Iodine

davey72

The Living Force
I am curious as to what the C's would say about the lack of iodine the world over. Why the deficiancy? Have we always needed iodine? Was it a sudden or gradual mutation? Did our ancient ancestors have iodine or neanderthals, etc?
I havent seen anything on these questions yet but i dont have much for internet these days so apologize if it has been said elsewhere. I would also like to see some independent research on these questions.

Edit: I also had a thought that perhaps Shaman started using drugs to facilitate their adventures due to the absence of iodine.
 
There has been the thought brought up in the iodine thread that the aquatic ape hypothesis seems to fit with our need for iodine. Brownstein's book, Iodine: Why You Need It also goes into why our world is lacking in iodine, in no small part due to agricultural practices as well as the abundance of toxins like bromine, fluoride and chloride that counteract the utilization of iodine in our bodies. Check it out when you get a chance.
 
davey72 said:
I am curious as to what the C's would say about the lack of iodine the world over. Why the deficiancy? Have we always needed iodine? Was it a sudden or gradual mutation? Did our ancient ancestors have iodine or neanderthals, etc?
I havent seen anything on these questions yet but i dont have much for internet these days so apologize if it has been said elsewhere. I would also like to see some independent research on these questions.

Edit: I also had a thought that perhaps Shaman started using drugs to facilitate their adventures due to the absence of iodine.

Well, Brownstein and also Farrow say that the iodine crisis has to do with lower iodine levels in the soil (modern agriculture which uses fertilizers) and therefore in food; using bromide instead of iodine as an agent in food (especially bread) and with the extreme toxicity of our modern environment, which leads to higher iodine needs by the body. Farrow even says that there is evidence that ancient cultures specifically gathered/stored sea weed to use it as a treatment.

Today's high needs of iodine and the elimination of it both from our diets and modern medicine smells a lot like a 4D-masterplan I think, i.e. "travelling back and forth in time" to produce the present situation...
 
Yeah. Read the book. Not gonna ask Cs something that's already answered.
 
davey72 said:
I am curious as to what the C's would say about the lack of iodine the world over. Why the deficiancy?

Multiple factors:

*Soil depletion due to monocropping and 20th century industrial fertilizer containing only nitrogen, phosphorus and potassium because the plants can still grow with just those.

*World-wide industrial pollution and toxicity exposing us to radiation, heavy metals, halides, which block iodine absorption by the body's glands and cellds.

*Seemingly deliberate reduction of iodine in every area of usage (medicinal, nutritional etc.) by the powers that be to make us ill and stupid.

Have we always needed iodine? Was it a sudden or gradual mutation? Did our ancient ancestors have iodine or neanderthals, etc?

Well, the reason iodine is toxic to pathogens, bacteria, yeast, fungi etc., is because they came along first and evolved in an iodine-free environment, so they have no defence against it.

But, by the time seaweed came along, it seems iodine was available by then because they began to use and store it, as a detoxifyer. Then, every cell in our bodies needs iodine, so I would guess that it has been an essential component of our biology for millions of years.

I havent seen anything on these questions yet but i dont have much for internet these days so apologize if it has been said elsewhere. I would also like to see some independent research on these questions.

There's tons of research, data, books, video's on iodine out there. Couldn't you do some research on it yourself?

Edit: I also had a thought that perhaps Shaman started using drugs to facilitate their adventures due to the absence of iodine.

Iodine deficiency is a 20th century problem, so I doubt shamans would have had any issues with it. From what I've read of Laura's work, I think the function of the shaman got watered down because shamanism was a blood-line based practice and it got watered down due to breeding with people without 'the right stuff', so to speak. Then, shamanic initiation became a ritual based practice ("STS tries to force the issue") instead of a process of Universal initiative unveiling ("STO lets things happen more naturally").

Also, a big job of the shaman was "Seeing the unseen" which doesn't necessarily entail literally being able to see ghosts or demons or visit other densities or 'planes of consciousness' (although it may have), but is more about being able to read clues in the symbol system that strict 3rd density really is. So the idea of using hallucinogens could be a corruption of this idea of Seeing the unseen by people who didn't know what shamanism really was.
 
I think you nailed it down pretty well with your third suggestion, Dogobah Resident;

"Seemingly deliberate reduction of iodine in every area of usage (medicinal, nutritional etc.) by the powers that be to make us ill and stupid."
 
ok but regarding agriculture and top soil depletion why is it the world over? and have we really done this to every inch of topsoil? als fertilizers havent been around that long. what about places that meet the ocean? . I can sort if see it in certain areas like prairie land as in Alberta the farmers often need to supplement selenium but my neighbor has a patch by a creek that contains it.

Thank you for the answers. I am curious how much iodine hidden tribes like in the Amazon get. Thank especially T.C. as you really nailed any questions that arise. i am stuck on an acreage with noging but a phone that rarely works right now and trying to work my eay out so its impossible to do much right now. im surprised i was able to get this reply out.
 
davey72 said:
ok but regarding agriculture and top soil depletion why is it the world over? and have we really done this to every inch of topsoil? als fertilizers havent been around that long. what about places that meet the ocean? . I can sort if see it in certain areas like prairie land as in Alberta the farmers often need to supplement selenium but my neighbor has a patch by a creek that contains it.

Your question reminds me a lot of this documentary I saw a few years back. Global Warming or a New Age: A Documentary Film From what I remember from watching it, the reason there is soil depletion has to do with the mineral content that seems to naturally degrade while in a warming period. That a lot of the essential plants and trees that are robust and vibrant use up so much of the mineral content in soil, which buffers against acidity, that over the course of thousands of years the acidity levels increase and less vital trees like ferns that thrive in that kind of soil start to populate more. But when an ice-age occurs, the ice and snow start grinding up the rocks and stones, which eventually re-mineralize the soil and the cycle continues on.

Added: I'm sure agriculture plays a large role in this as well, just that there is a larger cycle where I think soil depletion would eventually happen anyways.
 
ok but if nobody is farming this land then do the trees and animals not die and biodegrade the elements back to the soil? or am i missing something?
 
davey72 said:
ok but if nobody is farming this land then do the trees and animals not die and biodegrade the elements back to the soil? or am i missing something?
Maybe, but probably not at the levels needed to counteract the increased toxins and radioactivity.
 
luc said:
Well, Brownstein and also Farrow say that the iodine crisis has to do with lower iodine levels in the soil (modern agriculture which uses fertilizers) and therefore in food; using bromide instead of iodine as an agent in food (especially bread) and with the extreme toxicity of our modern environment, which leads to higher iodine needs by the body. Farrow even says that there is evidence that ancient cultures specifically gathered/stored sea weed to use it as a treatment.

Interesting; was listening to a David Paulides interview on YouTube just yesterday, where someone mentioned an anecdote where native Americans (or maybe native Canadians) recalled seeing a bigfoot family walking along, carrying kelp - it was draped over their shoulders.
 
kalibex said:
Interesting; was listening to a David Paulides interview on YouTube just yesterday, where someone mentioned an anecdote where native Americans (or maybe native Canadians) recalled seeing a bigfoot family walking along, carrying kelp - it was draped over their shoulders.

Here is an excerpt from Farrow's book for those interested:

The Iodine Crisis said:
Digging up a 15,000 Year-Old Seaweed Medicine Hut

In 1975, a veterinary student from the Southern University of Chile stumbled on what he thought was a cow bone while out for a walk. His discovery turned out to be a mastodon tusk and contained scrape marks where humans had cut away the meat. This finding launched a 10 year excavation project by archaeologist Tom Dillehay and his colleagues. They dug and they dug. They picked at the fibers in the soil with dental picks. They sifted, they radiocarbon dated and then dug some more. What they discovered was a roughly 15,000 year-old site containing a small village of huts.

Nine seaweed species were found among the plant and animal remains. When the scientists examined the material microscopically, they found all nine species were excellent sources of iodine, zinc, hormones and trace elements, as well as protein. Archaeologists who specialize in the analysis of plants to discover how ancient societies organized themselves, participate in the specialized field of archeobotany. They discovered that those prehistoric people consumed seaweeds which regulated cholesterol metabolism, strengthened bones and strengthened immune response. The findings show how sophisticated the prehistoric people were with respect to plant medicine.

One of the Monte Verde, Chile village structures was set apart as a “medicine hut” where the seaweeds were prepared. Some specimens were found dried, showing they had been preserved, and some specimens were burnt in the way later healers used to use seaweed ashes to treat goiter. Eventually the iodine component of seaweed was identified by the researchers as the most active ingredient. What archaeologists called a “masticated cud” with antibiotic properties was found with teeth marks, suggesting one of the ways seaweed was consumed was in the form of a large lozenge that would get the medicine directly into the bloodstream via the blood vessels in the mouth, bypassing digestion.

It is known that iodine in its isolated form can irritate the stomach. One might speculate this lozenge may have been designed to eliminate the problem; the same problem Dr. Guy Abraham solved 15,000 years later by coating his iodine tablets with a pharmaceutical glaze so they wouldn’t irritate the stomach … Caveman, meet Dr. A.

Another striking discovery about the prehistoric Monte Verde inhabitants is that they lived in a region rich with plants and animals, but seaweeds were not available locally. The nearest seaweeds came from the far distant coast. Natives would have needed to walk 90 kilometers west to acquire it from the seacoast or else find prehistoric trading partners. This information shows how prized seaweeds were to their culture.


From Prehistoric Chile to Vitamin Shoppe

According to Dillehay’s supporting materials for Monte Verde: Seaweed, Food, Medicine, and the Peopling of South America, some of the excavated seaweeds are still used today by the indigenous Huilliche people to treat rashes, inflammations, abscesses, tumors, ulcers, eye infections, gout and other conditions. I found Gigartina, one of the seaweeds found at the Monte Verde site, in capsules in the Vitamin Shoppe chain store. Research shows this red seaweed has been used for millennia as an immune stimulant and antiviral in traditional Chinese medicine as well as other cultures. Many contemporary naturopaths and herbalists recommend Gigartina, unaware that 15,000 years ago prehistoric peoples used the exact same botanical.

Fast forward ten centuries. Written history actually documents seaweeds as medicine. Herbal medicine books were among the first books produced, written by hand, in ancient China, Egypt, India and Europe. Most often such writings were created on manuscript “paper” or scrolls and recorded the traditional medical practices. They were often accompanied by drawings so the reader could identify the right plant.
The Emperor Shennong is credited with the founding of Chinese herbal medicine, but most likely he only possessed the foresight to record traditional remedies which had been passed along by word of mouth through the generations. They were recorded in the Pen Ts’ao ching or Great Herbal pharmacopoeia in about 2700 BCE. Hai Tsao, one of the seaweeds found at the Monte Verde site, also is listed in the ancient Chinese herbal as a treatment for tumors, goiter and tuberculosis. Laminaria, a brown seaweed, was recommended for tumors then and is still studied by scientists 3,000 years later.

The famous Ebers Medical Papyrus was reportedly found between the legs of a mummy in an Egyptian burial ground. When the 110 page scroll was finally translated into English by an Egyptian endocrinologist in 1987, the manuscript revealed that the Egyptians used seaweeds for breast tumors. The ancient Indian Ayurvedic medicine employed seaweed as well. The Materia Medica, a compilation of medical remedies, reports the same information, showing seaweed was a universally known remedy for everything from tumors to parasites for millennia.

Goiter was sometimes referred to as “fat neck.” Hippocrates, the ancient Greek philosopher known as the father of Western medicine, widely known for authoring the oath, “First do no harm,” also prescribed seaweed. Hippocrates made medicine a discipline distinct from philosophy but maintained philosophy’s imperative to look for errors in reasoning within medicine. He urged meticulous documenting of all clinical observations as well as taking elaborate case histories of the whole person. These holistic practices, which were the standard of care in Ancient Greece, mostly died out after his death. But at least he passed on the tradition of treating the thyroid with seaweed to his many followers.
 
Very interesting Luc but i am under the assumption that seawead really does more harm than good. I wondrr then why the natives used it? I guess they had no other sources eh?
 
@Davey72 Well today seaweed CAN be harmful because of all the radiation and pollution in the water where they grow (which you also ingest when you eat them) which wasn't a problem as it is today.
 
oh. not sure why but i had thought seaweed contained natural toxins the same way seeds contain lectins. now im corrected. thank you
 

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