I finally get it!

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There is NO freedom in physicality. Physicality is the very essence of slavery.

I have been reading Gurdjieff's Beelzebub's Tales to his Grandson and came across the section where he is talking about the 'honour' of meeting the Russian Tsar and how he was made to conform.

"in spite of all the absurdity of this procedure, if one takes into account that the perfecting of a being depends on the quality and quantity of his inner experiences, then objective justice demands that your favorites be given their due for this: on that day, of course unconsciously, they compelled me to undergo and to feel perhaps more than I had undergone and felt during all the centuries of my personal sojourns among them."

The thing that really hit home for me was the recalling of the teachings of the Great Ashiata Shiemash and the remaining relic of the 'Olbogmek Brotherhood'.

FAITH, LOVE, AND HOPE

Faith of consciousness is freedom Faith of feeling is weakness
Faith of body is stupidity

Love of consciousness evokes the same in responseLove of feeling evokes the opposite
Love of body depends only on type and polarity

Hope of consciousness is strength
Hope of feeling is slavery
Hope of body is disease

And now I finally understand a 'vision' that I have had for many years. In this vision, I am in an interrogation room, having quick fire questions barked at me by a menacing and burly man. In this vision, despite knowing that I am at risk of torture and perhaps even death, I look up at this man out of the corner of my right eye and say quietly and calmly "I am not afraid of you".

I could never understand how it was possible that I was genuinely unafraid, despite the risks to my physical being. Now I understand that I was unafraid because I had separated my physical self from my consciousness. I had set myself free.

That is now my principle aim, to achieve that state of being.
 
lwu02eb, interesting your interpretation. You mean that the fear is only an attribute of the physicalité? The death and the suffering would be consequences and illusions of the 1, 2 and 3D?
 
As with all things worth thinking about, I don’t think it's really that simple.

I suppose that they may be 'illusions', but to us human beings in 3D they are very real illusions, with very real consequences.

I’m not suggesting that one could or should shrug off the physical ramifications of suffering and destruction, but rather that one should seek to gain faith in the value of such things for strengthening consciousness. This, of course, depends entirely on attitude and perspective.

So, for instance, I see it manifesting as the acceptance of what one can and cannot change (gaining perspective) and facing those things that one cannot with respect, dignity and grace. This entails having faith in consciousness, rather than the body or mechanical emotions. The result of this increasing faith is serenity, proportional practicality and discernment in the face of unimaginable horror. The opposite is an Alex Jones type demeanour; an emotionally based response to things, which, when seen with the correct perspective, are not material happenings at their root. The latter is actually rather a demeaning approach, and one that makes me cringe these days.

Gurdjieff describes it in the following way: “instead of…’remorse of conscience,' there usually arise and become widely propagated certain specific processes, called the 'reciprocal destruction of microcosmoses in the tetartocosmos'”. In short, an approach that is doomed to fail at the outset because of an incorrect understanding of what is happening.

Source: Beelzebub’s Tales to his Grandson

I was assured that physical preparation was an end in itself and would leave me feeling completely satisfied. It actually left me in the opposite state, and drove me to find the reason why. I am now focussed on attempting the perfection of my consciousness through the correct use of my machine and the tools that I’ve gratefully been given. To me, that means using them for what they are there for and not allocating to them undue faith. Good luck, eh? But a worthy exercise, none the less!

All I can tell you is that I’ve never been calmer, more accepting (of the right things) and never have I had such a drive for learning. Through EE, learning and applying knowledge, I somehow feel more able to deal with what is occurring around me, even though by any material measure, the odds seem dire. Of course, the odds are calculated on the basis of survival in the physical sense. I’m working very hard not to be driven purely emotionally or purely intellectually because that leads (from experience) to hasty and usually counter-productive behaviour. In turn, that leads to a state of paralysis through fear.

I now know for sure that what I am beginning to experience is faith because I cannot describe it to anyone that doesn’t share it. I think you can only get there by your own volition. My other half has undermined this process by saying that I think that “reading books and thinking about God is going to save me”. He says that scornfully because he simply cannot see the depths of the changes taking place INSIDE me. Much of it does not externally manifest and so is disregarded. He is still primarily driven by practical measures because he believes that the only purpose of this existence is to physically survive. I used to share this view, and with hindsight, it was a sad state to be in. In my opinion, this is a trap and a weakness used ruthlessly by the masters of this 3D STS realm.

I hope that makes sense, and of course, these are just my thoughts on the issue at the moment.
 
While your realization is admirable lwu02eb, I don't feel that physicality is the essence of slavery. It is through the physical that the spiritual/etheral is made manifest. Now with that being said addiction to physicality is slavery because it is a limit based in desire for pleasure for the self. I recall the C's saying that now physicality is a prison for us, but in 4th density it will become our home. Ignorance aka lack of awareness seems to be the true essence of slavery IMHO.
 
ajseph 21 said:
While your realization is admirable lwu02eb, I don't feel that physicality is the essence of slavery. It is through the physical that the spiritual/etheral is made manifest. Now with that being said addiction to physicality is slavery because it is a limit based in desire for pleasure for the self. I recall the C's saying that now physicality is a prison for us, but in 4th density it will become our home. Ignorance aka lack of awareness seems to be the true essence of slavery IMHO.
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Me too. To me physicality is limit. It's also a means (to learning). It's when we forget, when we treat it as the be-all-end-all of existence that it becomes slavery. Then fear enters the picture (fear of death, fear of loss...). But consciousness erodes fear.
 
ajseph 21 said:
While your realization is admirable lwu02eb, I don't feel that physicality is the essence of slavery. It is through the physical that the spiritual/etheral is made manifest. Now with that being said addiction to physicality is slavery because it is a limit based in desire for pleasure for the self. I recall the C's saying that now physicality is a prison for us, but in 4th density it will become our home. Ignorance aka lack of awareness seems to be the true essence of slavery IMHO.
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I agree to some degree.. i see physicality only as a path for quick learning (the short cycle) and is a natural part (or stage) of the creation.. not necessary a "prison".
 
The last hurdle is the mind, not the body. And here I speak from a place of authority.
I'm reminded in a scene from V for Vendetta, where a prisoner is given a choice/ultimatum: give up your conviction, betray your friend and live. Or die. She said that she would rather die. Her capturer pronounced something like: you are now completely free, because not even in the face of death would you betray yourself
 
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