If life is a movie...

[Genaro]

You know, i`m new here so forgive me if this kind of question was raised previously (i used the search function and didn`t find it in this way).

Anyway, i was wondering, if it is correct that life is a movie that repeats itself until we become conscious and start making it a spiral upwards instead of a endless circle, who is the director? And the screenwriter? What about special effects and costume?

I was quite depressed when I first approached this concept, but thinking of it now I try to analyze it from a strange kind of view maybe :D

No, but really, the above questions, as absurd or stupid as they may seem, they are quite important I guess..?
It could be used as kind of a joke, but still, the question remains..

 

[anart]

You know, i`m new here so forgive me if this kind of question was raised previously (i used the search function and didn`t find it in this way).

Anyway, i was wondering, if it is correct that life is a movie that repeats itself until we become conscious and start making it a spiral upwards instead of a endless circle, who is the director? And the screenwriter? What about special effects and costume?

I think the answer is you.

 

[Genaro]

I think the answer is you.

Yes, well it should be me, but while I was completely unconscious of the fact that it probably is just a movie?

Who writes the script? I`m not so sure of the Higher Self thing that is completely free to choose the experiences in order to learn, maybe the movie tapes are encripted in some sort of giant computer cosmic game and distributed by a random factor?

A concept that the Higher Self maybe isn`t that all powerful, that it is just the arranger of the movie, but it has a limited number of movie tapes it can choose from, not an unlimited number?

This is mostly playing with concepts i cannot know much about, of course, but it still makes one wonder...

Maybe the Creator (or call it however you want) has an unlimited number of possibilities and they all eventually happen, but the "lower hierarchies" don`t have that much choice and are still to some extent "following orders"?

Of course, i`m talking from the perspective off a man who isn`t evolved or developed in a conscious way enough to be the director of his own "movie".


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[ana]

Who writes the script? I`m not so sure of the Higher Self thing that is completely free to choose the experiences in order to learn, maybe the movie tapes are encripted in some sort of giant computer cosmic game and distributed by a random factor?

A concept that the Higher Self maybe isn`t that all powerful, that it is just the arranger of the movie, but it has a limited number of movie tapes it can choose from, not an unlimited number?

This is mostly playing with concepts i cannot know much about, of course, but it still makes one wonder...

Maybe the Creator (or call it however you want) has an unlimited number of possibilities and they all eventually happen, but the "lower hierarchies" don`t have that much choice and are still to some extent "following orders"?

Of course, i`m talking from the perspective off a man who isn`t evolved or developed in a conscious way enough to be the director of his own "movie".

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Hi Genaro,
Maybe reading The Wave Series paying special attention to the description of densities, awareness and soul lessons can give you some insights regarding your questions, it also explorates the limitations of man's present estate, in cognitive, biological, historical and ontological terms.

 

[Mr.Anderson]

Welcome to the forum Genaro.

In addition to the Wave series, In Search of the Miraculous, by Ouspensky is very insightful.

 

[Leo40]

Hi, Genaro:

I think what you are trying to express is the idea of "eternal recurrence"
which was elaborated by Ouspensky in one of his novels.
This may well be the case until you start questioning.
Awakening comes only after some serious "work" on yourself.
I think every child starts to ask why until this is beaten out of him/her.
Very sad. Only a few persist and are labelled "troublemakers" or rebels.
At any rate you do have a valid question.
In my youth when confronted with conform or rebel I chose rebel but I had
to disguise my attitude for reasons of survival. Nevertheless this helped me
to never accept anything in the consensus reality as quite "real".
I hope this makes sense.

 

[Chu]

I think the answer is you.

Yes, well it should be me, but while I was completely unconscious of the fact that it probably is just a movie?

Well, perhaps one is completely unconscious of it in this life, since otherwise we wouldn't learn any lesson/take our learning seriously if we knew in advance that it is a "film", but one is conscious at a higher level.

Who writes the script? I`m not so sure of the Higher Self thing that is completely free to choose the experiences in order to learn, maybe the movie tapes are encripted in some sort of giant computer cosmic game and distributed by a random factor?

A concept that the Higher Self maybe isn`t that all powerful, that it is just the arranger of the movie, but it has a limited number of movie tapes it can choose from, not an unlimited number?

Perhaps, but then you could say it is the Universe, and each of us following our path until we decide who to be.

Maybe the Creator (or call it however you want) has an unlimited number of possibilities and they all eventually happen, but the "lower hierarchies" don`t have that much choice and are still to some extent "following orders"?

Of course, i`m talking from the perspective off a man who isn`t evolved or developed in a conscious way enough to be the director of his own "movie".

I think you could say that there is a "higher plan", but that we still have free will to choose whether we want to become a conduit for the Universe and learn to do our best for others, or another type of conduit (entropic).

You might want to read Gnosis, by Mouravieff if you haven't yet.

 

[Eongar]

Here a definition of recurrence.

http://glossary.cassiopaea.com/glossary.php?id=857

If we spend our lives at the expense of the attitude of the little I's (http://glossary.cassiopaea.com/glossary.php?id=3&lsel=) and not work on yourself, always we will be swept away by the circumstances of these little I's and the surrounding life.

You should read the books that have mentioned and the Wave series to better understand this and much more.

EE Practice will help also, among other things, to understand yourself more clearly.

 

[Mountain Crown]

Hi Genaro,

May I ask how you came across the concept that life is a movie?

 

[Menna]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strange_Life_of_Ivan_Osokin

_http://www.messagefrommasters.com/Ebooks/Ouspensky-Strange-Life-of-Ivan-Osoukin.pdf

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[Genaro]

Well, actually the question was raised while reading the books In Search Of The Miraculous and Gnosis, book 1 by Mouravieff.
Besides those, there is in the Buddhist tradition the concept of eternal rebirths with life, death, and pain that are the only constant.
As I understand, the whole point of Buddhist, enlightment, awakening is ending and escaping the infinite circle by becoming more and more aware.

Also, in scientific terms, I guess you could say that we are caught in a time loop and are watching a movie that we have watched plenty, plenty times already but we do not remember it for some reason (being unconscious I guess).

This concept I think, when fully understood can break down your own constructed reality of your hopes and dreams, and shatter them by telling you that it "all happened", not that you DID anything.
It is somewhat liberating to understand that nobody DOES anything, everything HAPPENS.
At least until awareness and consciousness comes into play...

The sad part is, how many people get the chance to even begin to think seriously about this concept and its implications?
The days go, like some sort of vague dream, and nobody remembers practically anything...
This reality, looking at it, gets stranger and stranger by the day for me :D

Thank you for the Wave Series recommendation, I`m aware of the series, and will read as much as I can as soon as I can.

I`m also very interested in Strange Life of Ivan Osokin by Ouspensky, I know Ouspensky was troubled by this question but Gurdjieff didn`t talk much about it for reasons I am now beggining to see more clearly...

I guess when you understand this concept fully, it brings the priority of The Work to a much, much higher level..

 

[obyvatel]

This concept I think, when fully understood can break down your own constructed reality of your hopes and dreams, and shatter them by telling you that it "all happened", not that you DID anything.
It is somewhat liberating to understand that nobody DOES anything, everything HAPPENS.
At least until awareness and consciousness comes into play...

There are esoteric paths and so-called spiritual teachers who celebrate the fact that everything happens and nobody does anything. They attribute all action to God and go around singing hymns and praises in His name and in general revel in their own powerlessness and grovel at the powerfulness of the Almighty. So certainly there are people who find this idea liberating. Then there are a few who find the same realization shocking. And for them, the strength of the shock leads towards the situation which

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... brings the priority of The Work to a much, much higher level.
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[Genaro]

There are esoteric paths and so-called spiritual teachers who celebrate the fact that everything happens and nobody does anything. They attribute all action to God and go around singing hymns and praises in His name and in general revel in their own powerlessness and grovel at the powerfulness of the Almighty. So certainly there are people who find this idea liberating. Then there are a few who find the same realization shocking. And for them, the strength of the shock leads towards the situation which

Quote from: Genaro
... brings the priority of The Work to a much, much higher level.

It`s really interesting, I guess.
The information is out there, but each one of us makes of it what he wants.

I guess for some people no matter how many signs on the road, shocks, alarm signals are rocking their lives, they will either ignore them or interpret them as it best suits them, pack them in a package they find most suitable and maybe adjust just a little in order to preserve their continuation of daily activities that leads nowhere.


It`s a weird, weird world :D

 

[Oxajil]

Re: If life is a movie...

This concept I think, when fully understood can break down your own constructed reality of your hopes and dreams, and shatter them by telling you that it "all happened", not that you DID anything.
It is somewhat liberating to understand that nobody DOES anything, everything HAPPENS.
At least until awareness and consciousness comes into play...

Even though on some level everything just happens, I still think that some people, or probably even every creation, are learning the lessons they've 'chosen' to learn in this infinite school.

I guess for some people no matter how many signs on the road, shocks, alarm signals are rocking their lives, they will either ignore them or interpret them as it best suits them, pack them in a package they find most suitable and maybe adjust just a little in order to preserve their continuation of daily activities that leads nowhere.

And that in itself could be a lesson too, maybe we were one of them before at some point, or maybe we are in an alternate universe!

 

[Genaro]

Oxajil, what you`ve sad is very close to how I partially understand the situation at the moment.

It seems most logical to me that we were at some point in the same situation of total ignorance, and maybe are in an alternate universe.
If you block that out, all that is left is spiritual elitism with "us" and "them", which is quite obsurd and stupid, in my own distorted and clouded subjective perception :D

Although, I`ve always wondered, if at some we are fully aware and developed in every sense, we`re all one and what else...

Why the need to incarnate into these infinite beings and condemn "yourself" to this "infinite school".
If we at some level know everything, why the need for learning it all again, an infinite number of times?

Why would the infinite purposely "forget itself" to experience itself subjectively in this school that it created?

It`s a bit of a weird concept if you look at it from that perspective, I guess.

The usage of infinite here is not fully clear, but I do not how to express it in any other terms. (some call it infinite consciousness, The Absolute, The Unified Field, The Creator, 7th density where everything is connected and fundamentally One...)