How can I be freed from any inadvertent deals with 4th density STSs?

[lake_george]

I am reading "The Wave", and have come across this quote:

I was recently reading a book that is devoted to miracles down through the ages, most particularly apparitions of the Virgin including the “miracle at Fatima”, and so on. The one thing I noted over and over again was the “bidding process”. Such entities will ask for something to be done — prayers, build a church, repentance, or whatever — and the witnesses, being overcome by the miraculous nature of the appearance, immediately set about complying with these wishes. In some cases, there is a deal whereby the entity (usually the Virgin and assorted saints or members of the “Holy Family”) offers some sort of compensation for the required observances. In one case it was victory in battle, in another it was a good harvest or rain.

What so many people don’t realize is that to respond to a command of any kind, the “bidding”, whether it is to pray or build a church or paint a sign on your shield or even to erect a monument by piling three stones on the side of the road, one has accepted domination! One has tacitly agreed to serve the one who has made the request or issued the command. A psychic bond is immediately established, and the dance begins. The tricky part comes in when the requests or commands are either couched in terms that make them seem useful or good, or they come by way of pity or manipulation.

This has me wonder how does one 'undo' any deals that one has made in the past with the Orion STS. I don't remember if I have made any deals or promises, although it would have been to "God", but I am old enough to have done a lot of things I don't remember anymore.

I have never had any visions, never tried to channel; I have used the I Ching a lot though. I was pretty seriously Catholic for awhile and said the Rosary, said prayers, went to mass, took communion, but mostly I would pray to do God's will.

And before I was Catholic I made a "solemn vow to God" TWICE (that's the joke - twice!!) -- while "talking to Ralph on the big white phone", that I would not drink anymore. Of course I have drank since then (1980!!) but it really is not a problem - I have gone for years without drinking and I don't want to do anything anymore that numbs my rational mind.

But how do I become free of any ties to the Orion STSs? How do I exorcise anything that could be in me?

Thank you for reading this and for any responses.

 

[SoCurious]

But how do I become free of any ties to the Orion STSs?

It's my understanding that you exercise your free will to live as STO as you can. If your vibrations are STO there is little they can do about it. If you have the knowledge and you can apply it you will have all the protection you need. OSIT.

How do I exorcise anything that could be in me?

I'm sorry - I'm not up to this part but there are some experts here who can point you in the right direction.

 

[Timey]

But how do I become free of any ties to the Orion STSs?

It's my understanding that you exercise your free will to live as STO as you can. If your vibrations are STO there is little they can do about it. If you have the knowledge and you can apply it you will have all the protection you need. OSIT.

How do I exorcise anything that could be in me?

I'm sorry - I'm not up to this part but there are some experts here who can point you in the right direction.

Its my understanding that EE can be used as a means of "exorcism".

 

[SeekinTruth]

Regular practice of EE can have the effect of releasing attachments, especially if combined with the diet and consistent knowledge input. All together they are a powerful way of increasing discipline, decreasing cravings, and changing frequencies that the attachments used to attach, or so I think. But from your description it doesn't sound like you remember any incidents of "bidding" which you obeyed. So this refers to the common "spirit attachment" types of situations.

 

[Jones]

Just a guess and based on a sense I get from all that I've read here, but I'm thinking that the 'bidding' doesn't necessarily have to come from a church or religious organisation. It could come through a romantic attraction to someone or an attachment to a desire that someone else offers to fulfil for you. Also maybe where someone offers to rescue you from something that you find undesirable.

 

[Teresa]

This has me wonder how does one 'undo' any deals that one has made in the past with the Orion STS. I don't remember if I have made any deals or promises, although it would have been to "God", but I am old enough to have done a lot of things I don't remember anymore.

I have never had any visions, never tried to channel; I have used the I Ching a lot though. I was pretty seriously Catholic for awhile and said the Rosary, said prayers, went to mass, took communion, but mostly I would pray to do God's will.

Please correct me if I am wrong, but isn't giving your will to a "god" bidding? It's letting something have control over you and tell you what to do. Isn't what we're striving for here, is to be the real *I* and think for ourselves?

 

[lake_george]

Teresa,

You wrote,"Please correct me if I am wrong, but isn't giving your will to a "god" bidding? It's letting something have control over you and tell you what to do. Isn't what we're striving for here, is to be the real *I* and think for ourselves?"

Thank you, yes, this is a big part of my question! For what it was worth, I was not at all praying to any Old Testament idea of god, or not to whatever the official catholic god was supposed to me, or not to any god who was not impartial, but to the Source of All.

 

[anart]

For what it was worth, I was not at all praying to any Old Testament idea of god, or not to whatever the official catholic god was supposed to me, or not to any god who was not impartial, but to the Source of All.

Isn't it rather a huge contradiction to say that you were 'seriously Catholic' and then to say the above? I was raised 'seriously Catholic' and left the church when I was in college, and it's rather difficult to be 'seriously Catholic' and pray to the 'source of all' - at least in my experience. That's simply not done in the Catholic Church. Is it possible that you're revising history just a bit from your current perspective?

 

[Deleted member 8431]

I was also raised catholic and never heard of anything anywhere close to ''the source of all''. It was God, he was all powerfull and we needed to venerate him so he dosen't get mad at us and send us to hell for eternity. Not so much of a loving character to my eyes.

And anyways, praying to ''God's will'' dosen't seem to me like praying for ''the source of all''. In my opinion, we are all faces of God so you should only follow your inner self as it is really ''God'' using his own free will in the end. I think we posess(sp?) the whole creation within everyone of us. In other words, we are God interacting with Itself.

Praying to someone/something else's will is, in my opinion, denying your own, at least partially. Be really careful with that sort of thinking. It is, in my opinion, very dangerous and exactly the sort of ''weakness'' (lack of knowledge) that 4D STS are looking for.

My thoughts.

 

[lake_george]

Anart and Jaymark,

Thank you for responding.

I started to reply, but soon realized that it is futile to attempt to defend my experience of being Catholic, and my experience of God, and/or trying to define what these mean to me.

I hereby withdraw my original question, since it was poorly formulated.

 

[anart]

Anart and Jaymark,

Thank you for responding.

I started to reply, but soon realized that it is futile to attempt to defend my experience of being Catholic, and my experience of God, and/or trying to define what these mean to me.

I hereby withdraw my original question, since it was poorly formulated.

'Withdrawing your question' doesn't really help you reach a better understanding of your own thinking, does it? All it really does is protect you from delving more deeply into why it is that you are how you are - and that's pretty much the opposite of what we do here. Just something to think about...

 

[Deleted member 8431]

Anart and Jaymark,

Thank you for responding.

I started to reply, but soon realized that it is futile to attempt to defend my experience of being Catholic, and my experience of God, and/or trying to define what these mean to me.

I hereby withdraw my original question, since it was poorly formulated.

I do not see futility but rather lessons here. Your experience of being catholic is part of your learning experience, just like it has been for me and for many others. It's the same with everything in my opinion. If I haden't been through all what I've been through in the past, mayby I simply wouldn't be here today. Keep this in mind if you wish.

The important here is to realise the very nature of monotheism for instance. Once you do, you'll have an easier time figuring out why you went this way and perhaps be able to make other choises from now on. It's all up to you and about how you feel about it. I would advise that you don't force anything. Once a lesson is taken and applied, those kind of issues resolve themselves naturally. As long as you struggle with it, it means that you may have something else to figure out or that you may haven't applied it correctly. Only yourself can figure out. It's not always easy but the reward is quite priceless.

As far as God is concerned, the important, as stated, is how you feel about it. I don't think it is something we can ever immagine by any means with limited 3D concepts anyways. The C's have discussed the matter many times. This is something you might find very interesting if you go through the material. It's up to you.

Now as far as 'ties of the Orion STS' are concerned, the only thing I could say is; knowledge protects. The matter is widely covered by the C's as well.

Keep up the good work friend. If you wish to go the way of truth and do so in the most objective and open way possible, I would say that you are indeed on the right track. We are always here to help and not to judge. And remember, we are on the same boat!

Again, it's all up to you. We are all free. Getting 'caugh in a trap' only happens when you allow yourself to. Lack of knowledge endangers and false knowledge may even more. Realising and accepting this may be very hard. Many people for instance categorically refuse to accept that they are/have been manipulated by other entities in the way animals are by us. Same concept, diffrent densities.

Finally, these are simply my thoughts/beleifs.

Peace

 

[Denis]

Anart and Jaymark,

Thank you for responding.

I started to reply, but soon realized that it is futile to attempt to defend my experience of being Catholic, and my experience of God, and/or trying to define what these mean to me.

I hereby withdraw my original question, since it was poorly formulated.

Hi lake_george.

No one here is attacking your experience of being Catholic, or your experience of God- hence, there is no need for you to defend them. Experiences exist for the purpose of learning- OSIT.
We are not here to judge, but to help & understand- each according to his/her capabilities of course (base of knowledge & level of being).

We are all free.

Hello JayMark,

Can you please explain in what sense do you mean "we are all free"?

 

[Deleted member 8431]

We are all free.

Hello JayMark,

Can you please explain in what sense do you mean "we are all free"?

Hi Denis,

Of course I can!

I've said that mainly to explain that he is entirely free to do/think whatever he wants about what we say and about the material presented here.

It wasen't perhaps the best term to use, I agree. Should maybe have been more precise here.

Thanks for the notice. Hope it clears things up.

Peace.

Mod's note: Edited to fix the quote boxes

 

[Denis]

Thank you for explaining, JayMark. I asked in what sense do you mean we are all free, because I thought that the term was too generalized- so I needed the clarification from you in order to understand what you mean.