Does anyone have any plans for the coming Ice Age?

SlipNet

Jedi Master
I won't be one of those who will go crazy by losing their TV, cellphone, drugs, coffee and cigarettes, though.
I'll find it tough to be without tobacco, I've gotta admit. Although in my case cutting back a little and stashing a pouch or two away for a rainy day might be a good idea, and slowly build up a stockpile. I was in dire financial straits a few years back and was living on £10 a week whilst I had my debts assessed. I smoked about 2 or 3 cigs a day and I coped fine, despite the cravings.

As for TV and phones, meh, I'll not really notice them when they're defunct. I use an old skool flip top phone with no web connection anyway. I find the modern obsession with smart phones absurd, if I'm honest.

The future, much like the present, is going to be quite a challenge. It will be genuinely fascinating to see how things unfold, and then it's a matter of being competent enough to rise to the worldly challenges. If it's 5d I'm destined for, well, it'll be nice to see my brother again. As a person who has a 14 year history of mental illness, I've had to seriously scale down my life ambitions already.
 

SlipNet

Jedi Master
What about if Lobaczewski had given up? What if all the great minds and ideas of the world had not happened because they met resistance and trying times and people with those minds and ideas had given into pessimism and a nihilistic view of things. Throw in the ideas of Jordan Peterson as a guide to this IMO. Struggle to find meaning. Survival and understanding that you might help and teach others who are struggling.
This is a very good point, we really have to do absolutely all we can to be a counterbalance to chaos, which can be both mindless and pathological simultaneously. What you have to say will always meet resistance, but no-one can argue with good deeds. Lead by example should be the golden rule.
 

SlipNet

Jedi Master
Just as an example of facing petty tyrants, I'll offer this example.

I was in dire financial straits a few years back and was living on £10 a week whilst I had my debts assessed.
For 2 years I was faced with crippling credit card repayments which left me with £10 a week to live. My parents fed me during this period, and I spent my money on a monthly amount of tobacco, which I needed. I coped, amazingly enough, it really surprised me. I just read and watched documentaries, and only smoked when I absolutely needed to. No indulgences.

Anyway, I finally got fed up with the situation so I sought out the support of the Citizen's Advice Bureau, who represented me when HSBC demanded I pay them £5000 in debts or faced being taken to court. I told my CAB rep my whole story of how I got into debt, along with my mental health history. I offered to pay back 10p a month because otherwise I couldn't support myself. HSBC were nevertheless insistent at this point. Then I thought to mention to my rep that I thought it odd that they'd be so antsy about a small debt whilst they were laundering money for south american drug cartels, whilst paying massive fines for it (as has been documented. HSBC is a very corrupt bank!). I asked my rep at the bureau to especially make mention of this in her correspondence with HSBC, so she did.

Within a month, HSBC closed my account and requested that I destroy my bank cards and never apply for an account with them again. They wrote off my debt and our association was ended.

A small victory for me, and finally I could live as a normal person again. I drew a picture for my Bureau rep and sent it to her a few days later, as a small token of thanks. I have no idea what she made of the whole affair, but I was very, very thankful for her efforts in helping me out. Just a small example of how knowing your enemy, armed with facts, can really help you out! They enticed me into debt when I was very ill, and didn't explain what the consequences were going to be. Thankfully I did my due diligence on them and it all worked out okay in the end.
 

Ocean

Jedi Council Member
Well , you guys are more than welcome to move in with us here in Kuwait . It's really warm here , no signs of an ice-age yet . However, you will need to worry about war outbreaks or cometary bombardments,...or both.
Dittto that here in Oman.
All are more than welcome to join us too. Got lots of acreage to set up camp!
Doubtful about there being a war here though. Something special about this country.
Can't say the same for cometarty bombardment.
 

Martina

Jedi Master
Just as an example of facing petty tyrants, I'll offer this example.



For 2 years I was faced with crippling credit card repayments which left me with £10 a week to live. My parents fed me during this period, and I spent my money on a monthly amount of tobacco, which I needed. I coped, amazingly enough, it really surprised me. I just read and watched documentaries, and only smoked when I absolutely needed to. No indulgences.

Anyway, I finally got fed up with the situation so I sought out the support of the Citizen's Advice Bureau, who represented me when HSBC demanded I pay them £5000 in debts or faced being taken to court. I told my CAB rep my whole story of how I got into debt, along with my mental health history. I offered to pay back 10p a month because otherwise I couldn't support myself. HSBC were nevertheless insistent at this point. Then I thought to mention to my rep that I thought it odd that they'd be so antsy about a small debt whilst they were laundering money for south american drug cartels, whilst paying massive fines for it (as has been documented. HSBC is a very corrupt bank!). I asked my rep at the bureau to especially make mention of this in her correspondence with HSBC, so she did.

Within a month, HSBC closed my account and requested that I destroy my bank cards and never apply for an account with them again. They wrote off my debt and our association was ended.

A small victory for me, and finally I could live as a normal person again. I drew a picture for my Bureau rep and sent it to her a few days later, as a small token of thanks. I have no idea what she made of the whole affair, but I was very, very thankful for her efforts in helping me out. Just a small example of how knowing your enemy, armed with facts, can really help you out! They enticed me into debt when I was very ill, and didn't explain what the consequences were going to be. Thankfully I did my due diligence on them and it all worked out okay in the end.
I'm really glad you've made it! I also wasn't quite myself when I took a loan in the bank with interest rate 15%. My bank account was recently unblocked but I will pay them what they gave me. I spent that money for my son's diapers and clothes instead of college costs. I have bigger paycheck now, I pay almost half of it for the loan and I still have more then I lived of before. I learned many skills being poor:-D but I'm not a cheapskate. So 2 more years and I'm free!
 

SlipNet

Jedi Master
I'm really glad you've made it! I also wasn't quite myself when I took a loan in the bank with interest rate 15%. My bank account was recently unblocked but I will pay them what they gave me. I spent that money for my son's diapers and clothes instead of college costs. I have bigger paycheck now, I pay almost half of it for the loan and I still have more then I lived of before. I learned many skills being poor:-D but I'm not a cheapskate. So 2 more years and I'm free!
Thanks Martina, it really was an immense relief to finally be free from that awful bank. It's true you find out a lot about yourself and your abilities when you're poor. Here's hoping you get yourself on an even keel as soon as possible.:-)
 

SlavaOn

Jedi Master
I am eyeballing a piece of land in Northern Florida. It is in Wakulla county, 5 miles from the Gulf and 10 miles from Tallahassee, a Florida's capital. It is 20 acres parcel, all overgrown by oaks. Close to a river - must have a plenty of fresh water supply close to the surface. The last hurricane Michael barreled though not far from that area, devastating several villages closest to the Gulf in its path. That may have depressed real estate prices and it would be a good time to buy.

I am also mulling over the plan to build a log house. I wonder, if built properly, would it have sustained the hurricane force of Michael with 160 MpH winds?

And Florida climate allows to grow 2 crops per year currently. That would be hardiness zone 8b. When tempered by Little Ice Age, it could still be a good area for agriculture sans the citrus farming..

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Artem Yalovyi

A Disturbance in the Force
Well, you can grow pigs of the Mangalitsa breed and grow rye (especially the Yakut cold-resistant varieties that can grow at -40 ° C) also cold-resistant berries: viburnum, goof, dogwood, etc. you also need to grow trees that can grow in the tundra: larch and alder will be some wind protection and will be a supply of firewood
P.S sorry for my bad english
 

SlavaOn

Jedi Master
@3DStudent

Gulf of Mexico is almost fully encircled by the landmasses. That would make it tsunami-free from any earthquake or comet that hits the Atlantic Ocean. Deepwater Horizon oil spill disaster happened in 2010. I read that the oil in the environment biodegrades and become food for marine creatures... as it happened after Valdez fiasco in Alaska. What concerns me is the dispersant that they used: Corexit - Wikipedia I couldn't find any info on its degradability.

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On the bright side, if professor Saveliev is right, it had been easier to evolve and survive for proto-humans in the areas adjacent to large water basins, where there is a plenty of easily digestable sea food. Especially, when climatic disasters would strike and the crops are failing, the following food source will still be available: mussels, clams, cockles, sea snails, shrimps, crabs, squid, seaweeds...
 

c.a.

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I am eyeballing a piece of land in Northern Florida. It is in Wakulla county, 5 miles from the Gulf and 10 miles from Tallahassee, a Florida's capital. It is 20 acres parcel, all overgrown by oaks. Close to a river - must have a plenty of fresh water supply close to the surface. The last hurricane Michael barreled though not far from that area, devastating several villages closest to the Gulf in its path. That may have depressed real estate prices and it would be a good time to buy.

I am also mulling over the plan to build a log house. I wonder, if built properly, would it have sustained the hurricane force of Michael with 160 MpH winds?

And Florida climate allows to grow 2 crops per year currently. That would be hardiness zone 8b. When tempered by Little Ice Age, it could still be a good area for agriculture sans the citrus farming..
Two designs!


 

Laura

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Soil in Wakulla is, like most FL soil, mostly just sand over limestone; pretty poor in general. Also, it's very hot and muggy there in summer.

Might want to read "A Cold Welcome" for eyewitness testimony about the weather in FL during the Little Ice Age.
 

Pashalis

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Soil in Wakulla is, like most FL soil, mostly just sand over limestone; pretty poor in general. Also, it's very hot and muggy there in summer.

Might want to read "A Cold Welcome" for eyewitness testimony about the weather in FL during the Little Ice Age.
Yes. In a cold period, Florida probably will not be a good place at all, if the past is anything to go by. How the climate and other circumstances were in Florida in the last big cold period, can be derived quite clearly in the book Laura mentioned above. Not pleasant.
 

Pashalis

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You're raising an important point. Besides, something that has been gnawing at me about survival, is that I can't see what's in it. Let's say you survive. Survive for what? So that you can say that you were one of the few humans that survived? The fabric of the world and of our society is going to crumble. We're going to be hit on all side all at once. There will be an ice age, economic collapse which is likely to bring violence, ideological violence which is likely to lead to racial violence, environmental disasters, extreme food shortage...etc. I can't see what would be a point of a life post-SHIFT. It would be survival for survival's sake -- and that is, if you even manage to survive which is unlikely. Obviously, if everything is a lesson, your survival would just be another lesson, just like dying would be...

It will sound really defeatist, but I don't see the point of putting any effort into survival. And to be honest, even if you were trying to learn new skills now to be more prepared following the shift. There are so many factors into play, that you may die before ever using them. And even if you get to use them, the haunting question to me is what would be the point of survival in such a world?

I feel all we can hope for is a swift and painless death. Or at least that is what I'm personally hoping for.

This is off topic, but what do you think happen after Earth is cleansed from the human race? A new experiment starts and the survivors of the human race become what Atlantis is to us now?
As for me, I can't see a reason why one shouldn't try to survive as best and truthful to one's aims and soul outfit as possible and just give up instead. I think when one looks at everything that exists both in spiritual and physical terms, it would be kind of an affront against the value of creation/being/cosmic mind/universe, in which physically is a part of, in all its "good", "ugly" and "bad" details. It would be like taking the easy way out in some sense IMO.

Here is how I see it: As long as surviving of our loved ones and ourselves is doable with decency, it is something that should be done as best as possible in accordance with the values of striving towards STO. Not by all means though, since bodily survival shouldn't be the main priority at all, but rather a tool to something like being of the best help as possible both for ourselves and others. Learning skills and the like, viewed in this context, is very good, meaningful and spiritual. When I think of spirituality, I also include physicality in it to some extent, so to just disregard that part is something I would find a bit repulsive.

Surviving on the other hand purely in itself purely mechanically/physically speaking, with no higher aims in mind, by any means and no matter what the price, is something that I would find repulsive as well.

So when in the end one has done everything in their power to deal with the situation as best as possible and there is simply no way left anymore to decently engage with physical life, then this option would be something reasonable and ok to consider IMO (giving up on the physical aspect). But only after having done all in one's power in accordance with one's being.
 

Tuatha de Danaan

Jedi Master
I have been following this forum, with reading most of the recommended books for the last few years since finding this site.
Anxious I would not miss anything, I realise I have not really practiced many things properly i.e .EE .Now I will make a concerted effort
to do those things. While I am literally terrified of the future( I mentioned in a previous post that none of my family want to know or share any of my findings).I feel as if I have a gag on my mouth at all times so I don't say anything when I am with them.

However, I am still here and have learned so much. This make me feel this was supposed to be,. If I survive the initial breakdown or whatever comes first then I feel that's supposed to be as well. Whatever the mode of death or transition then that will be what is meant to be for me. I don't believe we will be here any longer than we need.

How many times in the last few millennia have people had the opportunity to speak like this about their immediate future?

For what preparations to make. I will go for walks and find bits of wood. I'll buy a little burner. Buy some thermals. Thick boots . This is not doomsday shopping but little things to have spare as a message that I'm not giving up to the fear just yet. As the C's said "We will do what we will do".

Thank you Laura.
 
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