I have a question to astrology and healing

[Nimue]

For me this is absolutely new land.

But i would like to give you a little bit prehistory, so you know why I am asking for help. I am not sure if it fits here it could also fit into diet and health but it is mainly about astrology or a combination of both.

My grate-grandfather was a person skilled in the art of healing at the end of the 18 th and beginning of 19 th century, after his daughter died ( my grandmother) I inherited his old records and documents.

Since I can think our family used his old recipes for healing, and they work very well, now I have his old documents and I am prying. What I have found out so far he use the zodiac (he use different zodiacs) to generate a birth horoscope from his patients ( on the zodiac are colours, elements, planets etc), and on this basis he make herbal mixtures and tinctures. My grandmother has told me this is herbal spagyric or iatrochemistry, and that we don´t have to talk about …mysterious… but this makes me more prying, so I talk with some family members who knows the family story, and they say to grate-grandfahter´s time this was so called hokus pokus, cause he also have made distant healing, and use incantations to charm warts and shingles and it was better not to talk about, his patients found him over mouth to mouth propaganda, interestingly he never took money for his help, sometimes he get bread or snag or what the people just have, cause it were hard times. My aunt told me that he get his gift from another person, and that it is something you can only pass to another person directly. Alltogether a bit mysterious.

So far so good my question is if someone maybe know if this would be practiced today and how is the right definition of this science, and how the herbs fit to the horoscope or were there could be the connection, has anybody heard from this before ?, I would like to find out more (on the net I found not so many informations, but there must be a connection to alchemy), cause I myself have no idea from astrology or alchemy, perhaps I can scan the zodiacs he had used and someone with more knowledge can have a look on them ? If there is a treat in the forum were something like this was discussed before, a link would be nice , or maybe a good book as commendation for a freshman to start with is very welcome.

Thank you !

 

[SolarMother]

Nimue

So far so good my question is if someone maybe know if this would be practiced today and how is the right definition of this science, and how the herbs fit to the horoscope or were there could be the connection, has anybody heard from this before ?, I would like to find out more (on the net I found not so many informations, but there must be a connection to alchemy), cause I myself have no idea from astrology or alchemy, perhaps I can scan the zodiacs he had used and someone with more knowledge can have a look on them ? If there is a treat in the forum were something like this was discussed before, a link would be nice , or maybe a good book as commendation for a freshman to start with is very welcome.

Thank you !

Hi Nimue.
I am going to think about this, but right offhand, I remember that Fulcanelli wrote an astrology book about the elements, alchemy and the body. It is more 'ancient' than anything else out there, I believe. I cannot remember the title offhand.
I don't remember if he discusses herbs and such. I will look into this and maybe you can google and see what you find.

Modern Astrology does have a branch related to medicine (medical astrology) but I don't know much about it and I don't know if this is what you are looking for.
I practice Vedic astrology which has an important branch called aryuveda which is healing with what the astrology chart shows for the individual. I have not emphasized this in my practice.
It sounds like your great grandfather had his very own alchemical and creative system that only he knew about. Sounds fascinating!!
Are you trying to find a way to decipher his notes that were left to you?

 

[mkrnhr]

Fulcanelli wrote an astrology book about the elements, alchemy and the body.

Fulcanelli wrote two books: "Le Mystère des Cathédrales (The Mystery of the Cathedrals)" and "Les Demeures Philosophales (Dwellings of the Philosophers)". You may be careful of any other books attributed to him. This has been discussed somewhere in the forum.

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[RyanX]

So far so good my question is if someone maybe know if this would be practiced today and how is the right definition of this science, and how the herbs fit to the horoscope or were there could be the connection, has anybody heard from this before ?, I would like to find out more (on the net I found not so many informations, but there must be a connection to alchemy), cause I myself have no idea from astrology or alchemy, perhaps I can scan the zodiacs he had used and someone with more knowledge can have a look on them ? If there is a treat in the forum were something like this was discussed before, a link would be nice , or maybe a good book as commendation for a freshman to start with is very welcome.

Hi Nimue,

I'm not an expert on this topic, but I recall reading a bit about it in Manly P. Hall's book The Secret Teachings of All Ages. Here's what he wrote on p. 111:

http://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/sta/sta26.htm

[quote author=Secret Teachings of All Ages]
HERMETIC HERBALISM AND PHARMACOLOGY

The herbs of the fields were sacred to the early pagans, who believed that the gods had made plants for the cure of human ills. When properly prepared and applied, each root and shrub could be used for the alleviation of suffering, or for the development of spiritual, mental, moral, or physical powers. In The Mistletoe and Its Philosophy, P. Davidson pays the following beautiful tribute to the plants: "Books have been written on the language of flowers and herbs, the poet from the earliest ages has held the sweetest and most loving converse with them, kings are even glad to obtain their essences at second hand to perfume themselves; but to the true physician--Nature's High-Priest--they speak in a far higher and more exalted strain. There is not a plant or mineral which has disclosed the last of its properties to the scientists. How can they feel confident that for every one of the discovered properties there may not be many powers concealed in the inner nature of the plant? Well have flowers been called the 'Stars of Earth,' and why should they not be beautiful? Have they not from the time of their birth smiled in the splendor of the sun by day, and slumbered under the brightness of the stars by night? Have they not come from another and more spiritual world to our earth, seeing that God made 'every plant of the field BEFORE it was in the earth, and every herb of the field BEFORE IT GREW'?"

Many primitive peoples used herbal remedies, with many remarkable cures. The Chinese, Egyptians, and American Indians cured with herbs diseases for which modern science knows no remedy. Doctor Nicholas Culpeper, whose useful life ended in 1654, was probably the most famous of herbalists. Finding that the medical systems of his day were unsatisfactory in the extreme, Culpeper turned his attention to the plants of the fields, and discovered a medium of healing which gained for him national renown.

In Doctor Culpeper's correlation of astrology and herbalism, each plant was under the jurisdiction of one of the planets or luminaries. He believed that disease was also controlled by celestial configurations. He summed up his system of treatment as follows: "You may oppose diseases by Herbs of the planet opposite to the planet that causes them: as diseases of Jupiter by Herbs of Mercury, and the contrary; diseases of the Luminaries by the Herbs of Saturn, and the contrary; diseases of Mars by Herbs of Venus and the contrary. * * * There is a way to cure diseases sometimes by Sympathy, and so every planet cures his own disease; as the Sun and Moon by their Herbs cure the Eyes, Saturn the Spleen, Jupiter the Liver, Mars the Gall and diseases of choler, and Venus diseases in the Instruments of Generation." (The Complete Herbal.)

Mediæval European herbalists rediscovered only in part the ancient Hermetic secrets of Egypt and Greece. These earlier nations evolved the fundamentals of nearly all modern arcs and sciences.
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Here is the book by Culpeper The Complete Herbal that is referenced:

http://www.bibliomania.com/2/1/66/113/frameset.html

As I said, I'm no expert in this topic, so there might be others with better resources, this is just what I recall from reading. :)

 

[SolarMother]

Re: I have a question to astrology and healing

Fulcanelli wrote an astrology book about the elements, alchemy and the body.

Fulcanelli wrote two books: "Le Mystère des Cathédrales (The Mystery of the Cathedrals)" and "Les Demeures Philosophales (Dwellings of the Philosophers)". You may be careful of any other books attributed to him. This has been discussed somewhere in the forum.

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Someone using his name it sounds like.

 

[Nimue]

Hi Nimue.
I am going to think about this, but right offhand, I remember that Fulcanelli wrote an astrology book about the elements, alchemy and the body. It is more 'ancient' than anything else out there, I believe. I cannot remember the title offhand.
I don't remember if he discusses herbs and such. I will look into this and maybe you can google and see what you find.

Thank you SolarMother for your advice, I will have a look if I will find something on the
net about this book.

His notes are written in old german but to decipher them is not so problematic, but
to put the puzzle pieces together and find out how he have used it is a tricky mission.
A short remark about the astrology charts an aryuveda… this sounds similar to what he have practiced ( see my answer to Ryan X), maybe a combination ? Again thank you.

Hi mkrnhr,

Fulcanelli wrote two books: "Le Mystère des Cathédrales (The Mystery of the Cathedrals)" and "Les Demeures Philosophales (Dwellings of the Philosophers)". You may be careful of any other books attributed to him. This has been discussed somewhere in the forum.

Thank you, maybe I have the chance to get these books, this topic looks very interesting.

Hi Ryan X,

In Doctor Culpeper's correlation of astrology and herbalism, each plant was under the jurisdiction of one of the planets or luminaries. He believed that disease was also controlled by celestial configurations. He summed up his system of treatment as follows: "You may oppose diseases by Herbs of the planet opposite to the planet that causes them: as diseases of Jupiter by Herbs of Mercury, and the contrary; diseases of the Luminaries by the Herbs of Saturn, and the contrary; diseases of Mars by Herbs of Venus and the contrary. * * * There is a way to cure diseases sometimes by Sympathy, and so every planet cures his own disease; as the Sun and Moon by their Herbs cure the Eyes, Saturn the Spleen, Jupiter the Liver, Mars the Gall and diseases of choler, and Venus diseases in the Instruments of Generation." (The Complete Herbal.)

That´s more like it ! There could be a connection. He has notes about plants and their elements and there are descriptions about deseases.. if they were cold, hot, moisture, and
the organs are dedicated to the elements, there are also informations about zodiac signs and their elements, and which herbs fits to them. It´s a little bit like treasure- hunting and thank you for the links.

Over again to all a big thank you !!

 

[Laura]

I'm not going to discount such methods completely, but I would like to see some research where some medical tests are done and compared to astrological medical recommendations. The reason is that I suspect that such methods are a corrupted attempt to replicate an ancient scientific practice that was spiritually scientific.

If such practices are followed without true scientific knowledge, they become merely belief systems. So, my suggestion to you would be to study health and nutrition from a truly scientific perspective and then see if you can find any correlates.

 

[Nimue]

Hello Laura,

thank you for your suggestion. I think you are right, such methods must be taken with a pinch of salt, and true scientific knowledge
is essential. I think mainly it is my noisiness, which let me try to find out what he have done (such old notes and records inspire my spirit of research... interesting old stuff)

Again thank you.