Mushrooms containing Psilocybin

[FrankM4326754]

Yesterday during my morning commute to work I listened to a TED (Technology, Engineering, Design) talk found here for those who want to watch and listen: https://youtu.be/bIEkqH70C-M. Listening to TED talks or authors talking about various subjects is my usual routine as I don’t like to listen to the music on the radio often and would rather learn a tid bit of something new on a myriad of topics.

I don’t like to always set an agenda for what I’m going to listen too so I’ll select something at random and let it play which is what happened here. I’ve never heard of microdosing, mushrooms containing Psilocybin or their effects. To summarize the talk in a sentence, it involves a perception that Psilocybin can help individuals reduce anxiety if taken in microdose amounts and it’s effects are perceived to be positive.

Now this talk for me seemed to be the entrance to a rabbit hole that I decided to go down. Before I knew it I was onto material shared by an individual named Kilindi Ily. Video/material here: https://youtu.be/N4eMCc8VdgE.

This man has some very interesting information surrounding how the mushroom is depicted in many areas across the world in art and literature.

Examples are shown in a slide show that he presents of pictures highlighting the use of mushrooms in Egypt (A circle within a circle; the outer circle being the cap of the mushroom and the inner circle being the stem shown in hieroglyphics), India considering the cow to be sacred because mushrooms containing psilocybin grow from their dung, architecture in Europe that shows the arch as the mushroom cap and the stem typically being the door way, shamans taking mushrooms with psilocybin during their rituals, Easter island statues showing their foreheads as the cap of the mushroom and nose as the stem... etc. I have to say that for me personally I found this all to be intriguing.

I should also say that Kilindi Ily got into the study of mushrooms and Psilocybin through his martial arts study. He claims that all of the martial art forms he has become an expert in have the introduction of mushrooms at when you reach certain levels and it’s serves a purpose for furthering the training.

Ultimately, the majority of individuals that have consumed mushrooms containing psilocybin have claimed the experience to be a spiritually beneficial one and in their experience they lose their perception of self temporarily and become more attuned to the singularity of everyone being part of the whole. All of life having a connection to the source or God principle and the experiences being recorded in the Akashic records.

Are we able to ask the C’s if Kilindi Ily’s material is accurate or false? Would people in the world benefit spiritually from consuming mushrooms containing Psilocybin in a controlled/safe environment?

Thoughts?

 

[aimarok]

As far as I understand psilocybin has similar effect as LSD. You might consider this piece of session of 23/10/1999:

A: Several comments: First of all, "fan" is short for "fanatic." Secondly, melatonin does not force an alteration in physiological brain chemicals, as do mescaline, peyote, LSD, etc. Accessing the higher levels of psychical awareness through such processes is harmful to the balance levels of the prime chakra. This is because it alters the natural rhythms of psychic development by causing reliance on the part of the subject, thus subjugating the learning process. It is a form of self-imposed abridging of free will. Melatonin simply allows the system to clear obstructions in the brain chemistry naturally, thereby allowing the subject to continue to learn at a natural pace. And, it is by no means unimportant that melatonin is a natural body hormone. The other substances mentioned are, at least in part, synthetic, with the exception of peyote. But even that is not a natural ingredient of the human physiological being. And besides, we have already discussed the importance, or lack thereof, of those who pass judgment upon this exercise, or communication.

 

[Divide by Zero]

The C's mentioned that melatonin is a mild hallucinogen which helps, and is natural to our own processes. Perhaps the microdosing you read about enhances that effect? First 2 sessions where they mention melatonin as beneficial..

Session 28 Oct 1994 https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,28370.msg353138.html#msg353138

Q: (L) Why should we take the Melatonin?

A: Is mild hallucinogen.

Q: (L) Why do we need this?

A: Keeps exercising psychic abilities and opens paths. Don't be alarmed by vividly erotic dreams.

Session 23 Oct 1999 https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,25696.msg305782.html#msg305782

Q: I want to you have lost a fan because he was not happy with what he considered to be "internal inconsistencies" in that you were NOT favorably disposed toward hallucinations produced by substances such as Mescaline and Ayahuasca, but yet you recommend Melatonin because it is a hallucinogen. Then, you said that spiritual powers could not be obtained through chemicals or plant type means, but then said that Melatonin exercises psychic abilities. Could you comment on this?

A: Several comments: First of all, "fan" is short for "fanatic." Secondly, melatonin does not force an alteration in physiological brain chemicals, as do mescaline, peyote, LSD, etc. Accessing the higher levels of psychical awareness through such processes is harmful to the balance levels of the prime chakra. This is because it alters the natural rhythms of psychic development by causing reliance on the part of the subject, thus subjugating the learning process. It is a form of self-imposed abridging of free will. Melatonin simply allows the system to clear obstructions in the brain chemistry naturally, thereby allowing the subject to continue to learn at a natural pace. And, it is by no means unimportant that melatonin is a natural body hormone. The other substances mentioned are, at least in part, synthetic, with the exception of peyote. But even that is not a natural ingredient of the human physiological being. And besides, we have already discussed the importance, or lack thereof, of those who pass judgment upon this exercise, or communication.

There were quite a few articles on sott.net that spoke about hallucinogens used in therapeutic ways.
https://www.sott.net/article/364529-Study-suggests-magic-mushrooms-may-reset-depressed-patients-brains
https://www.sott.net/article/361691-New-study-shows-that-magic-mushrooms-or-psilocybin-greatly-relieves-anxiety-and-depression-in-cancer-patients
https://www.sott.net/article/278937-Magic-mushrooms-How-they-affect-the-brains-emotion-centers
https://www.sott.net/article/288583-Magic-mushrooms-create-a-hyperconnected-brain-and-might-offer-a-new-treatment-for-depression
https://www.sott.net/article/235573-Magic-Mushrooms-May-Permanently-Alter-Personality
https://www.sott.net/article/281330-Magic-mushrooms-put-brain-in-a-waking-dream-state

The last one is interesting, as melatonin is what our brains use to sleep and dream. But, waking dream, sounds a bit dangerous if someone expects to see certain things. I would think that would be like a feedback loop, your mind wants to see something and the subconscious dreams it up for you to see.
In John Keel's books, he mentions a clear liquid that is given to abductees by aliens/etc that open them up to the other realm.
So there is a big danger of this, probably high doses make the brain temporarily lose it's normal connections that are necessary for 3D objectivity??


In other C's sessions, we see the danger of opening that doorway- as it seems to bring out wishful thinking, seeing what one expects to see.

Session 7 Nov 1994 https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,28375.msg353143.html#msg353143

Q: (L) Carlos Casteneda writes about the peyote beings called "Mescalitos." This being supposedly is part of the peyote plant, a sort of being from the plant. Is this true?

A: No.

Q: (L) What beings does one encounter when one eats a bunch of peyote?

A: Hallucination.

Q: (L) Why are these hallucinations so consistent?

A: Because those that do have that expectation. If you ate enough peyote you would encounter Santa Claus if that was your expectation. (Much laughter)

Danger of expectation and beliefs, like Casteneda convinced in "Mescalitos" existing.
The Kilindi Iyi video also talks about other things that show up. The problem is that just because other people see it does not make them real, it's from expectation and possibly also how the brain interprets certain signals.

Session 14 Jan 1995 https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,25894.msg308388.html#msg308388

A: In 4th, you can "see" sounds and "hear" colors, for example.

Q: (L) Is this, now you guys just calm down when I ask this question... (F) I know what you are going to ask... (L) No remarks, okay? Many years ago when I was a child of the 60's and 70's, I tried some LSD. (T) I know exactly what you are going to ask, yeah, because I've seen it too! (J) Yes. (L) In a major way! Geometric patterns and colors manifested with music. (T) Yes! (L) Is this what we are talking about here?

A: Bingo!

Q: (L) So, in other words...

A: The answer to your next question is yes, you experienced a bleed through of 4th density.

Q: (F) In other words an acid trip is like a glimpse into 4th density. (L) Do you recommend this method for accessing this type of reality.

A: Open.

Q: (T) Well, the problem is that some people would want to do that all the time and not work on doing it in a natural way.

A: Yes.

Q: (T) And other people would use it and abuse it and use it as an excuse. (J) And damage themselves. (L) Yes, it is obviously something that has to be very carefully handled. We can't encourage this.{My experience with it was not extremely pleasant, to put it mildly and I never let anybody talk me into something like that again!} (J) Is that like the concept of adding additional dimensions to the 3 we normally experience?

Here we read the danger of this not happening naturally. If the wave changes our dna, that would be a more natural way of our brains changing than using those hallucinogens which could open one up to a more subjective, temporary window of perception.

 

[Divide by Zero]

The video also reminded me of what native tribes were claiming: that the plant was teaching them things.

That's interesting but another story that I read about such tribes confused me. It took away the glow of how I saw native cultures.

There was a missionary who was in the Amazon learning about tribes there. They had a lot of knowledge through these hallucinogenic plants, not just earthly- but supernatural and so on.

Fine, but these tribes were regularly sending young adults to war with eachother! They were killing each other and the missionary thought of a solution.

He brought a tape recorder to record one side tribal elders to play back to the other elders to negotiate peace. Once this started, the wars which were taking the lives of each tribe slowed down and stopped.

Here's my rub: Why would tribes that had this supernatural knowledge and communication through plants not be able to communicate with their neighbors to keep the peace??? Isn't that ironic that a missionary who didn't have this "special" knowledge was able to help mediate by a simple tape recorder?

I also recall reading that tribes who lived in harsh conditions, such as the desert were very cooperative.

Contrary to those tribes, the ones who had easier conditions, had the luxury of playing around with plants and rituals- yet they were apt to fight eachother, even within the tribes.

So, whatever claimed by these proponents of hallucinogens seems hipocritical, because in the native tribes despita all of this super-knowledge they are supposed to have, they still act in very harmful ways to eachother. Perhaps it just amplifies their wishful thinking of being "special", or the knowledge that they are accessing is not really universal, but only an amplification of their own subconscious minds?

 

[Laura]

I think it's an interesting topic and I've put it on the list for next session!

 

[United Gnosis]

From my experience, first having a sudden/temporary flash of enlightnement/6d+ bleedthrough (satori, kundalini awakening, whatever, and i'm not talking about G's "kundabuffer") in 2009 before i had any psychotropic experience, spontaneous activatiion is life-changing and can go way deeper than lsd, peyote, salvia or even dmt/ayahuasca. I experimented with all of those initially because the spontaneous experience induced a passion to explore the unknown map/territory, and have since focused on outer/inner techniques (health dietlifestyle habits prayer meditation and the Work in general) to naturally tend closer to that state without the use of any crutches.

I can see psychotropics being possibly useful in a medical/spiritual sense for specific situations, where an individual is locked into specific patterns of behavior/trauma/personality, and the potential price to the energy system is lower than that of maintaining deeply disfunctional patterns of being. Informed psychedelic use in proper conditions can be very efficient to break down personality patterns that have crystallized around dubious foundations, letting a new openness to a quest for Truth shine through. In such a specific case it is possible the use of psychedelics might be worthwhile as an initial boost, but the Work still remains to be done afterwards. Maybe more work than if the energy/belief system wasn't broken down in the first place, but at least the Work can begin...

 

[BHelmet]

The notion of psychedelic use in a safe and controlled environment hits my funny bone a bit.

My euphemism bone. Perhaps like those ubiquitous pharmaceutical company adds with the quickly mumbled side effects at the end.

You can control the externals and have good people around you but the inner environment? That's where the action is. And that can't be controlled. That is where the user is immersed in their own psychic landscape (I was going to say "swamp") along with the greater psychic landscape in general. To a greater or lesser extent, psychedelics break down inner mental structures; the personality. That can be a good and useful thing but it is a big 2-way street. (8 lane undivided highway?) Color me skeptical. The 4d STS CIA didn't promote and distribute psychedelics for the benefit of humanity.

As for mushrooms - yeah a different story, I suppose. I wonder if there is a genetic DNA connection: from generational usage. That it's different for some Euro descended person to "dive in" versus a native american whose ancestors had been doing this all along and, perhaps, adapted to it in some way?

 

[FrankM4326754]

Thanks all!

The most intriguing part to the history of Mushrooms containing hallucinogenic compounds - mainly Psilocybin to me is how much art is found across the globe that resembles the mushroom. There’s almost a sort of bleedthrough with some works and these works are not necessarily in a form of art you may expect.

For example consider the classic video game Mario and how you would start as a small Mario character and “power up” or grow after eating a mushroom and he typically only was able to get access to a mushroom by hitting his head on bricks with question marks. Possible metaphor for eating a mushroom and then contemplate all the questions in your head as you experience a hallucination? Mario has been one of the most popular games of all time, maybe there’s significance in the items of the game that speaks to us all at a subconscious level? Or maybe it’s just a popular game.


Another bizarre reference while on the topic of Mario is that the game is ran by reptilian creatures(King Koopa and crew). Symbolic to our world? Maybe.

Maybe Mushrooms are significant or maybe it’s all coincidence.

Thanks for including this topic in the next session Laura!

 

[Divide by Zero]

The notion of psychedelic use in a safe and controlled environment hits my funny bone a bit.

My euphemism bone. Perhaps like those ubiquitous pharmaceutical company adds with the quickly mumbled side effects at the end.

You can control the externals and have good people around you but the inner environment? That's where the action is. And that can't be controlled. That is where the user is immersed in their own psychic landscape (I was going to say "swamp") along with the greater psychic landscape in general. To a greater or lesser extent, psychedelics break down inner mental structures; the personality. That can be a good and useful thing but it is a big 2-way street. (8 lane undivided highway?) Color me skeptical. The 4d STS CIA didn't promote and distribute psychedelics for the benefit of humanity.

As for mushrooms - yeah a different story, I suppose. I wonder if there is a genetic DNA connection: from generational usage. That it's different for some Euro descended person to "dive in" versus a native american whose ancestors had been doing this all along and, perhaps, adapted to it in some way?

Perhaps the effects from such are similar to what the C's say about the Wave hitting us which could be a "soul smashing" event for some. If there is no solid I developed, the inner environment is subjective- only amplifying wishful thinking. Maybe for those people, the reality of 4d STS becomes "more real" by their FRV tuning into their beliefs which are taken as fact without further investigation to determine "who sez?"

My previous post mentions a story of the native cultures and the hypocrisy of having this "connection" yet warring/fighting among each other without having an idea of negotiating/communicating with each other. I don't think they were any more advanced because of it. Perhaps they thought/felt that they had a connection to a higher benevolent source, but it was really their own subconscious/unconscious that latched onto what it "believed" was objective.

 

[John G]

Well besides the hallucinogenic and stimulant effects discussed for the soma/haoma of Hinduism/Zoroastrianism, the soma drops and mushroom clouds could have comet symbolism too making soma/haoma the "creator of the gods". It was associated with Indra's Vajra that emitted lightning bolts. Would be interesting to know more about Soma given the Zoroastrianism focus we've had here in recent months. Someone I know online via the recently shut down Amazon forums is really into Soma via people like Hancock (some of us Amazon refugees got back together on a forum that originally was created from refugees from Prodigy forums closing down; Prodigy was my original online home in my disco ball past).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soma_%28drink%29
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Botanical_identity_of_soma%E2%80%93haoma

 

[Maat]

The video also reminded me of what native tribes were claiming: that the plant was teaching them things.

That's interesting but another story that I read about such tribes confused me. It took away the glow of how I saw native cultures.

There was a missionary who was in the Amazon learning about tribes there. They had a lot of knowledge through these hallucinogenic plants, not just earthly- but supernatural and so on.

Fine, but these tribes were regularly sending young adults to war with eachother! They were killing each other and the missionary thought of a solution.

He brought a tape recorder to record one side tribal elders to play back to the other elders to negotiate peace. Once this started, the wars which were taking the lives of each tribe slowed down and stopped.

Here's my rub: Why would tribes that had this supernatural knowledge and communication through plants not be able to communicate with their neighbors to keep the peace??? Isn't that ironic that a missionary who didn't have this "special" knowledge was able to help mediate by a simple tape recorder?

I also recall reading that tribes who lived in harsh conditions, such as the desert were very cooperative.

Contrary to those tribes, the ones who had easier conditions, had the luxury of playing around with plants and rituals- yet they were apt to fight eachother, even within the tribes.

So, whatever claimed by these proponents of hallucinogens seems hipocritical, because in the native tribes despita all of this super-knowledge they are supposed to have, they still act in very harmful ways to eachother. Perhaps it just amplifies their wishful thinking of being "special", or the knowledge that they are accessing is not really universal, but only an amplification of their own subconscious minds?

It seems to me that knowledge in itself doesn't necessary change your orientation of being. I mean, a psychopath can have a ton of knowledge but he will remain a psychopath, and use this knowledge as a psychopath, that is to do evil, not good. Also whatever would be the teaching, it can never exceed the receiver capacity.

 

[biala84]

I tried a mashroom one time, psilocybe :D i think this was good experience in my life. It can really open your mind in a meannning 4D way... I ask a man who sell it, becuase i was half and half to use it and i doubt ,,What's gonna be after when i'm going to eat it''. He told me ,,is gonna be this what You have in your conciousness''. I did it... I was suprised. I saw energy with different kind of colors and i was there like 3 or 4 hours, the music, very different from that we listen on planeth earth. i was deffinetly connected.. I also heard people talking. I found a nice article on sott net about mushroom https://www.sott.net/article/288583-Magic-mushrooms-create-a-hyperconnected-brain-and-might-offer-a-new-treatment-for-depression a

 

[biala84]

That one is also good https://www.sott.net/article/284019-How-Psychedelics-Saved-My-Life

 

[Divide by Zero]

I tried a mashroom one time, psilocybe :D i think this was good experience in my life. It can really open your mind in a meannning 4D way... I ask a man who sell it, becuase i was half and half to use it and i doubt ,,What's gonna be after when i'm going to eat it''. He told me ,,is gonna be this what You have in your conciousness''. I did it... I was suprised. I saw energy with different kind of colors and i was there like 3 or 4 hours, the music, very different from that we listen on planeth earth. i was deffinetly connected.. I also heard people talking. I found a nice article on sott net about mushroom https://www.sott.net/article/288583-Magic-mushrooms-create-a-hyperconnected-brain-and-might-offer-a-new-treatment-for-depression a

So what exactly did this experience give you that you can share with others? All I read here is subjective and it doesn't help me (or others?) to understand what exactly helped you.

 

[FrankM4326754]

Part of my intrigue here is what some of you have brought to light. Most individuals that have tried a psychedelic mushroom containing psilocybin have similar experiences losing sight of oneself and experiencing singularity along with music and detailed vision of patterns. Many also claim that it was a spiritually awakening event for them.

It seems that psilocybin is a natural but user selected way for someone to tap into the higher dimensional realms and potentially cross paths with information that sparks on an idea for the user to then run with it in reality and create something if their execution is properly aligned.

I’m curious to note whether or not our ancestors were able to use this chemical compound found in nature to tap into the secret of building the pyramids found in Egypt as well as in the Aztec. Two very different geographical locations with similar structures. This would imply an assumption that one could actually find this information and bring it back to put it to use but I’m not sure about any of this from the limited surface level view.

Problem is no one can say for sure if this phenomenon has value on a greater level or for the greater good as most recounts of experiences are hard to put into words and the recount itself is subjective likely being effected by the users own subconscious or so I think IMHO.