New Nick Redfern book - Demonic aliens!

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Nick Redfern has a new book, Final Events. Here's the description:

For decades, stories of alien abductions, UFO encounters, Flying Saucer sightings, and Area 51 have led millions of people to believe that extraterrestrials are secretly amongst us. But what if those same millions of people are all wrong? What if the UFO phenomenon has much darker, and far more ominous, origins than the realm of outer-space?

For four years, I have been carefully and quietly investigating the strange and terrifying world of a secret group buried deep within the U.S. Government known as the Collins Elite.

It is the belief of the group that far from being extraterrestrial in origin, our purported alien visitors are, in reality, deceptive demons and fallen-angels; the minions of Satan, who are paving the way for Armageddon, Judgment Day, and the reaping and enslavement of our very souls.

Highlights of FINAL EVENTS include:

A study of secret government files on occultists Aleister Crowley and Jack Parsons, and their links to the UFO mystery.

• Revelations concerning the demonic link to the famous “UFO crash” at Roswell, New Mexico in 1947 – links that, the Collins Elite believe, suggest the Roswell event was a staged, Trojan Horse-style deception.

• An examination of the Collins Elite’s conclusions that there is a satanic agenda behind alien abductions.

• The disclosure of Government investigations into life-after-death and out-of-body experiences.

FINAL EVENTS reveals the stark and horrific conclusions about UFOs from Hell that certain people in the Government don’t want you to know about.
This brought to mind something Laura quoted from Dolan:

By early 1969, teams within the CIA were running a number of bizarre experiments in mind control under the name Operation Often. In addition to the normal assortment of chemists, biologists, and conventional scientists, the operation employed psychics and experts in demonology.
This makes me wonder if the alleged "Collins Elite" is just another arm of COINTELPRO, or if perhaps a group that realized something about the hyperdimensional nature of the "ET threat", and attached a demonological interpretation onto it...
 

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Yep, COINTELPRO! (Cosmic? Conscious? Same difference, in the end):

_http://secretsun.blogspot.com/2010/09/final-events-interview-with-nick.html

Author and journalist Nick Redfern has a new book out called Final Events that's guaranteed to shake people up. It deals with a powerful secret society within the Intelligence community created with the intention of establishing a Christian Reconstructionist surveillance state. For what purpose?

Well... in order to protect America from demonic UFO pilots.

We're seeing a lot of this kind of thinking floating around out there. It may in fact become the dominant view of UFOs, given that Hollywood is preparing a huge slate of UFO invasion films. Is someone trying to tell us something or is this a reaction to the Recession and fears about illegal immigration? Or is there a plan to fake some kind of devastating alien invasion in order to unite the world around a common enemy?

I interviewed Nick to get the scoop...

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Tell us about your book. What's the basic premise?

Basically speaking, Final Events is a study of a think-tank group comprised of personnel from within the U.S. Government, military and intelligence community that has existed in stealth for a surprisingly long time. The group believes that while the UFO issue is a very real one, they do not believe it has anything to do with literal extraterrestrials.

Rather, the group - which calls itself the Collins Elite - concludes that the "aliens" are, in reality, literal demonic entities that are trying to seduce us with a false lure of supposed alien technology, and to - quite literally - steal and farm our souls. The group claim to have discovered evidence that these demonic entities - that seem to utilize a weird combination of advanced technology and archaic rite and ritual - derive a form of "energy sustenance" from the human soul or life force.

In other words, they don't want to land on the White House lawn and help us, nor do they want to destroy us. Rather, they want to maintain the herd, and upon our physical deaths, extract the human life-force as sustenance. The Collins Elite believes this has been going on since the dawning of civilization and that the ET motif is the latest in a long line of deceptive images they have used, and that in the past have included gods, angels, Jinns, fairies, goblins, etc etc.

Since we're talking "demons" here is it safe to assume these are Christians?

Yes, they are all Christians, or became Christians after they came to accept the theory. As for their positions, we're largely talking about people in the Intelligence community - and a lot from the DIA in particular - and also Air Force Intelligence. There are a few of the older, original members left, but today, they have allegedly placed their research on-hold, due to a belief that a final battle between good and evil is drawing near, and that the UFO presence will be finally be revealed for what they believe it to be.

The most ominous thing is that there appear to be some people attached to the group who believe that to save the US from what they perceive as a Satanic threat, the US should be placed under a near-martial law situation with the nation ruled by an iron-fist that adheres to Old Testament style teachings and beliefs. I expand greatly on all this in the book.

How did they think they could fight these demons?

Their belief is that deep belief in, and acceptance of, the Christian God can literally keep the demons at bay. This is why some of the group have contemplated what should be unthinkable: forcefully changing the entire U.S. mindset to that of an Old Testament nature, as part of what I personally conclude is a misguided plan on their part to try and save our souls.

Did these people have any contact with people like John Todd or did they figure this out on their own?

They appear to have come to their conclusions in a number of ways, such as personal/group research; consulting old religious texts; drawing parallels between UFO encounters and other paranormal encounters; and clandestinely interviewing UFO witnesses very occasionally.

Can you give us a couple examples of how they acted on these beliefs?

They instigated a large-scale study of Jack Parsons and Aleister Crowley in the late 1940s and early 1950s, believing them as being partly responsible for the ushering in of the UFO mystery in 1947 - Parsons via his "door-opening" issues and Crowley, after he contacted the alien-like LAM. The CE also established a large-scale investigation of the alien abduction phenomenon in the early 1980s that reportedly was of great interest to the Reagan Administration.

Can you name anyone involved in the group or anyone who's been involved with them?

Yes, all the people I interviewed are named in the book and speaking on the record. However, they are not big-names or known names. Rather, they are people who spent their careers working behind the shadows in the world of Intelligence and espionage.

What put you on to this particular story?

I was put onto this story by a Nebraska-based priest named Ray Boeche, who has an interest in UFOs and who worked with MUFON. Ray told me in an extensive interview undertaken nearly 4 years ago that in 1991 he had been clandestinely approached by people in the Department of Defense who were aware of this alleged demonic deception of a UFO nature and were very concerned by its implications, and of the fact that the Government was dabbling into these areas, and perhaps even anticipating some sort of Faustian pact with them. That set me on the trail that ultimately led to the research and writing of the book.



How do we square conspiracy theories that the gov't is promoting belief in "UFO space brothers" with this group?

Bear in mind that this is simply one think-tank group in the Government that has this belief. It's entirely possible - in fact, probable - that they are other groups that have come to different conclusions about the nature of the UFO phenomenon.

In other words, the CE does not secretly speak for the U.S. Government on the UFO issue. But it does appear to speak for certain players in the Government that may wish to do away with the Constitution and turn the U.S. into a closed-doors society, surveillance-driven, and to create a populace indoctrinated by Old Testament teachings.

Did they have any conflicts with other factions in the government?

Yes, the way it was worded to me is that there is something like a silent conflict going on in today's intelligence world - with some pushing for this Old Testament indoctrination of - and control of - the populace, with other factions wishing to bring us back from the brink and restore things to genuine freedom.

Is it safe to assume that the popularity of the "UFO/Demon" meme that we see out there is thanks to the CE?

Some of it may be, yes, via subtle pushes of data here and there. However, I think that it may be the case that many people who adhere to this view do so because they have come to their own conclusions, but without third-party influence.


Disturbing stuff.

If I were a more cynical kind of guy, I might almost think that this was all just another psyops group assigned to create pretexts for overthrowing the Republic. But it certainly fits into the overall secret war against the New Age meme as well.

In my experience these kinds of people aren't really afraid that the UFOs are filled with demons - they're afraid that there might be something out there that might challenge their religious programming- and their authority. It could be science, it could be other religions or it could be UFOs. Anything that picks at the festering scab of doubt that every fundamentalist works so hard to hide will always be painted in demonic colors.

Ironically, the only times in the Old Testament that we see flying vehicles they're always associated with Jehovah and his angels. But we're not supposed to talk about that anymore.
 

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Yup, they ARE demonic, just not the way we have been taught to think about "demonic." What's more, the idea that religion can protect is one of THEIR memes - designed to make sure humanity has no possibility of standing against them.
 

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Laura said:
Yup, they ARE demonic, just not the way we have been taught to think about "demonic." What's more, the idea that religion can protect is one of THEIR memes - designed to make sure humanity has no possibility of standing against them.
It's ingenious in a Machiavellian way. Demons inspire religions of mass control, generating loosh by the gigajoule. Humans recognize demons and think, "I know, we'll stop them by creating a religion of mass control!" Demons have a laugh, eat some loosh, and move on to the next planet...
 

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Laura said:
Yup, they ARE demonic, just not the way we have been taught to think about "demonic." What's more, the idea that religion can protect is one of THEIR memes - designed to make sure humanity has no possibility of standing against them.
It seems that the Dominionists are getting ready to play a new card. The same old taking the truth and twisting it for the purposes of control over the masses. It makes me wonder if they are in collaboration with 4D STS or if they are unconscious dupes. Either way, I would think that they are doing it for their own power and greed, not for any form of really helping others.
 

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I reckon some of ya'll need to read this book and write some amazon reviews and point to "High Strangeness".
 

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Someone pass the sick bag!

_http://fringeology.blogspot.com/2010/09/aliens-and-conservatives-right-wing.html

The recent and frightening re-emergence of the hard religious right as a political faction will have an impact on all of us. Whether or not such "Jesus-driven" candidates as Sarah Palin, Mike Huckabee, Christine O'Donnell and Jan Brewer actually win elections to "govern by God," their fanatically held political and social beliefs will have repercussions for all of us who promote the study of things ET.

The words and actions of this frightening faction show that they oppose the Alien. They would never want extraterrestrial contact as they reject so many things that are "different" from them. They have repeatedly demonstrated their difficulty with inclusion of those who are not the same. And nothing could be more "different" that ET. Their near-racist opposition to Muslims and immigrants demonstrates their likely fear and loathing of extraterrestrial Visitors. As both history and current events reveal, extreme evangelical Christians even believe that ET are "demons."

GOING BACK TO PAT: "STONE THE ET BELIEVERS WITH ROCKS"

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In July of 1997 religious right extremist Pat Robertson (of the "700 Club") issued a public statement on aliens and UFOs. He planned his proclamation to coincide with the news of the July 4th Mars Pathfinder landing that year. In a rambling diatribe, Robertson said that aliens and ET are in reality "demons" that are attempting to steer people away from Christ. So grave is the offense to study ET, Robertson maintains, that it is "God's word" that such people should be put to death!

Robertson says, "The Bible says the Earth belongs to man, but the heavens belong to the Lord. He has given us the Earth." Robertson warned of ET, "these things are at best lifeless nothings, intelligent and demonic. They are not a host of heaven, they are fallen angels."

Robertson, who still retains millions of followers to this day, continues, "Can a demon appear as a slanted-eyed, funny-looking creature? Of course he can, or it can. Of course they can deceive people. They can lead people away from the true God." Quoting Deuteronomy, Robertson instructs us what to do with those who study saucers: "stone to death that man or woman with stones." Note Robertson's racist and ignorant words to describe others not like us: "Slanted-eyed and funny-looking creature."

Deceased ultra-right wing conservative Christian (and founder of the "Moral Majority") Reverend Jerry Falwell echoed Robertson's sentiments that when "playing with ET, you are playing with the devil." Both Robertson and Falwell had a major impact on the political thinking and positioning of rightist Republicans and extreme conservative politics that continues to reverberate to this day.

CHRISTIAN SYMPOSIUM 2009: "ALIENS ARE DEVILS!"

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A Christian outreach ministry led by Roswell resident Guy Malone preaches a strange mix of counter-cult evangelism, Biblical perspective on UFOs and what Malone describes as "Alien Resistance." During the annual Roswell UFO Festival last year, Malone organized an "all Christian speaker symposium" which included pastors, ordained ministers and pastoral counselors who came from around the nation to deliver papers. From the Best Western Ballroom, these men of the cloth lit the torch of ignorance. They explained to the exceptionally gullible that we are in "spiritual warfare" with these unwanted Visitors. Some they say, are demon abductors. The ET utter false New Age gospel and the messages to contactees are from Satan.

Presentations from the conference included such topics as: "Communication with Non-Terrestrial Beings: Biblical Warnings" and "Why an ET God Appeals to Today's Culture." as well as "ET's Message to Humanity: A False Gospel." Speakers included those from such places as Creation Ministries International and Evangelical Ministries. Such topics would be humorous if they were not so dangerous.

Such thinking of course is exclusionary in the extreme. Not only do these extreme rightists believe that they have the gift to "discern demons" - they believe that those who believe that ET is another species from another planet are anathema, and that to think that is dangerous and immoral.

A REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR AND ET

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Former Governor, Minister and Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee apparently has also weighed in on the ET issue. When the late TV journalist Tim Russert asked Huckabee about UFOs while moderating a 2008 presidential debate, Huckabee spelled out his reply. He said that he preferred "G-O-D" over "U-F-O" to audience applause. A volunteer for the Huckabee campaign, John Jones Nichols, was quoted at the time that "UFOs are really demons disguised as spaceships." Nichols added that he was "sure that the Governor agreed with the bibical experts" on this.

DEMONS AS ALIENS IN 2010

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Over the centuries, many things have been ignorantly viewed as demonic. Things that change the way we live -and that give us a wider expanse of knowledge and viewpoint- are always first feared. People believed for centuries that physical disease could be caused by demon possession. They did not know of the world of microbial life. It was at one time considered sacrilegious to consider that the Earth is not the center of the Universe.

But what is so profoundly disturbing is that these notions of demonic ETs is so prevalent today in 2010, well into the new millennium. A Google search using key words "Alien" + "Demons" yields over 1,500,000 matches. Countless websites warn of the connection between UFOs and Satan. Aliens, they proclaim that ETs are "Fallen Angels."

Right-wing Christian blogger Jefferson Scott said recently on his website: "I believe UFOs, aliens, abductions and animal mutilations are all real and that the American Government maintains relations with these beings." But then Scott alarmingly adds: "But I believe that the whole thing is demonic."

Scott is recycling a decades-old meme. It is a theme of extreme conservative Christians that maintains that Earth is "number one," that the Earth was gifted to humans by God- and that ET that come here are not of God. They are not welcomed. They are undesired intruders who are of the devil himself. The demons are disguised as aliens. But Scott also reflects a paranoia and distrust of "Government" that has reached irrational proportions in the recent political climate.

These "fundamentalists against flying saucers" extend this extreme mistrust of anything in government to the point of believing that some of those in Military and Intel really cavort with ET devils!

FINAL EVENTS

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Author Nick Redfern's new book "Final Events" discusses this potential infiltration of elements of US military and intelligence by extreme Christian fundamentalists. This fundamentalist faction believes that extraterrestrials are demonic in nature. Redfern describes a specific group within US military and Intel that has even named itself: The Collins Elite.

Some of these demon-fearing government groups have apparently been operating since the late 1940s. Some have even dreamt up scenarios where even the Roswell "memory metal" is seen as a "plant" by demonic forces. The material was created through "demonic alchemy" and placed in the desert by these evil entities as a devil's Trojan horse" for man to open doors best remained closed. That such religious fantasies may be held by those entrusted to protect our country is a frightening thought.

Though I have yet to delve into "Final Events" I do know that "evangelical infiltration" of our US Military and Intel has occurred. One only has to visit the Christian Embassy website to see how the corridors of power are infested by religious rightists who believe their mission is divinely inspired. The organization gives new meaning to the admonition: "Onward, Christian Soldiers!"

OBAMA AS ALIEN: FEAR AND PREJUDICE AGAINST CHANGE

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Such reactionary, divisive and rightist thinking is troublesome, even creepy. I cannot help but make this analogy:

Many of these misguided are the very same types that believe that President Obama is not really who he says that he is. They believe that he is not an American. They scream that he is not a U.S. citizen. In veiled terms they hint that he is "not like us." They lie about his religion. One yelled out during a McCain speech that Obama was "an Arab." Others rant that he is in fact the Anti-Christ.

Obama is "Alien" to these groups.

And the "fear of change" would be profound if such reactionary religious conservatives had to accept the visiting extraterrestrial. The perceived threat to their "order of things" would be too great for the bigoted and narrow-minded. Such people wish to restrict the immigration of Muslims and the construction of mosques in this country. The Christian Conservatives would rally strenuously against the construction of an alien's place of worship. They would no doubt take up the Palin call to violence: "Don't Retreat, Reload."

Rather than recognize that extra-solar planets likely teem with sentient life, they say that such things are Demons from Hell. They do not see that ET represents the splendor of God's diverse creation made evident throughout the universe. Like the delusional Florida pastor who called out to burn the Koran, they would no doubt burn ET's bibles. And just as they treated the "witches" of yore, such fanatics would falsely accuse ET and seek to destroy them.
 

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Sick bag for sure. But it's hard to tell which side is sicker. Talk about framing the discourse so that other options are not part of it!
 

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Nick Redfern on Dark Matter's Radio interviewed by Don Ecker (2:00:03 mins - 55Mb) discussing (Final Events)

Ufology - DMT - Aleister Crowley (LAM ) - Jack Parsons - Theodore von Karman - Golem - Demonology - Ray Boeche - Roswell memory metal - 911 - The Collins Elite - CE- (a number of secret groups buried deep within the US Intel community - DIA and also Air Force Intelligence amongst others) The CE conclude (The Collins Report) that Aliens are not off-worlders but demon, or an unknown hyperdimensional life-force that are farming the planet of souls as a food source, and have been doing so for eons etc - (not unlike the meme of the concept at the humanity as the energy source - batteries - in the Matrix) - Both Falun Gong & Scientology have this concept at the core of their propaganda.

_http://www.dqrm.com/shows/DMR/wk30/dmr-38-m.mp3
 

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Fascinating discourse! My father worked in the US Space program early on: Mercury, Apollo, Saturn and he used to occasionally bring home some UFO pamphlet/magazines from the late 50's and 60's. The idea of a demonic nature of these so called-aliens and UFO's was talked about vaguely back then too, before the whole myth solidified into current disinformation about Space Brothers and greys. I wish I saved some of those pamphlets...
 

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Finally got around to finishing this one after seeing it referenced in the Dick Farley thread links. Here's what he had to say about it:

_http://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t113p765-hello-cy-omf-ii-part-2

Whatever Redfern's purpose in doing this book, and we surmise he's either exploiting or servicing what in the past I termed the "Matrix of UFO Beliefs" (which itemizes variant beliefs and belief systems centered on the so-called "UFO" issue), this particular product does a unique service in summarizing and describing many of the "Eschatological" concerns allegedly held by competing "elites" inside and outside of government.
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Redfern's book is probably the best "survey course" in the religious or spiritual aspects of UFO beliefs and belief systems, whether as these have been promulgated by admitted "government" operatives or have just bubbled up in the public's consciousness in response to sustained marketing of anomalous explanations by people inside and outside of the (U.S.) government, in some cases attendant to counterintelligence efforts.

In the book I've referenced, Redfern reports on the assertions of an "Anglican priest" named Ray Boeche about a so-called "Collins Elite," which he contends is a quasi-government collective of "high officials" who believe the claimed "extra-terrestrial" presence attendant to UFOs (as broadly defined) are "demonic" and playing out a Grand Deception, which the reputed Collins Elite believe is targeting Christianity, primarily.

Personally, whether this is yet another example of Nick's taking one of our "Matrix of UFO Beliefs" elements and putting some of The Truth "Out There," mixed with sufficient silliness or extremes to deflect serious interest, I can't and won't speculate. We do know that some of the materials Nick cites were created for purposes more in line with disinformation, especially given their timing (concurrent with HPF's Rockefeller initiative), perhaps to suggest or instill "fear" in the religious demographic cohorts which follow UFOlogy.
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Redfern himself allows for speculation whether the Collins Elite, and other portrayals of "ETs" as demonic, reflected serious concerns, firmly believed, or were yet another "design for doubt" to sow fear of disclosure of Non-Human Intelligences interacting with Earth culture, maintaining it in an intellectual and political Limbo.
What's interesting is just how close the information gets to the picture portrayed by the Cs and Laura's books. The twist only comes near the end of the book, and is mentioned in previous posts (i.e., Christianity will save us!). So here's a brief rundown of some of the interesting points in the book:

-According to the Collins elite, the idea that the 'aliens' are ETs is a red herring. They want us to believe they're aliens, not 'demonic', thereby reinforcing a materialistic worldview, in order to steer humanity away from religion.

-Aleister Crowley and Jack Parsons (and perhaps L. Ron Hubbard), 'opened the door' to the modern era of flying saucers after some of their 'workings' (Crowley channeled a being called Lam who strongly resembled a Gray). Parsons was suspected of spying for Israel and had a high security clearance for his work in rocketry. He did his "Babalon" working in 1947, before the Kenneth Arnold sighting and the first major UFO flaps and waves.

-Early members concluded that UFOs/aliens were really an occult phenomenon, and therefore sought information from experts in demonology and the occult, and turned their attention towards such things as ESP and altered states of consciousness. They kept tabs on early contactees, who used methods such as Ouija boards and channeling to contact alleged aliens. (e.g., there's a 1954 CIA report on Ouija boards and their possible intelligence applications.)

-Apparently they consulted with Ruth Montgomery, and their guys were the source for her 1960 column revealing intelligence interest in ESP.

-After the Hill abduction, the Collins elite showed interest in cases involving young women who reported vehicle interference late at night (possible sings of abduction events). Coincidentally or not, reports matching these criteria were sent to the DIA from the British MOD in the 60s. Redfern's sources say this was for their research. Oddly, the Hills lived just down the road from future NICAP director Admiral Herbert Knowles and automatic-writer and contactee Francis Swan. The Collins elite concluded that the 'demons' had targeted Swan to get to Knowles and influence his opinions and thus NICAP's (who incidentally were gung ho for the ET hypothesis). Ditto for Betty and Barney Hill, who knew Knowles.

-Operation Often, which dealt with the supernatural and occult, had contact with the Collins elite, and worked together to some extent after Blue Book was closed. Remember this quote from Dolan:

By early 1969, teams within the CIA were running a number of bizarre experiments in mind control under the name Operation Often. In addition to the normal assortment of chemists, biologists, and conventional scientists, the operation employed psychics and experts in demonology.
-They showed interest in NDEs (and OBEs), especially after Paul Garratt's hellish account of soul-sucking flying saucers in the 'afterlife.' The CE believed that UFOs were somehow linked with the realm of the dead. Some believed that the 'kidnappings' (as they called abductions) were for the purpose of programming people for future tasks, including American politicians. In their opinion, the abduction phenomenon was a type of OBE, where the soul was somehow deliberately detached from the body and brought to the 'realm' of the UFOs.

-Some more conclusions: 'aliens' are behind cattle mutilations, the 'black helicopters' associated with them are screens for UFOs, and MILABS are screens for real abductions.

-One of the original guys who talked to Ray Boeche and Linda How told Howe that Bohm's "Implicate Order" was the place to look for clues as to the true nature of UFOs. Apparently, according to him, psychotronics utilizes contact with the aliens (i.e., they're allowing themselves to be used as psi weapons of some sort, but for some purpose of their own).

-Roswell happened but it was neither ET nor Mogul -- rather, the stuff that 'fell' was a staged to give the impression of an ET craft. This is an interesting conclusion. If the Cs view is correct, then UFOs are essentially 4D constructs - i.e., they're created in another realm, not on another planet per se, and then 'enter' our world. This could be mediated by some psi abilities, i.e., the craft is formed by thought. So even if not totally true, the CE's conclusion makes sense. As Redfern puts it, "it may have been cosmically and alchemically weaved in realms far away, then carefully and deliberately dropped on the desert floor". A CE document they gave Redfern reads:

STAC-5 also informs that WPAFG sources have had some success using the "PARSONS TECHNIQUE" in achieving spontaneous brief laboratory manifestations of materials very similar to two of those that "fell" at Lincoln County, NM in 1947.

STAC-5 is of opinion that if long-term manifestation and stability of materials can be achieved and precise originating point of materials can be determined then this will assist NASA-TZER mission to answer the critical questions posed in our 1991 briefing to STAC-5, "Entry Points -- And How Do We Keep Them Closed?"
Or, perhaps, the debris WAS formed in another realm, using similar methods, but it was ALSO a real craft of some sort.

Interestingly, Von Karman, a rocket scientist and acquaintance of Parsons, believed the Jewish Golem stories. Collins believed that the 'biological material' recovered at Roswell was artificially created, similar to the UFO itself. Perhaps, cybergenetic beings.

-Ample references are made to Fort, Keel, Vallee, and Bob Lazar's 'container' comment.

-There's some evidence that Jesus can stop abductions. At least, that's the interpretation of some researchers, like Joe Jordan and Guy Malone. This may be behind the CE's belief that large-scale indoctrination into the tenets of Christianity (essentially creating a theocracy in line with the C-Street ideas). However, reading one of the abductee's stories, he actually says:

You see finally I understood that it was because of FEAR in my own life that gave these evil spirits a foothold and once I realized this, I was able to do something about it.
If calling on Jesus actually worked, and wasn't just another alien deception, then it's possible that it wasn't Jesus per se, but the abductee's emotional resolve and changed attitude.

-Michael Heiser's comments are interesting:

... whatever this is, it's in it for itself. ... This is something inherently negative and sinister. ... What they are trying to do is to bring about a global, intellectual, and mental paradigm shift. That is, they are pushing the idea that we ... are related to them, that we come from them and that they are responsible for making us what we are ... This isn't just a targeting of Christianity ... they want to place themselves in the position of authority, in the position of creatorship. They want us to believe that they are the ones that deserve to be worshipped, not the true God.
-Apparently the idea was floated to stage a "Jesus returns" scenario using holograms. The result would be martial law and the fulfillment of biblical prophecies, theocracy as an antidote to aliens. (Not Project Blue Beam, but a separate idea, perhaps the seed of that story.)

-Rendelsham was perhaps a test of a psychotronic device that "manipulates the subatomic basis of matter at a quantum level" basically giving physical form to 'hallucinations'.

Whether the CE is/was real or not, the ideas are interesting. The bait and switch is in the promotion of Christianity (Jesus was Caesar!). As one ex-member told Redfern, following through on such an idea could actually fulfill their evil intentions.

The crux of the matter seems to be a bad conclusion from the data. That is, aliens are not ETs; they more resemble accounts of demons; therefore Christianity is true. The premises don't lead to the conclusion. Rather, it could be that demonology gave some accurate descriptions of a phenomenon that was insufficiently understood and placed within a false framework, i.e., Christianity. In other words: Aliens are not ETs, but they are not demons, either. Rather, aliens have at various times been described as demons, ETs, fairies, etc. However, the demon angle may be closer than the ETH or space brother idea. They really ARE evil, just not in the Christian framework. (While he doesn't write it in this book (I heard it in an interview), Redfern believes the UFO/alien phenomenon is 'interdimensional' in nature.)
 

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Final Events-Demonic UFO's, Alien Abductions, the Government, and the Afterlife

I've been reading a number of things lately. I'm on vol. 5-6 of The Wave series, Sarartha Darsini by Mahanidhi Swami, and the book in the title, Final Events--Demonic UFO's, Alien Abductions, the Government, and the Afterlife by Nick Redfern.

I was wondering if anyone here has read this last book, and how accurate the information in it is. It focuses on the ideas of a U.S. Government group called the Collins Elite, that believes that the whole UFO phenomena and the idea of extraterrestrials is really a deception, and that these beings are really demons. They believe that Aleister Crowley, with his successful invocation of LAM in the early 1900's (the drawing of whom looks just like a grey), and the subsequent Babalon Working by Crowley's disciple Jack Parsons along with L. Ron Hubbard, in the 1940's, was what "opened the door" so to speak, to unleashing these demonic beings upon the earth.

Now, this whole business with Hubbard and Parsons I've known about for many years, though this book presents evidence of many more facts in the story than other writers have ever mentioned. These connections were some of the exact data I've put together over the years from various sources and have written about before, though I never quite understood the extent of what is going on.

Laura's books bring so many things into focus that confused me previously, but I'm not finished with The Wave series yet, so I'm positive that even more things will be clarified for me.

So far in Laura's writings, as well as in my extensive past research, I haven't encountered any mention of this "Collins Elite". Is this book, in you guys opinions, just another disinformation piece mixing lies with truth? Or is there something to these stories?

Like I said, this book presents evidence that my current and past research and personal experiences confirm. But I've been really working on that developing discernment in these matters. I haven't posted here in quite a while because I've just been reading and researching and trying to critically evaluate everything I come across. But this book is something that I really need some guidance and opinions on.

My delving so deeply into these things led me to attempt with my wife a trance channelling experiment last week that scared the hell out of us, and the aftermath of which we are still dealing with. It has me reevaluating dabbling in those sorts of things. Knowledge protects, ignorance endangers the C's say. But all my knowledge provided no protection from the forces that my stupidity of the past two weeks brought upon us.
 

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Re: Final Events-Demonic UFO's, Alien Abductions, the Government, and the Afterlife

Chaitanya Krishna das said:
My delving so deeply into these things led me to attempt with my wife a trance channelling experiment last week that scared the hell out of us, and the aftermath of which we are still dealing with. It has me reevaluating dabbling in those sorts of things. Knowledge protects, ignorance endangers the C's say. But all my knowledge provided no protection from the forces that my stupidity of the past two weeks brought upon us.
Yes, you may have endangered your wife as well as yourself, CKd.

Have you not yet watched the Knowledge and Being videos, the links found in the Cassiopaean Experiment Board? If you had done this, you'd know that these matters need to be approached VERY carefully, if at all.

Maybe the light you can bring to this would be in sharing what happened and what the aftermath was, so that anyone else with an urge to go into this unprepared may learn from it.
 

Chaitanya Krishna das

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Re: Final Events-Demonic UFO's, Alien Abductions, the Government, and the Afterlife

I didn't want to elaborate, because I've been told here before not to post the results of my channeling experiences. Moderators here have deleted several posts I made sharing my past experiences for various reasons. I was told to post a link the next time I wanted to share something like that, so I didn't want to break the rules and be banned, because I find this forum very valuable. So here's a link to the whole story which I posted on my Gurudev's forum. The thread has responses from my Godbrothers/sisters, and an update at the end.

_http://nitaigaurnam.org/threads/a-bizarre-experience-that-im-seeking-opinions-and-advice-about.1520/
 
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