Huge Protests in Romania

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Hi,

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/01/romanians-protests-emergency-law-prisoner-pardons-corruption

this is the country of "all possibilities'...protests are organized throughout the country after the government turned the whole justice system upside-down during last night. I'm afraid there is more to it.
 
Re: Could you believe it?

Yes I can, unfortunately.
Here in Montenegro, elites and government can do what they want as well.
What's more, protests vary from non-existing to small groups and even when they do occur, people tend to divide themselves further by nationality, flag, religion etc.
 
This has been on my mind since I am a romanian. I think what is happening is totally ridiculous, especially the whole background.
Headlines in the international media:

Romania's new left-wing government legalises corruption one month after being voted into office
Romanians rally in biggest anti-corruption protest in decades
Romania anti-govt protests biggest since communism fell

The news got everywhere. We have a huge protest. Almost 300.000 people in the streets, protesting about an emergency decree that the Government approved during yesterday's night(1AM) to decriminalize corruption. It is ridiculous, at what level of stupidity and ignorance Romania has gotten. And this is my perspective as a romanian.

Romania's top judicial watchdog announced a court challenge on Wednesday against the government decree decriminalising a number of corruption offences in what critics say is the biggest retreat on reforms since the country joined the European Union a decade ago.
The decree, unveiled by the Social Democrat-led government of Prime Minister Sorin Grindeanu after it took power earlier this month, has drawn sharp criticism and triggered the biggest street protests since the fall of communism in Romania in 1989.

If enforced, the decree would, among other things, decriminalise abuse-of-power offences in which the sums involved were less than 200,000 lei ($48,000).
That would put an end to an ongoing trial of Social Democrat party leader Liviu Dragnea, who is accused of using his political influence to secure state salaries for two people working at his party headquarters between 2006 and 2013. Dozens of MPs and mayors across all parties stand to benefit from the decree.

"I don't understand what protesters are upset about," Dragnea told reporters on Tuesday.

Two opposition parties, the opposition Liberals (PNL) and the Save Romania Union (USR), announced they would file a no-confidence motion on Wednesday against the government, which enjoys a comfortable majority in parliament.
As parliament opened for its first regular session of the year, USR lawmakers paraded banners that read "Shame" while other opposition deputies shouted "Resignation" and "Thieves".


You get the point. Simply thieves in the lead trying to erase their criminal activities. But what is more horrific is that there is so much misinformation going on in the social media, where people say that the protesters are backed up by George Soros, to divide the country, which is not true. PSD(social democrats party) use this Soros excuse to get rid with their ridiculous actions and to instigate their supporters at violence, like it just happened a few hours ago. Violent clashes took place in Bucharest just a few hours ago, and the aggressors were a group of Ultras Hooligans(FC Dinamo Footbal supporters) hired by a group of criminals(Negoita Brothers, backed by PSD and Dragnea) who are also investigated with corruption. Their plan was to send these hooligans around 10 Pm this evening and clash with the police, to ruin the image of a peaceful protest, done by the regular citizens of this country. Now more people believe that it is just random people that started the violence because of those Ultras groups, and it creates more confusion, and less motivation to go further with protests. I don't really know if Soros is involved in any of this and who is he behind.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/02/bucharest-thousands-protest-decriminalising-corruption-170201165154518.html


But I am ashamed of my country and the people that live here. It is so sad and crazy in the same time.
 
Spot on! Just read this article:

https://www.sott.net/article/341335-Avaaz-Progressive-heroes-or-Soros-sponsored-librul-mob

I have this deja vu feeling...all protests happened too quickly to be a simple and righteous revolt...and the reason of the revolt is such a gross abuse that even a banana republic would think twice before launching into such action.
 
edgitarra said:
You get the point. Simply thieves in the lead trying to erase their criminal activities. But what is more horrific is that there is so much misinformation going on in the social media, where people say that the protesters are backed up by George Soros, to divide the country, which is not true. PSD(social democrats party) use this Soros excuse to get rid with their ridiculous actions and to instigate their supporters at violence, like it just happened a few hours ago. Violent clashes took place in Bucharest just a few hours ago, and the aggressors were a group of Ultras Hooligans(FC Dinamo Footbal supporters) hired by a group of criminals(Negoita Brothers, backed by PSD and Dragnea) who are also investigated with corruption. Their plan was to send these hooligans around 10 Pm this evening and clash with the police, to ruin the image of a peaceful protest, done by the regular citizens of this country. Now more people believe that it is just random people that started the violence because of those Ultras groups, and it creates more confusion, and less motivation to go further with protests. I don't really know if Soros is involved in any of this and who is he behind.

Thank you for sharing this, edgitarra. It explains an otherwise inexplicable dream I had last night about groups of football hooligans directly involved with, and/or interfering in, political turmoil somewhere in a nondescript anonymous city landscape that I couldn't recognize. My dream probably at least partly coincided in time with the aftermath of the events which you just described. Remarkable to say the least, because I had no prior knowledge about these affairs whatsoever.

So, what I'm trying to say is: I understand your pain and shame. Viscerally. :hug2:
 
It appears as if there is more to this demonstration/"revolt" and that Germany, the IMF and Soros do play an important role. This article gives a different view of things and some things to consider:
http://www.fort-russ.com/2017/02/romania-revolt-indeed-but-whose-revolt.html

Romania: Revolt, indeed. But whose revolt and against who?
February 2nd, 2017 - For Russ News -
- By Modeste Schwartz - from Visegrad Post -

Romania – A series of relatively important demonstrations took place in the Romanian capital and some other provincial cities. About 50,000 people (according to the authorities) protested on February 1, 2017, against the new government appointed following the December elections. It is the most important demonstration since December 2014. Unprecedented, the President of the Republic, Klaus Iohannis, openly supports these demonstrations. Some speak of “tineriad”, recycling to the term “mineriad“, but this time referring not to minors but to young people, tineri. The writer Modeste Schwartz gives us his analysis of the events.

To eliminate from the outset any simplistic polemics: yes, a sizable portion of the political staff of the Romanian Social Democratic Party (in power since last December, in the form of the Grindeanu government) is “corrupt” – meaning: they are guilty of taking bribes, abuse of public funds, etc.) as is the entire Romanian political class – without exception! –, and as indeed is (as the Fillon affair now demonstrates) nearly the entirety of European political class. The self-proclaimed captain of the “crusade against corruption” that the European media is currently seeking to frame as a “youth revolution”, the 57-year-old Klaus Johannis (president of Romania), prior to his entry into politics, was a high school physics teacher in his hometown of Sibiu. At that time, a high school teacher in Romania earned less than 300 € / month. This same Johannis (of which evil tongues whisper that he would be the son-in-law of a former high-ranking officer of the communist secret police) owns seven houses in Sibiu (a prosperous tourist town, beautifully restored, where real estate prices are at a premium) and declared, while somehow keeping a straight face, having purchased them on income (otherwise undeclared …) he received from giving private lessons!

As for the new party “United we Save Romania” (USR), which presents itself as the great generational and cultural alternative (unfortunately, totally devoid of any real political program outside the famous “anti-corruption” mysticism), its charismatic leader, the French woman (married to a Romanian) Clotilde Armand, recently stated that she “regrets” having pocketed vast funds “for advisory activities” from the multinational Bechtel corporation, which built in Transylvania one of the shortest and most expensive highways in the history of construction.

Consequently, assuming that Romanians emerge from the political apathy which remains their majority attitude, one would expect “non-political” protests, demanding such changes as amending the constitution, a complete replacement of political personnel, direct democracy, or whatever. This is not the case: the 50,000 protesting “Romanian youth” (official figure, probably overestimated – but, would it be true: the government in place owes its legitimacy to … 4 million ballots – amounting to 80 voters for one protester …) demand explicitly, and increasingly violently and illegally, the fall (and even the banning) of the PSD; as for the alternative in power they are thinking of (during those incredibly rare occasions in which they do actually think), the presence in the ranks of the demonstrators of President Johannis (initially brought to power by the National Liberal Party – PNL, now the main party of the opposition) and USR leaders leaves little room for doubt. The “young, handsome, and free” (according to their own rhetoric) want to replace a corrupt political staff backed by a strong democratic majority by a corrupt political staff with barely any democratic base whatsoever. How can one begin to explain such dementia?

Given that:

1. Many of the protesters are indeed relatively young, deprived of historical awareness and socioeconomic knowledge by the shipwreck of the Romanian (and European) school system and merely follow alpha males and females from their associative surroundings to protests they often experience as street festivals, and which also provide them a golden opportunity to socialize, flirt etc.; and;

2. Another portion of the demonstrators are NGO activists funded by the organizations of the Soros Galaxy and the political foundations that execute the dirty works of German diplomacy in Eastern Europe;

We see that the above question must be split in two, leading to the description of two sets of motivations:

1. With regard to sincere demonstrators: what can lead a significant fraction of a given age group to the degree of social masochism and self-hatred that drives a student to desire to overthrow the government that has just provided him with free use of the national train system, a future employee to demonstrate against the power that increased the base salary after a decade of austerity under the umbrella of IMF-Berlin, etc.? Why do Romanians hate themselves, and each other, that much?

2. Regarding the instigators, and especially their sponsors (i.e. primarily Germany and “Brussels”): why so much hatred? Why are they trying so desperately to bring down the Grindeanu government and the party led by L. Dragnea, at all costs, even though Trump’s victory seems to have deprived them of the secret ingredient (namely the discreet interventions of the secret services under CIA control) which, up until now, ensured the political success of street movements which, in Paris or London, would literally go unnoticed (being, as they are, so marginal and politically amorphous)? Why launch all their troops from the “civil society” in this uncertain battle, at the risk of permanently discrediting them in the event of failure, even though the PSD (which could have repeatedly launched a suspension procedure against Dragnea – and has not done so) seems to be willing to fight with their hands tied, or even to peacefully negotiate?

To answer the first question would require a short treatise on the history and anthropology of Romania, which I shall try to summarize in a later article. For the time being, let us confine ourselves to a very general conclusion: born and raised in a de facto colony where their political behavior (by vote or demonstration) has never had the slightest impact on the real conduct of their country and/or their living conditions, young Romanians literally do not know what politics is, and drool like Pavlov’s dogs to the provocations of professional civil society agitators to participate in these tribal rites of collective purification branded as anti-corruption street festivals.

Answering the second question, on the other hand, requires much less intuition, interpretation, concepts, and philosophy. Indeed, it is sufficient to be informed of the recent steps taken by the Grindeanu government, and of the program of government which it intends to implement in the coming months (which are all in the public domain, but carefully ignored by the Western-controlled Romanian press and almost all of the foreign press) to understand that the Reich-Chancellor Merkel simply cannot accept such a mutiny, or even condescend to negotiate with the mutineers, but requires exemplary punishment – if necessary, according to the methods tested in Kiev.

The Grindeanu government, before adopting those amnesty decrees (objects of much whining to the “young, handsome, and free”) which, contrary to what one reads here and there in the controlled press;

1. were by no means its first measure (see below);

2. do not “legalize corruption” and do not exonerate all acts of corruption (they only institute a threshold of roughly 40,000€, and it seems, in particular, that the charges held against L. Dragnea are not covered by the amnesty) and;

3. were absolutely necessary – since the PSD would be completely unable to govern with the gun of the National Anti-Corruption Directorate (entirely following orders of its Western sponsors) pointed at their collective head,

The Grindeanu government, during the ten days that separated its recent inauguration from the passing of said decrees, did not rest. During this period of just over a week, it has taken significant measures, including:

1. raising the level of the minimum wage and retirement benefits, thereby nullifying the austerity measures adopted by the governments of the Băsescu presidency (notably the Boc government) under the diktats of the IMF, Berlin, and Brussels;

2. announcing a tax exemption for wages of less than € 500 (yes: a month ago in Romania, an EU member state, many employees still paid taxes on wages of € 300 in cities where the rent of a room in a shared flat rarely costs less than 100 € – food prices in supermarkets being roughly at Hungarian levels, i.e. not far from those in Austria).


Not only do these two measures “set a bad example” for all southern and eastern European countries feeling the temptation to shake off the yoke of German ordo-liberalism and to turn to growth policies, but they directly affect the German capital. Germany (i.e. the Bavarian capital and its Austrian auxiliaries) has recently become the main external investor in Romania, followed by France, while the United States (still very present in the early 2000s) seemed, from the presidency of Obama and his Asia Pivot, to be passing the button. The high profitability of these investments (Romanian companies generally presenting a double rate of profit compared to the euro zone average) is mainly based on the unrestrained exploitation of a slave labor force (with a minimum wage precisely calculated in such a way as to allow the miserable survival of an individual without a family and with no rent to pay – the Romanians being, as most Eastern Europeans, usually owners of an apartment in poor condition redeemed from the state at the beginning of the 1990s), resulting in very low social and geographical mobility, an unprecedented demographic decline and the highest emigration rate of non-African countries in the world (higher than that of Syria – including the war period!).

So far, however, I think it would have stayed in the field of the negotiable: some tax gifts to the big German “investors” (like E.on Ruhrgas, who took control of the former state gas monopoly in Transylvania, charging German gas prices to the population for the gas it buys cheap… from Russia), and Munich would have calmed down, leaving as always the small fish and the French investors to pay the expenses of the new policy (the French, however, very present in retail, would not complain too loudly about Grindeanu seeking to add steroids to the purchasing power of the Romanian middle class …).

But here’s the thing: the odious PSD government also plans to create:

* A Sovereign Development and Investment Fund (FSDI), such as in Norway, France, Saudi Arabia, etc., which would be fed by the profits of enterprises which remained under state ownership (profits? – this sounds so strange, given that previous governments have claimed that these were “bottomless holes” that should be urgently privatized …), and would serve in particular to endow Romania with the agribusiness links (processing, canning, bottling) it lacks between its enormous agricultural fertility and an internal market of 18 million consumers mostly convinced (rightly) that food produced in Romania is both healthier and more palatable than imported food.

Here, from the point of view of the colonial metropolis, one enters the domain of the non-negotiable. By such a measure, Romania simply plans to unilaterally challenge the status of an extractive colony (source of practically free raw materials and inexpensive migrant labor) assigned to it in the present world order, claiming – if not complete sovereignty, of which it does not have the military means – the status of a productive colony comparable to that of Hungary (where the average wage is about 50% higher, and which suffers less population bleeding to migration).

Thus, here’s who’s revolting right now: Germany, as a colonial metropolis, is revolting against the democratically elected government of Romania (regardless of its numerous charges of corruption – no more and no less than the previous ones or the following ones, or, indeed, those of Europe at large) and seeking to overthrow it by means of a putsch uniting the efforts of the German political foundations (F. Adenauer, F. Ebert, R. Luxemburg) with those of the Soros-financed “civil society” – which, this time , does not even bother to pretend to be apolitical or “trans-partisan”, brazenly calling to call back the government of former European Commissioner Dacian Cioloş, a “technocrat” never elected by anybody, imposed without a parliamentary majority by Johannis in 2014 as the result of a previous Bucharest “maidan”, and which has just been dismissed from power by a massive vote condemning its policy of the previous two years.

It must be said that the EU, now so vehement in its praise, had not facilitated Cioloş’s task: considering that it now controlled its Romanian plantation directly, the colonial metropolis had even decided to cut back a little more, as a result of which Cioloş’s record on the absorption of structural funds, for example, was even more catastrophic than the (notably bad) one of the previous governments. Here is the competent and virginal elite that the “young, handsome, and free” of A. Merkel and G. Soros are currently attempting to restore to power, in defiance of the popular vote. In the light of such developments, we can now consider as completed the EU’s transition (in its aims and methods) to a parasitic structure comparable to the infamous United Fruit Company in Latin America before the neo-Bolivarian revolutions. Death squads are not yet on the scene, but keep up the good work, Mr. Johannis: with effort, you can still become another Pinochet!
 
The above excerpt was copy/pasted almost from a conspiracies romanian website, with really bad reputation. Sometimes their stories go beyond ridiculous and guess what - It is sponsored by thee Social Democrats Party, which has Dragnea in leadership.

1. Romanians do not hate each other. Demonstrations are peaceful, everybody is protesting to stop the decree. Bringing down the government will not solve anything because the decree cannot be stopped afterwards. Remember, nobody brings down the gvt.
Remember - The hatred you are talking about was brought by a football supporters group sponsored by some really nasty brothers - who are part of PSD.
2.The 40.000 euro threshold - that means any of the citizens of Romania can easily stop paying any tax by that threshold and escape freely right? Not really. We have at least 200 corrupt politicians behind bar, and few hundred bussiness owners with bad stuff in their record. These are the real vampires, not Dracula


Here is the reality -

My girlfriend is a member of the USR - Union Save Romania, this party was started by a modest and simple guy, with good knowledge in politics and good sense. Firstly it was called USB - Union Save Bucharest, and then it extended. The purpose was to manage to enter in the government and take the leadership, but being a new party nobody really voted for it, but only a few people through the country.

During the elections, only 50% of the romanian population went to vote. The Social Democrats Party won by far, almost 35%. Do you want to know what happened? Rigged elections - illegalities reported, such as electricity falling in the voting sector, and after the lights coming back up - Social Democrats showing up out of nowhere during the votes, in the dark. Ridiculous, isn't it?

The stupid and the poor chose PSD(Partidul Social Democratic - Social Democrats Party) - the same party that was brought down last year. Curious isn't it?

The only thing they do is promise to raise the average income. That is not what we need. We don't need a bigger loaf when we cannot build other hospitals, and centers of education. We have more at least 5000 churches and too few hospitals and schools. This is not about people salary. PSD simply did not want people to get smarter, just raise their salary, and get over it. Nothing else built or developed. People die in hospitals because of dirty needles. You need to bribe a doctor to get treatment.

PSD, unfortunately won. The decree that was signed , remember, at 1AM in the night, just a few days before Dragnea was again called at trial, gives the chance to at least 2000 cases of criminals, mobsters, corrupt politicans, to go away for free and get their money back(the money witheld by the state). Dragnea is a compulsive liar, and just because he says that the decree he signed will not have him excused from a trial that does not mean it's true. Once that decree gets approved(in 10 ), he will go away free.

And people are sick of this. The protests started peacefully, and it is the protest that demands for that decree to not be approved. Do you know the "reason" Dragnea gave to have this decree aproved ? Not enough space in prisons! That is ridiculous, so you as a party raise salaries by 100 lei ( which is like 30 dolars) and you don't built prisons?

I would have many other things to say but I am tired, and I gotta go. It is really easy to get very confused when seeing what is happening here. But I guarantee you that PSD is no good. They are killing romania slowly since 1989. They have been here forever!
 
The situation does not sound good Edgitarra and as someone from the outside unfamiliar with the situation, it is hard to do much other than observe. There is at the moment a live streaming on RT of protests i Romania.

One have to keep in mind that as with all color revolutions, there are mostly legitimate concerns and unsatisfactory conditions, that then are exploited by outside forces, which normally leads to conditions that does not make life easier for those with the original concerns. In Ukraine there were also legitimate concerns by the people on Maidan, as the government under the democratically elected Yanukovich also was highly corrupt. Now 3 years later, those protesters wished it had never happened, as it didn't address their problems but only made things worse. And as we all know about Ukraine, then the new coup government was even more corrupt, but had the support of the IMF and the Western elite. Ukraine has been privatized even more with nothing left of value left.

Let's see how this unfolds in Romania and whether there are parallels to be observed.

For how the color revolutions work see this article where the Chinese explain it well: https://www.sott.net/article/334026-SOTT-Exclusive-A-Purple-Color-revolution-in-the-US-Learn-the-signs-of-color-revolutions

If a change of government happens and whether the country then goes into a privatization overdrive and enforced austerity will be indicative of who the potential drivers of this protests was or wasn't.
 
PEOPLE POWER -- Romanian government is apparently backing down on their corruption decree because of massive protests:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-02-04/romanian-government-to-scrap-anti-graft-decree-amid-protests
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-02-04/protests-in-romania-widen-as-ruling-party-weighs-options
https://news.google.com/news/story?ncl=du7EByFAs9cAfFMVKOY55PxOfRmwM&q=premier+Grindeanu&lr=Dutch&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi88MzVwffRAhWKFiwKHShXC3A4ChCqAghCMAg

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-02-04/romanian-government-to-scrap-anti-graft-decree-amid-protests said:
Romania’s one-month-old cabinet meets Sunday to scrap disputed changes to criminal legislation that sparked concerns they would roll back anti-corruption efforts, bowing to pressure from the largest protests since the collapse of Communism.

Some 330,000 people protested around Romania on Saturday for a fifth consecutive evening, with more than 150,000 people gathering in front of Victoria Palace in Bucharest. Prime Minister Sorin Grindeanu called the emergency government meeting to repeal the changes approved on Jan. 31. Still, the move may not be enough to end the protests as many participants have called for the government to resign, citing a lack of trust in the administration.

“I’ve listened to my colleagues in the party and in the opposition and I heard the voice of the street and I don’t want to split the country in two,” Grindeanu said. “I will start a debate shortly with all the parties on ways to change the criminal codes so that they meet the most recent rulings of the Constitutional Court.”

The Social Democrats face the largest backlash since the 1989 uprising that ousted dictator Nicolae Ceausescu. Romania’s third government in two years incurred the wrath of the public and President Klaus Iohannis by unexpectedly easing punishments for officials who abuse their positions and by seeking to free others from prison. The protesters back the anti-graft drive that’s ensnared top officials in the European Union and NATO member nation, including an ex-Social Democrat premier.

continued...
 
Yes, apparently this is what they announced. During these days this will prove if it will really be cancelled or not. There are some obstacles that messes up with the process of cancelling the decree. The guys from PSD are extremely tricky, and in the mean time, they might approve another decree which creates chaos in national budgets of Romania. These politicians have the nerve and the ambition of an Italian mobster. They are afraid to go to prison for what they did, and of course the others are afraid to stay in prison - people like Dan Voiculescu, George Copos ,and another dozens of people. Wanna hear something ridiculous? If you write a book in prison you get shorter time to spend there. These guys have written like 5-6 books :)) each :)), but wait! Investigators realized that something is rotten with their writings - that they just plagiarize other important writers who earn a living honestly!
 
I'm at a loss for words about all this. In the Dutch language we have a saying that equates to: slippery and dodgy as an eel in a bucket of snot. Certainly seems applicable here. :rolleyes:
 
Following an emergency meeting on Sunday, the Romanian government repealed a controversial decree that was expected to decriminalize small-scale government corruption in the country. The government made the decision after days of mass protests in the streets of Bucharest and other Romanian cities - the largest since the fall of communism in 1989.

Romania's Largest Protests Since 1989 Revolution Lead to Corruption Law's Repeal
https://sputniknews.com/europe/201702051050368738-romania-corruption-decree-protests-in-depth/

Last week, the Romanian government adopted a controversial emergency law decriminalizing abuse of power and corruption offenses by public officials. The decree, which was set to take effect beginning February 10, decriminalized cases of official misconduct in which the damages amounted to less than 200,000 lei (about $47,680 US), and provided for pardons for those convicted to less than five years in prison. The measure also offered reduced sentences for persons over sixty years old, pregnant women and parents of small children. The decree would have resulted in the release of over 2,500 convicted felons.

The country's new government, elected in December, explained that the law was necessary to help align the criminal code with rulings by the Constitutional Court. However, news of the decree soon spread, leading to mass demonstrations across Romania. On Wednesday, 150,000 protesters were estimated to have gathered in the capital of Bucharest, with at least as many protesters springing up in other cities, according to local media. On Friday and Saturday the protests reached their peak, with 330,000 people gathering across the country.

President Klaus Iohannis vowed to challenge the decree in the Constitutional Court, and Business Environment Minister Florin Jianu said that he intended to resign from his post over the law. Somewhat bizarrely, Senate President Calin Popescu-Tariceanu claimed that "occult forces," including from Russia and the EU, were interested in destabilizing Romania through the protests.

One official who was expected to benefit directly from the new law was Liviu Dragnea, the leader of the Social Democratic Party and President of the Chamber of Deputies, Romania's lower house of parliament. Dragnea was caught defrauding the state the equivalent of about $25,880, and the decree would have freed him from criminal charges.

Amid the unrest, Bucharest police used tear gas against protesters, who threw firecrackers and smoke bombs at officers. Three policemen and two protesters were reported to have been injured in clashes.

Protests continued and expanded for five days into Saturday before the government caved to their demands, even though they vowed not to do so at first.

On Saturday evening, Prime Minister Sorin Grindeanu told local media that "Romania seems broken in two" and that the government "will have an emergency meeting to revoke this ordinance." The politician added that Justice Minister Florin Iordache would take responsibility for the confusion surrounding the measure, an Sunday, local media reported that Iordache would resign from his post.

Protesters voiced satisfaction over the government's promise, but vowed to stay in the streets until the law was actually repealed. Others have suggested that the entire government should resign.

Speaking to Sputnik last week, Romanian politics expert Dr. Liana Pop explained that the Social Democratic Party and the Alliance of Liberals and Democrats appeared to have gravely misjudged public sentiment when they passed the measure. "The Social Democrats received electoral support in the elections in December on a promise to make the state more responsive to the needs of the impoverished and to increase investment in public services. It was not an endorsement of corrupt behavior among them," Pop said. (Article continues.)


Despite the Romanian government repealed a controversial decree that was expected to decriminalize small-scale government corruption in the country in the wake of mass protests, 600 thousand of people took to the streets of the country's cities on Sunday demanding the leadership's resignation.

Some 500,000 Romanians Take to Streets Demanding Government Resignation (Videos)
https://sputniknews.com/europe/201702051050376690-romania-500-thousand-protests/

Earlier in the day, local media reported that over half a million of Romanians were participating in the manifestations across the country.

The Romanian government revoked the amendments to the Criminal Code reducing the penalties for corruption and pardoning several groups of prisoners, which adoption had resulted in nationwide protests.

According to the Digi24 broadcaster, despite the cabinet's move people demand the government's resignation while only the rally in Bucharest has gathered over 300,000 protesters becoming the largest rally in the country since 1989.

At the same time, the country's Prime Minister Sorin Grindeanu had refused to step down, saying that the government could be dissolved only following the vote of non-confidence.
 
I too am of Romanian origins and I am following the events with a lot of interest.
I agree with edgitarra that the article that Aeneas quoted might have some disinformation in it, however, if one looks at the series of events at a broader time scale and at some of the elements that are visible on the images broadcast from the plaza where the demonstrations are taking place, there are some things that lead me to suspect that there is more to the story than what is presented by the media.
Two years ago President Iohannis has been elected after a huge social media campaign in which voters, especially those in the diaspora, were mobilized through Facebook.
A little over a year ago the Government from the same party was forced to resign after another media campaign after a tragic incident in a night club, and the President has put in place what he called "his Goverment".
For the December 1st celebrations (Romania's National Holiday) the President has specifically stated that he will not invite the leader of the PSD Party, Liviu Dragnea, who is also the leader of the Representatives Chamber in the Romanian Parliament, and the leader of the ALDE Party, Calin Popescu-Tariceanu, who is also the leader of the Senate in the Romanian Parliament, to participate in the festivities.
The elections of December 8th have brought a winning coalition between PSD and ALDE with a comfortable majority.
The opposition has accepted the result of the election.
After the elections the President has tried to get the leader of ALDE (the same guy he did not invite to the festivities) to switch sides so that he can get a coalition formed from all the other parties and exclude PSD from the Government.
The winning coalition has then made a proposal for a Prime Minister. It was a woman and a muslim. The President has refused the nomination after a few days, with no explanation given.
A second nomination was made, for the current Prime Minister, Sorin Grindeanu, and after a few days of silence, the President has accepted the nomination via an SMS to the Prime Minister nominee and not via a public appearance.
In the new Year the new Government was installed and started executing on the plan for which the people voted them into power. I hear that out of forty something tasks they set for themselves for the first quarter, they have already implemented about thirty of them.
One of these measures is the controversial decree that appears to have started this crisis.
When this decree (which by the way has the number 13 out of all numbers...) was published, the President has joined a small group of people protesting in the plaza to encourage them and a Facebook campaign of support was launched.
The result was massive demonstrations in Bucharest and all of the main cities. These were for the main part peaceful, with a few isolated incidents on one night.
After a few days of protests during which the Government tried to explain the rationale for the contested decree, the Government has agreed to give up on that decree and send it to Parliament as a project for a law for debate.
At this point the discourse of the opposition forces has changed, it was no longer enough for that one contested decree to be cancelled, now it was a matter of honor for the Government to resign. Initially it was just the Justice Minister's head, but then it was also the Prime Minister, etc.
The President came to the Parliament today and said that the resignation of only one Minister is not enough, but that advanced elections would be too much and that he leaves it to the majority party PSD to chose their course of action.
I have to mention that through the Romanian Constitution the role of the President is one of a mediator between the political forces of the country.
What I noticed in the images from the plaza where the people were protesting first against decree #13 and now for the Government's resignation, was the size and the quality of the banners, which point to a very well organized and financed protest, which, coupled with the fact that the mobilization, as well as the daily guidance for the protests was done mostly through social media, has, in my mind, all the markings of something that is more than a spontaneous movement and looks more and more like a coup.
The question is qui prodest?
 
Thank you for your post biuta.
Since this is your first post , can you please introduce yourself in the newbie section and tell us something more about you and how you find this forum

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With about 500,000 people taking to the streets across Romania on Sunday, RIA Novosti political analyst Andrey Veselov looks into what became the largest street protest in the country since the fall of Communist rule there in 1989.

Romanian Maidan: What Prompted Half a Million People to Take to the Streets
https://sputniknews.com/europe/201702071050419770-romania-protests-government-decree/

RIA Novosti political analyst Andrey Veselov recalled that protests in Romania started on January 19 and reached their peak last Sunday, with around 500,000 people reportedly taking to the streets across the country, including the capital Bucharest where at least 300,000 people were protesting.

Amid the unrest, Bucharest police used tear gas against protesters, who threw firecrackers and smoke bombs at officers. Three policemen and two protesters were reported to have been injured in clashes.

Return of the Social Democrats - The protests began shortly after the parliamentary elections which saw the victory of the Social Democratic Party (PSD) Sorin Grindeanu candidate becoming Romanian Prime Minister.

The PSD's return came after the Social Democrats' government had to resign following a horrendous fire in a Bucharest nightclub in which 58 people died in November 2015. Investigators found out that PSD members had turned a blind eye to safety violations made by the club's owners.

Taking power in Romania at the time was the opposition National Liberal Party (PNL), who finally yielded to the PSD due to their unpopular austerity measures and permanent coordination of their actions with the European bureaucracy.

Pardon for corrupt officials - Fueling the protests was the Romanian government's recent decision to adopt a controversial emergency law decriminalizing abuse of power and corruption offenses by public officials.

One official who was expected to benefit directly from the new law was Liviu Dragnea, the leader of the Social Democratic Party and President of the Chamber of Deputies, Romania's lower house of parliament.

Dragnea was caught defrauding the state to the equivalent of about $25,880, and the decree would have freed him from criminal charges.

Romania split in two - On Saturday evening, Prime Minister Sorin Grindeanu told local media that "Romania seems broken in two" and that the government "will have an emergency meeting to revoke this ordinance."

"I do not want to divide Romania. Romania can't be split into two. Right now Romania seems broken in two. My last desire is to witness this," Grindeanu said.

Last week, Romanian President Klaus Iohannis said that he was going to challenge the new government decree at the Constitutional Court, while Romania's major opposition parties, including Save Romania Union and the National Liberal Party, promised to file a no-confidence motion against the government later this week.

Meanwhile, Florin Jianu, Minister of Business, Trade and Entrepreneurship, announced his resignation in what he said was an "ethical" decision.

"Not for my professional honesty, my conscience is clean on that front, but for my child. Am I going to tell him his father was a coward and supported actions he does not believe in, or that he chose to walk away from a story that isn't his?" he wrote on his Facebook page.

On Sunday, Romanian television network Digi24 reported that the government had moved forward and repealed the law amid the opposition's demands that the government should step down and early elections should be held.

The PSD insists that all this indicates the opposition's push for seizing power in Romania.

"The scope, organization and funding of the demonstrations show that the protests are coordinated by professionals," Grindeanu said.
 
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