EgyptAir flight MS804 disappears from radar between Paris and Cairo


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A search vessel has recovered all previously located human remains at the MS804 crash site.

Vessel Recovers All Located EgyptAir MS804 Human Remains at Crash Site

A search ship has recovered all previously located underwater human remains at the EgyptAir flight MS804 crash site, Reuters reports, citing Egypt's aircraft accident investigation committee.

The vessel headed to Alexandria port to hand over the remains co coroners, the investigation panel stated.

On May 19, EgyptAir Airbus A320 plane disappeared from radar screens over the Mediterranean Sea, 10 miles into Egyptian airspace. The plane, carrying 66 people on board, was heading to Cairo from Paris.

Egyptian authorities later confirmed that some debris from the plane and remains, as well as a flight recorder, had been recovered in the Mediterranean Sea.


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EgyptAir voice recorder suggests fire on plane before crash Video
UPDATED 11:54 AM EDT Jul 05, 2016
Investigators now think the pilots on board the doomed Egyptair flight MS804 were battling to put out a fire before the crash.
Investigators think a blaze may have taken hold on the plane in its final moments.

Where is this information from?

The flight deck voice recorder, which was taken to Cairo this week after being repaired at a laboratory in France.

The recordings usually capture pilot conversations and any alarms in the cockpit, as well as other clues like engine noise.

Is this a definite cause for the crash?


Experts will carry out further analysis on the voices in the recordings.

They have not ruled out any possibilities regarding what may have caused the crash, which happened during a flight from Paris to Cairo on May 19.

The aircraft crashed into the eastern Mediterranean

Is there any other information about what may have happened?


Seven minutes before contact was lost with the Airbus A320, the flight data recorder registered a series of key messages.

They indicated multiple faults on board, including fire in the lavatory and main electronics bay.

The data from the voice recorder seems to corroborate this.

Are there signs of smoke on the wreckage that has been recovered?


Investigators say wreckage recovered from the jet’s front section shows signs of scorching and smoke damage.

Information from the flight data recorder appears to confirm reports of smoke on board.

So did the plane crash ( because there was a fire on board?

It is not yet completely clear.

The French authorities have opened an investigation for manslaughter.

They say they have found no indication that the crash was related to terrorism.

However, investigators have repeatedly emphasised that they have not ruled anything out.

Further analysis will be carried out on the data.

When did the plane crash?

The Airbus A320 was en route from Paris to Cairo on May 19 when it plunged into the eastern Mediterranean.

The 66 passengers and crew on board were killed.

Egyptair say those on board were:

30 Egyptians
15 French
2 Iraqis
1 passenger from the UK, Sudan, Chad, Portugal, Algeria, Canada, Belgium, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia

The first human remains to be recovered from the wreckage were brought ashore on Monday By Catherine Hardy | With REUTERS, THE INDEPENDENT

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Israeli authorities say pieces of wreckage believed to be from an EgyptAir airliner that crashed into the Mediterranean Sea two months ago have been found on the coast of a city north of Tel Aviv.

Wreckage from crashed EgyptAir airliner washes up north of Tel Aviv

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s office said in a statement that the debris from the commercial passenger twin-engine jet was discovered on the seashore in the city of Netanya, situated 30 kilometers (18.6 miles) north of Tel Aviv, on Thursday morning.

The statement added that “parts were collected and it appears there is a high likelihood they are pieces of the Egyptian plane,” noting that the debris will be sent to Egypt.

On May 19, a single-aisle Airbus A320 passenger plane operated by Egypt’s flag carrier EgyptAir plunged into the Mediterranean Sea as it had departed Paris to Cairo. All 66 people on board were killed and the cause of the crash remains unknown.

The plane went off radar screens between the Greek island of Crete and Egypt. If the discovered debris proves to belong to the ill-fated airliner, sea currents have carried them about 540 kilometers (340 miles) away from the crash site.


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French investigators have discovered traces of explosive TNT on debris from EgyptAir Flight MS804 that disappeared over the Mediterranean, suggesting that a bomb was placed onboard the plane.

French Probe Reportedly Finds Traces of TNT in Debris of Downed EgyptAir Flight

Experts with the Forensic Sciences Institute of the French Gendarmerie (IRCGN) said they detected signs of the explosive chemical compound trinitrotoluene on the wreckage.

The results have been disputed by Egyptian authorities, who claim they did not allow French officials to examine the debris in detail, according to French newspaper Le Figaro. While Cairo has expressed a desire to write a joint report to validate the presence of explosive material, Paris has refused.

The Egyptian commission charged with an investigation into the EgyptAir Airbus A320 crash in the Mediterranean Sea, has not received any information on traces of explosive substance on the debris, Egyptian Civil Aviation Ministry's spokesman said Saturday.

A320 Plane Crash Investigators Receive No Data on TNT Traces on Debris

On Friday, the French Le Figaro newspaper reported that experts from the Forensic Sciences Institute of the French Gendarmerie (IRCGN) have found traces of the explosive material TNT on the debris of the crashed plane. The experts, who traveled to Cairo last week, were not allowed to investigate the debris in detail though.

"The commission investigating the Egyptian aircraft crash in the Mediterranean Sea in May this year
hasn't received so far any data either from the judicial examination, or from the general prosecutor's office that would indicate the presence of traces of explosives on the debris," Bassem Sami said, as quoted by the Youm 7 news portal.

The commission continues to investigate the causes of the crash, and is ready to announce any results as soon as new information is available, he added. The EgyptAir Airbus A320 plane disappeared from radar screens over the Mediterranean Sea, 10 miles into the Egyptian airspace, on May 19. The plane, carrying 66 people, was heading to Cairo from Paris.


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Explosives' traces were discovered on the bodies of victims of the EgyptAir A320 crash.

Traces of Explosives Found on Bodies of EgyptAir A320 Crash Victims

15.12.2016 - Traces of explosives were discovered on the bodies of victims of the EgyptAir A320 crash, which occurred last May over the Mediterranean Sea, according to a statement released by the commission investigating the crash.

"The central office for the investigation of accidents received reports from Egyptian forensic experts concerning the remains of victims of the crash, which contained a notification that traces of explosives were discovered on some of the remains of the crash victims," the statement said. It said the investigation of the crash that killed 66 people was handed to the Egyptian Prosecutor General's Office in connection with a suspected criminal trace.


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Egyptian authorities started on Saturday the process of handing over the remains of the victims of the EgyptAir Airbus A320 plane crash in the Mediterranean Sea, French media reported Saturday.

Egypt Starts Returning Remains of EgyptAir A320 Crash Victims to Families

According to Ouest France newspaper, citing Arab-language Mena news agency, the remains of the crew were returned to the families on Saturday, while the remains of the passengers, including 15 French nationals will be handed over on Sunday.

The EgyptAir Airbus A320 plane disappeared from radar screens over the Mediterranean Sea, 10 miles into the Egyptian airspace, on May 19 and then crashed. The plane, carrying 66 people, was heading to Cairo from Paris. The commission investigating the crash said in mid-December that traces of explosives were discovered on the bodies of victims of the crash.


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CCTV allegedly shows co-pilot storing an iPhone 6S and iPad in the spot where the fire began.

Speculation over whether overheating phone caused fire that brought down EgyptAir flight MS804

French authorities investigating the EgyptAir crash that killed 66 people are said to be looking into whether the plane was brought down by an overheating phone battery. According to Le Parisian, a source within the investigation told the French newspaper that the fire in the cockpit of the Airbus A320 may have started where the co-pilot stowed his iPad and iPhone 6S.

EgyptAir flight MS804 was travelling from Paris to Cairo when it disappeared from radar on 19 May 2016. Egyptian investigators have speculated that the crash, which killed all 56 passengers, seven crew members and three security personnel on board, was caused by an act of terrorism due to traces of explosives reported to be found on some the victims.

Investigators in France have disputed these claims, saying that data recorded from the aircraft around the time it disappeared points to an accidental fire on the right-hand side of the flight deck, next to the co-pilot.

According to The Times, CCTV pulled from cameras at Paris' Charles de Gualle airport show that the co-pilot stored a number of personal items above the dashboard, where the first signs of trouble were detected.

This included an automated alert indicating a series of malfunctions on the right-hand flight deck window, followed by smoke alerts going off in a toilet and in the avionics area below the cockpit, minutes before the plane vanished.

'A troubling parallel'

A source from the investigation told Le Parisian that they were investigating links between where the co-pilot placed his items and the spot where the fire started. "The images show very clearly that the Egyptian co-pilot placed his telephone, tablet and bottles of perfume bought before boarding on the glare-shield," the newspaper said.

"The investigators thus note a troubling parallel between the placing of these items that are fed by lithium batteries and the triggering of alarms during the flight."

It is understood that the information provided by the Le Parisian source has not been independently verified. While investigators may have at one point probed whether an overheating mobile device started the fire, this line of inquiry has not been advanced.

An Apple spokesperson said: "We haven't been contacted by GTA or any authority investigating this tragic event. We have not seen the report but we understand there is no evidence to link this event to Apple products. If investigators have questions for us, we would of course assist in any way we can. We rigorously test our products to ensure they meet or exceed international safety standards."

Smartphones containing lithium-ion batteries have been known to explode when exposed to excessive heat or pressure. Samsung was forced to recall its Galaxy Note 7 last year due to widespread reports of the handset catching fire, caused by stressed batteries. This led to a number of airlines banning the phone from flights.


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An overheated battery of a pilot’s iPhone or iPad is unlikely to have caused the crash of the EgyptAir A320 in the Mediterranean Sea in May 2016, local media reported, citing a source in the Egyptian Ministry of Civil Aviation.

Overheated iPhone, iPad Unlikely to Cause EgyptAir A320 Crash in 2016 – Reports

On Saturday, the French Parisien newspaper reported, citing investigators, that the crash may have been caused by overheated and flaming battery of the second pilot’s iPhone 6S or iPad mini that were left at the instrument panel.

"An explosion of the mobile phone cannot easily cause the plane crash given the fact that equipment of the jet including pilots’ seats, fitted carpet, furniture is produced from flame-retardant materials … Moreover, a battery’s explosion cannot make hole in the plane’s fuselage," the source told the Al-Bawaba News media outlet.

According to the source, France is trying to shift responsibility for the crash because if it turns out that a bomb was staged in the crashed jet in the Paris Charles de Gaulle Airport, France will have to pay compensations for the incident.


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Joe said:
As others here have said (and the media is saying too) the fact that no one claimed responsibility for the crash suggests this was a "natural" event. Of course, for the "authorities" 'natural' has to mean a fire on board, or "pilot error" or something like that. Based on what we've figured out about previous crashes, some kind of 'extreme' natural event looks the most likely.

Looks like it might have been "natural".

Egyptair crash: no trace of explosives on victims, says French newspaperInvestigators of France's National Gendarmerie Criminal Investigation Institute, who examined samples of the remains, concluded there were no traces of explosives on the bodies of the passengers. The thesis put forward by the Egyptians - an explosion during the flight due to a bomb that may have been placed on board at Roissy airport in Paris - is therefore excluded,"


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Crash caused by "cigarette being smoked in the cockpit"

Via, wrote an article back in April 2022 about the Egyptair flight MS804 crash into the Mediterranean Sea in 2016.

EgyptAir flight MS804 that disappeared from radar on 19 May 2016 has crashed after one of the pilots lit a cigarette in the cockpit, an investigation revealed.

By Bart Noëth - 29 April 2022

The Airbus A320 (registered SU-GCC) operated a regular flight between Paris CDG, France and Cairo, Egypt when air traffic control suddenly lost contact with aircraft.

A search-and-rescue operations was started in the eastern Mediterranean sea but all 66 souls on board died. Originally, the Egyptian authorities claimed that the aircraft was downed by terrorists.

But the official investigation now revealed that a cigarette in the vicinity of a leaking oxygen mask has caused the crash: investigators could hear a hissing sound indicating a leak in one of the supplementary cockpit oxygen supply.

Italian newspaper Corriere della Sera revealed that an investigation also claimed that Egyptian pilots habitually smoked in the cockpit and the practice was not prohibited at the time of the crash in 2016. Earlier reports found the plane had sent a series of warnings indicating that smoke had been detected on board through ACARS (aircraft sms system).

Recovered wreckage from the aircraft’s front section showed signs of high temperature damage and soot, the committee of investigators said.

Comment below the article:

John Ricci 11 May 2022 At 17:17

This doesn’t surprise men at all. In fact, when this plane went down and there was speculation a fire was involved, I immediately though is was from cigarette smoking. This is because I was on an EgyptAir flight in 2010 and was very surprised to find that the smoke detectors had been disabled in one of the restrooms and it had become a smoking room. This is the only airline I have ever flown on (and I have almost a million flight miles) where the no smoking regulations were blatantly violated in this way. However, I didn’t anticipate that it was a pilot smoking that caused the problem. I guess that shouldn’t surprise me either.

Their older article from 2016



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Crash caused by "cigarette being smoked in the cockpit"

Via, wrote an article back in April 2022 about the Egyptair flight MS804 crash into the Mediterranean Sea in 2016.
Well that's weird and not what I'd call "natural". I wonder if they're trying to focus people's attention on aircraft accidents, now? (after a few years) Well, it beats the "Pandemic", now doesn't it? Yes, I do wonder. :scared:
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