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Interesting, there is a giant elephant in the room that Laura and others have managed to ignore...

DMT

You do realize that all of your shamanic experiences rely upon DMT, a "drug", as the bio chemical mechanism, dont you?
 

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ZeropointNinja said:
Interesting, there is a giant elephant in the room that Laura and others have managed to ignore...

DMT

You do realize that all of your shamanic experiences rely upon DMT, a "drug", as the bio chemical mechanism, dont you?

As it occurs naturally, their is most likely nothing wrong with it. But by attempting to use it synthetically, you are subverting the natural process of seeing the shamanic world. I don't see how what you point out above has any relation to the discussion. This isn't about WHAT chemical allows the experience to happen. It's about the difference between the experience happening naturally and it happening through forced means, OSIT.
 

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ZeropointNinja said:
Interesting, there is a giant elephant in the room that Laura and others have managed to ignore...

DMT

You do realize that all of your shamanic experiences rely upon DMT, a "drug", as the bio chemical mechanism, dont you?

As it occurs naturally, their is most likely nothing wrong with it. But by attempting to use it synthetically, you are subverting the natural process of seeing the shamanic world. I don't see how what you point out above has any relation to the discussion. This isn't about WHAT chemical allows the experience to happen. It's about the difference between the experience happening naturally and it happening through forced means, OSIT.

That's exactly right, Heimdallr. This is what is being discussed in the last 2 pages and it was made clear that using forced means to create the experiences when one is not spiritually ready, will lead one into the lower STS realm experiences.

I am surprised by your last post ZeropointNinja, because the questions you asked in your previous to last post

So, what does that leave us with? Seriously, I am asking. Do we have the tool, DMT, a natural occurrence in our bodies, our door to hell, or heaven, or what, where.... why?

Why do we have this natural built in mechanism, what are we to use it for?

Are well all Shamen?

Are well all food?

are one by one answered in these 2-3 last pages of this thread. I am surprised you missed them if you read through them. Unless are you not "seriously asking"...
 

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DMT

Dimethyltryptamine (DMT) is a naturally-occurring tryptamine and psychedelic drug, found not only in many plants, but also in trace amounts in the human body where its natural function is undetermined. Structurally, it is analogous to the neurotransmitter serotonin (5-HT) and other psychedelic tryptamines such as 5-MeO-DMT, bufotenin (5-OH-DMT), and psilocin (4-OH-DMT). DMT is created in small amounts by the human body during normal metabolism[1] by the enzyme tryptamine-N-methyltransferase.

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DMT is an agonist of the 5-HT2A receptor and also has been shown to activate the 5-HT2C receptor[5]. A study published in 2009 in Science shows that DMT is an agonist at the sigma-1 receptor.[6][7] It was speculated that DMT could be an endogenous ligand for this receptor. In this report, the concentration of DMT needed for sigma-1 activation is about 9.4 mg/L (50 µM). This concentration is higher than the average concentration measured in brain tissue or plasma, and is also about two orders of magnitude higher than that needed to activate the 5-HT2A receptor in vitro.

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Interestingly, the concentrations of DMT required to occupy a significant fraction of any of its known receptor binding sites are between 1,000 and 1,000,000-fold lower than the calculated synaptic concentration of other neurotransmitters.

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DMT is generally not active orally unless it is combined with an monoamine oxidase inhibitor (MAOI) such as a reversible inhibitor of monoamine oxidase A (RIMA), e.g., harmaline. Without a MAOI, the body quickly metabolizes orally administered DMT, and it therefore has no hallucinogenic effect unless the dose exceeds monoamine oxidase's metabolic capacity (very rare).

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(Monoamine oxidase inhibitors (MAOIs) are a class of powerful antidepressant drugs prescribed for the treatment of depression. They are particularly effective in treating atypical depression, and have also shown efficacy in smoking cessation.

Due to potentially lethal dietary and drug interactions, MAOIs had been reserved as a last line of defense, used only when other classes of antidepressant drugs (for example selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors and tricyclic antidepressants) have failed.

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MAOIs act by inhibiting the activity of monoamine oxidase, thus preventing the breakdown of monoamine neurotransmitters and thereby increasing their availability.

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MAO-A inhibition reduces the breakdown of primarily serotonin, epinephrine, and norepinephrine and thus has a higher risk of serotonin syndrome and/or a hypertensive crisis. Tyramine is broken down by MAO-A, therefore inhibiting its action may result in excessive build-up of it, so diet must be monitored for tyramine intake.

MAO-B inhibition reduces the breakdown mainly of dopamine and phenethylamine so there are no dietary restrictions associated with this.

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The most significant risk associated with the use of MAOIs, is the potential for interactions with over-the-counter and prescription medicines, illicit drugs or medications, and some supplements (e.g. St. John's Wort). It is vital that a doctor supervise such combinations to avoid adverse reactions.

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MAOIs should not be combined with other psychoactive substances (antidepressants, painkillers, stimulants, both legal and illegal etc.) except under expert care. Certain combinations can cause lethal reactions, common examples including SSRIs, tricyclics, MDMA, meperidine[5], tramadol, and dextromethorphan.

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In the 1991 film The Silence of the Lambs, Hannibal Lecter mentions that he once ate the liver of a census taker "with some fava beans and a nice Chianti." This is Lecter's most famous quote. As a psychiatrist, he would know that he had named three of the "forbidden foods" for patients taking MAO inhibitors.

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Monoamine oxidases (singular abbreviation MAO) (EC 1.4.3.4) are enzymes that catalyze the oxidation of monoamines. They are found bound to the outer membrane of mitochondria in most cell types in the body.

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Because of the vital role that MAOs play in the inactivation of neurotransmitters, MAO dysfunction (too much or too little MAO activity) is thought to be responsible for a number of neurological disorders. For example, unusually high or low levels of MAOs in the body have been associated with depression[2], schizophrenia[3][4], substance abuse, attention deficit disorder, migraines, and irregular sexual maturation.

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The genes encoding MAO-A and MAO-B are located side-by-side on the short arm of the X chromosome, and have about 70% sequence similarity. Rare mutations in the gene are associated with Brunner syndrome. (Brunner syndrome is a rare genetic disorder with a mutation in the MAOA gene. It is characterised by mild mental retardation and problematic impulsive behavior (arson, attempted rape, aggressive posturing).[1] It is caused by a monoamine oxidase A (MAOA) deficiency, which leads to an excess of monoamines in the brain, such as serotonin, dopamine, and epinephrine.)

A study reported in Science in August 2002 based on the Dunedin cohort concluded that maltreated children with a low-activity polymorphism in the promoter region of the MAO-A gene were more likely to develop antisocial conduct disorders than maltreated children with the high-activity variant.

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The suggested mechanism for this effect is the decreased ability of those with low MAO-A activity to quickly degrade norepinephrine, the synaptic neurotransmitter involved in sympathetic arousal and rage.

Research also uncovered a possible link between predisposition to novelty seeking and a genotype of the MAO-A gene.))

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Induced DMT experiences can include profound time-dilation, visual and auditory illusions, and other experiences that, by most firsthand accounts, defy verbal or visual description. Some users report intense erotic imagery and sensations and utilize the drug in a ritual sexual context.

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Several speculative and yet untested hypotheses suggest that endogenous DMT, produced in the human brain, is involved in certain psychological and neurological states. DMT is naturally produced in small amounts in the brain and other tissues of humans and other mammals.


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Dr. Rick Strassman, while conducting DMT research in the 1990s at the University of New Mexico, advanced the theory that a massive release of DMT from the pineal gland prior to death or near death was the cause of the near death experience (NDE) phenomenon. Several of his test subjects reported NDE-like audio or visual hallucinations. His explanation for this was the possible lack of panic involved in the clinical setting and possible dosage differences between those administered and those encountered in actual NDE cases. Several subjects also reported contact with 'other beings', alien like, insectoid or reptilian in nature, in highly advanced technological environments[21] where the subjects were 'carried', 'probed', 'tested', 'manipulated', 'dismembered', 'taught', 'loved' and even 'raped' by these 'beings'.


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Writers on DMT include Terence McKenna, Jeremy Narby and Graham Hancock (in his book Supernatural).

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McKenna believed DMT to be a tool that could be used to enhance communication and allow for communication with other-worldly entities. Other users report visitation from external intelligences attempting to impart information. These Machine Elf experiences are said to be shared by many DMT users. From a researcher's perspective, perhaps best known is Dr. Rick Strassman's DMT: The Spirit Molecule (ISBN 0-89281-927-8);[35] Dr. Strassman speculated that DMT is made in the pineal gland, largely because the necessary constituents (see methyltransferases) needed to make DMT are found in the pineal gland in substantially greater concentrations than any other part of the body.

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Terence Kemp McKenna (November 16, 1946 – April 3, 2000)

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Terence McKenna advocated the exploration of altered states of mind via the ingestion of naturally occurring psychedelic substances. For example, and in particular, as facilitated by the ingestion of high doses of psychedelic mushrooms, and DMT, which he believed was the apotheosis of the psychedelic experience. He spoke of the "jeweled, self-dribbling basketballs" or "self-transforming machine elves" that one encounters in that state.

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A longtime sufferer of migraines, in mid-1999 McKenna returned to his home on the big island of Hawaii after a long lecturing tour. He began to suffer from increasingly painful headaches. This culminated in three brain seizures in one night, which he claimed were the most powerful psychedelic experiences he had ever known. Upon his emergency trip to the hospital on Oahu, Terence was diagnosed with glioblastoma multiforme, a highly aggressive form of brain cancer. For the next several months he underwent various treatments, including experimental gamma knife radiation treatment. He died on April 3, 2000, at the age of 53,

I think that there are enough clues in the above extracts from wikipedia articles on the topic to inform the intelligent reader that this is not an area where one would like to mess around. Of some significance, I think, is McKenna's horrible death after so many years of screwing around with his brain chemicals.

Obviously, the necessity for the MAOI with oral administration, and its effect on other neurotransmitters means that there is far more to the "experiences" than just DMT which may be a very small player.

Also notice the hints of some sort of relationship to psychopathy... My guess is that what people experience/see is related to what is at their core.

As the Cs said:

Q: I want to you have lost a fan because he was not happy with what he considered to be "internal inconsistencies" in that you were NOT favorably disposed toward hallucinations produced by substances such as Mescaline and Ayahuasca, but yet you recommend Melatonin because it is a hallucinogen. Then, you said that spiritual powers could not be obtained through chemicals or plant type means, but then said that Melatonin exercises psychic abilities. Could you comment on this?

A: Several comments: First of all, "fan" is short for "fanatic." Secondly, melatonin does not force an alteration in physiological brain chemicals, as do mescaline, peyote, LSD, etc. Accessing the higher levels of psychical awareness through such processes is harmful to the balance levels of the prime chakra. This is because it alters the natural rhythms of psychic development by causing reliance on the part of the subject, thus subjugating the learning process. It is a form of self-imposed abridging of free will. Melatonin simply allows the system to clear obstructions in the brain chemistry naturally, thereby allowing the subject to continue to learn at a natural pace. And, it is by no means unimportant that melatonin is a natural body hormone. The other substances mentioned are, at least in part, synthetic, with the exception of peyote. But even that is not a natural ingredient of the human physiological being. And besides, we have already discussed the importance, or lack thereof, of those who pass judgment upon this exercise, or communication.
 

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ZeropointNinja said:
Interesting, there is a giant elephant in the room that Laura and others have managed to ignore...

DMT

You do realize that all of your shamanic experiences rely upon DMT, a "drug", as the bio chemical mechanism, dont you?

Heimdallr, Smaragde, and Laura have already made some good points on this. I think it's important to keep in mind that the development of "shamanic" abilities is similar to any other learning process for the human individual. Take weightlifting. If you want to bench press a lot of weight you can't do it all at once. You have to practice and increase the weight gradually. Similarly, if you want to learn calculus you need to have some understanding of the fundamentals of math in order to understand the equations. It's the same with shamanic experiences. Ingesting a foreign substance to initiate such an experience is like walking into a university level math course without a high school education. There are very many preparatory exercises and lessons which must first be assimilated before such an experience can be beneficial to the individual. The problem with most experimenters is that this knowledge is not commonly known or understood. As far as official culture is aware, there IS no high school.

When the process is followed naturally a person's knowledge base, emotional development, and physiology all act and develop in harmony. Without a knowledge base, you enter such a state "blind" without an idea of the possible dangers. You open yourself to believing lies, making incorrect interpretations, and believing something is perhaps more "spiritual" and "beneficent" than it actually is. Without emotional development, the symbols of higher reality cannot be read correctly, as emotions are what allow the discernment of "good" and "evil" (light/darkness, truth/lies, evolution/devolution, etc). Without a healthy physiology, chemicals can fry one's system, produce dependencies. It's like running a large electrical current through a system that can only handle a very small amount. Interestingly, when this process IS followed naturally, no external chemicals are necessary. The visions are spontaneous and self-produced, because the system is "prepped" and knows it can handle it. It is a natural process that is not forced.

I heard an anecdote from the 60s where a friend of a family member attended a party. At the party was an LSD-guru-type dude who thought that drugs were only for the purpose of "expanding consciousness" and growing spiritually. He gave the impression of being "high and mighty" (no pun intended!), and was quite arrogant. Anyways, on this particular night he ingested some LSD and began to suffer a "bad trip" and lost control of himself, begging for someone to help him. Now, if he'd been prepared, this wouldn't have happened, and he probably wouldn't have been doing LSD in the first place... Food for thought, perhaps.
 

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Heimdallr said:
ZeropointNinja said:
Interesting, there is a giant elephant in the room that Laura and others have managed to ignore...

DMT

You do realize that all of your shamanic experiences rely upon DMT, a "drug", as the bio chemical mechanism, dont you?

As it occurs naturally, their is most likely nothing wrong with it. But by attempting to use it synthetically, you are subverting the natural process of seeing the shamanic world. I don't see how what you point out above has any relation to the discussion. This isn't about WHAT chemical allows the experience to happen. It's about the difference between the experience happening naturally and it happening through forced means, OSIT.

In shamanic experiences that happen naturally, DMT is the key bio chemistry molecule that makes it happen.

Hence any shamanic experience (or may other categories of experience in altered states) are a result of DMT.

As Laura quoted:

"Dr. Rick Strassman, while conducting DMT research in the 1990s at the University of New Mexico, advanced the theory that a massive release of DMT from the pineal gland prior to death or near death was the cause of the near death experience (NDE) phenomenon. Several of his test subjects reported NDE-like audio or visual hallucinations. His explanation for this was the possible lack of panic involved in the clinical setting and possible dosage differences between those administered and those encountered in actual NDE cases. Several subjects also reported contact with 'other beings', alien like, insectoid or reptilian in nature, in highly advanced technological environments[21] where the subjects were 'carried', 'probed', 'tested', 'manipulated', 'dismembered', 'taught', 'loved' and even 'raped' by these 'beings'."

This information alone should get you thinking...

Do ETs cause your brain to release DMT in order for them to pull you into a 4D pocket so they may have their way with you? Is this one of the ways you would describe as forced means?

Is this their mechanism of abduction, rape, communication, what have you?

Is a thousand fold increase in DMT in our brains, through DNA activation or any other means, the way that the next level of consciousness reached for the species?

The implication and questions raised by the studies into DMT are immense, far to immense to hand wave away, and please, point out to me where the C's have addressed this issue, I have not been able to search anything out of significance.
 

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ZeropointNinja,

It has been shown that DMT has little or no value as a standalone entity. It must interact within a biological system for it to be any value. Its interaction has to benefit or, at least, be non-destructive to the system to keep it from removed by that system.

It is the system that is important, therefore a balance is desirable to avoid short or long-term damage. Respect for natural balance of the system vs. non-awareness of this critical survival issue is being demonstrated in this discussion, in my view, so I don't see a real problem.

What is the point on this insistence on a sole focus on DMT? Are you looking for approval to 'experiment'? Or perhaps an acknowledgement for being a 'good teacher?'
 

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Buddy said:
ZeropointNinja,

It has been shown that DMT has little or no value as a standalone entity. It must interact within a biological system for it to be any value. Its interaction has to benefit or, at least, be non-destructive to the system to keep it from removed by that system.

It is the system that is important, therefore a balance is desirable to avoid short or long-term damage. Respect for natural balance of the system vs. non-awareness of this critical survival issue is being demonstrated in this discussion, in my view, so I don't see a real problem.

What is the point on this insistence on a sole focus on DMT? Are you looking for approval to 'experiment'? Or perhaps an acknowledgement for being a 'good teacher?'

I focus on DMT because I have not heard of any other naturally occurring brain chemical elevated levels of which cause people to report being abducted and sometimes raped by HD/ET Greys and or Reptilians.

There are people who have reported such occurrences, yet have not taken any foreign/unnatural substances. This would lead to the conclusion of such people having elevated levels of DMT naturally occurring in their bodies. This would be an imbalance in their natural systems.

Is this imbalance a gift, or a weakness? Is it the mechanism for 4D STS entities to manipulate those individuals, and sometimes through those individuals the masses?

Is this imbalance in the system by design? Is it the UT/ET manipulation of DNA to keep the door cracked open for when they need it?

These are huge issues that I think have yet to be answered.
 

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ZeropointNinja said:
These are huge issues that I think have yet to be answered.


Perhaps so, but I think you have a huge blind spot here. Did you read this post with a desire to really understand it in the context of THIS discussion?

Perhaps you could start a separate thread to contain the results of your/anyone's speculation/research into these questions? Just an idea, fwiw.
 

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Buddy said:
ZeropointNinja said:
These are huge issues that I think have yet to be answered.


Perhaps so, but I think you have a huge blind spot here. Did you read this post with a desire to really understand it in the context of THIS discussion?

Perhaps you could start a separate thread to contain the results of your/anyone's speculation/research into these questions? Just an idea, fwiw.

Have your read Supernatural?

Or any of the works sited there within?

Is that not the nature of this discussion?
 

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ZeropointNinja said:
I focus on DMT because I have not heard of any other naturally occurring brain chemical elevated levels of which cause people to report being abducted and sometimes raped by HD/ET Greys and or Reptilians.

What you see and experience should be proportional to what you are able to handle. If the process is natural then the nature of your experiences and the energy transformations involved will not exceed your ableness to handle the experience. The knowledge and understanding extracted from your experiences, as well as your ableness to utilize the knowledge gained from them, will be determined by the level of (the growth of) your Being and the development of your Will. It's like in the martial arts. If your not physically, emotionally, and mentally prepared your gonna get clobbered. With DMT you may be able to passively see higher density thought patterns that take specific forms but then what can you do with it? The only thing that you’ll be able to ‘do’ is just passively be mind programmed by some external source that will replace the Will that you don’t have. If you don’t have your Will, then another will, will have you.
 

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ZeropointNinja said:
In shamanic experiences that happen naturally, DMT is the key bio chemistry molecule that makes it happen.

I don't think anyone here has contradicted this idea. The distinction several have tried to make is between experiences that are a result of inner development and those that are a result of ingesting DMT in an external form.

Hence any shamanic experience (or may other categories of experience in altered states) are a result of DMT.

This is an assumption. Yes it may be true, but it is by no means proven. As the wiki article says, "Several speculative and yet untested hypotheses suggest that endogenous DMT, produced in the human brain, is involved in certain psychological and neurological states." It is of course possible that other chemicals are and can be, under certain conditions, produced naturally in the human body, but have not yet been identified and studied in depth.

Do ETs cause your brain to release DMT in order for them to pull you into a 4D pocket so they may have their way with you?

This is an interesting hypothesis. I'd say it's possible. It's also possible they use other means, e.g. by inducing dissociation using any number of known or unknown techniques and technologies. It would first have to be proven that DMT is the sole cause of these phenomena for it to be a valid theory, however. Perhaps DMT is only one means to induce such a state.

Is a thousand fold increase in DMT in our brains, through DNA activation or any other means, the way that the next level of consciousness reached for the species?

I doubt it. See above for my description of a large current being pumped into a system which cannot handle it. Certain types of development (see the works of Gurdjieff, Mouravieff, and Dabrowski for descriptions of the processes involved) are necessary to insure that such experiences do not cause a negative disintegration of personality. Evolution is a self-directed process which is dependent on one's emotional level, and no genetic or chemical tampering can speed along the process. In fact, by the looks of it, 4D STS promotes the ideas of ritual magick, drug use masked as spiritual development, etc. as a means of staving off spiritual development. DMT may be one method by which they do this, but it may be one among several.
 

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ZeropointNinga said:
I focus on DMT because I have not heard of any other naturally occurring brain chemical elevated levels of which cause people to report being abducted and sometimes raped by HD/ET Greys and or Reptilians.

“…caused people to report…” may have many variances no? Not to mention multitudes of contraindications within their biology’s which may have influences that are just plain unknown. Unless other indications are quantifiably known, it is only speculation that makes them “huge issues” and is of no “conclusion” whatsoever.

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I focus on DMT because I have not heard of any other naturally occurring brain chemical elevated levels of which cause people to report.

“Elevated” in of itself is exactly what? Like external DMT applications as described prior to your post, it needs a catalyst or in this cases a monoamine oxidase inhibitor to make reaction, but is there something else missing too, is it the base, catalyst/inhibitor or another part? Naturally is DMT the base to hang your hat or just another influence such as one either of water, flour or heat used to make the loaf of bread?

These are issues to be answered as you said, but are they “huge”, all encompassing, the kind that you can spend a lifetime chasing to discover that the door being left ajar is not the door you thought it to be? Or that imbalances caused by DMT are only ¼, 1/8. 1/16, 1/32 or 1/64… of the ingredients and some of the others are even as yet to be known? At this point it seems that it is like pursuing Alchemical questions and methods when the language is not well understood as Fulcanelli alludes, and therein lies the danger if recreating to know.

The neurotransmitter/chemical book may be in its infancy or may be well along but it is likely not conclusive yet, so if questioning as to whether DMT induced imbalances is a “gift”, “weakness” or even a “mechanism” for access seems like putting the cart before the horse and until we know, then we will know, and not until the variability of ingredients can be spoken for.
 

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very interesting discussion here.

As has already been pointed out, there is a world of difference between: experiences being manifest by virtue of one's level of being and the actions one is consciously taking, the hard work that is required to "pay strict attention to objective reality right and left" (which may result in physical things happening within the body, in fact it must do, because that is one level of the 'vehicle' we use) - versus artificially hijacking the body's physical mechanisms in order to create something artificial, to try to bend reality to our own desires, "viewing the world as something to be overcome, or ignored".

Consider the hard drugs that some people take to induce an artificial high - they work by co-opting the body's system of producing 'feel good' chemicals, either by inhibiting re-uptake, or by simulating the natural chemicals, either way, to flood the body with feelings of euphoria. Now, clearly, this is highly dangerous! Yet, to extrapolate ZPN's line of thought, it would seem, by extension that endorphins are the only cause of these feelings, rather than the physical mechanism which can come into play for a fundamentally different reason - for example, the joy that is experienced when one is involved in life with things that are truly important to one's being, the joy of learning, of working and seeing results, the joy of interacting with colinear people towards a common conscious AIM, in short, when one consciously engages with the creative principle - in such an instance, endorphins might possibly be released in the physical body, but one can hardly say that that is the 'driving force' behind the actions - that would be to view the whole thing 'in reverse', as from an STS perspective.
 

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ZeropointNinja said:
In shamanic experiences that happen naturally, DMT is the key bio chemistry molecule that makes it happen.

That is theorized but not proven. I agree that it appears to be a key component, but there are several other neurochemicals that seem to be involved there, mainly the MAOI which play a very big part in the artificially induced shamanic visions. In other words, nobody is really talking about what those other neurotransmitters are doing, what their values are, what specific combinations may be required to produce the specific effects, and so on.

ZeropointNinja said:
Hence any shamanic experience (or may other categories of experience in altered states) are a result of DMT.

No, not "hence." See above. Think about this: when the body suffers an injury, say a puncture wound, and begins certain cascades of activities to erect defenses (multiplying of white blood cells, activation of production of fibrin to repair that wound, etc., you have a clear case of cause and effect. You would say that the wound triggered the body to do it's usual maintenance work.

However, you can also chemically stimulate the body to do all of those maintenance things without the presence of the wound.

Would you say that the process is exactly the same? That the body's activity in response to a wound is the same as the body's activity in response to chemical stimulation of the defense/repair response?

Nearly everything about the process is exactly the same except that the trigger is different and what happens to the activated elements is different. In the first instance, there is a natural, causal reason, and all of the activated systems have a job to do and that job means that the production of the various elements all have a "place to go" and a natural way to be metabolized during the process. In the second case, the elements are activated, but with no real wound to "work on" they may very well create a system jam, or attack some normal part of the body, produce a blood clot that leads to a larger system breakdown, and so on. That is because, without the REASON for the triggering being the one for which the system was designed, there is no natural way to metabolize the products of the system.

Now, that may not be the perfect metaphor, but I think you can get the idea.

Is DMT really implicated in alien abductions? Are alien abductions a result of DMT or is DMT a result of alien abductions?

Notice in the blurb from wikipedia about Strasssman that he "advanced the theory that a massive release of DMT from the pineal gland prior to death or near death was the cause of the near death experience (NDE) phenomenon. Several of his test subjects reported NDE-like audio or visual hallucinations."

Next notice that Several subjects also reported contact with 'other beings', alien like, insectoid or reptilian in nature, in highly advanced technological environments[21] where the subjects were 'carried', 'probed', 'tested', 'manipulated', 'dismembered', 'taught', 'loved' and even 'raped' by these 'beings'.

In short, there were two distinct classes of experiences: the classic NDE and the alien abduction scenario.

Right here we have a clue that it is not JUST the DMT, but rather that something else is in play. That could be the differences in the neurochemical mix that is triggered by the MAOI which is probably related to the genetics of the different individuals.

This brings up the question: what would DMT do in a psychopath vs an individual with soul potential? What about Organic Portals? What kinds of "DMT Experiences" might they have? It has been shown that the neurochemical mix in the brain of the psychopath is different and ALSO that the neurochemicals have different effects in the brain of the psychopath because some of the basic structures are different. Notice the clues that I included in my post that relate to this - the relationship of MAOI to violent and aggressive behavior.

ZeropointNinja said:
Do ETs cause your brain to release DMT in order for them to pull you into a 4D pocket so they may have their way with you? Is this one of the ways you would describe as forced means?

I think that here is where you have to think about my example above about the activation of defense/repair systems in the body in the presence of a wound, a physical breach. In this sense, is the event really happening (is there really an abduction taking place?) or is it being triggered by other means? Perhaps you should read my book "High Strangeness" which addresses the abduction issue?

ZeropointNinja said:
Is this their mechanism of abduction, rape, communication, what have you?

Probably not. Though there are undoubtedly a lot of conditions in modern life - and even conditions in the natural world - that could trigger the release of DMT and, depending on the genetics of the individual which determine the rest of the neurochemical mix, could produce such delusions.

And then, there is 4th Density. When you bring in that factor, all bets are off.

ZeropointNinja said:
Is a thousand fold increase in DMT in our brains, through DNA activation or any other means, the way that the next level of consciousness reached for the species?

Again, what would be the trigger? Is it the wound that triggers a natural systemic response with a complete process of metabolizing or do you think that the DMT release itself would create the illusion of a wound? The metaphor is not the best here because I don't want to suggest that achieving higher levels of consciousness is akin to a wound, but the dynamic of systemic processes is much the same whether it is a reaction to a wound or a reaction to something that makes you laugh or cry: a cascade of natural, systemic responses is set in motion in reaction to an external stimuli, rather than the cascade beginning on its own and then producing the illusion of what is "out there."

ZeropointNinja said:
The implication and questions raised by the studies into DMT are immense, far to immense to hand wave away,

Nobody is hand-waving them away. What is problematical here is your approach to the topic. Such discussions require cool heads and careful consideration. It's not a "drive by commentary" topic.

ZeropointNinja said:
and please, point out to me where the C's have addressed this issue, I have not been able to search anything out of significance.

There are several clues. I already posted one set of remarks about the use of hallucinogens. Here are a couple more that are related:

Cs 12 April 1997 said:
Q: In some of the ancient carvings of the Olmecs, they were
always carved with a cleft in their foreheads. Did this
represent an actual physical cleft?
A: Designation in the art work is for "The Nation of the
Third Eye."
Q: We have talked about the Nation of the Third Eye before.
What is the third eye and how does one activate it?
A: What do you think?
Q: Well, what I think may be erroneous. Is it the pineal
gland?
A: May be part of the picture.
Q: Is the third eye something one can use to view their
reality?
A: Ditto.
Q: What is the best method for activating it?
A: This is a good one, for example.
Q: Oh, you mean channeling.

Cs 15 April 2000 said:
Q: (L) This is something I have always wanted to get into a session, but I keep forgetting it. So, I wrote it down so I wouldn't forget. What is a "Merkabah?" All these New Age types are talking about it all over the place, and I just want to know if the standard interpretation is anything close to the reality. What is a Merkabah?

A: A creative creation.

Q: (L) Are you saying...

A: As were...

Q: (L) You didn't let me finish my question!

A: We heard it in you.

Q: (L) Well, just to get the question on the record, it was are all these people making all this stuff up about what the Merkabah is?

A: But then again, what is made up and why? It is not so simple!

Q: (L) In ancient literature, something called a Merkabah is talked about, but the definition of this extremely mysterious thing has been lost down through the centuries. There have been many "explanations" from such sources as the Midrash - Jewish commentaries - but there is even argument there. It seems that, even then, nobody knew what it was. But now, we have all these New Age folks coming along who have decided that they know what it is, and it is variously described as rotating double tetrahedrons...

A: If no one knows what it is, that is as good as any other explanation.

Q: (L) I want to know what the ancients who wrote about it meant? What is the definition of the word as the ancient writers used it?

A: The original definition predates this.

Q: (L) What is the original definition that predated the ancient writings that we have access to?

A: What do you think?

Q: (L) What? Well, it's a curious word because it is composed of two words or even three: mer kaba or mer ka ba. If we think of it as three part word, we have the Egyptian Ka, which is like the astral body, and the Ba which is similar to the Ka. I guess you could think of them as the astral body and the genetic body. Then there is the Ab which is the sort of principle element of the life in man - like the part that is of God or the soul. The Ab was represented as a red stone. It was the part of the man that expressed desire, lust, courage, wisdom, feeling, sense and intelligence. So, all of them together sort of expresses an abstract creative principle Kaaba is Arabic for cube, and it is the square stone building in which the Black Stone is housed in Mecca. It was supposed to have been built by Ishmael and Abraham. So with Mer, Ka, Ab, and Ba, we have a cube made up of the principle parts of the etheric self, and housing a stone. Soul stone? Mother stone?

A: By god, she's got it!

Q: (L) Okay, we've got the soul or mother stone. Or the mother of all stones. Now that we have a definition, what was it?

A: The Matriarch Stone.

Q: (L) Is the Matriarch Stone the one in Mecca?

A: Symbolism reigns supreme here.

Q: (T) Is this also the Philosopher's Stone?

A: "Stone" to those you perceive as ancients symbolized communication from "a higher source."

Q: (L) What is it about a stone that made the ancients associate it with communication?

A: Radio waves.

Q: (L) How did radio waves interact with the stone? Were they recorded by the stone; transmitted by the stone?

A: Transmission.

Q: (T) Crystals are stones. Crystals are used for radio transmissions.

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And it was said before that Stonehenge was a giant transmitter and receiver. The original purpose of Stonehenge was to receive communication and to send communication. It wasn't all that Druid HooDoo stuff that people talk about nowadays. It was a machine, so to speak. (Johan) Could it be that people who come in contact with a stone in one place, and then they go to another place and come in contact with another stone, transfer something from one stone to another?

A: Well, one strengthens their abilities due to awareness channel grooving.

Q: (L) What gets strengthened from contact with the stones?

A: Your abilities.

Q: (L) When they are talking about this Mother Stone, are they talking about something similar to the Atlantean crystals that gathered, dispersed and/or transduced energy?

A: It is more symbolic. But you are on the right track.

Q: (L) So, in talking about Merkabah, we are not talking about spinning tetrahedrons that enable you to ascend or generate some kind of "astral vehicle." They are saying that visualizing yourself inside of one of these enables you to ascend, or something.

A: If you do that, it may help, though.

Q: (L) It may help what?

A: We are going around in circles here. You should use your own abilities to complete the answers to some of these. But, then again, it is one form of "spinning," is it not?

Q: (T) Everything we have been doing here is all about gaining knowledge and increasing frequency in order to transit from 3rd to 4th density. In ancient times, they would have had to do the same things. But, there may not have been as many experiences available. In order to get experiences, they may have had to travel. So, by going to the stones, they might have increased their frequencies to transit from 3rd to 4th density.

(L) Or they used them as a direct machine or device to do it. Archaeologists say that the people who erected the megaliths were barbarians. They are defined as barbarians because they didn't build cities, they didn't have the wheel, they didn't have organized agriculture, and they left no written records. Those are the defined elements of civilization. Yet, this group of people, whoever they were, did things that we cannot duplicate today, and they did it all over the globe. The groups who came along after them who DID have all the hallmarks of what we call civilization, also could not erect these gargantuan stones. I thought about this for a long time. Archaeologists say they must have erected them as monuments to their gods, or heroes or whatever. Some of them think they were calendars to tell them when to plant the corn. Well, I think that is stretching it a bit. If you can't cross off the days on the wall and look outside and see that it is time to plant the corn, you're in pretty sad shape. You hardly need to haul stones as big as buildings across hills and valleys to set them up in special places to tell you to do that! The psychology of the human being cannot have changed all that much over the many thousands of years from then to now, and it is true that people do not do anything without a powerful motivation; what I call the "payoff." What could be the payoff to haul these things around on greased logs as they are depicted? To create a monument or to bury their kings? To get naked and dance in the moonlight?

(A) Like they had a lot of time to do this while struggling to live the barbarian existence, too!

(L) Yeah. They are supposed to be howling savages who must constantly hunt to get food, yet they are spending all their time, occupying all their strongest men, to push rocks around! Meanwhile, according to the archaeologists and paleontologists, these folks only live to about 40 years at max!

(T) They got a lot of mileage out of those 40 years!

(L) Exactly! But, we are supposed to be thinking about the things they didn't have: cities, wheels, agriculture, and writing.

(F) Maybe they didn't need it.

(L) And why would that be? Because the stones did it all!

(T) Maybe they were 4th density STO beings who planted all those stones all over the place.

(L) Well, if you think about a group of people who are setting up these massive stones like they were pieces of styrofoam. The stones collect energy and information. They then transduce the energy or amplify it. These people know things about movement, dances or spinning or something, that enables them to behave in concert with the stones so that they all become part of a grand machine that does things! All of the legends talk about stylized dances and the oldest things about Stonehenge say that it was the Temple of Apollo and that Apollo danced there all night at certain periods of time. Every 19 years, I believe. When you think about that, and the other places Apollo appeared, the inversions and redactions of the legends, and we come to these magical stones that produce things.

Then we come to the head of Bran the Blessed which supposedly produced endless supplies of bread and fish or whatever else was desired. Bran's head was the giver of all good things. But more than that, it was an oracle. It could speak. And here we have the idea of a similar function for Stonehenge: both an oracle as well as a giver of blessings and bounty. Anything you wanted or needed it provided for you. If you wanted to go somewhere, it transported you as in the legends of the flying carpets. It was magic transportation. All of these things are associated, when you track them back far enough, with a stone. The stones did everything.

(J) And it is funny that stones come up. What I have been doing for the past 10 or 15 years is running around the globe collecting stones. I've been to some of the most ancient places on earth, and I go from one to the other. And from each one, I've collected stones. Plus, Apollo: on Crete, there was an oracle of Apollo on Tara...

(L) And there was Tara in Ireland...

(J) I wouldn't be surprised if Tara meant stone too! How is all this connected?

(L) Exactly. This is what I have always thought about these megaliths. They DID things. All of the things we think are the "signs" of civilization were done by the stones. Maybe Terry is right; these people were at some level of density where they could make this work. At some point, something happened, the ability was lost, and then people had to build cities, engage in agriculture, invent the wheel, and develop writing - because they could no longer do it the "easy" way.

(J) In talking about stones, would the mother of all stones be the navel of the earth; is that the same as Ayers rock? It's the largest stone on earth and they call it the navel of the earth.

(L) Does Ayers rock have anything to do with this?

A: No. Stones were once utilized to provide for all needs, as the energies transmitted connected directly with the pituitary gland to connect spiritual realities with the material realms of 3rd and 4th densities. So you see, the "stone" was viewed as Matriarchal indeed!

Q: (L) Were the beings involved in this type of activity 3rd density, 4th density or bi-density?

A: Originally 4th when home was in other locators.

Q: (L) Could it be said that the pituitary gland itself is the body's own "mother stone?"

A: If you prefer.

Now, a bit about the pituitary gland from wikipedia:

The pituitary gland, or hypophysis, is an endocrine gland about the size of a pea and weighing 0.5 g (0.02 oz.). It is a protrusion off the bottom of the hypothalamus at the base of the brain, and rests in a small, bony cavity (sella turcica) covered by a dural fold (diaphragma sellae). The pituitary fossa, in which the pituitary gland sits, is situated in the sphenoid bone in the middle cranial fossa at the base of the brain. It is considered a master gland. The pituitary gland secretes hormones regulating homeostasis, including tropic hormones that stimulate other endocrine glands. It is functionally connected to the hypothalamus by the median eminence.

Located at the base of the brain, the pituitary is composed of two lobes: the anterior pituitary (adenohypophysis) and the posterior pituitary (neurohypophysis). The pituitary is functionally linked to the hypothalamus by the pituitary stalk, whereby hypothalamic releasing factors are released and, in turn, stimulate the release of pituitary hormones. Although the pituitary gland is known as the master endocrine gland, both of its lobes are under the control of the hypothalamus.

The anterior pituitary synthesizes and secretes important endocrine hormones, such as ACTH, TSH, PRL, GH, endorphins, FSH, and LH. These hormones are released from the anterior pituitary under the influence of the hypothalamus.

The posterior pituitary stores and releases:

* Oxytocin, most of which is released from the paraventricular nucleus in the hypothalamus
* Antidiuretic hormone (ADH, also known as vasopressin and AVP, arginine vasopressin), the majority of which is released from the supraoptic nucleus in the hypothalamus

Oxytocin is one of the few hormones to create a positive feedback loop. For example, uterine contractions stimulate the release of oxytocin from the posterior pituitary, which, in turn, increases uterine contractions. This positive feedback loop continues throughout labor.

There is also an intermediate lobe in many animals. For instance, in fish, it is believed to control physiological color change. In adult humans, it is just a thin layer of cells between the anterior and posterior pituitary. The intermediate lobe produces melanocyte-stimulating hormone (MSH), although this function is often (imprecisely) attributed to the anterior pituitary.

The pituitary hormones help control some of the following body processes:

* Growth
* Blood pressure
* Some aspects of pregnancy and childbirth including stimulation of uterine contractions during childbirth
* Breast milk production
* Sex organ functions in both men and women
* Thyroid gland function
* The conversion of food into energy (metabolism)
* Water and osmolarity regulation in the body
* Secretes ADH (antidiuretic hormone) to control the absorption of water into the kidneys
* Temperature regulation

The hypothalamus is a portion of the brain that contains a number of small nuclei with a variety of functions. One of the most important functions of the hypothalamus is to link the nervous system to the endocrine system via the pituitary gland (hypophysis).

The hypothalamus is located below the thalamus, just above the brain stem. In the terminology of neuroanatomy, it forms the ventral part of the diencephalon. All vertebrate brains contain a hypothalamus. In humans, it is roughly the size of an almond.

The hypothalamus is responsible for certain metabolic processes and other activities of the Autonomic Nervous System. It synthesizes and secretes neurohormones, often called hypothalamic-releasing hormones, and these in turn stimulate or inhibit the secretion of pituitary hormones. The hypothalamus controls body temperature, hunger, thirst,[1] fatigue, and circadian cycles.

The hypothalamus is a complex region in the brain of humans, and even small nuclei within the hypothalamus are involved in many different functions. The paraventricular nucleus for instance contains oxytocin and vasopressin (also called antidiuretic hormone) neurons which project to the posterior pituitary, but also contains neurons that regulate ACTH and TSH secretion (which project to the anterior pituitary), gastric reflexes, maternal behavior, blood pressure, feeding, immune responses, and temperature.

The hypothalamus co-ordinates many hormonal and behavioural circadian rhythms, complex patterns of neuroendocrine outputs, complex homeostatic mechanisms,[2] and many important behaviours.

The hypothalamus must therefore respond to many different signals, some of which are generated externally and some internally. It is thus richly connected with many parts of the central nervous system, including the brainstem reticular formation and autonomic zones, the limbic forebrain (particularly the amygdala, septum, diagonal band of Broca, and the olfactory bulbs, and the cerebral cortex).

The hypothalamus is responsive to:

* Light: daylength and photoperiod for regulating circadian and seasonal rhythms
* Olfactory stimuli, including pheromones
* Steroids, including gonadal steroids and corticosteroids
* Neurally transmitted information arising in particular from the heart, the stomach, and the reproductive tract
* Autonomic inputs
* Blood-borne stimuli, including leptin, ghrelin, angiotensin, insulin, pituitary hormones, cytokines, plasma concentrations of glucose and osmolarity etc
* Stress
* Invading microorganisms by increasing body temperature, resetting the body's thermostat upward.


The Hypothalamus affects the endocrine system and governs emotional behavior, such as, anger and sexual activity. Most of the hypothalamic hormones generated are distributed to the pituitary via the hypophyseal portal system.[10] The hypothalamus maintains homeostasis this includes a regulation of blood pressure, heart rate, and temperature.

According to D.F. Swaab, "Neurobiological research related to sexual orientation in humans is only just gathering momentum, but the evidence already shows that humans have a vast array of brain differences, not only in relation to gender, but also in relation to sexual orientation."[13] Specifically, there are similarities between the hypothalamuses in heterosexual men (HeM) and homosexual women (HoW) and also between homosexual men (HoM) and heterosexual women (HeW).

The hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal axis (HPA or HTPA axis), also known as the limbic-hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal axis (LHPA axis), is a complex set of direct influences and feedback interactions among the hypothalamus (a hollow, funnel-shaped part of the brain), the pituitary gland (a pea-shaped structure located below the hypothalamus), and the adrenal (or suprarenal) glands (small, conical organs on top of the kidneys). The interactions among these organs constitute the HPA axis, a major part of the neuroendocrine system that controls reactions to stress and regulates many body processes, including digestion, the immune system, mood and emotions, sexuality, and energy storage and expenditure. A wide variety of species, from the most ancient organisms to humans, share components of the HPA axis. It is the common mechanism for interactions among glands, hormones, and parts of the midbrain that mediate the general adaptation syndrome (GAS).

The HPA axis is involved in the neurobiology of mood disorders and functional illnesses, including anxiety disorder, bipolar disorder, insomnia, post-traumatic stress disorder, borderline personality disorder, ADHD, major depressive disorder, burnout, chronic fatigue syndrome, fibromyalgia, irritable bowel syndrome, and alcoholism.[1] Antidepressants, which are routinely prescribed for many of these illnesses, serve to regulate HPA axis function.[2]

Note that a great many individuals who claim to have been abducted have many issues with these last mentioned disorders. But again, is it because of real abductions, or because some frequency, natural or artificial, is producing the effect?

Notice in the text above that the hypothalamus forms the ventral part of the diencephalon. Studies have shown that injuries to the diencephalon are strongly related to paranoid personality disorder. It might be useful to consider a description of this personality:

It is characteristic of paranoid behavior for people to be capable of relatively correct reasoning and discussion as long as the conversation involves minor differences of opinions. This stops abruptly when the partner's arguments begin to undermine their overvalued ideas, crush their long-held stereotypes of reasoning, or force them to accept a conclusion they had subconsciously rejected before. Such a stimulus unleashes upon the partner a torrent of pseudo-logical, largely paramoralistic, often insulting utterances which always contain some degree of suggestion.

Utterances like these inspire aversion among cultivated and logical people, but they enslave less critical minds, e.g. people with other kinds of psychological deficiencies, who were earlier the objects of the egotistical influence of individuals with character disorders, and in particular a large part of the young. A low-class person may perceive this to be a kind of victory over higher-class people and thus take the paranoid person's side. However, this is not the normal reaction among the common people, where perceiving of psychological reality is no less acute than among intellectuals. In sum then, the response accepting paranoid argumentation is qualitatively more frequent in reverse proportion to the civilization level of the community in question, although it never approaches the majority. Nevertheless, paranoid individuals become aware of their enslaving influence through experience, and attempt to take advantage thereof in a pathologically egotistic manner.

We know today that the psychological mechanism of paranoid phenomena is twofold: one is caused by damage to the brain tissue, the other is functional or behavioral. Within the above mentioned process of rehabilitation, any brain-tissue lesion causes a certain degree of loosening of accurate thinking and, as a consequence, of the personality structure. Most typical are those cases caused by an aggression in the diencephalon by various pathological factors, resulting in its permanently decreased tonal ability, and similarly of the tonus of inhibition in the brain cortex. Particularly during sleepless nights, runaway thoughts give rise to a paranoidally changed view of human reality, as well as to ideas which can be either gently naive or violently revolutionary. Let us call this kind paranoidal characteropathy.

In persons free of brain-tissue lesions, such phenomena most frequently occur as a result of being reared by people with paranoidal characteropathia, along with the psychological terror of their childhood. Such psychological material is then assimilated creating the rigid stereotypes of abnormal experiencing. This makes it difficult for thought and world-view to develop normally, and the terror-blocked contents become transformed into permanent functional congestive centers.

I hope you can draw the interesting connections between this personality disorder and certain elements of the shamanic experience as reported by those utilizing DMT+MAOI.

The body is a very, very complex system and if you begin to study it at length, you begin to think that there are a lot of things we don't understand and we should most definitely take care before we experiment. Finally, shame on those researchers who come up with some of this half-baked crap and release it to the public without the proper caveats!
 
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