Pentagon Attack References

[Kesdjan]

I read somewhere that the government didn't claim the famous picture of the "fuselage" at the Pentagon was part of a 757 fuselage. Does anyone have any reference for this? _http://www.rense.com/1.imagesD/hullpart.jpg
Also, does anyone have a reference for the claim that it was specifically a boeing 757-200 model (the one with the 10-hole wheels as opposed to the 8-hole wheels found at the pentagon) that hit the pentagon.
Thanks

 

[henry]

The first point was made by Theirry Meysson in his second book "Pentagate".

 

[Kesdjan]

Okay, I found out that "The famous photo of a bit that looks like it may have come from an American Airlines flight was said by the DoD itself as having come from another craft at the heliport and in the path of the something, according to Thierry Meyssan in his book The Pentagate.", but I can't find a link to the original DoD report. It could be from a report called "9/11 Pentagon" but you have to buy it (_http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11313). So if anybody happens to own Pentagate and could look up the reference he's using, I would really appreciate it.
I also found out that the plane said to have hit the pentagon was a Boeing 757-232- but I can't find a picture of a boeing 757-232 wheel. If they are the same as the 757-200 model, then it disproves the official theory. So does anybody know what the difference between the 200 and 232 models actually is? Thanks again.

 

[Joe]

Meyssan's argument is based on comments made by Pentagon staff architects and emergency workers at press conferences in the days following the attacks, that no large pieces of the fuselage were found at the Pentagon. Other than the two black boxes and the beacon, only small metallic fragments were found, they stated.

See here:

http://web.archive.org/web/20010913082814/http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Sep2001/t09122001_t0912asd.html

and here:

http://web.archive.org/web/20010916181239/http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Sep2001/t09152001_t915evey.html

It was six months after (march 12 2002) the attacks that Le monde published the famous photo taken by Mark Farah, a photographer for the CNA agency. At this point the story started to change and even the Arlington fire chief, Ed Plaugher, whose testimony that no large pieces of the fuselage were found is in the first link above denied his original statements and said that he saw "pieces of the fuselage, wings, the landing gear, pieces of the engines, seats. I swear to you, it was a plane." He then added that it was an "airliner".

Thing is, we don't doubt that it was a plane of some description, and it is interesting that Ed felt the need to add that it was an "airliner". The FBI then jumped in and claimed that they had many pieces of the plane in a warehouse marked with the serial numbers of Flight 77.

Joe

 

[Joe]

There are various models in the 757-200 series, 223, 222, 232, 230, 251, 2B7 etc. I'm not sure however if there is any significant difference between these models.

Anyway, my point is that Flight 77 was not a 232 but a 223.

All the 223's I have seen have 8 holes in the landing gear.

At least some of the 232's have 10 holes, see this pic of a 232:

http://www.planepictures.net/netshow.php?id=457843

So the issue of the wheel rim at the pentagon it is somewhat more complicated than it at first looks. In any case, my area of focus would be finding an image of a global hawk with 8-hole wheels.

Somewhat tangentially, I find it mildly interesting that if you search for pictures of a 757-223 (flight 77) on the major plane pictures websites, there are ONLY pictures of AA planes for that model.

For example, a search for images of a 757-223 on jetphotos.net, airliners.net and planepictures.net brings up several hundred images and ALL of them are AA planes. I suspect that these three websites are all run and owned by the same person/people because they are strangely similar to each other, but it amounts to a monopoly of web pics of planes on their part and they only offer images of AA versions of the Flight 77 plane. I smell a operation...

Joe

 

[Rich]

Somewhat tangentially, I find it mildly interesting is that if you search for pictures of a 757-223 (flight 77) on the major plane pictures websites, there are ONLY pictures of AA planes for that model.

For example, a search for images of a 757-223 on jetphotos.net, airliners.net and planepictures.net brings up several hundred images and ALL of them are AA planes. I suspect that these three websites are all run and owned by the same person/people because they are strangely similar to each other, but it amounts to a monopoly of web pics of planes on their part and they only offer images of AA versions of the Flight 77 plane. I smell a operation...

Joe

Quite right. took me 15 minutes to find one that wasn't AA (although she used to be - does it count?)- it's my new small task for the work! She's a beauty! :)

Former United States Postal Service Boeing 727-223, N312NE was delivered to American Airlines as N6841 on September 26, 1969. Express One Internatinoal leased it as N312NE on January 10, 1994. It was retired to Goodyear by September 3, 2001. Its construction number is 20193.

 

[christx11]

Quite right. took me 15 minutes to find one that wasn't AA (although she used to be - does it count?)- it's my new small task for the work! She's a beauty! :)

Former United States Postal Service Boeing 727-223, N312NE was delivered to American Airlines as N6841 on September 26, 1969. Express One Internatinoal leased it as N312NE on January 10, 1994. It was retired to Goodyear by September 3, 2001. Its construction number is 20193.

No doesn't count. You have a 727. The 757 was developed in the late 70's, early 80's. First delivery was December 1982.

 

[Rich]

Quite right. took me 15 minutes to find one that wasn't AA (although she used to be - does it count?)- it's my new small task for the work! She's a beauty! :)
http://www.air-and-space.com/20060412 Goodyear/DSC_5150 727-223 N312NE USPS right side m.jpg
Former United States Postal Service Boeing 727-223, N312NE was delivered to American Airlines as N6841 on September 26, 1969. Express One Internatinoal leased it as N312NE on January 10, 1994. It was retired to Goodyear by September 3, 2001. Its construction number is 20193.

No doesn't count. You have a 727. The 757 was developed in the late 70's, early 80's. First delivery was December 1982.

you're quite right, apologies. Back to the drawing board.

 

[Kesdjan]

Sorry about asking again, but as you found out, it really is hard to find out "official" information on the 911 attacks. The reason I'm asking is because I'm debating with this guy on Youtube whos question is "What fact or piece of evidence would convince you you're wrong". My answer was a picture or pictures of both pairs of titanium engine components. He refuses my claim that the engine was found on the outside of the C-ring exit hole, so I was wondering if there are any Pentagon news briefings about this or, if not, where was it found? Sorry about all these questions, I really am trying to do the research myself, but the official information is extremely hard to find. Thanks again.
Edit-Found this:"On the inside wall of the second ring of the Pentagon, a nearly circular hole, about 12-feet wide, allows light to pour into the building from an internal service alley. An aircraft engine punched the hole out on its last flight after being broken loose from its moorings on the plane."
_www.mdw.army.mil/news/Commentary-Remembering_the_honored_dead.html
Now to figure out where the actual engine disk was found...