On Death

[Muxel]

I'm wondering what the C's would have to say on the subject of Death. It's something that will happen to all of us. It's something that happens around us all the time whether we pay attention or not. Life waxes and wanes.

In our world we do not have any empirical evidence of an "Afterlife". It's a Catch-22. So whatever we hear of the "Afterlife" comes from the fringe - the metaphysical and paranormal - but I don't think anything there is fully provable. For instance the Cassiopaean material talks of souls going to 5th density, but one would have to die in order to verify for him/herself that this is really the case!

So I broadly ask the C's, How do we die? How would one best face his/her own mortality? Is it really accurate that we should assume a "continuation" after Death, when the physical body evolved specifically to function in its native realm of the natural world? i.e. Why should we assume we will have "hands" in an After-death scenario, while human bodies certainly have limbs, a dead man (to be trite) can't have any limbs, or even be a "man" anymore.

Thanks to all!

 

[Joe]

The C's sessions are full of direct and indirect references to non-physical existence. While our physical bodies were designed for life on 3D earth, according to the Cs that is only a means to an end, the end being the accumulation of experiences and lessons and awareness and knowledge through physical existence. What accumulates this knowledge? Again, according to the Cs, the soul, which is in the process of development through life experiences in the physical body.

 

[Muxel]

The "soul" concept confuses me, because going by the what the C's say (see below quote), it is intertwined with the body and the effects go both ways. And while I am alive, I am for all intents and purposes, One being. I cannot "separate" my soul from my body, notwithstanding that I am unclear exactly how this "soul" thing works. So I am still left with the prospect of my mortality.

Q: (L) But isn't the nature of a person determined by their soul and not the physical body?

A: Partially, remember, aural profile and karmic reference merges with physical structure.

Q: (L) So you are saying that particular genetic conditions are a physical reflection of a spiritual orientation? That the soul must match itself to the genetics, even if only in potential?

A: Yes, precisely.

Q: (L) So a person's potential for spiritual advancement or unfoldment is, to a great extent, dependent upon their genes?

A: Natural process marries with systematic construct when present.

And in the paranormal arena we supposedly hear of all these dead people remaining earthbound. Present society thinks very little of Death, let alone of how to prepare us for it. Thus my wish for this subject to be opened with the C's.

 

[Gaby]

Present society thinks very little of Death, let alone of how to prepare us for it. Thus my wish for this subject to be opened with the C's.

Here is some food for thought:

The Health and Wellness Show - Death: No One Gets Out of Here Alive
http://www.sott.net/article/307357-The-Health-and-Wellness-Show-Death-No-One-Gets-Out-of-Here-Alive

Death is everywhere, yet no one talks about it. Violent video games, constant death in the news, fear of disease and dying. Why are we so afraid of talking about death openly?

Today on the SOTT Talk Radio Health and Wellness Show, we look into the subject of death.

What are the top five regrets of the dying? What about reincarnation and near death experiences? What about the physical process of dying?

All this will be explored and more as we explore the subject of death here on the Health and Wellness Show.

 

[Joe]

The "soul" concept confuses me, because going by the what the C's say (see below quote), it is intertwined with the body and the effects go both ways. And while I am alive, I am for all intents and purposes, One being. I cannot "separate" my soul from my body, notwithstanding that I am unclear exactly how this "soul" thing works. So I am still left with the prospect of my mortality.

Q: (L) But isn't the nature of a person determined by their soul and not the physical body?

A: Partially, remember, aural profile and karmic reference merges with physical structure.

Q: (L) So you are saying that particular genetic conditions are a physical reflection of a spiritual orientation? That the soul must match itself to the genetics, even if only in potential?

A: Yes, precisely.

Q: (L) So a person's potential for spiritual advancement or unfoldment is, to a great extent, dependent upon their genes?

A: Natural process marries with systematic construct when present.

And in the paranormal arena we supposedly hear of all these dead people remaining earthbound. Present society thinks very little of Death, let alone of how to prepare us for it. Thus my wish for this subject to be opened with the C's.

Your soul is separated from your body at death of the physical body. Souls are 'grown' through life experience and learning and knowledge.

It would probably be better if you were to ask specific questions rather than asking for this topic to be opened with the Cs. As I mentioned, in the transcripts there is a vast amount of data that offers many answers. Alternatively, you could read up on the material to answer some of the questions yourself and then, if you have any further questions, you can ask them here. That is, after all, what this forum is for.

There are many people here who have a lot of knowledge and understanding about this topic. One of the reasons for the Cs sessions was to create a body of knowledge from which people can learn and then share with others who are seeking.

 

[whitecoast]

Stephen Braude's book "Immortal Remains" is a pretty rigorous investigation of the possibility of life after death. It was a bit dry to read, and I never finished it, but the author's viewpoint is quite objective and disinterested in his discussion of phenomena and cases suggesting the survival of the person after death. The book "20 Cases Suggestive of Reincarnation" does into that topic as well, but is less broad than Immortal.

 

[axj]

It seems that people who experience astral travel or "out of body experiences" get first hand knowledge of where we go after death, as they often encounter discarnate souls who are either between incarnations or already done with that cycle.

 

[electrosonic]

It seems that people who experience astral travel or "out of body experiences" get first hand knowledge of where we go after death, as they often encounter discarnate souls who are either between incarnations or already done with that cycle.

I think you need to be careful with that statement axj - I doubt many of the discarnate souls stuck at this level (or the astral?) have any greater knowledge about where we go after death either, else they wouldn't be stuck at this level!
I've had a brief out of body experience, as have many on the forum, and I don't feel any more enlightened about death following that.
We need to be discerning between talk of astral travel and talk of 5th Density, as the two may be vastly different.

 

[axj]

The fact alone that you see or meet discarnate people shows that it is not over after death, unless astral travel itself is some sort of illusion that each person makes up subconsciously. However, since astral travelers report very similar things, I'd say it is not very likely the case.

Also, I didn't say anything about trusting whatever the discarnate people say, especially if it is someone in the lower astral.

 

[electrosonic]

The fact alone that you see or meet discarnate people shows that it is not over after death, unless astral travel itself is some sort of illusion that each person makes up subconsciously. However, since astral travelers report very similar things, I'd say it is not very likely the case.

Also, I didn't say anything about trusting whatever the discarnate people say, especially if it is someone in the lower astral.

I agree that at the very least the astral realm proves a continuation of consciousness after death for an indeterminable period, but i dont believe it helps us to define the optimum destination.

 

[Muxel]

The fact alone that you see or meet discarnate people shows that it is not over after death, unless astral travel itself is some sort of illusion that each person makes up subconsciously. However, since astral travelers report very similar things, I'd say it is not very likely the case.

Also, I didn't say anything about trusting whatever the discarnate people say, especially if it is someone in the lower astral.

I agree that at the very least the astral realm proves a continuation of consciousness after death for an indeterminable period, but i dont believe it helps us to define the optimum destination.

Agreed. Plus if you go by these metaphysical writings, we all already have an "astral body" anyway and thus already do exist in the "astral realm"! People have had, and will continue to have, psychic experiences, but it still does not answer the questions of the natural world - that life cycles, that death awaits us all, and how would a sentient person best meet his/her end, and where does one go from there, if indeed one "goes" anywhere?

For that matter, how can you be "you" when you die, when you have presumably cast away the physical body which had all the neurons/synapses, the glands, the hormones, the hair, the bones, the muscle - i.e. all that made you, "you"?

 

[Joe]

For that matter, how can you be "you" when you die, when you have presumably cast away the physical body which had all the neurons/synapses, the glands, the hormones, the hair, the bones, the muscle - i.e. all that made you, "you"?

Because "you" are really only your consciousness/awareness, which is non-physical, even if it is influenced by the physical.

 

[lilyalic]

For that matter, how can you be "you" when you die, when you have presumably cast away the physical body which had all the neurons/synapses, the glands, the hormones, the hair, the bones, the muscle - i.e. all that made you, "you"?

Because "you" are really only your consciousness/awareness, which is non-physical, even if it is influenced by the physical.

I remember in the death radio show it mentions how its the ego that doesn't want to die. We chose this density to experience physicality, so its natural to think "what happens to all that physicality?" - for me, the "I" that can't comprehend death seems to be the one that's attached to the physical, attached to the ego, the predator.

As Gaby suggested, read or listen to the death radio show, it really is interesting and they discuss many good points.

 

[Oxajil]

In our world we do not have any empirical evidence of an "Afterlife". It's a Catch-22. So whatever we hear of the "Afterlife" comes from the fringe - the metaphysical and paranormal - but I don't think anything there is fully provable.

Not necessarily just the metaphysical and paranormal, there is some interesting information out there of children remembering names of certain people, events from a certain area and time etc. they could not have picked up from their environment, and an explanation often can't be found, thus increasing the possibility that they could be possible memories from past lives.

So I broadly ask the C's, How do we die? How would one best face his/her own mortality? Is it really accurate that we should assume a "continuation" after Death, when the physical body evolved specifically to function in its native realm of the natural world? i.e. Why should we assume we will have "hands" in an After-death scenario, while human bodies certainly have limbs, a dead man (to be trite) can't have any limbs, or even be a "man" anymore.

I would guess the best way to face your own mortality would be to keep an open mind about it and read on the topic as best as you can. Obviously the hell/heaven idea makes very little sense, and the idea that we all simply cease to 'exist' does not explain the instances in which children remember details they could not have picked up from somewhere or somebody else. Hope this helps a bit.

 

[davey72]

I think a thorough reading of the wave would clear that question up for you