Mass shooting in Nova Scotia, Canada


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Yes, that's because it was taken after the vehicle was winched out of the creek into which it crashed. You're unlikely to find any close-up images from the crash scene depicting the vehicle itself because it is standard practice for the media not to do so - in part because emergency responders keep them back, in part because it's commonly understood that it's disrespectful to take footage for the purpose of public dissemination of a car accident, particularly one in which dead and badly broken bodies are inside and around the vehicle.

Yes, I mentioned that earlier, and suggested it's likely because that fourth door was removed after the vehicle was retrieved and stored.

Our view of the front (in profile) is obscured in the first photo by the bright flood-lights. I don't see why it would have been deliberately staged this way so as to hide something from public knowledge. To believe or suspect that, I would first have to have evidence or reasonable suspicion that something of particular importance regarding this case was being hidden from public knowledge.

You clearly see a lot more to this incident than I do, but may I ask you to refrain from further discussing the Schoharie incident on this thread? You may start a separate thread if you have more to share on that matter. Back to the atrocities committed in Nova Scotia...
Yes, we should have another thread for this. Maybe there's a way to move the existing discussion to a new thread? There's one interview in particular I'm hoping to find which might even pique your interest, Niall, although I can't be sure of that since you haven't agreed with me on much of anything thus far!

Since you brought up some additional points, this post is just to respond in that vein. It seems only fair, after all.

With regard to the bottom photograph, I didn't say or imply it was "deliberately staged." I pointed out how the photograph is pixilated and overly white in that one area (as compared to the quality of the rest of the photograph). As to why it is like that, I suggested it could be to mask something in that photo (such as a lack of damage, I speculated). "Deliberately staged" is something altogether different. It would be to set up the shot. I'm talking about what seems to have been done to the shot after the fact. And since my working hypothesis is that all these images are "found" images, then it could be relevant in that context.

You know, Niall, the fact that you see those two photos as depicting the same vehicle is rather astonishing to me! We do see even what's right in front of our eyes entirely differently.

And no, I don't agree that in the age of the internet especially there wouldn't be photographs indicative of a very serious crash, which didn't at all exist at the time of the accident. As for protecting the families, were the completely random, extreme, car wreck thumbnail "teasers" on the Schoharie Youtube videos meant to protect these families?

Anyway, thank you, Niall, for a rigorous debate; and, yes, on to Nova Scotia...


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Just to add to the picture here:

May 9th, 2020
Q: (L) Well... Any other questions?

(Niall) There was a major mass shooting in Canada two weeks ago in the middle of all of this. Mass shooting in Nova Scotia, officially it's one guy who killed 23 people, burned down 16 structures, 5 cars, killed two cops, and did it all in the space of 13 hours before finally being killed. I suppose the question is: Did he really do all of that alone?

A: No.

Q: (Joe) Well, the effect of that was that the Canadian government banned 1500 types of guns.

(L) It was set up just to do that.

(Joe) And it happened at a time when everybody was looking in the opposite direction because of coronavirus.

If anything else has been the Justin-governments tactics, nothing new, just like in Ottawa years before with PM Harper, and this time using the Privy Council to make an order in council - just like that.

The obfuscation of facts in the press in this case has been plain to see (with a legal case against the government over this), and here we have the National Post with an update, of sorts:

May 18, 2020
5:00 PM EDT
Nova Scotia mass shooting: New information about murder rampage delayed by government lawyers

Up to seven redacted RCMP documents were expected to be released Tuesday, but that number has now dropped sharply

Government lawyers admit they are already significantly behind the court’s schedule for releasing information about last month’s Nova Scotia shooting rampage, before they have even begun to do so.

In response to a legal challenge by media organizations for information regarding the worst spree killing in Canada’s history — the murder of 22 victims by a gunman masquerading as an RCMP officer — up to seven redacted RCMP documents were expected to be released Tuesday, according to a timetable set in court.

On Friday, however, Mark Covan, representing the Public Prosecution Service of Canada, notified a judge that only one warrant could be stripped of information that the Crown deems too sensitive in time for Tuesday’s hearing.

“The Crown has been working diligently on vetting the ITOs,” a letter from Covan says, referencing “Information to Obtain” documents that police file when seeking judicial authorization to conduct a search of someone’s property.

“Unfortunately, because of the volume, the structure of the ITOs and the need to consult, that process is moving more slowly than expected. We have identified one ITO that, we believe, is the most comprehensive and have focused our efforts on that document. We anticipate having it ready on the 19th, but the others will take longer to complete.”

There are expected to eventually be 20 applications for judicial authorizations of search warrants and production orders prepared by the RCMP in its investigation of the shootings, which began on April 18 and continued through the night and into the next day.

The warrants, many to search property owned by the gunman, Gabriel Wortman, 51, who was shot and killed by the RCMP, were executed at different times and are in different stages of being processed.

Case law says search warrant information — once executed and if items are seized by police — should be public information.

It is up to the government to justifyany ongoing secrecy” surrounding the contents of the warrants, David Coles, a lawyer representing the media consortium, which includes Postmedia, said at a hearing last week.

The Crown was expected to release on Tuesday redacted versions of the first batch of RCMP documents: four search warrants, two production orders and a more recently closed warrant, which Judge Laurie Halfpenny MacQuarrie collectively called “the Group of Seven.”

The documents are expected to be heavily redacted — censored of information the government wishes to keep secret — while lawyers continue to argue in court over what should ultimately be made public.

The judge called this the “first round of redactions” to be made.

The Crown’s slow progress significantly reduces the information set to be made available this week.

Covan said at the hearing on May 11 that the government needs to balance what’s to be released with “keeping investigative materials confidential.”

Mark Heerema, a lawyer representing the provincial prosecution service, said that even though Wortman is dead and can no longer face charges, prosecutors are “protecting that ongoing investigation,” as there is the “possibility that given this ongoing investigation, there may be other prosecutions which can emerge.”

Shauna MacDonald, another lawyer with the Nova Scotia public prosecution service, said at the May 11 hearing: “Redactions take a tremendous amount of time. There’s consultation with investigating officers, there’s work done by the Crown agencies, and both Crown agencies, with investigating officers.”

The hearings are being held by teleconference because of COVID-19 restrictions. The media’s legal challenge seeking more information regarding the shootings comes amid growing calls for increased transparency in the case and its prelude.

On Friday, a group of law professors at Dalhousie University wrote a letter to Nova Scotia Premier Stephen McNeil calling for a public inquiry.

“In a modern democracy committed to state accountability, an internal investigation will not suffice. Independence, impartiality and transparency are essential components of maintaining public confidence in the administration of justice. Only a public inquiry can satisfy these requirements,” the letter says.

“The families of the victims, Nova Scotians and Canadians deserve a transparent, impartial and independent assessment of why and how this incident occurred.”

The office of denturist Gabriel Wortman, who police say went on a shooting spree killing multiple people, is seen in Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada April 19, 2020. REUTERS/Sean Dewitt

The Nova Scotia RCMP continues its investigation of the shootings in a probe designated Operation H-Strong. (All RCMP operational projects in Nova Scotia start with the letter H, the force’s designation for the province).

Over 13 hours, Wortman, a denturist, went on a terrifying mobile shooting spree across northern Nova Scotia, dressed in an authentic RCMP uniform and driving an exact replica of an RCMP cruiser.

The violent rampage started with a domestic assault, when Wortman assaulted and held captive a woman in Portapique, about 135 kilometres north of Halifax. She managed to escape and hid overnight in a wooded area.

Police received the first 911 call at 10:01 on April 18, reporting a shooting at a nearby residence, RCMP said.

Wortman then set out in an unearned uniform and fake cruiser, leaving an outrageous and tragic path of carnage: setting fires to homes and killing their occupants, shooting passersby and people coming to help, killing an RCMP constable trying to stop him, pulling over cars and killing the people inside.

He knew some of his victims and others were seemingly random encounters, police said.

His victims included a police officer, a teacher, two nurses, two prison guards, a fellow denturist, business owners, a family including a 17-year-old daughter, neighbours and others.

“There are many areas of investigation as we continue to piece together the gunman’s movements, possible motivation and whether he received assistance leading up to the incidents,” the RCMP said in an investigation update last week.

The RCMP’s Behavioural Analysis Unit is conducting a psychological autopsy of the gunman. The intent is to gather insights into the reasons for his violent spree, including an analysis of his personality, past behaviour and how he related to others, the RCMP said.

Investigators say that when Wortman left the area of his home on April 18, he had two semi-automatic handguns and two semi-automatic rifles with him, all of them now recovered by police.

Police believe three of those guns were obtained in the United States and the RCMP is working with the Canada Border Services Agency to probe their cross-border transit, the RCMP said. The other gun was traced to an origin within Canada. The calibre of the weapons was not released.

“Determining where and how the gunman obtained the firearms is a central part of the investigation and we use this detailed information to verify the credibility of some of the information we receive,” the RCMP said. Police said that after Wortman killed RCMP Const. Heidi Stevenson, he took her gun with him.

Police have also identified the source of the RCMP decals on the gunman’s replica police cruiser. The decals were created at a business without the permission of the business owner, and both the owner and the individual who made the decals are cooperating with police, the RCMP said.

Further, investigators believe Wortman used an accelerant to start the many fires he left behind. “We know the gunman had a significant supply of gasoline at his home in Portapique,” the RCMP said.

Investigators have spoken to 500 witnesses and are continuing to conduct interviews, the RCMP said. Surveillance video from businesses and homes has also been collected to track the gunman’s movements.


A Ford Police Interceptor sedan with no markings, is parked at the Atlantic Denture Clinic in Dartmouth, N.S. on Monday, April 20, 2020. THE CANADIAN PRESS/Andrew Vaughan

Ground-penetrating radar was used to search under the ground at Wortman’s property in Portapique, but nothing of relevance was found.

Searches of 17 crime scenes from the rampage have now ended and all properties have been released to their owners.

Investigators still want to speak with anyone who “had a conflict with the gunman, whether professional or personal, at any time.” The RCMP said. Anyone with information is asked to call an RCMP tip line at 1-833-570-0121.

In a separate article by the National Post on the firearms:

snip said:
Gabriel Wortman, who police have said didn’t have a licence for the weapons, was shot and killed by RCMP officers April 19 outside a gas station in Enfield, N.S.

"didn’t have a licence for the weapons" resulted in the most mind-boggling banning of firearms imaginable - after reviewing the list they hit every manufacture with big black pens (remember that Canada has very strict firearms laws as it is). To make matters worse, there is confusion now as many are saying basic shotguns and hunting rifles are on the list. There will also be legal challenges and court cases, including the WTO. What a kerfuffle.

To describe this further, here is an email from the BC Wildlife Federation to the less than honorable Minister Blair:

May 8th, 2020
Dear Minister Blair,
I am writing to bring your attention to what I can only believe is an accidental error. We trust that once you become aware of this oversight, you will speedily move to make the appropriate corrections.
By including firearms used by millions of Canadian hunters and sport shooters, you not only violated your previous promise not to do so, but you inadvertently penalized millions of law-abiding firearms owners, both hunters and sport shooters, and destroyed hundreds of small Canadian businesses that sell firearms and other sporting equipment, all without increasing public safety. It serves no good public safety purpose to deliberately alienate one of the most law-abiding segments of our community.
Contrary to your promises made earlier, the recent ban on "assault-style firearms," inappropriately included a large number of sporting rifles and shotguns. For example, on 31 January 2020, a spokesperson in your office stated, "We … will not target guns designed for hunting. Hunters, farmers, and law-abiding recreational gun owners will be treated with fairness and respect as we work together to keep our communities safe."
The ban casts an incredibly wide net. Apparently, inadvertently, it ensnares a number of civilian rifles and shotguns that are widely used by hunters and sport shooters across Canada. Knowing that you are an honourable person, it is inconceivable for us to believe your office would intentionally ban hundreds of thousands of firearms used legitimately by millions of Canadians in a safe and responsible manner. If not rescinded, this would be a devastating blow to Canadian hunters and sport shooters as well as to the Olympic shooting sports.
Acting on behalf of 43,000 B. C. Wildlife Federation members, I request that you instruct your office to remove the many civilian rifles and shotguns that are on this list, that have been inadvertently prohibited through carelessly expediting the drafting of this Order-in-Council. It is inconceivable that it serves any public safety purpose to ban standard large-calibre hunting rifles and common semi-automatic rifles. The Ruger Mini-14 and Mini-30 that are banned are among the most common firearms in the country, used by hunters, sport shooters, and agriculturalists.The announcement of the new prohibitions was entitled, "a ban on assault-style weapons," although the ban casts an exceptionally wide net. To be sure, it includes firearms that resemble military firearms, which have been labelled "assault-style weapons," but it also includes an amazingly wide sample of firearms and militaria. In addition to banning common sporting firearms, the ban also includes: mortars, crew-served anti-tank weapons, missile launchers, small-bore rifles, Airsoft guns, a bizarre array of harmless contraptions also called "guns." The variety is truly mind-boggling.
Perhaps amusingly, it appears your government may have prohibited the beloved T-shirt launcher that is featured prominently at many baseball and basketball games as well as the dreaded potato gun. Whether or not this was intentional, Canada will not be safer for it, and sports fans may not be pleased. Perhaps the ban may have also intentionally eliminated the fireworks launchers that produce such awesome displays on Canada Day, although many Canadians will be disappointed. Your office has indeed cast a wide net – and all for public safety.
It might help educate your staff if I point out that gang violence is the most prominent threat to public safety in Canada, not licensed firearms owners, whether hunters, sport shooters, or Canadians who own firearms for historical, cultural, agricultural, or as part of their military or police service. According to Statistics Canada data, almost half (47%) of firearm homicides are gang related. Lawful firearm owners are rarely involved. Just 2% of accused murderers had a valid firearms license.
Licensed gun owners are much less likely to be murderous than other Canadians. As Professor Gary Mauser reported to the Senate of Canada, licensed gun owners had a homicide rate of 0.67 per 100,000 licensed gun owners over the 11-year period (2006-2016). In contrast, the average national homicide rate (including gun owners) was 2.12 per 100,000 adults during the same period.
As I'm confident you know, hunters are law-abiding and bring value to their communities.
Over 1.3 million Canadians, in all provinces and territories, have a hunting license. You may be surprised to learn that roughly half of Canada's hunters live in larger cities. Hunting spending in Canada totaled $5.9 billion in 2018. The resulting contribution to GDP was $4.1 billion. Hunting supported 33,000 jobs and generated just under $2 billion in labour revenue.
Many Canadian families and Indigenous peoples depend upon hunting to provide food for the family table through legal harvesting, with the added benefit of getting out in the wilderness, as well as spending time with family and friends.Hunters are the largest contributors to conservation, as the money they pay for licenses goes into securing conservation lands or funding projects to manage wildlife.
The ban may also catch shotguns used in trap and skeet as well as hunting. Millions of Canadians enjoy target sports and own these types of firearms, including Olympic athletes. An estimated 1.4 million Canadian target shooters spent over $2.6 billion in 2018. This includes shotgun sports, rifle and handgun target shooting. The target sports bring value to Canada and to the communities that host the meets, including tourism and supporting small businesses, often in small towns where the revenue is sorely needed. This spending boosted GDP by $1.8 billion, supported 14,000 jobs, and generated $868 million in labour revenue (2018).
Canada has a long and proud history of competitive marksmanship. Throughout the 20th Century and into the 21st, Canadians have volunteered to help protect the free world from aggression. It is important for Canadian national sovereignty that Canadian civilians be prepared to participate in military activities in times of national need. Times like world war II, Korean War, Viet Nam, and more recently, in Afghanistan.
To sum up, we trust that once you become aware of this oversight, you will speedily move to make the appropriate corrections. The ban casts too wide a net to be targeted for public safety. It serves no good public safety purpose to deliberately alienate a law-abiding segment of our community, all while spending billions of Canadian taxpayer dollars.

Yours in Conservation, 
Mr. Bill Bosch
BC Wildlife Federation

Copies To:

The Right Honourable Justin Trudeau, Premier of Canada
Mr. Joël Lightbound, Louis-Hébert, MP, Parliamentary Secretary of the Minister of Public Safety & Emergency Preparedness
Mr. Rob Stewart, Deputy Minister of Public Safety Canda
Mr. Pierre Paul-Hus, MP, Charlesbourg-Haute-Saint-Charles, Standing Committee on Public Safety & National Security
Mr. Glen Motz, MP, Medicine Hat-Cardston-Warner, Standing Committee on Public Safety & National Security
Mr. Bob Zimmer, MP, Prince George-Peace River-Northern Rockies, Standing Committee on Indigenous & Northern Affairs
The Honourable John Horgan, Premier of British Columbia
The Honourable Mike Farnworth, MLA, Minister of Public Safety & Solicitor General of the Province of BC
Executive Committee & Board of Directors of the BC Wildlife Federation
Gary Mauser, Firearms Committee Chair, BC Wildlife Federation
Doug Bancroft, Recreational Sports Shooting Committee Chair, BC Wildlife Federation
Alberta Fish & Game Association
Manitoba Wildlife Federation
New Brunswick Wildlife Federation
Northwest Territories Wildlife Federation
Nova Scotia Federation of Anglers & Hunters
Nunavut Wildlife Management Board
Ontario Federation of Anglers & Hunters
Saskatchewan Wildlife Federation
Yukon Fish & Game Association
Canadian Coalition for Firearms Rights
National Firearms Association
Canadian Shooting Sports Association


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Seemed clear at the time where it would head is heading, however things are being revealed.

Trudeau’s latest scandal is very problematic

By Anthony Furey
June 25, 2022


The Trudeau government is alleged to have attempted to politically interfere in the RCMP’s investigation of the Nova Scotia mass shooting.

Notes by RCMP officers responding to the shooting claim Commissioner Brenda Lucki made a promise to Liberal Public Safety Minister Bill Blair and the Prime Minister’s Office to use the mass shooting towards implementing Trudeau’s gun control agenda.

Anthony Furey explains why Trudeau’s latest scandal is very problematic.

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