Here's a quote which might clarify:Ruth said:So, do these 4D-based Lizzie created beings have souls? I am presuming the answer is no (if they exist at all) and if this is the case, does that make them OPs albeit 'souped up ones'? The point I was trying to make was that a 'souped up' human OP may be a rarity if there are so many Greys getting about and the description by the Cs may refer directly to Greys, not humans. Presuming they exist at all that is.
In the case of the OP, these "soul imprint energies" are possibly the same as the animalistic 2D "soul pools" that are described in some of the above posts in this thread. In the case of "Greys", I'd speculate that they would have more of an individuated consciousness by virtue of being 4D.Session 950902 said:Q: (L) Well, if the Grays are cybergenetic probes of the Lizard Beings, and, in effect soulless, does this mean that some of the Lizard beings are also STO?
A: Well, first, no being that is given intelligence to think on its own is, in fact, comepletely soul-less. It does have some soul imprint. Or what could be loosely referred to as soul imprint. This may be a collection of psychic energies that are available in the general vicinity. And this is stretching somewhat so that you can understand the basic ideas, even though in reality it is all far more complex than that. But, in any case, there is really no such thing as being completely soul-less, whether it be a natural intelligence or an artificially constructed intelligence. And, one of the very most interesting things about that from your perspective, is that your technology on 3rd density, which we might add, has been aided somewhat by interactions with those that you might refer to as "aliens," is now reaching a level whereby the artificially created intelligences can, in fact, begin to develop, or attract some soul imprint energy. If you follow what we are saying. For example: your computers, which are now on the verge of reaching the level whereby they can think by themselves, will begin to develop faint soul imprint.
Seems pretty clear to me. Some are OPs. Some are not. At least, that is the hypothesis. If you are even going to speculate that OPs exist based on what the C's say, it doesn't make sense to then ignore their comments about a generalised 50/50 split in the population (unless you have data that suggests otherwise).Ruth said:Apart from the fact that this distinction isn't very clear and we don't have a lot of data on it, or we wouldn't be talking about it?
Perhaps I was unclear. The hypothesis based on the C's comments, is that you either are an OP, or you are not. You don't get to choose to be one or not be one (at least at this level of reality). It's all well and good to say that we've got free will and have a choice in everything, but it doesn't seem that way to me. For instance, I didn't choose to be born male, and it seems I don't have much of a say in the matter if I were to wish differently (despite certain expensive "procedures" that may claim otherwise!). I guess you can say that there are certain intrinsic qualities we are born with (genetics, physical location, parental situation etc) and things develop mechanically from there, except in the case of Adamic-type man who has the inner potential to manifest certain other intrinsic qualities that OPs don't have, by dint of their being OPs. To make a physical analogy, does a dog have the choice to be able to grow a beak?Ruth said:So, you see somebody making a choice not to be something as a failure? Well, somebody might reasonably think that. I guess its all about free will. Or perhaps it is about making a value judgement. What it is 'good' to be, and what it is 'good' not to be, etc. And then chosing to be or not be something based on a value judgement. You're not going to think that making the opposite choice makes any sense.
I'm not sure. I think 4D STS graduation is likely connected to a sort of "dark esotericism" (what we might colloquially call "black magic"), but I don't know the specifics. The Ra material has more information on the "harvest".Ruth said:Do you have any speculation on how 4D STS would go about 'harvesting' Rumsfeld or Cheney? I would like to know what you think this would entail. What precisely are they 'harvesting' and how would they go about it?
When you reply to posts, you should see a hyperlink labelled "BBCode" (also "img tag" and "Smilies"). Clicking these will open up a pop up window with an explanation of how to do quotes and links etc.Ruth said:Ooh, and one more thing... as you can see I simply can't get the hang of what 'codes' to use for getting the quotations right. Is there a simple instruction on this and one that I don't need to be extra qualified to get?