Meet Your Ancestors, the Psychopaths

[oldgit tom]

Yo!

being new to SOTT, only just come across ‘Official Culture in America: A Natural State of Psychopathy?’ Laura Knight-Jadczyk. July 30, 2003. There is too much that I agree with to list: admirable stuff.

Likewise, ‘The Secret History of The World: Discover the Secret History of the World - and how to get out alive!’, by Laura Knight-Jadczyk.
I haven’t read this, & can’t afford to buy it. But I conjecture it parallels certain of the content or aims of an e-book I have cobbled (THE ARISTOCRATIC MAFIA (AM): All the History You Need to Save Our Future). I can’t think & write to compete with LKJ, but I do raise issues & viewpoints that I think are new.

Great minds think alike? No: more, amateurs keep inventing the wheel. At least, I claim my theoretical hubcaps are novel.

Like, psychopathy in politics & history; I characterize our present psychopath powerbenders as the ‘aristocratic mafia’, & trace their predecessors back (broad-brush history) to our nomad ancestors. ‘Nomads’!? What’s the connection?

Science comes to the rescue (hope). Genetics researches powerfully suggest the ancestors of MODERN humankind trekked out of Africa around 70,000 years ago, then spread to almost every kind of terrestrial habitat. It is mind-boggling that Polynesians began as Caucasian seafarers in China, some 11,000 years ago, sailed to the Americas, then the Pacific islands.

From this, what I hope is sound science, we can deduce our genes are powerfully influenced by these original, almost ‘insanely reckless gamblers’. In turn, rejecting Dawkins’ Darwinian fundamentalism – that survival is thru the individual & that human behaviour is fundamentally targeted on survival. No; rather our human ‘success’ in dominating the earth is/was driven by aggression. Like a viral disease, we invade, conquer & use habitats ruthlessly. We turn them into more human beings. We do not ‘adapt’, we bend nature to this end.

We are incorrigle ‘ramblers & gamblers’. Consider those ‘Polynesians’ who launched onto vast oceans with their friends & families. Even if the Atlantic in the Ice Age had shrunk, what terrible risks they blindly accepted. It is quite possible the leaders of such expeditions were charismatic psychopaths, incapable of weighing the possibly tragic consequences of the gamble, nor of caring is some or most rafts/boats sank with all aboard.

‘Courageous’ gamblers gave GROUP survival a powerful edge. They might try any fish, fruit or fowl, or strike out in a new direction. If they died, they were lost, but expendable, individual heroes. If they survived, the group had gained invaluable survival information.

All this turned sour when rising human numbers & settled agriculture produced crowded, urban concentrations. The domination drive turned inwards. Enter the great leaders with arbitrary powers to settle internal disputes, defend scarce farmland from scalliwags from the next city or village, or lead raids/wars to steal the same from the neighbours. This phase seeped into our genes, I think. Territorial nationalism is still powerful even in the ‘advanced’ West. It only takes a few headlines to get our modern natives dancing round their metaphorical mud huts.

In the light of the above, the looming final destruction of our earth habitat is not a tragic accident. It is the logical end of our invasive human odyssey.

Pessismism! So we humans are an unstable species, doomed to destroy ourselves by our innate aggression? Not quite, there is hope. We are also enormously more adaptable & psychically plastic than any other species. The means & strategies for survival are in our hands. But enough, maybe you should struggle thru my e-book, for all this & more! At least, it’s free. It aims to get a survival debate & ideas moving in productive directions. If you want it (near 4MB), how do I upload it?

Old git Tom.

 

[Cyre2067]

sorry, im a bit confused by your post. I'm not too sure if there's a thesis or point in there, it kinda seems like a lot of rambling.

if you're interest is the history and sociology of psychopathy and how it's affected us through the ages I can only suggest a dual reading of Controversy of Zion by Douglas Reed and Political Ponerology by Andrew Lobaczewski. Those two books will give you more information in regards to our collective history then 12 years of primary education ever could. Throw in Secret History of the World by LJK and you got yourself a college degree's worth, imho.

 

[oldgit tom]

Dear Cyre2067,

SOTT site variously quotes “-- when a man knows he is to be hanged in a fortnight, it concentrates his mind wonderfully" (Dr. Johnson). This gave me hope those involved here were concentrating on mankind’s approaching calamity. Your post disappointed me.

I’m sorry you did not understand my original post. But is that your fault or mine? You pointed me towards a couple of books. Yet as I already stated, I can’t afford books. I hope you read & understood this, & simply did not lazily dismiss the point. Otherwise, I would buy & read your recommended books.

I’ve read books all my life, got a history of ideas degree, now very concerned about humankind’s shrivelling future, & interested in debating with any intelligent, informed co-thinkers with open minds. My e-book (free, no charge) is modestly offered as a contribution to the debate that is NOT taking place. When it does, it will become a political act.

It’s an index of intelligence: human survival is the central issue today, & informed debate/discussion is a survival tool – an uprated democracy in other words – one of the factors I address.

I’ve read very broadly, concluding that even the most excellent academic gurus are too specialized to prescribe adequate remedies for our threatening Armaggedon. What we must do for future survival is encoded in history, what got us here, in this dangerous state. Psychology/psychopathology is just one (important) facet of that history. But, it connects to politics & economics.

My e-book tries to make connections. So I’m a polymath guru? No, just an amateur who finds the pros severely limited. Their contributions impress, but politics & epistemology connect. The great powerbenders are quite happy as the shiny academic cogs whirl, very few erudite cogs grasping the whole picture - that they are functioning parts of a social machine grinding towards self-destruction. That’s not accidental.

I repeat, as a mere student of history, you have reason to ignore me. On the other hand, you might find aspects of ‘The Aristocratic Mafia’ useful to a survival discussion. But you won’t know unless you read. If not, maybe we’re both wasting our time, & can go back to enjoying the entropy. Old git Tom

 

[nf3]

You pointed me towards a couple of books. Yet as I already stated, I can’t afford books.

The Controversy of Zion available for free as a pdf if you google it. It should keep you busy for a while if you are sincere.

I hope you read & understood this, & simply did not lazily dismiss the point.

Well, you did kind of dismiss Cyre's point by not even bothering to look for the books.

It’s an index of intelligence: human survival is the central issue today, & informed debate/discussion is a survival tool

Agreed. But are you informed? I doubt anyone here has time to read your book to find out. If you could write us a synopsis that provides the basics then maybe we could discuss it.

Psychology/psychopathology is just one (important) facet of that history. But, it connects to politics & economics.

Yes, Political Ponerology

If not, maybe we’re both wasting our time, & can go back to enjoying the entropy. Old git Tom

If that is what you were doing and wish to return to, then you are welcome to it. If not, please share with us. You have already received quite a lot from this end.

 

[oldgit tom]

Dear nf3,

thanks for the pointers to your free download info. No-one told me it was available. I'll read, believe me. In earlier years I read some psycho-history. Jaynes was very impressive, much was not.

'Enjoy the entropy' , "If that is what you were doing and wish to return to, then you are welcome to it." Alas, you ignore the 4MB I have produced against the dying of the light.

"If not, please share with us." That's what I'm trying to do. So get my e-book, & give it to someone with functioning synapses for a quick skim. Perceived as useful or crap, we might begin to share.

"You have already received quite a lot from this end." I grovel in gratitude. But yes, I acknowledged your site & its values in my original post. It's good stuff, & as such I know it is produced by unpaid, stressed volunteers. So, cheerio & good luck till I've read your freebies. Old git Tom

 

[oldgit tom]

Dear SOTT,

I read the first 5 chapters of Reed’s ‘Controversy of Zion’. No point reading any further.

No-one can read everything, so one of the first exercises in critical gymnastics is learning the difference between grit & sugar - fast. Reed’s brew is gritty. I wish I could write as clearly as him, but we can skip the minor gaffes & cut straight to the major issue, which is:-

If the twisted precepts of Zionism are the cause of humankind’s tribulations after 500BC, how do we explain the remarkably similar ones before? Reed suggests we lay the blame on primitive, tribal fanaticism (Levites & similar). So what was the prior cause of this murderous intolerance? If ‘original man’ was made this way, why, how so? These are hardly survival traits.

Jaynes had a partial answer (The Origins of Consciousness & the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind. Houghton Mifflin. 1976). I have tried to follow Jaynes’ lead. Reed had no clue, apparently, because he didn’t experience the last 50 years of scholarship advances.

Human psychological flaws are deep. Proof? They appeared early & have persisted throughout our history – what Gibbon described as the dismal chronicle of crimes, follies & misfortunes.

Without much hope, I proffer the alternative ‘nomad hypothesis’ (The Aristocratic Mafia). Our base human traits appeared in our primal treks, & were turned murderously negative by our enforced life in large (over-populated), settled communities. Prehistory (by definition) leaves little information. Yet, limited evidence of archaeology indicates war & violence came along with crops & herds.

If Reed’s is one of your foundation statements, you are off track. I really regret this, since you seem to be on the ball in other directions.

There are indeed pernicious conspiracies at work. But ULTIMATELY, the fault is not in some ‘other’, not in some Jewish or Zionist plot, nor in capitalism or communism. It is in our Janus selves. Good luck, Old git Tom.

 

[Ryan]

Hi Tom,

If you have not read "Political Ponerology", then I suggest you do so as it will place Reed's work in a better context. The point is not about a "Jewish" conspiracy, but rather that the Jewish religion has been refined and developed by psychopaths over the centuries to serve as a suitable ideology for instituting a "World Revolution", at which point the globalist pathocracy intends to place "normal people" firmly under their boots. Psychopaths wish to create a "different world" in which their deviant mentality can be openly practised without incurring any repercussions (like the wrath of "normals" banding together in a REAL revolution).

Of course, it is not just the Jewish religion that serves as an appropriate ideology - the Christian Evangelist movement in the US is also an example of an equally ponerized ideological structure. Ultimately though, these are just means with which the life force of normal people can be used to perpetrate the pathocratic agenda. The true 'conspirators' in the shadows worship no religion but that of power.

You seem to have invested a good deal of time and effort in your theories, so I can understand your perspective. But if you're unable to consider they might be completely wrong, you would probably find other forums to be more comfortable.

Best wishes.

 

[domi]

If the twisted precepts of Zionism are the cause of humankind’s tribulations after 500BC, how do we explain the remarkably similar ones before?

William Bramley in "Gods of Eden" shows the red thread through history of an organization that has been operational for over 6000 years (he calls it the Brotherhood of the Serpent). These guys have had their fingers in many a revolution in the 1800's and 1900's.

Ryan: You're hitting the nail on the head and you put it very eloquently.

 

[oldgit tom]

Domivr:
'Gods of Eden' - well, it's another volume I won't be tossing into my conceptual white Caddy yet. Where I live, (foreign) books are horrendously expensive & Amazon transactions subject to the unpredictable exactions of the local customs, & credit card details theft.

But briefly, there is little hard evidence on prehistory, but a lot of speculation. Like a Chnese meal, the results thereof are often delightful, but then leave you hungry for facts. As the philosopher Bertrandf Russell wrote, "The worse a philosopher's logic, the more interesting his conslusions". But the guy has a sense of humour. He also knew perfectly well that only basic maths has reliable logic. So, 1+1 = 2 is irrefutable, but could only interest an idiot.

Like, I downloaded a video by a bright but misguided guy (Tom something?) who attempted to trace the ongoing (criminal) political setup of the West back to a secret Babylonian source. His skimpy base material was little more than architecture - motifs & emblems. That something 'like' them occurs in modern US cities like Washington 'proves' little.

Misguided 'Tom' was unaware (apparently) that remarkably, the pattern for many later architectural embellishments & heraldic beasts was set by the even earlier & more obscure Sumerians.

The best test of a 'conspiracy theory' (yes, loaded term) is consistency. Does it explain the KNOWN facts & events. Then, is there a simpler explanation (Occam's Razor). So, the more history you know, the better equipped you are to judge. And for sure, no-one knows enough, so keep the mind open.

As another example, a recent TV 'sensation' occused the Jesuit Order of conspiring to pervert the course of world history. Perhaps, but maybe as the best educated of catholic scholars, they tended to land the plum power jobs in government? This view might have mollified Knudsen's 'sensational' uncovering of a communist-zionist power linkage. Like, Jews tended to be the only educated Russians who could read & understand the bulky & dense 'Das Kapital'. Then of course, he MIGHT have something.

A real hidden shaper of history is communications. The internet is shaking established hierarchies. Information is power. When info begins to flow faster, empires start to fall. Notice the stock market recently? Have you sensed the increasingly geriatric decline of the West ? Printing revolutionized our world (all in The Aristocratic Mafia). Of course, the book/text still has a powerful role.

And, in contradiction to the above - apparent hard-nosed empiricism: curiously, it is those who are familiar with the esoteric & occult who are best placed to understand what is happening today. Electronic cyberspace is an invisible force-field that is distorting & destroying the old power structures, because these are based on material assets. Those 'solid' assets are increasingly being transmuted into packets of bytes circulating cyberspace - knowledge & information - pure alchemy, eh? Mercury & Athena never went far away!

The difficult task is to give it a push, but ensure we are not underneath when the Old Order collapses. I hope that is why we are both 'here'.


Ryan:
sorry, of course I noted SOTT's tempered distinction between Judaism & Zionism. You haven't read my stuff, I haven't read 'ponerology' - we are like speaker & audience when the PA breaks. So I'll be off to Google up what I can find on ponerology & get back. I would plug my 'Aristocratic Mafia' more heartily, but Tolstoy I aint, & it has a lot of dense stuff - a hard read - so I have no idea what you might gain by it (subtle, negative sell; Are You Smart Enough for X? - only jesting).

Thanks all, & may The Force on our side this time. Old git Tom

 

[Beau]

Domivr:
'Gods of Eden' - well, it's another volume I won't be tossing into my conceptual white Caddy yet. Where I live, (foreign) books are horrendously expensive & Amazon transactions subject to the unpredictable exactions of the local customs, & credit card details theft.

But briefly, there is little hard evidence on prehistory, but a lot of speculation.

Actually, Bramley is quite good with not speculating. To describe what caused the beginnings of control by our "ancestors", he studies the ancient Sumerian tablets and recounts how our "Custodial Gods" (really our hyperdimensional 4D buddies) established Earth as a slave planet. I have the book in front of me as we speak since I am reading it right now and the price on the back cover is $7 US. You can order via Amazon for not much more than that - Gods of Eden. I would very much recommend this book if you are looking for more than speculation.

 

[oldgit tom]

Yo everybody, & sorry this is a long one (hey, not a bad intro line!).

First, a note for conspiracy-watchers. Hollywood actor Steven Seagal appeared in the movie ‘Above the Law’ (1988). He portrayed a tough guy fighting CIA/government corruption. The credits at the end contained a warning, to the effect, ‘Altho this film was fiction, - - - beware -- - in real life’. The newspapers report, Seagal now accuses the FBI of ruining his career. Any connection?

To business: SOTT contributors pointed me towards two books – Reed’s ‘Controversy of Zion’ & ‘Political Ponerology’ by Andrew Lobaczewski. Thanks, I’ve read chunks of both. Reed did not impress. Lobaczewski did, very much, altho I think his diagnosis of the etiology of history’s ills is wrong.

But, he both impressed & humbled me. Heroic to have finished so much ‘in the belly of the beast’. I seem to have followed his thinking. He was there first, & doubtless his spotlight on ‘ponerogenic characteropathy’ has increased the wider awareness of psychopathy, so that light filtered even into my brain, somewhere in the past.

And positively, his work will doubtless inform & enhance clinical psychology radically. But I fear the theory is not a tool powerful enough to fix mankind’s present self-destruct mania. Infantile brain or mind damage may well be the start of the individual pathocrat (what I call an aristocratic mafioso). It does not obviously account for that 1-3% (or more?) of the population, & millennia of abusive rulers, wars & massacres.

Let us go back (as Discovery sonorously says) to where it all began, around 70,000 years ago. A group of homo sapiens began walking out of Africa – our ancestors. They were nomads, but heroic nomads. They did not stop until they had colonized & dominated almost every habitat on the.

They took to unknown seas & oceans (boats or rafts). Genetics research tells us that 11,000 years ago, Polynesians sailed from China to the west coast of America, then onto the Pacific islands. They were Caucasian.

Rarely for prehistory, this is hard evidence. That evidence is so astounding, it is still permeating, still being digested by our society. If we have enough time left, maybe academics at the Phd mill will tell us what it all means. Meantime, amateurs with a sense of impending doom must speculate more urgently.

If that’s the stock we all come from, what can we deduce from the evidence, what clues about our genetic makeup that might tell us what’s wrong with us? Well, patently, our ancestors were ramblers, restless, always itchy for the new. Secondly, they were gamblers, compulsive gamblers, even with death as stakes. How so?

Who except the most foolhardy risk-addicts would take to vast unknown oceans, with unknown destinations? And take family & followers? We can postulate the leader/pathocrat would be the Pied Piper. The primal pathocracy was the manner & drive of the trek over lands & seas. Pathocracy led us to every territory, & when there were no more territories to be conquered, we fell to fighting one-another – human history.

Psychology traditionally postulates some normative state, perhaps a conceptual disciplinary necessity (can’t remember, I did my minimal psi years ago). I’ve never been happy with this notion, perhaps why (better) historians also fight shy of ‘psychologistic’ theories.

Lobaczewski’s descriptions of the varieties of psychopaths seem to fit most of my friends, family & enemies. I’m not happy about the dog, either. Natch, I’m normal, middleclass, not young, but gifted & puce.

Psychopathy, I suspect, cannot be treated because it is not a ‘pathology’, it is innate. So if you could remove ALL traces of psychopathy from the patient’s psyche, you would be left with the psi equivalent of a gutted & boned bloater on a slab. I.e., we are genetically programmed to produce a percentage of ‘monsters’ in every X offspring. Why, if the social effects are so negative, so destructive?

Because the resulting risk-addiction & aggression were once highly effective GROUP survival traits. Induced, internal fights & disputes in our nomad groups were positives, once. The group would split, separate, & spread anew – indeed like a virus.

I have conflated gambling/chronic risk-taking with aggression, you note? Take a war, say Iraq. The troops of Emperor Bush II run into stiff opposition. As in poker, he must ‘put up or shut up’. So he pours in more money & troops. The enemy does the same. Gambler-pathocrat man just keeps on playing & upping. He will always tend to up the stakes until he is ruined, in this war or the next. But he knows he can send us the bill.

Does this make him a loser (like Kaiser Willhelm II of Germany in WWI, mentioned by Lobaczewski)? In a larger sense, not at all. For the pathological gambler, the danger/risk of losing is the allure, not winning. ‘Born warriors’ seek out conflicts in peacetime. Sooner or later, they get a bullet, or a rope. Ergo, our psychopath-pathocrats are programmed for inevitable disaster. Because, the disasters of the original pathocrats were the road we (groupies) trod. Their genes are in us all. That is why getting rid of them now is so vital (there are political & economic dimensions omitted here, which the gagging-for-more reader can find in the e-book).

Our human co-operation skills mask & complement the aggression. They are our two human faces – the Janus the ancients knew. See the ‘Band of Brothers’ go into battle. Is there a finer example of smooth, skillful human co-operation & bonding than in warfare? Connect risk-danger-fighting-gambling. The screen hero throws himself against ‘impossible odds’. He’s an idiot, I the coward cry, but the audience loves him. Why the heck else is it ‘glamorous’ to stand next to a Sheik & try to throw away money to the casino faster than he does?

More prosaically,
“Millions trek to Las Vegas to lose their money, rationally aware of arithmetical inevitabilities. Psychologically beguiling is the cowboy, frontier ambience – gambling plus rambling.
The town itself is a brazen assault on the environment. Water is sucked in from arid desert farms to sprinkle lawns. Millions of lights blaze as if power generation had no long-term cost of pollution. Vegas, the braying jackass ‘capstan’ winds the punters in. They deposit their hard-earned rolls in joints whose lavish appointments suggest carelessly, extravagantly strewn rewards. The mugs know the odds, yet still flood in.” (The Aristocratic Mafia – author’s name blushingly omitted).

For the numbers of people involved, gambling is the USA’s largest business. Another big one is tourism. Ever wonder at the deep attraction of travel, why it connotes enjoyment & romance? Hint - trapped nomads.

So much for diagnostics. What about treatment? Maybe next time, if my public begs me nicely. Just, psychology may have a publicity-cum-prophylactic role, but for the entrenched stratum of compulsive powerbenders, we must surely look to new approaches in the social-political sphere.

Ed’s. note: Who’s this bum – narcissism, combative prose, delusions of grandeur, cheap cracks, could he be ONE?

Ah well, as the alkie vicar said eyeing the malt whiskey, ‘Maybe just a little’.

Good luck, Old git Tom