People at work

[Lucius]

Hi there

from about 6 month i'm working in Polish big online portal. ( second in Poland 14 million users per month )
I'm sting near redactor, there are so not informed what is going on... last time they spoke about Global Working... and they was yoking that it is Colder not hotter and they discus what it is Colder because it should be HOTTER ... I just ask them what they know about global worming - Co2 and it will be hotter...

there are more that situation .. I'm worry about materials what they publicate online. - no Knowledge..

I have strength felling - hope with compassion to them.

my question is Whay they dont wake up ?
or when they ... ?

 

[manitoban]

Hi there

from about 6 month i'm working in Polish big online portal. ( second in Poland 14 million users per month )
I'm sting near redactor, there are so not informed what is going on... last time they spoke about Global Working... and they was yoking that it is Colder not hotter and they discus what it is Colder because it should be HOTTER ... I just ask them what they know about global worming - Co2 and it will be hotter...

there are more that situation .. I'm worry about materials what they publicate online. - no Knowledge..

I have strength felling - hope with compassion to them.

my question is Whay they dont wake up ?
or when they ... ?

Hi Lucas,

It is difficult to be surrounded by coworkers who are asleep and lack knowledge of the truth of what is going on in this world. Most of us are in that situation whether at work, home or pretty much any place except this forum. Climate change is just one of many areas that false information is widespread. The thing is, we can't determine the needs of others, and it is their choice and free will to believe those lies. Maybe for some, it is not on their path at this particular time to wake up.

What we can do is share knowledge here and there, whenever we get the chance, maybe planting a few seeds for those who are ready to hear.

 

[Lucius]

Hi there

from about 6 month i'm working in Polish big online portal. ( second in Poland 14 million users per month )
I'm sting near redactor, there are so not informed what is going on... last time they spoke about Global Working... and they was yoking that it is Colder not hotter and they discus what it is Colder because it should be HOTTER ... I just ask them what they know about global worming - Co2 and it will be hotter...

there are more that situation .. I'm worry about materials what they publicate online. - no Knowledge..

I have strength felling - hope with compassion to them.

my question is Whay they dont wake up ?
or when they ... ?

Hi Lucas,

It is difficult to be surrounded by coworkers who are asleep and lack knowledge of the truth of what is going on in this world. Most of us are in that situation whether at work, home or pretty much any place except this forum. Climate change is just one of many areas that false information is widespread. The thing is, we can't determine the needs of others, and it is their choice and free will to believe those lies. Maybe for some, it is not on their path at this particular time to wake up.

What we can do is share knowledge here and there, whenever we get the chance, maybe planting a few seeds for those who are ready to hear.

Just it is Strength sometimes Funny looking at them , what they "think" and what they "expekt" form self and others
They are as Big Children living in their World... ( no big problem ) they INSTANTLY DENY - problem if they DONT know it - no one look to problem in different angle... it is pathetic...

just one big fun - tv - work - shop - little problem and so one... nothing Serious ...
And they are intelligent people - big company , good job. they are making opinion in polish news....
Just sometimes i'm wonder What they will do When comet will show... when ice age come... when food go up.
And i'm worry about that THEY will DONT SEE WHAT IS HAPENING they will just complain to Government about that.
they DOnt SEE big Picture.

yes I dont want "wake up them" just sometimes I'm sending them good article , and if they want they will look for more information..

 

[Odysseus]

Hi Lucas,

Oh yes, those people at work... are very busy with work and daily mainstream matters... ;D

Same here, it is *very* frustrating when I'm trying to discuss certain sensitive, non-mainstream, "conspiratory" subjects with colleagues or family. I got used by now and I only "jump on the train" if certain themes are touched and I try to make provocative questions and tease their curiosity. I also 'probe' from time to time colleagues/new-acquaintances on different subjects jokingly on a sidenote to see their reaction. Usually, all these attempts are also **veeery** frustrating in results, but here and there there are some lights of hope and some seeds planted (or so I think).

By now, as a rule of thumb, I (almost) always discuss delicate topics if -more or less- I am asked for (or if the discussion comes up to such a topic).

 

[Odysseus]

Hi Lucas,

Oh yes, those people at work... are very busy with work and daily mainstream matters... ;D

Same here, it is *very* frustrating when I'm trying to discuss certain sensitive, non-mainstream, "conspiratory" subjects with colleagues or family. I got used by now and I only "jump on the train" if certain themes are touched and I try to make provocative questions and tease their curiosity. I also 'probe' from time to time colleagues/new-acquaintances on different subjects jokingly on a sidenote to see their reaction. Usually, all these attempts are also **veeery** frustrating in results, but here and there there are some lights of hope and some seeds planted (or so I think).

By now, as a rule of thumb, I (almost) always discuss delicate topics if -more or less- I am asked for (or if the discussion comes up to such a topic).

[Arggh, posted to early and I don't have mastered the edit-skill yet, for the force is not that strong with me yet]

About the probing/teasing part of new acquaintances. I make some (usually cynically flavored) statements along the lines like:
"... this reminds me of those eeevil terrorists flying planes into twin towers, which on their turn collapse perfectly symmetrically"

 

[ScioAgapeOmnis]

I found it safe to basically express discontent for the government without going into details of what they have done per se. So instead of hinting that 911 was an inside job, I basically say that the government are notoriously corrupt and would first do what their pocketbooks dictate before they really "protect" anyone or care about their own people. They care about power and money first and foremost, and everything else is an afterthought. Sometimes I even explicitly say that they are psychopaths, depending on the receptivity of the person.

Most people, even the mainstream believers, tend to agree with that sentiment. So I'm just offering social proof that it's "ok" to think the government are a bunch of self-serving liars, since this is already a popular notion, without stepping on any specific sacred cows like 911 or any specific methods of corruption. If the person is receptive enough I give them address of sott. I put a caveat that there are conspiracies on there, but that I found them to be very well defended with a lot of objective evidence, so it is less "theory" and more analysis of the evidence, which naturally leads sott into the reality of conspiracy. That way I kinda protect myself too - if the person ends up disagreeing with sott, they don't necessarily end up hating me.

I'm kinda doing with sott what the C's suggested to Laura to do with them - preface things with "this is what the C's said" rather than take responsibility for outlandish-sounding theories and invite people to attack you as the source of that theory, so I'm basically saying "here is what this news website says, and I think they do make a good case, even though I am not 100% one way or another myself, but I can't discount the evidence either.."

Tiptoeing around people's sacred cows is tricky business! Sometimes people are not asking for some truths because they are not ready, but are asking for others, like social confirmation of their own building discontent with the government. In some cases when I feel like there's almost nothing I can say because the person is just too convinced, the best I could do is "Sometimes I just wonder if I can trust everything the government says". I can almost feel the constriction of the person's belief systems in my gut, drastically limiting what I can say and how I can say it, it's frustrating! I wonder if it's similar to the constriction Laura feels when she's at the board with someone loaded with assumptions, which limits drastically what the C's can say and how they can say it. Either way, tiptoeing around free will can sometimes be so hard that it's not even worth saying anything at all, since there's barely anything you can say.

 

[Buddy]

I'm basically in agreement with SAO. If I say anything at all, I will likely make a general statement about what the official line is, like: "I know the government says..." and then end up with something like: "...but you know politicians have been caught in so many lies it's really hard to accept anything they say without knowing the facts yourself, you know what I mean?"

That's always got agreement so far. I guess it's kind of hard for anyone to argue with you when, from their own point of view, what you just said sounds so reasonable. :)

 

[Odysseus]

Yep, it is a balance act to find out how far one can get in such a discussion (once it started) or not. Based on that, I happened to give out only once the sott site as a recommendation for news reading and also for further subjects and topics there in the navigation to discover and do some research one self.

Very often I'm running into a dead end where my dialog partner sums just about anything up with "that's how society/civilization is", "corruption is everywhere and is 'normal'", "how can I change society?". Usually I try a little bit more with "at least get more aware yourself of a couple of things going terribly wrong, the whys and hows, on topics which bother *you* the most...". But more than often there is lack of motivation to do reading/research.

Lucas is right, the colleagues' awareness of things is usually depressing at work (at least here with mine as wel). But hey, I (and you) have been exactly there some time ago. So, just hang in there, spot opportunities, make your statement or comment here and there where appropriate, see the echoes/reactions, what goes and what does not, withdraw at the right moment and just leave it at that. It's your own decision to act (and how) from where you are standing, right?

 

[ScioAgapeOmnis]

In my experience, people who realize things are "bad" most commonly (by far!) say something like "I try not to think about it, because it's so depressing" and "there's nothing we can do about it anyway, so why even think about it". In fact I haven't even met a single person who saw the world as messed up and did not have one of the 2 attitudes above. I always say well you can't stop the evil guys in power but you can inform others that they're bad, so at least they don't buy into the nonsense and continue to be victims of the system. Maybe if enough people are aware, things would change then. But if we don't at least inform others and discuss it, we're keeping the fact that everything is really bad a secret, we're helping the government continue to take advantage of everyone who is ignorant by not helping spread awareness. In other words, we're doing exactly what they want - staying silent. Might as well be working for the government then, eh? I haven't seen my paycheck! In fact, they keep taking more and more from the paycheck I do receive, and transfer it to buy bullets and guns for Iraq.

 

[Mrs. Peel]

Lucas is right, the colleagues' awareness of things is usually depressing at work (at least here with mine as wel). But hey, I (and you) have been exactly there some time ago. So, just hang in there, spot opportunities, make your statement or comment here and there where appropriate, see the echoes/reactions, what goes and what does not, withdraw at the right moment and just leave it at that. It's your own decision to act (and how) from where you are standing, right?

Some of my immediate coworkers know I'm into the diet and health, and I try and get in a few concepts when I can. We all sit together at a table for lunch and I bring my "nukables" in a glass container, explained to them about chemicals leeching from plastic when nuked. Lo and behold, two of them have started using glass. One guy joked to me that I had him convinced he would die so he made his wife throw out all the plastic containers.

I've got one guy taking probiotics and some basic supplements, and another one is somewhat interested in the FIR sauna. Everyone's job is very stressful, and there are two guys who have contracted allopecia and their hair is falling out in places, one of them is only 28. His doctors have been shooting his head up with steroids. I talked to him a bit about inflammation and auto-immune diseases and e-mailed him an article about diet.

I've also given out about 5-6 EE flyers when coworkers complain they are stressed to the max. I've let two of them borrow my EE DVD set, don't know if they've actually watched it or not. I had a long talk about diet and toxins with my supervisor yesterday concerning her friend in another department whose hair is falling out in patches and the conventional docs can't find anything wrong with her. I told her that she might want to see a naturopathic practitioner and/or research some diet information.

Sometimes I think maybe I've set some people on the right path, and then comes times like today when one of the guys who had been really interested in the detox stuff opens his lunch and takes out pudding with aspertame (yeah, he knows its bad). A female coworker who sometimes eats with us gets all riled up when the talk comes to nutrition and detox. Her son is studying to be a doctor and I think she takes everything as a "slam" to conventional medicine, thereby insulting her son. Sheesh. She whipped out her out her sugar-free yougrt (also with aspertame) and ate it defiantly, claiming "all things in moderation."

Oh well. :/

I don't force things on people, I just mention things here and there if somebody asks me what I'm eating, or taking, or doing, and why. If they want to follow up, it's their choice. I do keep EE flyers handy, and will mention I know this great technique for stress relief if somebody is going on about how stressed out they are.

One butterfly wing at a time...

 

[ScioAgapeOmnis]

"all things in moderation."

Cyanide in moderation won't kill you, but it'll still make you miserable, it'll really be a slow death. The moderation really IS the problem - it'd be obvious that something is bad for you if you dropped dead when you ate it. But it's when people consume "moderate" amount of poison is when those pesky "experts" and authority figures can hide behind plausible deniability, and when the real damage is done because they don't necessarily die, they just live with pain and misery - physically, emotionally, and even psychologically. You know it's really like lying - the lies that everybody can tell are lies are not the problem, it's that sneaky disinfo where a lie is hidden between truths that really gets ya. People don't start paying attention until a politician says he's a monkey with wings, or gets caught with his hand in the cookie jar. Similarly when it comes to health, people don't start to pay attention until they're either really fat or in a hospital. The art of effectively lying is subtle - the lies can be huge but they are hidden in truths. The art of poisoning is also subtle, the poison is extremely damaging but it's introduced together with healthy stuff so nobody can tell which is which, and it sneaks up on you over time just like accumulation of lies (mental poisoning) does.

 

[Hildegarda]

The moderation really IS the problem - it'd be obvious that something is bad for you if you dropped dead when you ate it. But it's when people consume "moderate" amount of poison is when those pesky "experts" and authority figures can hide behind plausible deniability, and when the real damage is done because they don't necessarily die, they just live with pain and misery - physically, emotionally, and even psychologically.

I agree 100%. "Eating in moderation" is an insidious and complacent concept which I hate ever since I took a few classes in nutrition and dietetics in college. Our instructor used it a lot, which sort of makes sense, if you are dealing with both obesity and anorexia and want to send some sort of a universal reasonably sounding message. But what exactly is moderation -- quantitatively? How many McDonald's meals is "in moderation" -- once a day? once a month? once a year? She could never answer that to me.

As far as I am concerned, frankenfoods, artificial ingredients and many natural but poorly tolerated food products (on individual basis) are indeed poisons, as SAO had said, for which no safety limits have been established, and therefore any consumption of them is harmful. Instead of "moderation", we should be talking about "level of exposure", and they are a lot lower to be dangerous than many people realize.

OSIT

 

[doublea1535]

I too find it frustrating and hard to discuss diet and nutrition topics with my co-workers. Pretty much everything is a sacred cow, everything that is done is identified with and offense is taken when a possible flaw is found within things like fast food, corn syrup, artificial sweeteners, etc. It is funny the see the different ways people rationalize things to themselves, like "All things in moderation." It's like when made to think about things, and potentially see them negatively, people grasp at straws to explain any concerns away. I guess they come up with whatever they heard someone else say once in defense of their habits.

I haven't had much of an impact on my co-workers. I was a vegan for awhile which people took note of, but, thankfully, I didn't influence anyone's habits. The most I can say I have done is decline to eat out for lunch at places like McDonalds or Taco Bell. I suggest something not quite as bad, like Chipotle or Qdoba. For instance, I was out at lunch with my company today and ordered something other than pizza, which is what everyone else ordered. Someone joked if I was on a diet, and I said I try to avoid eating bread. No one took interest, so there is nothing further to say.

The "best" thing I ever heard one of my co-workers say is that he had not considered the nutritional impact of foods. He focused solely on the calories and the basics like protein and carbs. I had to hide my astonishment that someone who is so smart by standard measure would think something so silly. I wanted to ask him what he had thought vitamins were for exactly, but instead I just nodded politely.

So there is rampant ignorance regarding even basic nutrition. Pretty much everyone here in the US has been eating the SAD for such a long time that their tolerance level for junk is very high, so eating at McD's doesn't make them feel as sick as it would if they were to abstain for several weeks. When I first started detoxing, which is also when I switched for awhile to veganism, the smell of the local fast-food joints would make me nauseous.

 

[Alana]

I had a long talk about diet and toxins with my supervisor yesterday concerning her friend in another department whose hair is falling out in patches and the conventional docs can't find anything wrong with her. I told her that she might want to see a naturopathic practitioner and/or research some diet information.

Just a note that falling hair out in patches, or alopecia (medical term) is more often than not associated with stress, at least in the cases i am aware of, few female friends of mine.

Ok, I found this one:

Alopecia Stress - How Do You Manage It?
By Amy Cantwell

Alopecia is generally considered a lack of hair or loss of hair from areas on the body which normally contain hair. Most commonly alopecia affects the scalp area, leaving people either partially or fully bald. Alopecia can occur at any age and in general it affects about 1% of the population.

Alopecia can come in many different forms. Here are just some of the forms of alopecia which can occur:

Alopecia Areata - hair loss occurs in patches all over the body

Alopecia Totalis - total scalp baldness

Alopecia Universalis - total body baldness

Alopecia Barbae - Loss of facial hair (for a man) especially in the beard area

There are several other forms of alopecia which I won't go into here.

If all the body's systems are working well, adult people lose on average from 30 to 200 hairs per day. However this number can increase dramatically due to many different factors. Stress is not the only reason for alopecia, but it is, however, the main one. Stress, emotional or physical can cause alopecia. Anything from losing a loved one to overtraining at a sport can cause stress related alopecia. Basically stress related alopecia is one of your body's ways of surviving the stress factor. The production of hair shuts down during periods of stress as your body is busy coping with the stress.

It really is a cycle when it comes to stress and alopecia. The stress brings on the alopecia and then you start stressing about the alopecia which can make the problem worse. The more stressed you get the more hair you lose and so on.

So it seems that both physical and emotional can cause hair to fall when/where they shouldn't. Said woman could benefit both from the detoxification regime and EE.

Going back on topic, i agree that we are in a position where we have the information to plant seeds, but not forcing or anticipating that our friend, coworker, family member will "water the seeds". I think that our life and how we live it or how we look, feel and are being perceived by those around us, is the best example that the diet we follow here and practicing the EE, can produce amazing results. Perhaps if people heal their bodies, minds and emotional wounds by following the diet and EE, they will become more receptive to hearing more uncomfortable truths about our reality, as well, and learn to think for themselves. OSIT.

 

[Bobo08]

I agree 100%. "Eating in moderation" is an insidious and complacent concept which I hate ever since I took a few classes in nutrition and dietetics in college. Our instructor used it a lot, which sort of makes sense, if you are dealing with both obesity and anorexia and want to send some sort of a universal reasonably sounding message. But what exactly is moderation -- quantitatively? How many McDonald's meals is "in moderation" -- once a day? once a month? once a year? She could never answer that to me.

As far as I am concerned, frankenfoods, artificial ingredients and many natural but poorly tolerated food products (on individual basis) are indeed poisons, as SAO had said, for which no safety limits have been established, and therefore any consumption of them is harmful. Instead of "moderation", we should be talking about "level of exposure", and they are a lot lower to be dangerous than many people realize.

The other side of that "moderation" concept applies to vitamins. When the propaganda machine cannot denigrate the obvious benefits of vitamins, they reduce the recommended intake to what is barely enough for people not to get obviously sick. Take vitamin C, for example. I used to go nuts when my wife, while agreeing that it is beneficial, would only take 200 mg a day because "everything is in moderation" It took more than a year and a few of my recoveries from flu using mass vitamin C therapy to change that.