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vinny
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mra, I would say you've got a LOT of reading ahead of you! the more detailed 4th way stuff by Gurdjieff, Ouspensky, and particularly Mouravieff ('Gnosis' vols i - iii) goes into some depth about the workings of the body/spirit and the various energies and dynamics going on there. but this is NOT light reading!
recommended: 'In Search of the Miraculous' by P D Ouspensky. It is a fantastic start into Gurdgieff's work. takes some significant time to absorb though - there are levels that can only seem to be 'got' a bit at a time.
also: seriously don't bother with the C's raw transcripts at this stage, MUCH better to read 'The Wave' instead, (followed by 'Adventures with Cassiopaea'), it puts in all the context which would otherwise be missed.
recommended: 'In Search of the Miraculous' by P D Ouspensky. It is a fantastic start into Gurdgieff's work. takes some significant time to absorb though - there are levels that can only seem to be 'got' a bit at a time.
also: seriously don't bother with the C's raw transcripts at this stage, MUCH better to read 'The Wave' instead, (followed by 'Adventures with Cassiopaea'), it puts in all the context which would otherwise be missed.
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Thanks for your answer Miles, please consider my previous post as a clumsy way of welcoming you to the forum 
You might want to check out this thread for a list of books that will keep you busy for some time.
You might want to check out this thread for a list of books that will keep you busy for some time.
Alada
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I'd agree with Vinny, reading transcripts after reading The Wave might be more fruitful. I've mis-understood whole chunks in the past, not having the proper context to hand or forgetting how the Cs will sometimes frame responses, given particular circumstances/expectations/issues of free will, it could save a whole bunch of time to read them a little later.sleepyvinny said:
The Wave might be the place to start, its a long series but well worth it and quite a 'page turner'! There's plenty of transcript excerpts in there too.
As an introduction to 4th Way ideas P.D. Ouspensky's 'The Psychology of Man's Possible Evolution' is very helpful. Its only a little book, taken from a series of introductory lectures he gave. Might be better as an intro than going straight for 'In Search of the Miraculous' which I think was written with an audience in mind that already had some understanding if the ideas. So O's little introduction might help bridge the gap first.
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I read the Wave first when I came across it about 5-6 years ago. I then read everything I could that Laura wrote, then read the Adventure series basically while it was being written. It was only later that I was able to read the transcripts of the Cass sessions. I have to say that the raw transcripts would have been confusing and perhaps somewhat dull if I did not have the pre-received info to put all the information into context.
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Miles, this post:
http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=6330
.. is but one example why reading the Wave/Adventure first for context is important. You could literally interpret the answers the C's provide as the opposite of what they really mean, which could give you "false knowledge". And as the C's said, false knowledge is worse than no knowledge at all.
http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=6330
.. is but one example why reading the Wave/Adventure first for context is important. You could literally interpret the answers the C's provide as the opposite of what they really mean, which could give you "false knowledge". And as the C's said, false knowledge is worse than no knowledge at all.
JGeropoulas
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I think a good overview, in a simple narrative form, is Bringers of the Dawn by Barbara Marciniak. The information in this book is congruent with the C's material (and affirmed by them in the transcripts). My take on a comparison between Marciniak's material and Laura's is each reflects the particular perspective of the channeler's particular questions/yearnings for truth.Mra said:
When Laura asked the C's why they were telling her all this information, they replied, "Because you asked." It seems that Laura's particular curiosity lead to material focused on STS-dominated, past/near-future events (the long-overdue, much-needed "knowledge of...evil").
In comparison, Marciniak's material seems to be focused on events a little further into an STO-dominated future (e.g. "the knowledge of good...").
That's a huge over-generalization (for which, hopefully each author will forgive me ;)), but I hope that's helpful.
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Don't confuse false knowledge with false information though. I'm not talking about reading lies and nonsense, I'm talking about drawing false conclusions, having false understanding - false knowledge. But of course it is up to you, but if for example the C's sound like they recommend a book but in reality the context of the question is the opposite - that they do NOT recommend it, then you may end up reading it thinking it is recommended, and wasting time doing what you would not have done had you interpreted the statement correctly. To avoid such misunderstandings, or running into what seem like contradictions when they're really not if you understand the context and what is really being said, it does help to know the context.
I think it's similar as reading the Bible for example. If you understand the esoteric context, you interpret the statements one way. If you do not, you interpret them in a completely opposite way. Both interpretations are logically correct based on what is said, so you won't have any indication that you interpreted it wrong. But only one interpretation is correct with respect to what was truly meant and its correlation to objective reality - only the interpretation that understands the context in which the statement is made. So in the Bible that would mean the parts that use spiritual descriptions to talk about physical things, and talking about what sounds like the physical world but in reality it is an analogy to something spiritual that has nothing to do with actual events. Logically you can read what sounds like a physical description and it would make sense to interpret it as such, there would be nothing logically wrong with this interpretation. But if you understand the context, you'd know that it's false, that it's something else entirely. Similarly, alchemical texts are big on not making the distinction between physical and not physical things, and so all those thousands of researchers studying alchemy and thinking it's all about mixing chemicals and transmuting them into gold are wayyy off the mark in reality, even though logically that's what it sounds like the alchemical texts are saying.
And yeah, all the questions you just asked are completely answered by Wave/Adventure :)
I think it's similar as reading the Bible for example. If you understand the esoteric context, you interpret the statements one way. If you do not, you interpret them in a completely opposite way. Both interpretations are logically correct based on what is said, so you won't have any indication that you interpreted it wrong. But only one interpretation is correct with respect to what was truly meant and its correlation to objective reality - only the interpretation that understands the context in which the statement is made. So in the Bible that would mean the parts that use spiritual descriptions to talk about physical things, and talking about what sounds like the physical world but in reality it is an analogy to something spiritual that has nothing to do with actual events. Logically you can read what sounds like a physical description and it would make sense to interpret it as such, there would be nothing logically wrong with this interpretation. But if you understand the context, you'd know that it's false, that it's something else entirely. Similarly, alchemical texts are big on not making the distinction between physical and not physical things, and so all those thousands of researchers studying alchemy and thinking it's all about mixing chemicals and transmuting them into gold are wayyy off the mark in reality, even though logically that's what it sounds like the alchemical texts are saying.
And yeah, all the questions you just asked are completely answered by Wave/Adventure :)
