Is the universe is expanding?

[ealvizo2012]

Question for the Cassiopaeans.
Does the universe is expanding? It seems that if, as Dolpper effect, but it may be that the universe does not expand, and the light turns red when crossing more space, more space redder. It may be just a property of space, which degrades the light.

 

[Archaea]

Re: Does the universe is expanding?

I've wondered about this too. In the Seth books, Seth say's that the universe isn't really expanding, it's just an optical illusion from our place in the universe (3rd density?). So I thought maybe the red shift observed by Hubble might be a gravitational red shift rather than the Doppler effect. But I don't know.

 

[aaronfransen]

Wal Thornhill over at the Electric Universe group tends to point at Halton Arp's contention that the redshift we see out there is more due to fluctuations in energy levels than the Doppler effect, and does not indicate everything (literally, everything!) is moving away from us.

From that standpoint it appears we are not expanding. The other problem with that is it makes it very difficult to determine the age of the universe and it's origin, and would strongly undermine the big bang theory.

 

[sitting]

Re: Does the universe is expanding?

I've wondered about this too. In the Seth books, Seth say's that the universe isn't really expanding, it's just an optical illusion from our place in the universe (3rd density?). So I thought maybe the red shift observed by Hubble might be a gravitational red shift rather than the Doppler effect. But I don't know.

FWIW, McCanney has proposed a different effect which causes the observed red shift. And it's electrical.

He called it the Induced Electric Dipole Red-Shift. You can read about it here:


http://tmgnow.com/repository/cometary/ori6.html


I found this paragraph to be of particular interest...in view of what may be coming our way.

"Highly charged comet nuclei will also exhibit a red-shift in spectral lines regardless of the position or velocity with respect to the observer. Red-shift data exist for comets, but have always been interpreted as giving the velocities of tail ions as scientists have assumed that tail ions move away from the comet nucleus. "Tremendous tail accelerations" have posed an unsolved dilemma in interpreting this data. The IEDRS reconciles a new theory with this data, suggesting that the cometary red-shift is not a measure of tail ion velocities, but is a measure of electrical charge on the comet nucleus."

 

[Archaea]

FWIW, McCanney has proposed a different effect which causes the observed red shift. And it's electrical.

He called it the Induced Electric Dipole Red-Shift. You can read about it here:


http://tmgnow.com/repository/cometary/ori6.html

Thanks very much for linking this sitting, I finally got around to reading it.

I'm interested in red/blue shifts and the Doppler effect, because in my super secret theory of physics, the blue shift, regardless of whether it's caused by velocity or gravity, corresponds to an increase in the perceived rate of time and a shortening in the perceived length of space, while the red shift is the opposite.

So for me, a red shift caused by the electric charge of the nucleus of a comet would correspond to a warping of the observed space/time. I also found this bit interesting:

Less energetic photons do not have sufficient energy for pair production (1.02 MeV is the minimum energy required), but they must similarly contain a (-,+) charge pair. This pair will separate slightly while in any non-uniform electric field, causing an attractive force (the induced electric dipole force is always attractive). This small force acting on photons as they travel over astronomical distances will reduce photon energy (the red-shift) and cause a bending of light in photons passing by a stellar object.

So an intense electric field strong enough to zap energy from photons might create a perceived warp in space/time... according to my super-secret theory of physics.

EDIT: Spelling.

 

[sitting]

You can read about it here:

But be careful with this stuff too.

My own level of physics is college level...40 plus years ago. Although I do try to keep up...I have no way of telling if he's right or not. But this material has been out in the open for some time now. So if it's bunk, the competent physicists of this world should have shot it to pieces long ago.

And maybe some already have and I was just unaware of it.

The most compelling evidence for me was seeing visual images of "linkage". Between stellar objects of supposedly vastly different distances from earth...distances that were calculated based on the standard red shift model.

 

[Archaea]

But be careful with this stuff too.

OK, but I've been thinking about this stuff now and I think I get some of it. In quantum physics photons can split at any random time into an electron and a positron, like in the article. :P So, if we assume that this will happen regularly a certain percentage of the time, then in an electric field, when the photon splits and the electron and positron reconnect to from the photon, the photon might have a different energy level from the interaction of the electron and positron with the electric field, and this would be perceived by an observer as a red or blue shift.

If this is the case then according to my super secret theory of physics (which is quickly becoming not so super secret) this red/blue shift would be perceived as a warp in the space/time within which the electric field exists. So, I think if that is true then all we need to do is get some books on advanced quantum physics, check out the Feynman diagrams, see if we can make the outgoing photon not be parallel with the incoming photon in a split using an electric field, then build some really big tesla coils and some surveying equipment, turn it all on and laugh maniacally.

The most compelling evidence for me was seeing visual images of "linkage". Between stellar objects of supposedly vastly different distances from earth...distances that were calculated based on the standard red shift model.

That sounds really interesting to me, and I think it would be pretty compelling evidence. I really enjoy looking at space photos, I like to think that the Hubble space telescope is like a canvas for god to paint on, rather than a scientific instrument. :)

 

[ealvizo2012]

The redshift of light from distant objects in our galaxy, -Andromeda not going to collide with ours- can be explained by the Doppler effect, but to me it looks suspicious to the conclusion that all objects are removed from us, unless this place has been the center of the Big Bang.
I have a simpler theory of why the redshift of distant objects. Imagine that we are little fish that we are in a sea of ​​calm water and a little murky red, surrounded by sharks.
Logically less red sharks are the closest and most red sharks are farther away.
Do you think it is logical to conclude that the lake is expanding?.
So the question for Cassiopaens.

 

[Bosphorus1982]

yes it is. It's going to continue til the earth completes it's ascension. After then it will begin to retract.

 

[irjO]

yes it is. It's going to continue til the earth completes it's ascension. After then it will begin to retract.

Do you have any specific data to prove that? I ask cuz you seems confident about it

 

[Bosphorus1982]

yes. it's written in the pleiadian messages book 2

 

[Jacques]

yes it is. It's going to continue til the earth completes it's ascension. After then it will begin to retract.

Do you have any specific data to prove that? I ask cuz you seems confident about it

yes. it's written in the pleiadian messages book 2

As far as I am concern, it is not because it is written in a book, that proves it.

 

[irjO]

yes it is. It's going to continue til the earth completes it's ascension. After then it will begin to retract.

Do you have any specific data to prove that? I ask cuz you seems confident about it

yes. it's written in the pleiadian messages book 2

As far as I am concern, it is not because it is written in a book, that proves it.

I agree with Gandalf and I recomend you to read all the wave series written by Laura KJ if you haven't do so

 

[John G]

Keep in mind it's not an either or thing. There can be expanding universe red shifts and other red shifts related to what Electric Universe models might call longitudinal photons and what for Ark might be a conformal gravity thing (I think longitudinal photons are a conformal gravity thing and I also think dark energy that expands the universe is a conformal gravity thing).

 

[MusicMan]

As above, so below.
The Earth is expanding, ergo the Universe is expanding, and it's fractal.
As an aside, why do comets have two tails?
Obviously one is charged ions, and the other is neutral atoms being ejected from the melting comet by the positively charged particles coming from the sun known as the solar wind.
The charged ions will move at a different speed to the neutral ones, being repulsed more by virtue of their charge reacting with the solar wind.
I theorise that the two tails may contain entangled photons, so that even as they differentiate, they are still 'together' or balanced, if you will.
As for the Doppler effect, if an object is spinning, and black holes etc spin at a phenomenal rate, the side that is spinning toward you will be at a totally different speed to the side that is spinning away from you. A bicycle wheel makes a good analogy. You may pick up the red part of the Doppler image, but the blue part may be off the visible scale due to the phenomenal difference in speed!
These are just my own thoughts on the subject.