we want a better world. Did you give up your career in your home country because it was the fun thing to do?
Maybe you needed just get this out of your chest.
It's not easy to live with this what we know about reality and see what happening in the world, hard to digest.
Hang in there, buddy.
 

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Of course, I'm upset about life. Why would that be a question here in the first place?
It's a particular question in your case because you seem to be on the wrong track when it comes to how you deal with your upset, which in your case seems to tend more towards infantile rage.

If anyone was satisfied with the way things were on earth, they wouldn't be here. They would remain catholics, jews, muslims, etc. We're here because we want a better world. Did you give up your career in your home country because it was the fun thing to do?
The world doesn't exist for you to shut out or overcome. That approach is very similar to the modern-day nihilistic thinking of SJWs. It has no positive outcome, and I don't think you realize just how far down that path you have travelled.

And yes, I did leave because it seemed like a "fun" thing to do, as well as interesting etc. etc. The truth of the matter however, seems to be that I had no consicous understanding of what I was doing or why, that only came progressively after I had made the decision, and it's still coming of course.

Responses that address your specific issues have been given to you in another thread, where you are once more raging at all that is good and positive in life. I think discussion of that should continue over there, so as to not hijack this thread any further.
 

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By definition of doing a thing on instinct means that it was done without conscious thought. I mentioned the low road from the wave. That's the part of the brain that acts, without us choosing, only to later "fill in the blanks" with a reason why. The split brain experiments show the same issue with reasoning and choice.

You replied to me when I asked what exactly is STO, when we do things and choose to work hard on what we want. Forgive me but I was raised catholic and when I felt the need to question why we do things, the response of "doing good for the sake of good" was pretty much the same thing.

Maybe I'm dissapointed when I can't pose a doubt without being told that.
Of course, I'm upset about life. Why would that be a question here in the first place? If anyone was satisfied with the way things were on earth, they wouldn't be here. They would remain catholics, jews, muslims, etc. We're here because we want a better world. Did you give up your career in your home country because it was the fun thing to do?
Once brain chemicals are produced it takes good amount of time to subside. During this time emotional center feeds intellectual center and often we come up with different reasons all justify the emotion. Some may be valid enquirers that you want to get it out of your system as safely as possible(without impacting others), but often we identify with tree in the forest in this stage. Do some physical exercise until you get sweat or EE or beat the pillow whichever suits you. Aim is to remove to extra charge of the anger. There are some things that are in our control and other not.

At work, we know every body complains of others for one thing or other. Of course, people does it to their boss and often they hear "Thank you for letting us know, Why don't you come up a plan to fix it or fix it". You bet, that is the end of the discussion. ;-). Often we hear people say "this is very easy , he or she is not doing it". Fixing any thing involves dealing with 9 yards of human relations, which is not easy. even if you fix it, you still hear complaints.

Yes, there are millions of motivational literature ( written decades of research and validation) that gives you gives wonderful tips which works some time, some circumstances. Expecting it work all the times every circumstances and make us live in peaceful bliss is unrealistic and self defeating. That doesn't mean every thing is waste. I understand we live in a trigger happy instant communication age which gives a magical impression that "Understanding is automatic" and push the ball on the other side with "All or nothing thinking". If we learned every thing we wouldn't be here.

It took me some time to see difference between aggressiveness vs assertiveness, though I had a feedback that my behavior is not "aggressiveness" but my mind keep saying that "I am dissatisfying others so I am aggressive". We hope things are clear before we act, but often we end up in thought loops of "analysis paralysis" which itself triggers chemicals. Luckily, All are learning experiences and that eases the pressure for that time being, once learned and you can expect some thing new to come out in the world. Open to the assumption that "We are wrong and other's can be correct even if we don't see as of know" and trust that we can gather information and implement it will go a long way. Accepting our mistakes tend to be toughest challenge for all us.

Take your time, let it out of your system safely and see what you can learn from it.
 

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Actually, while it doesn't make me happy, I understand completely that everything is as it should be, because that's the way it is and I don't see any point in you adding more misery to the pile.

DBZ, you've been excessively despondent, disappointed in everything, contrary, and just plain sour for as long as I've known you. I've been told that, in person, when I am not present, you are a bit like a foul mouthed version of Eeyore from Winnie the Pooh.

As far as anybody can tell, you have spent practically all of your time complaining about other people, and have never done any actual work on yourself to make YOU a person others don't complain about.

Your forum name is also quite fitting in that regard. When you divide anything by zero you will never get any result and it is rather foolish to think otherwise. Reminds me of the C's quote about receiving exactly what you give to life. In your case that seems to be zero.

You seem to be in totally black and white thinking mode on just about everything while running a right man syndrome program on steroids.

While I may consider that it is fear that is driving your whole system, I think it is time to draw the line. You may as well take the Blue Pill and join the Libtards. I've had enough.
 
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