“Operators and Things: The Inner Life of a Schizophrenic” by Barbara O’Brien

rylek

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At the moment I am reading this fascinating yet disturbing book by Barbara O’Obrien (pseudeonym) entitled "Operators and Things: The Inner Life of a Schizophrenic” It has also been recently mentioned in the Cs session from January 30th and as there isn’t a dedicated thread to this book I thought to begin with collecting some of the quotes already on the forum and see where things go.

A brief overview:
Los said:
… Barbara O'Brien's book, Operators and Things, which is a personal account of six months of acute paranoid schizophrenia. The book is written with two main parts. The first section delves into her experiences with 'Operators', a type of entity who psychically controls and operates normal people, who are termed Things. In the second section, an analysis of her condition, O'Brien explores a variety of theories for the causes of the onset as well as her cure of schizophrenia. Jung's hypothesis of there being some role of the adrenal gland's malfunction in the disease strongly appeals to her. She describes how in her recovery during schizophrenia she was transformed from a 'horse' back into her former state of being a 'bronco':

Barbara O'Brien said:
I knew little about the adrenal gland except that it had something to do with the fighting, aggressive instinct in man. I discovered, after some more poking around in the library, that adrenalin was a secretion of the adrenal gland; that the secretion was vital to human life; and that it supplied mankind and a variety of nonhuman forms of animal life with the kind of sudden explosive energy that made it possible. for instance, a bear to defend itself in an emergency against a mountain lion, and for a man, facing an enemy, to banish fear under a flood of adrenal anger.
The story of the horse and the bronco was what was bothering me and I plodded through the conversations of the Operators again. I had been a natural bronco, the Operators had said, a kicking bronco. The experiment of the Operators, one of the Operators had told me, although it was not being entirely conducted for my benefit, would have one concrete value for me; it would change me back into a bronco.
(...)
The adrenal gland. when you had a healthy active one, one that spurted up quite automatically at times of stress, how did you live with it? (When the bear found himself unexpectedly facing a mountain lion, I learned from the library, the bear's adrenal gland automatically started spurting violently, making the bear furious. The mountain lion, on such occasions, after getting one snappy look at the bear coming at it spilling its fury all over the place, just as automatically got out of the way as fast as it could.)

If you forcibly, consciously controlled an active adrenal gland, and refused to permit its secretion from finding its way to your tongue or your fist, what happened? Did the secretion stop secreting? Or did the secretion, not being able to escape into tongue, fist, or hysterics, go somewhere else in your body? In my case, had the detouring adrenalin caused the kind of toxic poisoning which Jung suspected?
Further discussion about adrenaline and the adrenal gland is HERE

From the standard materialistic perspective schizophrenia is considered to be mental illness, but in fact there is much evidence to suggest that it might be an ability to perceive other dimensions:
Laura said:
Have you read all of The Wave series? I believe that I touch on that there. (It's been awhile since I wrote it so I can't put my finger on where). It is certainly mentioned in Secret History where I point out that there are many "abilities" that people are born with that seem to be 4 D type abilities and it has no relationship whatsoever to their spiritual development. It is, basically, just a result of the roll of the dna recombination dice.

We have talked here on the forum in a few places about the possibility that schizophrenia is related to perception of other realities that are REAL. If you haven't read "Operators and Things," do so. It is discussed here on the forum.
Then, in Adventures with Cassiopaea, which deals with John Nash, who was diagnosed with schizophrenia, the topic is discussed also.
In other words, there is a lot of material both on our website and here in the forum that discusses this issue. Bottom line is this: we speculate that a lot of so-called mental illness is, indeed, perception of other realities. However, even if the perceptions are real, the fact that the person can't separate that reality from this one and deal effectively with either or both is crippling. It also means that such abilities - including abilities that have been put forward as evidence of advanced spirituality - are not, in fact, such evidence. As I mention in Secret History, I knew of a man who could stop a hemorrhage with his touch, but had to be dragged out of a bar, drunk, on occasion, to apply his ability in emergencies. He also regularly beat his wife and children.
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ou may also find some clues in the thread about Hancock and "The Supernatural."
Further comment in the same thread:

Lúthien said:
Laura said:
In other words, there is a lot of material both on our website and here in the forum that discusses this issue. Bottom line is this: we speculate that a lot of so-called mental illness is, indeed, perception of other realities. However, even if the perceptions are real, the fact that the person can't separate that reality from this one and deal effectively with either or both is crippling. It also means that such abilities - including abilities that have been put forward as evidence of advanced spirituality - are not, in fact, such evidence. As I mention in Secret History, I knew of a man who could stop a hemorrhage with his touch, but had to be dragged out of a bar, drunk, on occasion, to apply his ability in emergencies. He also regularly beat his wife and children.
Here's the extract:
One thing is clear to me after all of these years of study: psi phenomena, whether it is healing or manifestation of matter or bi-location or whatever has almost NO relation whatsoever to one's state of spirituality. I encountered a family line that could "stop the flow of blood" with the touch of a hand, yet nearly every member was alcoholic, promiscuous, abusive to partners and children, and generally what one would consider to be ethically deficient. Yet, certain members of this line had this interesting "power" and were often called upon by neighbors and friend to save lives - even if they had to be hauled out of a bar dead drunk!
http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/matrix_dna_illusions_alchemy.htm

Another relevant extract, from the Wave:

Shamans are born AND made. That is to say, they are born to be made, but the making is their choice. And, from what I have been able to determine, the choice may be one that is made at a different level than the conscious, 3rd density linear experience. Those who have made the choice at the higher levels, and then have negated the choice at this level because they are not able to relinquish their ordinary life, pay a very high price, indeed.

A shaman stands out because of certain characteristics of "religious crisis." They are different from other people because of the intensity of their religious experiences. In ancient times, it was the task of the Shamanic elite to be the "Specialist of the Soul," to guard the soul of the tribe because only he could "see the unseen" and know the form and destiny of the Group Soul. But, before he acquired his ability, he was often an ordinary citizen, or even the offspring of a shaman with no seeming vocation (considering that the ability is reputed to be inherited, though not necessarily represented in each generation.)

At some point in his life, however, the shaman has an experience that "separates" him from the rest of humanity. This Native American "vision quest" is a survival of the archaic understanding of the natural initiation of the shaman who is "called" to his vocation by the gods. A deep study of the matter reveals that those who seek the magico-religious powers via the vision quest when they have not been "called" spontaneously, generally become the "Dark Shamans," or sorcerers; those who, through a systematic study, obtain the powers deliberately for their own advantage. (Again, Don Juan's distinction between the Sorcerer and the Warrior who practices to be Free.)

The true Shamanic initiation comes by dreams, ecstatic trances combined with extensive study. A shaman is expected to not only pass through certain initiatory ordeals, but he/she must also be deeply educated in order to be able to fully evaluate the experiences and challenges that he/she will face. Unfortunately, until now, there have been precious few who have traveled the path of the Shaman, including the practice of the attendant skills of "battling demons," who could teach or advise a course of study for the Awakening Shaman.

The future shaman is traditionally thought to exhibit certain exceptional traits from childhood. He is often very nervous and even sickly in some ways. (In some cultures, epilepsy is considered a "mark" of the shaman, though this is a later corrupt perception of the ecstatic state.) It has been noted that shamans, as children, are often morbidly sensitive, have weak hearts, disordered digestion, and are subject to vertigo. There are those who would consider such symptoms to be incipient mental illness, but the fact is extensive studies have shown that the so-called hallucinations or visions consist of elements that follow a particular model that is consistent from culture to culture, from age to age, and is composed of an amazingly rich theoretical content. It could even be said that persons who "go mad," are "failed shamans" who have failed either because of a flaw in the transmission of the genetics, or because of environmental factors. At the same time, there are many more myths of failed Shamanic heroes than of successful ones, so the warnings of what can happen have long been in place. Mircea Eliade remarks that:

... The mentally ill patient proves to be an unsuccessful mystic or, better, the caricature of a mystic. His experience is without religious content, even if it appears to resemble a religious experience, just as an act of autoeroticism arrives at the same physiological result as a sexual act properly speaking (seminal emission), yet at the same time is but a caricature of the latter because it is without the concrete presence of the partner. [Eliade, Shamanism, 1964]
http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/wave12e1.htm
And the quote from the 30 January 2010 Cs session where Operators and things was mentioned :

Laura said:
(Burma Jones) Yeah, you only see him under controlled circumstances when his handlers are around. This is kind of a silly question we were wondering about the other day, about the machine elves of Terrance McKenna and his DMT experiences?
(Ark) What what?
(L) The machine elves that Terrance McKenna saw during his hallucinogenic excursions, and I've seen something similar but not under the influence of hallucinogens. I was just extremely exhausted. My theory was that they were metaphors for energy.
(Burma Jones) And my thought was that they were metaphors for aspects of the mind.
A: Energy is closer, but that energy is also connected to a consciousness, i.e. "cryptogeographic" being.
Q: (L) We know about those cryptogeographic beings!

A: Remember "Operators and Things".

Q: (L) Did you read Operators and Things?
(Burma Jones) Yeah.
(L) That was CREEPY!
(Burma Jones) Very creepy.
(L) So what's the difference between the critters I saw and the living light that I have seen on occasion?
A: Living light is exactly that: light of life.
Comment in the same thread:

Yossarian said:
My understanding, since reading Operators and Things, and after this session, is that the Operators, or "cryptogeographic beings" are 4d sts, the 4d marauders, our "controllers," especially if we are of the psychopathic or organic portal persuasion. Is this interpretation correct, or are the C's and Laura talking about something else?
Also, assuming the 23% psychopath number is correct for the US, that sure explains a lot of things. Like why the workplace is living hell for the most place and why life here, if one is awake, is living hell. A friend told me that as a child she looked around herself and said, "This is Hell." I thought that was one of the most profound and aware statements any person could make and this information confirms it.

I think it's significant, because it means we're in deeper than I realized before.

It also ads depth to the term "frequency fence" We're locked into a cage filled with creatures of the lowest possible frequency!
Yossarian said:
A brief study of the word "crypto geographic"

crypto:
a secret supporter or follower; cryptography; secret or covert
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/crypto
geographic
Geography (from Greek γεωγραφία - geographia, lit. "earth describe-write" ) is the study of the Earth and its lands, features, inhabitants, and phenomena. A literal translation would be "to describe or write about the Earth". ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geographic
We have secret or covert describer--writer about the earth, i.e. a world controller. It looks like my idea is correct, these, the "operators" as described in Operators and Things are the Universal Law, 4D sts controllers.
As was already mentioned this are just some points made on the forum that seem like a good starting point :)
 

shijing

The Living Force
FOTCM Member
Just wanted to mention that I just finished reading this book as well, and I highly recommend it. For starters, there is a very adroit description in the first part of what we would consider the workplace psychopath. The author doesn't call it that, but when you are familiar with the basic concept, it sticks out like a sore thumb.

I am trying to puzzle through exactly what cryptogeographic beings really are -- for those who haven't read the book, these are identified with the creatures called 'Operators' (whereas normal human beings are referred to as 'Things'). Their mode of existence is obviously STS, and they have super-human abilities (including existing beyond human perception for the most part), yet I don't know if they could be considered 4D in the way we usually think of it. They seem to invisibly inhabit our plane of existence, whereas true 4D STS can only interact directly in 3D for limited periods of time, and are sometimes superimposed over what we would usually perceive as normal people.

Here is an interesting summary from the end of the appendix:

A certain percentage of the population have minds so constructed that they can influence the mentality of others and dominate them. These individuals are known as operators and refer to the rest of the population as things.
Upon these things they establish liens, chattels, and charters and so retain options over them.

Primarily, an operator is concerned with making points. He does this usually by engaging in draws with other operators. In a draw, a group of operators are concerned with influencing the actions and thoughts of the thing. A selection of subjects is drawn up, one is chosen and each operator in turn enters and influences the thinking of the thing upon that subject. The operator who has had the greatest influence upon the thing and motivated its actions and thinking to the greatest extent wins the draw which means winning the points each operator has put up to enter the draw. When draws are questioned by operators, an authority given the authority judiciates it.
 

Raintree

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Shijing said:
[...]
I am trying to puzzle through exactly what cryptogeographic beings really are -- for those who haven't read the book, these are identified with the creatures called 'Operators' (whereas normal human beings are referred to as 'Things'). Their mode of existence is obviously STS, and they have super-human abilities (including existing beyond human perception for the most part), yet I don't know if they could be considered 4D in the way we usually think of it. They seem to invisibly inhabit our plane of existence, whereas true 4D STS can only interact directly in 3D for limited periods of time, and are sometimes superimposed over what we would usually perceive as normal people.
[...]
FWIW, I've compiled a list of excerpts from the sessions that seems to suggests that these cryptogeographic beings are hybridized bi-density beings:

September 9 said:
[...]
Q: (L) Well, on the subject of abduction: we watched a film on television, Monday the 28th, that was a purported video of an alien autopsy, or, more correctly, an autopsy on an alien body. Was this, in fact, an alien?
A: How do you define "alien?"
Q: (L) Was it a being other than a naturally born human on this planet as we know human beings?
A: That is correct.
Q: (L) It was other than a naturally born human?
A: Correct.
Q: (L) Okay. What kind of a being was this?
A: Hybrid.
Q: (L) What was it a hybrid of - combining what elements?
A: Cybergenetic creatures you refer to as "Grays," and earth human such as yourself, third density. So, in essence, it was a hybridization of a 3rd density and 4th density being.
Q: (L) Okay, was this a 4th density being.
A: No. If you listen to the response - it was a 3rd and 4th density being.
Q: (L) How can a being be both 3rd and 4th density?
A: It is the environmental surroundings that count, not the structure of the individual. The same is true, for you. After all, you have read literature stating that your world or planet is in the process of ascending from 3rd to 4th density, have you not?
Q: (L) Yes.
A: And this literature has also stated that this is an ongoing process, has it not?
Q: (L) Yes.
A: Then, one must wonder, if it is an ongoing process, how would it be possible, if it is not possible, for a being to be in both 3rd and 4th density at one time... Also, if you will recall from review material, you are currently living in the same environment as
2nd and 1st density level beings. Is this not true?
Q: (L) Yes.
A: At least that is what you have been told. So, therefore, it is possible for a being to be in 3rd and 4th density. And as we have also told you, when 4th density beings visit 3rd density environment, they are, in effect, 3rd density beings, and vice versa. The
so-called abduction takes place, especially if it is a physical abduction, the subject becomes temporarily 4th density, because it is the environment that counts. And the key factor there is awareness, not physical or material structure.
Q: (L) I have a paper here that talks about the Grays and says that they have two brains: an anterior brain and a posterior brain; and that if you shoot one - this is what it says, I am not suggesting that I want to shoot anybody - that if you shoot one, and
only shoot one part of the brain, that it does not die; that you have to shoot it in a special way and get both brains in order to kill one. Is this a correct concept?
A: Well, it is rather puzzling. Brings up a lot of questions. One question that comes to mind is: why would one seek to shoot anything.
Q: (L) Well, I didn't suggest that I wished to, this is just what this paper says here.
A: The physical description is accurate in terms one variety of what is referred to as the Grays. It does have an anterior brain. However, this is secondary to all other issues. And, also we would suggest that it would not be advisable to seek to cause
physical harm to any particular species. Therefore, it may be advisable to disregard the information contained in the work that you are describing.
Q: (L) It also says that the Grays have to be very close to a person to telepathically link with that person. Is this correct?
A: Close? No, as we have described to you before, there are technological processes involved which do not require close physical proximity as you measure it. But, this is very complicated. It follows dimensional windows and that sort of thing, which you
do not fully understand, therefore it would not be advisable to go into that in great detail. But, the general answer to that question is no.
Q: (L) It also says that they implant some sort of crystal on the optic nerve of humans that is 2 to 4 microns in diameter and that this crystal is tuned to the frequency of the indvidual's implanting it, which allows them to establish a mental frequency for
communication. Is that anywhere along the line of what you are talking about?
A: Physical implantations do occur. The precise locations vary according to the desired effects. And when it comes to the interactions between the human species in 3rd density, and other STS issues in 4th density, there are a variety of mechanisms in use
as well as a variety of directives and objectives. For example, some implants are used merely for tracking. Others are used to alter consciousness, and still others are designed to be mind altering or motor altering mechanisms. Each of these has a different
structure and a different material content according to which is being employed and for what purpose. The particular function you are describing there has been used, or, rather, something similar, though we are not completely familiar with that which you
have described. So, we suggest that this may be fabrication to some extent, or expansion of accurate information. But, in any case, it is true that implants do get implanted for various reasons.
[…]
October 14 said:
[...]
(L) Like photocopies of newspaper clippings and stuff like that, but it's arranged in quite a comprehensive order. (SV) A lot of it is really scary. (L)
I want to ask about one thing from the Matrix material. I want to know who and what are the "Esseseni?"
A: Hybrids, new.
Q: (L) They are new hybrids? And what are they a hybridization of? What are the sources of the material for the hybridization?.
A: Humans and grays.
Q: (L) Are the Esseseni positively oriented beings, as has been suggested by some?
A: Split.
Q: (T): Some STS, some STO?
A: Yes.
[...]
Sept. 14 said:
[...]
(L) Another question we had was, in areas where 3rd and 4th density are merged or merging, is it easier for Men in Black to project themselves into such a reality.
A: Of course.
Q: (J) They once said something about bi-density beings. They were like hybrids between 4th density beings and a 3rd density being. Or could such an individual be a genetically enhanced human?
A: Humans were once "bi-density." And some may be again in the natural way. Those of 4D STS "manufacture" are similar. Just think of them as a type of OP with souped up engines.
[…]

November 23 said:
[...]
Q: (L) You have said twice that remote viewing was not "needed." Where did he get his information?
A: Secret sources. Agents of the nation "of the third eye."
Q: (J) What or who - is the "Nation of the Third Eye?"
A: Terran civilization under the surface.
Q: (L) Now, wait a minute. I remember that when they said the Aryans were brought from Kantek and that they were "sturdier or something like that, and I remarked that it seemed that they would be less sturdy - and the C's answered "on the surface."
Now, that has always bothered me. I don't think they meant "surface appearances." Have the Aryans been glorified as the "master race" because they are more suited to living underground?
A: Close. All types there are "Aryan."
Q: (L) Okay, is this a Terran underground civilization that has been 'managed' by Orions, or did it develop on its own?
A: One at a time.
Q: (L) Did the underground civilization develop on its own?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Is it managed or manipulated by Orions as well?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Are these "managers" Orions from other densities?
A: Yes and no.
Q: (L) I don't understand. Are there some that are 4th and some that are 3rd?
A: The human types there are "bi-density."
Q: (L) Holy Shiite Moslems!
A: Grays and Lizards are 4th density. They can "visit" 3rd density, but they must keep returning to 4th in order to "regenerate."
Q: (T) Are you saying that the human/Aryan types can exist as long as they want in any density?
A: In 4th and 3rd.
Q: (L) They can move back and forth, existing with equal ease on either density?
A: Well, not with "equal ease," because 4th density is easier, naturally.
Q: (T) So, the information Courtney Brown was given to write this quasi fiction book, is about the Aryans and not about the Martians?
A: "Martians" is easier to understand for the less well- informed, not to mention any discussion of the densities!
Q: (T) Absolutely. Martians are easier to accept. A lot easier to understand than densities! (L) Okay, Third Eye. What is this?
A: That is what they call themselves when pressed for an explanation by surface types, such as yourselves. They were the inspiration for Masonic lore and Illuminati, too.
Q: (L) Does this "Third Eye" designation have a connotation of third eye abilities as we understand them?
A: Psychic.
Q: (T) Does Courtney know he has been had?
A: He has not been "had." He is under the employ of those who pull the levers, so to speak.
Q: (L) You said "pull the levers." Is Courtney Brown a robot, Greenbaumed, mind-controlled,
implanted, or any or all of the above? (T) Or is he just foolish?
A: No. Not so foolish, he does not worry about paying the power bill. As Forest Gump said: "Stupid is as stupid does."
Q: (L) Are you implying that I am foolish or stupid because I DO worry about paying the power bill?
A: No, we are not implying that you are stupid, or foolish, for that matter... But, Courtney Brown is not either. Who is he hurting? And, he has hit the jackpot with this one. Knowledge can be procured by reading literature, then analyzing it.
Q: (T) Is the time table that he has given correct?
A: Close.
Q: (T) So, the powers that be are going to follow this time table and present the Aryans as Martians?
A: No.
Q: (L) Are the Aryans going to present themselves as Martians?
A: Initially. In order for the Terrans to get used to the idea of EBEs.
Q: (T) But, they are not the good guys. Beware of Greeks bearing gifts.
A: Some of the "good guys" are identical in appearance.
Q: (T) Is this a subterfuge on the part of the Aryans so that they can slide in quietly and take over?
A: No, they do not need that at all. It is a way for the "government" to introduce everyone to the new reality of the existence of intelligent life all over the place, not just here.
Q: (T) So, they have their own agenda, but it is not what Courtney presented in the book.
A: It does not matter. The book is a somewhat altered "New Reality 101."
[...]
 

seek10

The Living Force
FOTCM Member
Shijing said:
Just wanted to mention that I just finished reading this book as well, and I highly recommend it. For starters, there is a very adroit description in the first part of what we would consider the workplace psychopath. The author doesn't call it that, but when you are familiar with the basic concept, it sticks out like a sore thumb.

I am trying to puzzle through exactly what cryptogeographic beings really are -- for those who haven't read the book, these are identified with the creatures called 'Operators' (whereas normal human beings are referred to as 'Things'). Their mode of existence is obviously STS, and they have super-human abilities (including existing beyond human perception for the most part), yet I don't know if they could be considered 4D in the way we usually think of it. They seem to invisibly inhabit our plane of existence, whereas true 4D STS can only interact directly in 3D for limited periods of time, and are sometimes superimposed over what we would usually perceive as normal people.

Here is an interesting summary from the end of the appendix:

A certain percentage of the population have minds so constructed that they can influence the mentality of others and dominate them. These individuals are known as operators and refer to the rest of the population as things.
Upon these things they establish liens, chattels, and charters and so retain options over them.

Primarily, an operator is concerned with making points. He does this usually by engaging in draws with other operators. In a draw, a group of operators are concerned with influencing the actions and thoughts of the thing. A selection of subjects is drawn up, one is chosen and each operator in turn enters and influences the thinking of the thing upon that subject. The operator who has had the greatest influence upon the thing and motivated its actions and thinking to the greatest extent wins the draw which means winning the points each operator has put up to enter the draw. When draws are questioned by operators, an authority given the authority judiciates it.
Unfortunately, Most of the big business leadership filled with operators. The rules and demands of the company are set in such a way that only operators goes up. In the context, offshoring , out sourcing acts a opportunity for saving the money( if it really is true) , creates a entire smoke screen to cover the weaknesses and inefficiencies and almost psychopathic lies of the operators. psychopaths fits this bill easily. In big business, people decide whether they want to go grow in the company or not based on their operators abilities. exceptions do exist, but they are rare.

My work place is a very much operator environment and I felt it as a strange world for years. I have drawn a line saying that I am not going to even think about what others are doing and their perception management strategies and hook games. I have seen people lying over and over on our faces, changing what they are saying to fit the need to satisfy the persons of influence. Many times these persons of influence become influential for short assignment. none the less people revolve around them changing their words, stance, propagating gossip, half truths that fits their agenda of getting points from the bosses , demanding the rewards for their great non existent work, complaining about the unsatisfactory rewards. One can't open the mouth in front of them, with out worrying about how the words are going to be twisted to the agenda of the person above. interacting with them is a like swimming with the shark. One has to gather information about what others doing to safe guard oneself and that doesn't come by unless one has some thing to share to other person. In the process it is easy for any body to lose their identity. It is scary to observe operator games and extremely painful to watch them when you know that you can be the victim. :scared:
 

alphonse

Jedi Master
My wife just passed this on to me after I had a particularly tough time at work, she rightly spotted that I need to identify the "Operators" . Operators as described are not really so evident in our small-ish company, although they are soon exposed.
I am very luck with my colleagues, as they are mostly decent and considerate people, but they definitely exist on a massive scale within the big corporations we supply, and my colleagues and I are very susceptible to playing the part of 'things'

An aspect of it that saddens me, is that having been in this industry for over 20 years I have seen intelligent likeable people join these organisations fresh from university with big hopes and enthusiasm, and evolve in to operators as they thenselves fall victim to the structure of their company.

So is it a form 'micro-ponerization' within the frame work of the particular companies environment that makes that so?
Were the once wide-eyed earnest newcomers always potential 'operators' or did the system turn them in to that?

The age old question of nature or nurture. I'm only half way through, the book so maybe I will find the answer.
It's such an excellent book and so well written.

I feel a bit spoiled actually as the last book I read was Trojan Horse, by Jon Keel which was a pleasure to read.
Not sure what to follow those two with - any ideas?
 

kenlee

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FOTCM Member
alphonse said:
The age old question of nature or nurture. I'm only half way through, the book so maybe I will find the answer.
It's such an excellent book and so well written.

I feel a bit spoiled actually as the last book I read was Trojan Horse, by Jon Keel which was a pleasure to read. Not sure what to follow those two with - any ideas?
Hi Alphonse, you might want to read what Castaneda has to say about the "flyers mind" since there might be some correspondences between that idea and the descriptions given in the book regarding the hook operators. Another good book is The Secret Team by L. Fletcher Prouty.

Based on my own experience working for the big corporations the descriptions given in the book on how these hook operators work on their victims are chillingly, hair-raisingly accurate, especially regarding how they go about looking for a persons “soft spot” and then exploiting it. I found that the guys who were hell bent on getting to the top of the corporations seemed to have some kind of sixth sense in sensing a persons weakness and then exploiting that weakness with a natural ease, as if they had a natural gift or a natural reflex for doing so.

These types in the corporations who are power hungry seem to have some unseen force pulling their strings and I would often get the impression that they were like a gang of thugs where some unseen hand was controlling their predatory actions, even synchronously. Whenever they chose a victim it seemed to me that something connected their actions that was not directly perceivable by the senses except by observing the effects (such as observing their collective behavioral dynamics at a very subtle level). I was thinking that if these operators exist then they exist at a level that's beyond sense perception. Possibly their 'bodily supports' are composed of energies that we can’t physically see and perhaps they can direct certain kinds of energies just as easily as we can manipulate physical objects.
 

shijing

The Living Force
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Raintree said:
Shijing said:
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I am trying to puzzle through exactly what cryptogeographic beings really are -- for those who haven't read the book, these are identified with the creatures called 'Operators' (whereas normal human beings are referred to as 'Things'). Their mode of existence is obviously STS, and they have super-human abilities (including existing beyond human perception for the most part), yet I don't know if they could be considered 4D in the way we usually think of it. They seem to invisibly inhabit our plane of existence, whereas true 4D STS can only interact directly in 3D for limited periods of time, and are sometimes superimposed over what we would usually perceive as normal people.
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FWIW, I've compiled a list of excerpts from the sessions that seems to suggests that these cryptogeographic beings are hybridized bi-density beings...
That's an interesting idea -- I hadn't thought about the possibility that the cryptogeographic beings might be bi-density, so I have to mull that over. Thanks a lot for collecting those excerpts and putting them all in one place!
 

crazycharlie

Padawan Learner
for what it's worth , those Courtney Brown books are now
FREE ( as pdf's ) at his website
he calls them renegade books "Cosmic Voyagers" and "Cosmic Explorers"
_http://courtneybrown.com]courtneybrown.com
 

shijing

The Living Force
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crazycharlie said:
for what it's worth , those Courtney Brown books are now
FREE ( as pdf's ) at his website
he calls them renegade books "Cosmic Voyagers" and "Cosmic Explorers"
courtneybrown.com
Thanks, crazycharlie -- this is an opportune time to bring up what the C's said about Brown and his work:

Q: (L) Okay, let’s move on to Courtney Brown.
(T) We all know who he is, and what he is writing about in regard to remote viewing... what is it all about?
A: Vague.

Q: (T) Is the book Courtney Brown wrote, “Cosmic Voyage,” concerning the Martian population...
A: It is true that there are underground bases on Mars, but they are Orion STS.

Q: (T) Are there Martians as portrayed by Courtney Brown?
A: Not exactly. He is portraying the Orion STS as the Martians.

Q: (T) Is Courtney Brown a government disinformation agent?
A: More as an “agent provocateur.”

Q: (T) Is he working for the government?
A: Not directly, and remember, the government is not one entity.

Q: (L) Who is primarily backing Courtney Brown?
A: Rockefeller group.

Q: (L) And, is Mike Lindemann and company part of this Rockefeller group at this time?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Linda Howe?
A: No.

Q: (T) Did Courtney actually do remote viewing to obtain the information in the book?
A: Not really. Not needed.

Q: (T) Does this mean that the whole story is concocted on his part?
A: Semi. Elements of it are factual.

Q: (T) Yes. I could see that there were factual elements. I could also see that there was a LOT that was questionable, that conflicts with EVERYTHING else that has come out from other researchers. This is all totally twisted and different.
A: Close.

Q: (T) Is Courtney able to do remote viewing?
A: Yes.

Q: (T) But he did not use it with this book?
A: No.

Q: (T) So, the book was made up the way it is. It is a story. Some factual information, some invented information, some pure BS thrown in to fluff it out. So, the book is NOT an account of work that has come from remote viewing sessions?
A: No, but not needed.

Q: (L) You have said twice that remote viewing was not “needed.” Where did he get his information?
A: Secret sources. Agents of the nation “of the third eye.”

Q: (J) What or who - is the “Nation of the Third Eye?”
A: Terran civilization under the surface.

Q: (L) Now, wait a minute. I remember that when they said the Aryans were brought from Kantek, and that they were “sturdier,” or something like that, and I remarked that it seemed that they would be less sturdy - and the C’s answered “on the surface.” Now, that has always bothered me. I don’t think they meant “surface appearances.” Have the Aryans been glorified as the “master race” because they are more suited to living underground?
A: Close. All types there are “Aryan.”

Q: (L) Okay, is this a Terran underground civilization that has been ‘managed’ by Orions, or did it develop on its own?
A: One at a time.

Q: (L) Did the underground civilization develop on its own?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Is it managed or manipulated by Orions as well?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Are these “managers” Orions from other densities?
A: Yes and no.

Q: (L) I don’t understand. Are there some that are 4th and some that are 3rd?
A: The human types there are “bi-density.”

Q: (L) Holy Shiite Moslems!
A: Grays and Lizards are 4th density. They can “visit” 3rd density, but they must keep returning to 4th in order to “regenerate.”

Q: (T) Are you saying that the human/Aryan types can exist as long as they want in any density?
A: In 4th and 3rd.

Q: (L) They can move back and forth, existing with equal ease on either density?
A: Well, not with “equal ease,” because 4th density is easier, naturally.

Q: (T) So, the information Courtney Brown was given to write this quasi fiction book, is about the Aryans and not about the Martians?
A: “Martians” is easier to understand for the less well- informed, not to mention any discussion of the densities!

Q: (T) Absolutely. Martians are easier to accept. A lot easier to understand than densities!
(L) Okay, Third Eye. What is this?
A: That is what they call themselves when pressed for an explanation by surface types, such as yourselves. They were the inspiration for Masonic lore and Illuminati, too.

Q: (L) Does this “Third Eye” designation have a connotation of third eye abilities as we understand them?
A: Psychic.

Q: (T) Does Courtney know he has been had?
A: He has not been “had.” He is under the employ of those who pull the levers, so to speak.

Q: (L) You said “pull the levers.” Is Courtney Brown a robot, Greenbaumed, mind-controlled, implanted, or any or all of the above?
(T) Or is he just foolish?
A: No. Not so foolish, he does not worry about paying the power bill. As Forest Gump said: “Stupid is as stupid does.”

Q: (L) Are you implying that I am foolish or stupid because I DO worry about paying the power bill?
A: No, we are not implying that you are stupid, or foolish, for that matter... But, Courtney Brown is not either. Who is he hurting? And, he has hit the jackpot with this one. Knowledge can be procured by reading literature, then analyzing it.

Q: (T) Is the time table that he has given correct?
A: Close.

Q: (T) So, the powers that be are going to follow this time table and present the Aryans as Martians?
A: No.

Q: (L) Are the Aryans going to present themselves as Martians?
A: Initially. In order for the Terrans to get used to the idea of EBEs.

Q: (T) But, they are not the good guys. Beware of Greeks bearing gifts.
A: Some of the “good guys” are identical in appearance.

Q: (T) Is this a subterfuge on the part of the Aryans so that they can slide in quietly and take over?
A: No, they do not need that at all. It is a way for the “government” to introduce everyone to the new reality of the existence of intelligent life all over the place, not just here.

Q: (T) So, they have their own agenda, but it is not what Courtney presented in the book.
A: It does not matter. The book is a somewhat altered “New Reality 101.”
Brown's books are actually quite interesting when read with the above in mind -- making sure that when you read them, you do it with discernment.
 

rylek

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FOTCM Member
I found this passage in Operator's and Things interesting:

Operators and Things said:
(I remember that one night I brought up the question of God versus Operators. and after a short pause, the boys brought in Sophisticated to explain the situation to me. Sophisticated being the character he was, I lost track of my original question within a short time. But Sophisticated remained with the subject long enough to explain that Operators, very early in the history of civilization, had surrounded the earth with an airfield of steel rays so powerful that even God couldn't get trough. As arguments went, I I thought that this was a pretty weak one. But, Sophisticated had pointed out, it was quite plain from the state of the world that the steel rays were undoubtedly keeping God out. And I finally had to admit that Sophisticated had a point.
p.128
This sounds very much like the abridgment of free will that humans have undergone, and also that the Operators might in some way be either co-operating or working along similar lines as 4D STS. Just a thought.
 

meta-agnostic

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I just finished reading the book and it is certainly fascinating. As a formerly insane person who made it back to consensus reality, I can relate. I never got stuck with the schizophrenic label but only bipolar, a convenient catch-all that can be applied to a wide range of erratic behavior. The level of confusion was probably similar, just no visuals or auditory hallucinations except in maybe a few rare instances. And I can say that the actions of aforementioned "hook operators"/psychopathic types were a definite trigger, both on a personal and worldwide level. Before finding a framework for reality like what we are studying here, I found it pretty hard to deal at times.

I noticed that in the two online versions I could find, pages 140 and 141 of the book are missing. Does anyone know where these could be located? My understanding is the book itself is out of print.

There are a lot of questions to be further explored. Did the C's mention this book specifically before the 30 January 2010 session? I wonder what exactly constitutes an "Operator" and also a "Thing". Do all humans necessarily fit into one of these two categories? Is what happened to the author to be considered an accurate representation of interactions with bi-density cryptogeographic beings? Of course her conclusion is it was all a subconscious or unconscious hallucination. My guess is there were some elements of her personal spin put on the interactions even if there were at times actual separate entities interacting with her.

So since our attention has been drawn to this, what do you think it means for everyone in general? That there really are a (large?) group of humans who have mind control capabilities as part of their nature and can use them on everyone else? And the rest of us are their chattel? I'm aware of the discussions about higher density manipulations, but the idea of a large contingent of fellow "humans" consciously taking part in them is new to me. Seems a little beyond what run-of-the-mill psychopaths are typically engaged in. Is it possible that at whatever level these things operate on, not everyone fits into one of those two categories? Maybe there are Things who are immune to a large or total degree from the direct control of Operators. Perhaps they even have latent Operator abilities. Maybe there are some Operators who aren't all that bad. Some of the ones in the book seemed okay. Their relationship to the STS hierarchy would be interesting to know. The book deals with a lot of themes dealt with on these forums, but there are obviously a lot more aspects to everything than what is in the book. Anyone know if the author is still alive? Just some thoughts.

I'm considering passing this book on to some people I know who are involved in mental health advocacy. Not sure what if any effect it will have, and I'm not quite ready to source it to here, but it certainly provides a unique perspective.
 

Approaching Infinity

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meta-agnostic said:
There are a lot of questions to be further explored. Did the C's mention this book specifically before the 30 January 2010 session? I wonder what exactly constitutes an "Operator" and also a "Thing". Do all humans necessarily fit into one of these two categories?
I think that the basic division would be that operators are psychopaths and things are their victims. But this could probably also be expanded upon so that operators could be anyone used as a portal by HD beings. The true operators are 4D STS.

That there really are a (large?) group of humans who have mind control capabilities as part of their nature and can use them on everyone else? And the rest of us are their chattel? I'm aware of the discussions about higher density manipulations, but the idea of a large contingent of fellow "humans" consciously taking part in them is new to me.
I don't know for sure, but I'd say the only ones that know their function are perhaps those involved in magickal workings who do their masters' bidding. Otherwise, I think it's an unconscious process. Psychopaths fulfill HD plans without their knowledge. They're simply reaction machines whose actions serve the control system. And of course, there are those consciously involved in mind control activities, as well as those who are instinctively able to perform such manipulations, as psychopaths are able to manipulate, program, control, etc.

Maybe there are some Operators who aren't all that bad. Some of the ones in the book seemed okay.
Some operators are probably dead dudes who don't really know what they're doing. Others are probably just good operators. ;) Those are my thoughts at the moment. Not sure if they're correct or not, though!
 

kenlee

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Regarding the invisible operators that's in this book I think we can, at best, only speculate on them since if they exist, then their existence is most likely beyond sense perception, but there have been moments when I’ve been in large crowds and would get the impression that there was something operating behind the scenes that was directing energies within the crowd dynamic and (possibly) using certain people as focal points to direct certain kinds of energies into the crowd and the crowd as a whole would act like some massive ‘wave guide’ to propagate that energy into the surrounding community.

It seemed to me that the people who made up this wave guide were totally unconscious of the fact that they were collectively ‘propagating a force,’ with minimum resistance, since they appeared to be totally unconscious of what was going on within the deeper layers of reality within their own psyche as they went about acting like total automatons (I know that sounds harsh but that’s how it looked).

Their collective movements, taken as a whole, seemed to reflect this force at a certain ‘frequency.’ I felt it’s effects too (which is something that is very hypnotic), and found myself identifying with it most of the time but there were moments where my awareness might have allowed for me to ‘see’ something going on behind the scenes, although its never easy to maintain that awareness since the hypnotic pull is very strong.

One thing I observed is that when there is a crowd of people then it’s as if they all share a ‘common presence’ when they are in a certain geographic proximity to each other, as if there is something that connects them in some way and where they actually share the same present moment.

What I ‘saw’ was that if something happened at some point within the crowd then it could (seemingly), instantaneously, effect and be felt at another point in the crowd in zero time with no direct connection (I’m not saying that’s the way it was, it just seemed that way). It seemed to me that the energy that was flowing through the crowd was flowing through a group of people who were totally, completely, unconscious and these energies moved them like marionettes in accordance with some program, not much different then the way a microprocessor can send out control signals to peripheral devices through the gating circuitry in a computer circuit board.

The impression I got is that whatever it was that might have been operating behind the scenes of the crowd would kinda run and check the program and these ‘operators’ (if they exist) might have the power to collect, direct and focus certain kinds of energies through an unconscious crowd, but these operators (still speculating here) might be subservient to something that's still above them, like maybe some kind of overseer or something like that. At least that's the impression I got.

I was thinking that if one becomes more conscious then this might allow for the possibility for the individual to consciously transform these energies for the coating of their higher being-bodies (as Gurdjieff might say) rather then serve the purposes of what seems to be some giant machine.
 

rylek

Dagobah Resident
FOTCM Member
kenlee said:
Regarding the invisible operators that's in this book I think we can, at best, only speculate on them since if they exist, then their existence is most likely beyond sense perception, but there have been moments when I’ve been in large crowds and would get the impression that there was something operating behind the scenes that was directing energies within the crowd dynamic and (possibly) using certain people as focal points to direct certain kinds of energies into the crowd and the crowd as a whole would act like some massive ‘wave guide’ to propagate that energy into the surrounding community.
kenlee, what you've written reminded me of a thread I read a long time ago where a similar event was described. Here's the relevant post (it's quite lengthy I'll just link to it)
 

Juba

Dagobah Resident
Great book, and yes it's disturbing, but I would like to recommend it to every one, it's definitely one of my favorite books, not so many people can make almost microscopically precise vivisection and depict so powerfully programs in very own core of conscious and unconscious of schizophrenic mind, first time I read this book I was, at least to say, shocked, but than I read Hervey Cleckley's book The Mask of Sanity, Martha Stout's The Myth of Sanity and Robert Hare's The Disturbing World of the The Psychopaths Among Us and Andrzej Lobachevsky's Ponerology and I was even more in state of shock, not because these books were horrific to read but because truth struck my brain like heavy maul, absolutely amazing and eye opening books. I'm sorry to say but none of these books have been translated to Croatian or any other languages of ex-Yugoslavia, what a mistake.

I read O&T 3 times and every time I learned something new and understand more (shock effect is still present), kudos to Barbara and her work.
 
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