Home to alter as you please

[BHelmet]

There is a Neo-esque splinter in my mind that has puzzled me for a long time. It stems from a C's quote from 1995:

"A: (snip).....Remember, most all power necessary for altering reality and physicality is contained within the belief center of the mind. This is something you will understand more closely when you reach 4th density reality where physicality is no longer a prison, but is instead, your home, for you to alter as you please. In your current state, you have the misinterpretation of believing that reality is finite and therein lies your difficulty with finite physical existence. We are surprised that you are still not able to completely grasp this concept."

So, this idea that the variable physicality of 4th density will be a home to "alter as you please"...sounds...well...STS-ish to me.

What with the focus on dispelling illusions, stepping out of subjectivity and accessing objective reality, this idea strikes me as being kind of counterintuitive.

Ideas? Thoughts? Intuitions? Feelings? Help?

 

[electrosonic]

Well if you think about it, right here in our existence at the moment, all of the minerals of the earth are available for us to alter as we please (metal, plastics, glass etc) and really its all down to how you decide to utilise the local resources available.
Do you take whatever you can, make all the items that aid your own survival above others, or are the resources used to help all equally?
Surely its the same in 4d. The local environment is there to aid your growth, and its all down to the intent behind the actions.
I assume in an sts environment the local resource will be used to aid the individual or the pyramidal hierarchy, but in an sto environment it will be used to advance everyone equally.
How's that sound?

 

[3DStudent]

I agree with electrosonic. My first thought was that an STO in 4D would alter the physically in a way that is respectful of the other beings in the environment and that ultimately, or instantaneously for that matter, benefits all. And an STS being in 4D would be more self centered and subjective with its altering of physicality.

 

[Nević Nenad]

There is a Neo-esque splinter in my mind that has puzzled me for a long time. It stems from a C's quote from 1995:

"A: (snip).....Remember, most all power necessary for altering reality and physicality is contained within the belief center of the mind. This is something you will understand more closely when you reach 4th density reality where physicality is no longer a prison, but is instead, your home, for you to alter as you please. In your current state, you have the misinterpretation of believing that reality is finite and therein lies your difficulty with finite physical existence. We are surprised that you are still not able to completely grasp this concept."

So, this idea that the variable physicality of 4th density will be a home to "alter as you please"...sounds...well...STS-ish to me.

What with the focus on dispelling illusions, stepping out of subjectivity and accessing objective reality, this idea strikes me as being kind of counterintuitive.

Ideas? Thoughts? Intuitions? Feelings? Help?

I would say that if you read this in somewhat different manner, there will be different perspective on this :)

where physicality is no longer a prison

Then:

but is instead, your home, for you to alter as you please

I think before everything else, they are thinking on our own physicality, our own physical bodies, not nature per se.

I don't see anything STS in changing my body according to my wishes, if I would be able to do so. Or my close physical space. Its like doing exercise for physical strength, or rearranging furniture in your home. Of course, making care that I don't go against other people's free will in the process. And after all its MY body, and my space, not someone else's.

 

[cope]

There is a Neo-esque splinter in my mind that has puzzled me for a long time. It stems from a C's quote from 1995:

"A: (snip).....Remember, most all power necessary for altering reality and physicality is contained within the belief center of the mind. This is something you will understand more closely when you reach 4th density reality where physicality is no longer a prison, but is instead, your home, for you to alter as you please. In your current state, you have the misinterpretation of believing that reality is finite and therein lies your difficulty with finite physical existence. We are surprised that you are still not able to completely grasp this concept."

So, this idea that the variable physicality of 4th density will be a home to "alter as you please"...sounds...well...STS-ish to me.

What with the focus on dispelling illusions, stepping out of subjectivity and accessing objective reality, this idea strikes me as being kind of counterintuitive.

Ideas? Thoughts? Intuitions? Feelings? Help?

I agree on that: sounds sts-ish.
As sto one would think more from/with it's group, no that would also be sts-ish..
One would do the necessary manipulation, in the flow, by suggesting respectfully, while keeping the appropriate mindset
Using the believe center for changing reality.,
would also work somewhat in 3D, maybe even in dream-state-with-focus.
And didn't we fall from grace, for indulging in physicality?
Did we then do it or were we just dreaming of it?
Using the believe center for holding reality
Like here we don't believe their construction of reality, we hold on to objective reality.
Going against the chaos, even keeping the real.

 

[Ruth]

I'm not sure if I am surprised at your puzzlement or happy that you are just puzzled. My Neo-esque splinters are really quite scarily fearful!!!

It seems to me that 'reality', such that it is, has an equal capacity to be as destructive as creative. And when you're talking about 4th density, we're all pretty ignorant about it, because we're not actually 'there' yet. Kind of like a reflection of a reflection?

So.... a couple of questions. What are you NOT seeing? And secondly are you engaging in 'wishful thinking' because of an interpretation of a session and what you'd LIKE it to mean?

Actually they're quite hard questions, when I think about it. A real can of worms, but sometimes that's what we miss acknowledging the most.

 

[cope]

I'm not sure if I am surprised at your puzzlement or happy that you are just puzzled. My Neo-esque splinters are really quite scarily fearful!!!

It seems to me that 'reality', such that it is, has an equal capacity to be as destructive as creative. And when you're talking about 4th density, we're all pretty ignorant about it, because we're not actually 'there' yet. Kind of like a reflection of a reflection?

So.... a couple of questions. What are you NOT seeing? And secondly are you engaging in 'wishful thinking' because of an interpretation of a session and what you'd LIKE it to mean?

Actually they're quite hard questions, when I think about it. A real can of worms, but sometimes that's what we miss acknowledging the most.

A can of worms, the last thing one wants to focus on in 4D. :D

 

[cope]

I'm making noise, sorry.

 

[Alada]

I think before everything else, they are thinking on our own physicality, our own physical bodies, not nature per se.

That’s my initial impression too, that the quote relates to our own bodies. But then it says "altering reality and physicality", so maybe its 3d thinking to imagine it in terms of "I wish to change this or that external object/s to suit myself" whereas it might be something more along the line of "I wish to alter my own experience of reality / physicality", where you could 'manifest' or experience any one of limitless possibilities which already exist in 4d. So it’s not as if you're manipulating or changing something that wasn’t already 'there', just shifting your own perspective in order to experience it.

Whether something is STS or STO then is going to depend on the the intent behind the action as others mentioned, the reason why.

 

[Joe]

So, this idea that the variable physicality of 4th density will be a home to "alter as you please"...sounds...well...STS-ish to me.

What with the focus on dispelling illusions, stepping out of subjectivity and accessing objective reality, this idea strikes me as being kind of counterintuitive.

Ideas? Thoughts? Intuitions? Feelings? Help?

I don't really understand why the idea of altering something as you please is STS....even ish! I mean, is it STS for a child to alter the sand in a sandbox, when the sand has been put there specifically for the purpose of alteration? Accessing objective reality does not mean doing nothing, or non interaction. What it means is understanding the basic polarities of reality, your own nature and emotions and thoughts and how you interact with reality. It also means having chosen, to a significant degree, a polarity with which you align. That choice, along with having mastered your own nature to an adequate level, is enough for you to be "eligible" to interact with reality in a more direct and consciously interactive way.

There's a comment from the Ra channel that speaks to this directly, but I can't find it right now. Maybe someone else knows the one I'm referring to.

 

[luc]

I don't really understand why the idea of altering something as you please is STS....even ish! I mean, is it STS for a child to alter the sand in a sandbox, when the sand has been put there specifically for the purpose of alteration? Accessing objective reality does not mean doing nothing, or non interaction. What it means is understanding the basic polarities of reality, your own nature and emotions and thoughts and how you interact with reality. It also means having chosen, to a significant degree, a polarity with which you align. That choice, along with having mastered your own nature to an adequate level, is enough for you to be "eligible" to interact with reality in a more direct and consciously interactive way.

There's a comment from the Ra channel that speaks to this directly, but I can't find it right now. Maybe someone else knows the one I'm referring to.

I had similar thoughts - I don't see anything wrong with "altering" or "manipulating" physical reality, although of course we can't grasp what that means exactly. But we do know how we can "alter reality" here in 3D - by choosing and acting based on these choices! Which of course can lean more towards STS or STO.

I imagine that if it is possible to alter reality at will, a 4D STO being would do these things based on a clear assessment, understanding and thorough networking. He/she wouldn't just mess with stuff for pleasure. I even imagine that such a being would at times deliberately put/alter himself into dangerous trouble, STO-kamikaze-style, if it serves a specific purpose or if this is what is needed to learn a specific lesson - the very opposite of creating a fancy fantasy world for him/herself. There are probably a million things such a powerful STO being could engage in to serve others.

I guess STS beings, on the other hand, will try to create their fantasy kingdoms where they rule supreme and can feast on everything they wish by exploiting others. In fact, our world could very well be such a STS fantasy land

 

[bjorb]

[quote author= BHelmet]What with the focus on dispelling illusions, stepping out of subjectivity and accessing objective reality, this idea strikes me as being kind of counterintuitive.

Ideas? Thoughts? Intuitions? Feelings? Help?[/quote]

I think that it was just a way of describing what 4D is like and to open our mind to infinite possibilities.


It’s also very tricky to alter reality as you please. Without sufficient self-knowledge you may get lost in your own fantasy kingdoms. That’s why its huge disadvantage for 4STS. Wishful thinking rules them.

 

[Nević Nenad]

Maybe it is about altering physical reality also, but in the 4D physical reality is not that important like on 3D, only if you chose to be so. And if you chose that physical reality is important, you are STS. On the end it looks like it maters if you are doing it 'with a flair', just for yourself, or you are doing it obsessively with some other gains in your mind. It maters why you do it.

(or something like that anyway . . . :) )

 

[Neil]

Imagine wanting to soar to the top of that mountain; wings appear and you do it. Imagine you want to swim in the supercritical waters of a mini-Neptune class planet to observe the bioluminescent whale-birds that live there; you can morph into something which can tolerate that environment. Imagine you want to commune with the trees to see what they're saying about the planet you live on and how it should be improved, you project your consciousness into some kind of energy lattice that can connect with all the trees in the world and decode their impressions. The universe is yours to explore without the limitations of physicality to hold you back. There is nothing inherently STS about it. Of course that cuts both ways, if 4th density feeds more on the psychic energies that are produced by various beings rather than physical sustenance as we understand it, then you could also turn into some type of scary dragon thing with big claws and "play" with your food a bit before you consume it if that is the type of energy you eat.

The 3D body is woefully limited in what it can do, the only advantage you have over 2D is a bigger processor which allows you a bit more control over it. I've often thought about how close 2D physicality and 3D physicality really is, and in a physical sense I'm really nothing more than a chimp with a bigger brain.

Most people have fantasized over what it would be like to soar like a bird or swim in the deep oceans, but we can only approximate these things for brief periods of time through the use of expensive technology. It's not really much fun. The Cassiopaeans seem to be saying that in 4D these limitations are removed and you can have the best of both worlds, therefore physicality is your home instead of the prison it is for me. From a 3D perspective all of this is just a childish flight of fancy, but from a 4D perspective it is a possibility. That's what I got out of it.

 

[whitecoast]

Most people have fantasized over what it would be like to soar like a bird or swim in the deep oceans, but we can only approximate these things for brief periods of time through the use of expensive technology. It's not really much fun. The Cassiopaeans seem to be saying that in 4D these limitations are removed and you can have the best of both worlds, therefore physicality is your home instead of the prison it is for me. From a 3D perspective all of this is just a childish flight of fancy, but from a 4D perspective it is a possibility. That's what I got out of it.

One idea I had is that technology could be part of the manifestation of the removal of limitations. This could be why certain technologies (like free energy, time travel, teleportation) are kept under wraps by the universe until the race is deemed evolved enough to make proper use of it. One reason I thought of this was that aliens are 4D but apparently still use a lot of technology.