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Jedi Master
In 1978, Canseliet was invited by Jacques Chancel for talking about alchemy.
You can hear this interview here : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDAgZVmhlyA
What was odd to me is the fact that, when he talks about Fucanelli, the dates he gives doesn't correspond with "Jules Violle"...
[...]Eugène Canseliet : Je ne suis pas Adepte, malheureusement. C'est ce que vous me demandiez peut-être ? Oui c'est cela, j'ai bien compris... non je ne suis pas Adepte. [ I'm not Adept, unfortunately. It is what you ask to me maybe? Yes, I guess... No I'm not Adept.]
Jacques Chancel : Fulcanelli l'était... [ Fulcanelli was ?]
EC : Ah oui!Assurément ! Yes, of course !
JC : Fulcanelli c'est cet alchimiste que vous aviez rencontré lorsque vous aviez 15 ans, je crois du côté de Marseille. [ Fulcanelli was this alchemist you met when you got 15 years old, I think, nearly the city of Marseille]
EC : C'est ça ! [ That's right !]
JC : Et vous dites quelque part, que lorsque vous l'avez retrouvé en 1952, il avait 113 ans... [ And you say somewhere, when you met him again in 1952, he got 113 years old]
EC : Tiens ! Comment avez-vous su cela ? [ How have you known this ?]
JC : J'ai lu cela quelque part de vous, et vous ajoutez même : « Il avait 113 ans mais il paraissait mon âge ». Et à l'époque vous aviez donc 53 ans puisque vous êtes né en 1899. [ I have read it somewhere from you, and you add even " He was 113 years old but he looked my age". And, at the time you got 53 because you are born in 1899.]
[...]
JC : Il est mort ? [ He's dead?]
EC:Non ! Non ! Bien sûr que non ! [No ! Of course,no!]
JC : Il a quel âge aujourd'hui ?[How many years old he is today?]
EC : Et bien sauf erreur il aurait 150, voyons... je ne me trompe pas ? Il était de 1839, je l'ai su – il ne me l'a jamais dit... si il me l'a dit en somme – je l'ai su très incidemment. Alors maintenant ça lui fait donc 139, 140 ans.
Well, if i'm not mistaken... he was born in 1839, I have known it - he never told me... yes he tells me on the whole - I have known that very incidentally. So now, he must have 139,140 years old.
[...]
So we notice that year of 1839 which is not the birthday of Jules Violle ( 1841)... And other clues strike me. Canseliet, when he describes Fulcanelli said :
[...] Mais on reconnaît toutes sortes de choses du visage : les oreilles, la forme, l'implantation des cheveux, grisonnants certes, mais... qui étaient noirs ! Bon vous me direz « il a pu se teindre »... non, c'était bien lui. Je n'ai pas pu bien voir s'il avait des dents nouvelles – je vais loin – mais dans l'ensemble, quelle allure ! Ah !
[But we recognize all sorts of things in the face : ears, forms, lines of hair, greying of course but they were black ! Oh, you can say : "he could have tint them"... no, it was really him. I have not seen if he got new teeth - I go far - but on the whole, what a nice look ! ah !]
Well : look at Jules Violle : even before 78 years old ( age he supposed to meet Canseliet for the first time, since he's born in 41 and Canseliet was 15), he was rather bald, don't you find ?
Imagine : you know someone who is bald and when you meet again, he got new hair : do you really talk about "lines of hair" for describing the "miracle" ?Don't you just say : eh ! he was not bald at all !
Other point :
In the interview - 40th mn- ( and it was 4 years before his death in 1982), Canseliet said clearly that he hadn't find any student, even he was working a little with his daughter. So, we don't really know if, during the past 4 years, he find somenone to transmit as a couple master-student.
I am writing all the interview (53mn), and I can translate it for Sott archives if needed. ( But it will take some time )
You can hear this interview here : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDAgZVmhlyA
What was odd to me is the fact that, when he talks about Fucanelli, the dates he gives doesn't correspond with "Jules Violle"...
[...]Eugène Canseliet : Je ne suis pas Adepte, malheureusement. C'est ce que vous me demandiez peut-être ? Oui c'est cela, j'ai bien compris... non je ne suis pas Adepte. [ I'm not Adept, unfortunately. It is what you ask to me maybe? Yes, I guess... No I'm not Adept.]
Jacques Chancel : Fulcanelli l'était... [ Fulcanelli was ?]
EC : Ah oui!Assurément ! Yes, of course !
JC : Fulcanelli c'est cet alchimiste que vous aviez rencontré lorsque vous aviez 15 ans, je crois du côté de Marseille. [ Fulcanelli was this alchemist you met when you got 15 years old, I think, nearly the city of Marseille]
EC : C'est ça ! [ That's right !]
JC : Et vous dites quelque part, que lorsque vous l'avez retrouvé en 1952, il avait 113 ans... [ And you say somewhere, when you met him again in 1952, he got 113 years old]
EC : Tiens ! Comment avez-vous su cela ? [ How have you known this ?]
JC : J'ai lu cela quelque part de vous, et vous ajoutez même : « Il avait 113 ans mais il paraissait mon âge ». Et à l'époque vous aviez donc 53 ans puisque vous êtes né en 1899. [ I have read it somewhere from you, and you add even " He was 113 years old but he looked my age". And, at the time you got 53 because you are born in 1899.]
[...]
JC : Il est mort ? [ He's dead?]
EC:Non ! Non ! Bien sûr que non ! [No ! Of course,no!]
JC : Il a quel âge aujourd'hui ?[How many years old he is today?]
EC : Et bien sauf erreur il aurait 150, voyons... je ne me trompe pas ? Il était de 1839, je l'ai su – il ne me l'a jamais dit... si il me l'a dit en somme – je l'ai su très incidemment. Alors maintenant ça lui fait donc 139, 140 ans.
Well, if i'm not mistaken... he was born in 1839, I have known it - he never told me... yes he tells me on the whole - I have known that very incidentally. So now, he must have 139,140 years old.
[...]
So we notice that year of 1839 which is not the birthday of Jules Violle ( 1841)... And other clues strike me. Canseliet, when he describes Fulcanelli said :
[...] Mais on reconnaît toutes sortes de choses du visage : les oreilles, la forme, l'implantation des cheveux, grisonnants certes, mais... qui étaient noirs ! Bon vous me direz « il a pu se teindre »... non, c'était bien lui. Je n'ai pas pu bien voir s'il avait des dents nouvelles – je vais loin – mais dans l'ensemble, quelle allure ! Ah !
[But we recognize all sorts of things in the face : ears, forms, lines of hair, greying of course but they were black ! Oh, you can say : "he could have tint them"... no, it was really him. I have not seen if he got new teeth - I go far - but on the whole, what a nice look ! ah !]
Well : look at Jules Violle : even before 78 years old ( age he supposed to meet Canseliet for the first time, since he's born in 41 and Canseliet was 15), he was rather bald, don't you find ?
Imagine : you know someone who is bald and when you meet again, he got new hair : do you really talk about "lines of hair" for describing the "miracle" ?Don't you just say : eh ! he was not bald at all !
Other point :
In the interview - 40th mn- ( and it was 4 years before his death in 1982), Canseliet said clearly that he hadn't find any student, even he was working a little with his daughter. So, we don't really know if, during the past 4 years, he find somenone to transmit as a couple master-student.
I am writing all the interview (53mn), and I can translate it for Sott archives if needed. ( But it will take some time )
