Fire at Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris

Are most Historic Cathedrals built - on or near - the 40th parallel?

Christianity started in Europe "around the 40th parallel", so many churches and so cathedrals were built there. But there are historic (Romanesque, Gothic, medieval and later) cathedrals in whole Europe and not only around the 40th parallel. For example the Cologne Cathedral (Gothic cathedral) is near the 50th parallel and its very first beginnings were in the Roman era (former buiding). Another example of an very old cathedral with beginnings in Roman times is Canterbury Cathedral near the 51th parallel. The Gothic cathedral of Notre-Dame-de-Paris is near the 48th parallel and not that near the 40th parallel either. There are also very old cathedrals in Russia. There are also (newer) historic cathedrals in other continents.

 
As previously noted, Christian churches and cathedrals were mostly built upon former pagan temple sites so a tie-in to the 40th parallel doesn't seem like it could be significant.
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Two excerpts from the first link that are somewhat relevant:
Balkans
During the Ottoman conquest of the Balkans in the 15th century, many churches were converted into mosques with a minaret added, in the 19th century many former church-mosques were re-converted into churches and their minarets destroyed, such as the Church of Prophet Elijah (Thessaloniki). After the Christian Balkan states obtained independence from the Muslim Ottoman Empire, they destroyed Ottoman mosques. In many cases the minarets of the mosques were destroyed while the mosque itself was converted into a church or left to decay. The Sveti Sedmochislenitsi Church in Sofia was a 15th-century abandoned Ottoman mosque, converted into a church in the 19th century. In Croatia the only three remaining mosques from the Ottoman period, those in Đakovo, Klis and Drniš, have been converted or re-converted into Catholic churches.[18]
Vietnam
In Vietnam, after the French invasion, many Buddhist and Taoist temples were neglected by the colonial government,[citation needed] notably the Bao Thien temple in Hanoi were razed to make way for the St. Joseph Cathedral.[citation needed] The Tra Kieu church in Quang Nam was built in the 18th century on the site of a hilltop Hindu temple in Sinhapura, ancient capital of the Champa kingdom, and became an important Christian pilgrimage site ever since.
Hmm, considering France's history with Vietnam - "The French used the persecution of Christians as an excuse to intervene in Vietnamese affairs" - can we expect a Buddha to also be installed in the restored Notre Dame?

An interesting tidbit from the second link above:
In the fourth century, Roman emperors actually took steps to protect key pagan temples: "That Christian emperors continued to protect the temple buildings of Rome is evident from their legislation. A law by Constantius and Constans, issued to the urban prefect of Rome, already prescribed that 'although all superstitions must be completely eradicated, nevertheless, it is Our will that the buildings of the temples situated outside the walls shall remain untouched and uninjured'" (Theodosian Code, 16.10.3).

The building boom went hand-in-hand with policy. The emperor Theodosius outlawed paganism and all connected rituals in 392 CE. Yet, into the fifth century, temples in Rome were not destroyed it seems. Only various sanctuaries of Mithras were smashed and filled in with rubble at this time, before ultimately being used as the foundation for new churches.
That seems to contradict info from the first link:
The conversion of pre-Christian places of worship, rather than their destruction, was particularly true of temples of Mithras, a religion that had been the main rival to Christianity during the 2nd and 3rd centuries, especially among the Roman legions. An early 2nd century Mithraeum stands across the Roman street from the house and can be visited by visitors. Other Mithraea have been excavated under churches, such as Santa Prisca, and Santo Stefano Rotondo.
Some evidence regarding the destruction of Mithraeums cited here from the book From Constantine to Charlemagne: An Archaeology of Italy AD 300–800:
And from the wiki entry on Mithraism:
According to Speidel, Christians fought fiercely with this feared enemy and suppressed it during the late 4th century. Mithraic sanctuaries were destroyed and religion was no longer a matter of personal choice.
One more interesting note from the wiki entry on Mithraism:
However, according to Hopfe, "All theories of the origin of Mithraism acknowledge a connection, however vague, to the Mithra/Mitra figure of ancient Aryan religion."
And the Aryan link takes one further:
The closely related Iranian people also used the term as an ethnic label for themselves in the Avesta scriptures, and the word forms the etymological source of the country name Iran. [...] Scholars point out that, even in ancient times, the idea of being an "Aryan" was religious, cultural and linguistic, not racial.

A bit off topic (and having opened up something of a rabbit hole anyway) - the first wiki entry also notes the pre-Christian worship of water, trees, and mountains:
Among the country people (pagani) as Jean Seznec observed that euhemerist dismissal by Christian writers of pagan deities as once having been human was insufficient cause to abandon old ways: "in country districts, the chief obstacle to Christianity was offered by the tenacious survival of anthropomorphic cults; here the problem became one of still further humanizing the divinities of springs, trees and mountains, in order to rob them of their prestige".[11]

Samuel J. Barish found further examples of the transition from miraculous springs to baptisteries from Gregory of Tours (died c. 594) and Maximus, Bishop of Turin (died c. 466).[12]
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The British Isles and other areas of northern Europe that were formerly druidic are still densely punctuated by holy wells and holy springs that are now attributed to some local saint. An example of the pre-Christian water spirit is the melusina.

In Britain and many other parts of Europe trees were also sometimes seen as sacred or the home of tree spirits[citation needed]. When Britain was Christianized this resulted in a change of the landscape. In some instances sacred groves were destroyed to discourage belief in tree spirits[citation needed]. One of the most famous of these was the Irminsul, whose ancient location is no longer known (though it may have been located at Externsteine), was obliterated by Charlemagne. Another major ancient holy tree was Thor's Oak, which was deliberately desecrated and destroyed by a Christian missionary named Winfrid (later canonised as Saint Boniface).

In Britain and the Celtic northwest of Europe, the divinities of springs were transformed into local saints who were often venerated only at the location of their "holy well".
Some of the forum threads that discuss the unique properties of water:






Ok - I blame Laura for getting me intrigued and wondering about all that's in our past - and one thing invariably leads to another! :-D
 
Ok - I blame Laura for getting me intrigued and wondering about all that's in our past - and one thing invariably leads to another! :-D
Just to clarify, the smiley was added to indicate I was 'blaming' Laura in jest. No, I don't blame, but rather celebrate all that Laura has done through blood, sweat, and tears to bring to those 'who have eyes to see and ears to hear' the truth of our reality.
 
Just to clarify, the smiley was added to indicate I was 'blaming' Laura in jest. No, I don't blame, but rather celebrate all that Laura has done through blood, sweat, and tears to bring to those 'who have eyes to see and ears to hear' the truth of our reality.
I agree with you! She is responsible to give to us a gift: this of curiosity about our past. She is responsible also of this long list of books to read and this obsession to learn and tie knots and learn how to sail in this crazy world. This forum also is responsible of this and Sott.net. :-D
 
Today I came across a an older school chemistry book that explained how iron oxide and aluminium powder works and is or was used to weld railways. Here is a short example:
In the video, they use gas to preheat the chambers because they have a clear goal in mind, but there are many other videos where the goal is just to play or to try it out, and they melt iron very quickly too.

With regard to the yellow color, if sodium was available, then that would help. If not left over from "salt and sage" sodium nitrate can nourish a fire and give off a yellow color, as this child shows:
In short, I realize that to make a fire is not that hard, it is actually frightening how easy and powerful it can be.
 
I am trying to work out the progression of the fire with time, a timeline. Off I went to Mr. Google and started looking. The most reliable agency in the World quotes the Fire Department in Paris as stating that it began at 6:50 PM.

In the following picture we can see that the section that is next to the firefighter has not yet completely lost its roof. Hence this is close to the start of the fire.

Enjoy looking at this photo :-)

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Perhaps the minute hand was gone before the fire or perhaps it fell off during the fire. My guess it was there from the start and it is just Notre Dame which is telling us "It started close to 6:30 PM.".

The first "False Alarm" was at 6:23 PM !!!!!!! Now things get very messy for Macronshild but since the "event" was such a huge financial success he is as safe as a Saint.
 
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God, I feel like a ping-pong. Regarding the discussion as to the color of the smoke I initially was convinced that there was yellow smoke coming out of the fire. In the videos/pictures I saw this was fairly far beyond the start of the fire suggesting that the flame light gave it that color. Well while looking for time data I came across this picture. It looks Yellow far far beyond the flames !!!! Wood does not give that color of smoke. For sure not Oak !!!!

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According to experts: Ignition source was electrical equipment. If so there must have been a warehouse full of the stuff below the Spire ;-)
 
I am trying to work out the progression of the fire with time, a timeline. Off I went to Mr. Google and started looking. The most reliable agency in the World quotes the Fire Department in Paris as stating that it began at 6:50 PM.

In the following picture we can see that the section that is next to the firefighter has not yet completely lost its roof. Hence this is close to the start of the fire.

Enjoy looking at this photo :-)

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Perhaps the minute hand was gone before the fire or perhaps it fell off during the fire. My guess it was there from the start and it is just Notre Dame which is telling us "It started close to 6:30 PM.".

The first "False Alarm" was at 6:23 PM !!!!!!! Now things get very messy for Macronshild but since the "event" was such a huge financial success he is as safe as a Saint.
I wonder if the internal clock mechanics might have collapsed due to heat, the wheels and such, in which case the pointers would fall down due to gravity. Your hypothesis might still be about right and maybe the first False Alarm was the right time, but who reported it? The arsonist(s), or a psychic who picked up the fire in advance?
 
www.fox5ny.com/news/wtc-spire-notre-dame-cathedral-tribute
Apr 16, 2019 · NEW YORK (FOX 5 NY) - The spire above One World Trade Center was illuminated in red, white, and blue—the colors of the flag of France—in solidarity … (US flag is also red, white and blue.)
That reminds me of the 911 ten year anniversary Tribute in Light which lit up the unfinished One World Trade Center in the colours of the American flag - but they did it in a way to make it look immediately like the French flag (draped downward from a flag pole will always have blue top and red bottom)
The-New-York-skyline-has-been-lit-up-with-twin-lights-filling-the-hole-left-by-the-World-Trade-Center

The tenth year 911 anniversary (2011) lit the tower at 7.11pm - the time of sun set. That was interesting because September was originally the seventh month of the year hence its name "Sept" (7 in French), so 9/11 would originally have been 7/11 also.


Perhaps these ideas could be incorporated into the New World Order Notre Dame.

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The main entrance reminds me of La Grande Arche de la Defense Grande Arche - Wikipedia
Its a cube 360 ft by 360 ft. I suppose its their way of 'squaring the circle' symbolising control over our natural environment.
They sure like the "Twin Tower" concept.
Yeah, they like representing the 'twinned' theme in general. Goyacobols post further down reminding of our Twin Suns makes me wonder if the recurring "twin" symbology running through much of occultic symbolism might have something to do with that.
 
I wonder if the internal clock mechanics might have collapsed due to heat, the wheels and such, in which case the pointers would fall down due to gravity.
Here is the mechanical system that drives the two clocks on the south side of ND.

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Here we see the second clock on the other side of the South Side Roof.

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And here we have a better angled image of the clock that I posted before where there was doubt as to where the minute hand is. In this photo there is no doubt when the fire stopped the gears from moving.

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So now we have a window for when the "Event" was initiated, between 6:23 and 6:30. Seven minutes time window. That implies that within 7 minutes the fire was so intense that it damaged the mechanisms driving these clocks.

« D’après le témoignage de @Le_blog_d_HB la cathédrale est évacuée à 18h35 pour un feu qui se déclare à 18h50 ..... Bizarre non..... » affirme l’un d’eux, capture d'écran d'un article de 20 Minutes indiquant que l'incendie s'est déclaré « autour de 18h50 » et en s’appuyant sur une série de tweets publiés par Hélène Bodenez, une professeure agrégée de lettres présente lors de la messe donnée le soir de l’incendie.

Poor professor, she had no access to these images and had to relay on her out of wack watch :-)

These clock are as clear as a bell in telling us the window within which the fire started.
 
The second but last picture shows when enlarged the small and the large pointer right above the number six which would make sense if gravity had brought them there, or was it water pressure?

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The very last picture when enlarged shows:

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In the above picture the small pointer is closer to seven. I tried to use a picture editor to enlarge even more and got for the first picture:
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And for the second picture:
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It looks like the last clock indeed could read like 6:30
 
The second but last picture shows when enlarged the small and the large pointer right above the number six which would make sense if gravity had brought them there, or was it water pressure?

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I believe it is the angle at which the above photo was taken that causes the overlay effect of the hour hand over the minute hand. I had the same issue with the photo in my first post that I wrote yesterday. Images a tricky things to play with :-)
 
I believe it is the angle at which the above photo was taken that causes the overlay effect of the hour hand over the minute hand. I had the same issue with the photo in my first post that I wrote yesterday. Images a tricky things to play with :-)
Perhaps the two clocks look the way they do for different reasons, one may have moved into place naturally, the other not. Do you know if the clocks were driven mechanically or electronically? Could electricity have been cut at one stage?
 
The clock looks to be completely mechanically driven.

Horloge Collin de la cathédrale Notre-Dame de Paris de 1867 [E546]. Remarquons le remontoir d'égalité. Extrait du livre de Bruno Cabanis, Horlogerie Française [C0044]
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Note the wood table. Burn the table down and the clocks STOP working thus marking when the fire reached this place.

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Where electricity might be involved is in raising these weights that drive the mechanical system,

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I believe it is the angle at which the above photo was taken that causes the overlay effect of the hour hand over the minute hand. I had the same issue with the photo in my first post that I wrote yesterday. Images a tricky things to play with :-)

I don't think so. What you mean I think is what is called the parallax effect or error which is something engineers and mechanics and other specialists are aware of, as part of their learned professions. From my experience I would say the discrepancy of the hour to minutes hands on the two different pictures is far to big from that angle to be just a parallax error. Even if you would look at the clock from almost flat viewpoint in regard to the flat surface of the clock, you would hardly get such a huge parallax error, in fact, it would be rather slight and almost non visible at first sight. You can test that out yourself with a mechanical clock at your disposal.

Here are two short examples of parallax errors:


Edit: Added a video
 
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