Peter Michael and John Livingston "Master Exorcist"?

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This thread is split off from the following thread/post:
http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,33064.msg457682.html#msg457682 and begins as a response to this post
http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,33064.msg457625.html#msg457625 which was in response to still another post: http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,33064.msg457555.html#msg457555


Some of the answers in the FAQ did contradict some of Laura's information on SRT FWIW.

1. Laura does mention in part 4 that some entities can return, even if properly removed.

2. Soul Retrieval simply sounds like closing the gaps in one's awareness that allow attachments to enmesh with your psyche. It says soul retrieval is part of his audio program, but I wonder how useful an MP3 would be compared to a proper, live differential diagnosis: where you can specifically identify the situations, decisions, and triggers that caused the opening that attracted the spirit to begin with. Personally I would rather have the specific knowledge over a simple prayer or guided meditation, since knowledge protests. ;)

3. Laura has repeated many times that you must get a large number of case studies, psychoanalytic techniques, and rhetorial skills under your belt before you can start coaxing particular attachments into leaving, ESPECIALLY the intelligent and malevolent entities. I'm not sure that's exactly something "any human on earth can do." That's probably the biggest red flag I see. On the other hand, he could have some handy-dandy zapping device (patent pending), like what Carl Wickland used in 30 Years Among the Dead to maybe excite the attachments into opening dialogue (I'm about a quarter through it), but without attending or seeing a session of Peters I don't know what to expect to see. No harm in emailing and asking though.

Who is Laura, and what makes "Laura" the ultimate authority on spirit related issues?
I would suggest working with multiple high level healers and gathering information from multiple sources before you decide to accept one persons' belief or perspective on spirit related issues.


1. To correct you, if an entity is actually removed from a person, it is immediately removed from this dimension. To imply it can come back is to say the "beings" in charge of removing them are not doing their jobs correctly.

2. You obviously have no understanding of how the soul functions in regards to trauma, it would be best to google the words soul retrieval and soul loss rather then making an assumption based on your own understanding. Soul retrieval is an ancient form of energy work, which has nothing to do with "closing the gaps in one's awareness".

3. Again, who is "laura" and what makes her the authority on these matters? Does she do exorcism and clearing work everyday for people all over the world? Is she trained in shamanic healing and the principals of traditional shamanism? Who has she trained with? Who are the people who trained her? Where and how is she getting all this marvelous information, from her own mind? IS she channeling it? Who is to say that her channel is not that of a light source. You are basically taking one person's view on something and accepting it like it is the ultimate truth.
To hear responses like this frightens me, as is is incorrect and being taught to others as "truth" , when it is more then likely a personal belief being taught to others..
The universe has not made it so removing entities is difficult. The universe has not made it so only "special" people can remove entities. The universe has made so that every human on this planet has the power to clear an entity from themselves. You are taking advice from 1 person, do your research and speak with multiple people who do this work professionally and get multiple perspectives on it, and then make your comment, rather then blindedly accepting one person information.


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lightwalker said:
Who is Laura, and what makes "Laura" the ultimate authority on spirit related issues?
I would suggest working with multiple high level healers and gathering information from multiple sources before you decide to accept one persons' belief or perspective on spirit related issues.


Laura is the founder of this website/forum.

I do not claim to be the "ultimate authority", however, based on what I have seen on the net and in the New Age movement, I've not seen anyone else who has researched the topic to the same level I have, including 25 years of working as a hypnotherapist/past-life therapist/exorcist.

lightwalker said:
1. To correct you, if an entity is actually removed from a person, it is immediately removed from this dimension. To imply it can come back is to say the "beings" in charge of removing them are not doing their jobs correctly.

Before you begin correcting anyone, you best reveal your identity and the basis of your claims. So far, you are just "huffing and puffing."
 

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Gertrudes said:
Thanks Hesper :)

Addressing angels has always made me feel a little uneasy and the therapist I saw also used those terms. Having said that, perhaps knowledge of the existence of both the dark and light side of DCM and their possible manifestations, both from practitioner and client, will allow for the creative side of DCM to be called upon instead of something more nefarious?

Hey Gertrudes, I think this podcast may be helpful in giving some more understanding on that: Channeling and Exorcism. There is a discussion in that podcast about the formula that includes addressing angels. Basically, as far as I understood, it's just part of a technique that seems to work in some cases. Of course, it should be done with knowledge of the technique and of the specific situation. So, it doesn't necessarily mean that in reality, actual angels are called upon. Just a technique that seems to work in some or most cases. In the end, as Laura said in the podcast, what may be the most important thing could be the will of the therapist. And perhaps also the knowledge and expertise of the therapist. Fwiw.

I wouldn't worry too much about it. The "healing angels" and "angels of transition" can simply be aspects of the self or the wider Information Field.

Also, the beliefs of the subject are paramount. Calling on Jesus and angels doesn't work on people of different religions.
 

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lightwalker said:
The universe has not made it so removing entities is difficult. The universe has not made it so only "special" people can remove entities. The universe has made so that every human on this planet has the power to clear an entity from themselves.

I've done sessions with people who make claims such as the above. One particular case that comes to mind was a New Age "healer" who was being abducted and raped by reptilian beings (so she claimed) on a regular basis... and her children also. She even produced rape-related stigmata. Going deeper with this particular subject revealed that she was a victim of gov. mind programming, the idea being to send people like her out into the New Age movement to mislead others AND trigger the programs in those who had also been victims of such as MKULTRA and Greenbaum programming.
 

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Oddly enough, "lightwalker's" email addy led me to this FB page:
https://www.facebook.com/jessica.drake.5496

Which had a truly bizarre profile image posted below.


and then, with that name, google led me here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jessica_Drake

Jessica Drake (born October 14, 1974[1] in San Antonio, Texas[2]) is an American pornographic actress.

Obviously, there can be more people with the name "Jessica Drake", but perhaps the universe is making a statement?
 

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lightwalker

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Laura said:
lightwalker said:
The universe has not made it so removing entities is difficult. The universe has not made it so only "special" people can remove entities. The universe has made so that every human on this planet has the power to clear an entity from themselves.

I've done sessions with people who make claims such as the above. One particular case that comes to mind was a New Age "healer" who was being abducted and raped by reptilian beings (so she claimed) on a regular basis... and her children also. She even produced rape-related stigmata. Going deeper with this particular subject revealed that she was a victim of gov. mind programming, the idea being to send people like her out into the New Age movement to mislead others AND trigger the programs in those who had also been victims of such as MKULTRA and Greenbaum programming.

This is all a projection of your own fear based beliefs you project onto others.....
You also do not come off as someone who is a compassionate healer and teacher, but more of someone who gets upset when anyone questions her....
I mean you actually went out of your way to go and find out my facebook.....and then post it.....what is that all about?
You obviously have something to hide if you are willing to go out of your way and track down someone who comes into your little world here and defies or questions anything you say.......
Also, my post was not "hufffing and puffing" as you call it, but more of an explanation of my perspective..............
But Who am I?
I do not know anything.....
But you do........

I really do not want to tread anywhere I am not wanted, I stumbled here on accident....
I do not feel comfortable here either if someone cannot speak freely without being tracked down........having their facebook page posted....
I mean that is really odd and it says something about you.
You response is to point out a picture I have ?????
And then judge me by my picture.......you are twisted lady...
Maybe you can point out something else about me....
Maybe it will make you feel better to point out things you see wrong with me.........to cover up anything about you I may shed some light on.
This was not a competition, I was merely expressing my humble opinion .......
This seems to be a somewhat one pointed view community, your view, and anyone who questions you is not wanted.....
A much better way to manipulate people into buying into your beliefs is to start a local community instead of an online one, this way you can have more control over the people around you.
Good luck to you Laura.....
 

Vic

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lightwalker said:
Laura said:
lightwalker said:
The universe has not made it so removing entities is difficult. The universe has not made it so only "special" people can remove entities. The universe has made so that every human on this planet has the power to clear an entity from themselves.

I've done sessions with people who make claims such as the above. One particular case that comes to mind was a New Age "healer" who was being abducted and raped by reptilian beings (so she claimed) on a regular basis... and her children also. She even produced rape-related stigmata. Going deeper with this particular subject revealed that she was a victim of gov. mind programming, the idea being to send people like her out into the New Age movement to mislead others AND trigger the programs in those who had also been victims of such as MKULTRA and Greenbaum programming.

This is all a projection of your own fear based beliefs you project onto others.....
You also do not come off as someone who is a compassionate healer and teacher, but more of someone who gets upset when anyone questions her....
I mean you actually went out of your way to go and find out my facebook.....and then post it.....what is that all about?
You obviously have something to hide if you are willing to go out of your way and track down someone who comes into your little world here and defies or questions anything you say.......
Also, my post was not "hufffing and puffing" as you call it, but more of an explanation of my perspective..............
But Who am I?
I do not know anything.....
But you do........

I really do not want to tread anywhere I am not wanted, I stumbled here on accident....
I do not feel comfortable here either if someone cannot speak freely without being tracked down........having their facebook page posted....
I mean that is really odd and it says something about you.
You response is to point out a picture I have ?????
And then judge me by my picture.......you are twisted lady...
Maybe you can point out something else about me....
Maybe it will make you feel better to point out things you see wrong with me.........to cover up anything about you I may shed some light on.
This was not a competition, I was merely expressing my humble opinion .......
This seems to be a somewhat one pointed view community, your view, and anyone who questions you is not wanted.....
A much better way to manipulate people into buying into your beliefs is to start a local community instead of an online one, this way you can have more control over the people around you.
Good luck to you Laura.....

But if you look at your previous post it is far from humble, more aggressive and full of judgement on Laura. The likes of you pop up wherever good things are happening because you either cannot stand it in your own darkness, or you are controlled by forces you have no awareness of. Now in your last post it is you that is huffing and puffing.

The 'projection' is all yours 'light walker' - you need a mirror.

Why try to identify you using social networks? Because we are thorough, and when a negative entity happens by like you we do the research. That's where you fall down. Do some real research starting with yourself, then find out what really drives you.

And guess what. If you genuinely needed help it will all be here waiting for you.

P.S. You also show marked ignorance. There are many 'local communities' belonging to Laura's wider community. Why not stop assuming things, speaking from a script, and showing your weaknesses.
 

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The Strawman said:
lightwalker said:
Laura said:
lightwalker said:
The universe has not made it so removing entities is difficult. The universe has not made it so only "special" people can remove entities. The universe has made so that every human on this planet has the power to clear an entity from themselves.

I've done sessions with people who make claims such as the above. One particular case that comes to mind was a New Age "healer" who was being abducted and raped by reptilian beings (so she claimed) on a regular basis... and her children also. She even produced rape-related stigmata. Going deeper with this particular subject revealed that she was a victim of gov. mind programming, the idea being to send people like her out into the New Age movement to mislead others AND trigger the programs in those who had also been victims of such as MKULTRA and Greenbaum programming.

This is all a projection of your own fear based beliefs you project onto others.....
You also do not come off as someone who is a compassionate healer and teacher, but more of someone who gets upset when anyone questions her....
I mean you actually went out of your way to go and find out my facebook.....and then post it.....what is that all about?
You obviously have something to hide if you are willing to go out of your way and track down someone who comes into your little world here and defies or questions anything you say.......
Also, my post was not "hufffing and puffing" as you call it, but more of an explanation of my perspective..............
But Who am I?
I do not know anything.....
But you do........

I really do not want to tread anywhere I am not wanted, I stumbled here on accident....
I do not feel comfortable here either if someone cannot speak freely without being tracked down........having their facebook page posted....
I mean that is really odd and it says something about you.
You response is to point out a picture I have ?????
And then judge me by my picture.......you are twisted lady...
Maybe you can point out something else about me....
Maybe it will make you feel better to point out things you see wrong with me.........to cover up anything about you I may shed some light on.
This was not a competition, I was merely expressing my humble opinion .......
This seems to be a somewhat one pointed view community, your view, and anyone who questions you is not wanted.....
A much better way to manipulate people into buying into your beliefs is to start a local community instead of an online one, this way you can have more control over the people around you.
Good luck to you Laura.....

But if you look at your previous post it is far from humble, more aggressive and full of judgement on Laura. The likes of you pop up wherever good things are happening because you either cannot stand it in your own darkness, or you are controlled by forces you have no awareness of. Now in your last post it is you that is huffing and puffing.

The 'projection' is all yours 'light walker' - you need a mirror.

Why try to identify you using social networks? Because we are thorough, and when a negative entity happens by like you we do the research. That's where you fall down. Do some real research starting with yourself, then find out what really drives you.

And guess what. If you genuinely needed help it will all be here waiting for you.

P.S. You also show marked ignorance. There are many 'local communities' belonging to Laura's wider community. Why not stop assuming things, speaking from a script, and showing your weaknesses.
Oh no, another attack, I better get out of here quick.
The cult is getting angry........
 

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A cult would try to keep you in its clutches. But in fact you are free to go. Bye :)
 
Hi lightwalker,

No one is attacking you, that is your own projecting.

Do you understand what this Forum is about? Have you read the guidelines?
http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=9553.msg69187#msg69187

Have you considered that you may have 'Sacred Cows' that you are not willing to look at?

People can question Laura or anybody else here if they can bring data to back up their claims. Look through the Diet & Health section to see how the Forums Knowledge has evolved with new data over time, including Laura's. (This is but one area for example, the whole site is a continuing quest to refine our understanding of the objective reality that will live in.)

Have you actually read any of Laura's Work? A good place to start is her Wave Series.
http://cassiopaea.org/category/volumes/the-wave/

If you had, you might understand her background and her expertise.

You cry "cult" with no basis in fact. I would call that a baseless attack.


On your Facebook page under Favorites you have, Anastasia Toom Spiritual Counselor and Energy Healer listed. Is this your 'one' source.

_http://spiritualhealthcounselor.com/learn-more/faq-on-exorcism-and-demons/
4) Can a demon come back?
No. The demons which I remove, are transformed into the pure energy of the Universe. And the universe creates something else with that energy.

However, the dark forces can make and send more your way to harass you until you give in again, so it can attach to you. This one will use a more slick trick to make you accept him into your life. Since you outsmarted the dark forces before, the new demon has to come up with a stronger strategy to attach. You have to come up with a stronger way to block.

She say's "No" but then goes on about darkforces "sending more your way". How can you or her be 100% sure its not the same entity, perhaps by a different name.

Anastasia also seems to be caught up in the 'Love and Light', 'A Course in Miracles', and the Christian hierarchy of Angels as her guides. Have you researched these topics?

Why do you value her 'expertise'?
 

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lightwalker said:
Oh no, another attack, I better get out of here quick.
The cult is getting angry........

I find it quite interesting how lightwalker says that she stumbled onto this forum, but then uses the same old ridiculous accusations of this forum being a "cult" and says that local communities being started.

I'd say that this is a troll out to attack Laura.

If you read her posts, lightwalker is not here to give her "humble opinions", she is here to attack Laura. It's blatantly obvious. She goes on to say that she does not stay where she is not wanted and bids her ado, yet, there she is again, going on the attack.

I mean you actually went out of your way to go and find out my facebook.....and then post it.....what is that all about?

It's about research. That's what we do here. Especially when someone comes on here to attack someone else. And no matter how you spin it, you were attacking Laura on her own forum.
 

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lightwalker said:
This is all a projection of your own fear based beliefs you project onto others.....
You also do not come off as someone who is a compassionate healer and teacher, but more of someone who gets upset when anyone questions her....
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lightwalker appears to be describing herself here

lightwalker said:
Oh no, another attack, I better get out of here quick.
The cult is getting angry........

...and so the projection continues in the slur of 'cult'.
I doubt she is even able to consider the possibility that she is projecting (or that what Laura described applies to her), her emotions are running the show.

Laura said:
lightwalker said:
The universe has not made it so removing entities is difficult. The universe has not made it so only "special" people can remove entities. The universe has made so that every human on this planet has the power to clear an entity from themselves.

I've done sessions with people who make claims such as the above. One particular case that comes to mind was a New Age "healer" who was being abducted and raped by reptilian beings (so she claimed) on a regular basis... and her children also. She even produced rape-related stigmata. Going deeper with this particular subject revealed that she was a victim of gov. mind programming, the idea being to send people like her out into the New Age movement to mislead others AND trigger the programs in those who had also been victims of such as MKULTRA and Greenbaum programming.

The seriousness of the topic discussed in this thread can never be over emphasized, so when Laura says she has experience of what lightwalker brought up and what the truth of the matter was it should also be taken with the same level of seriousness.
Knowledge protects.
 

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Cults teach and believe things that have no foundation in facts.

We don't do that here. It's all about research, and the topics we research, to find out if there are any FACTS or collections of data, includes spirit release and exorcism. And even then, we only assign probabilities; we don't do "belief".

You, lightwalker, on the other hand, obviously believe that nonsense propagated by some new-age Bloopy with absolutely NO facts or data to back it up except that she "says so."

I guess the porn-star warning from the Universe was dead-on.
 

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Laura said:
Oddly enough, "lightwalker's" email addy led me to this FB page:
https://www.facebook.com/jessica.drake.5496

Which had a truly bizarre profile image posted below.


and then, with that name, google led me here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jessica_Drake

Jessica Drake (born October 14, 1974[1] in San Antonio, Texas[2]) is an American pornographic actress.

Obviously, there can be more people with the name "Jessica Drake", but perhaps the universe is making a statement?

Also notable: Joined Facebook
October 26, 2011

My guess is just another paid troll.
 

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Lightwalker's posts so far have been pretty transparent. The first thing that strikes me is that her approach is based on a priori conceptions. Laura's, in contrast, is empirical. For example, lightwalker states that "if an entity is actually removed from a person, it is immediately removed from this dimension". And how, pray tell, could someone possibly KNOW this? It's simple: they can't. All we have are data, which can be interpreted in various ways according to certain philosophical principles. That's essentially what Laura (as well as countless other experts in the field) admits. So rather than having a preconceived notion of "the way things are" and working based on that preconception, she simply looks at what the data of experience says. That's all anyone can really do in this kind of field. And as she pointed out, quite reasonable, she has encountered situations where the "preconceived notions" have proven inadequate. Yet when this is pointed out, LW calls it projection of "fear-based beliefs". Hardly. And how is pointing out an exception that disproves the rule "getting upset when anyone questions her"? That's a typical response of a person engaging in cognitive slippage (information substitution and selection) when DATA contradicts their a priori BELIEFS. That's all Laura was presenting: data gained from experience.

And, again, Laura requested, quite reasonably IMO, for some information from LW. Laura is a 'public figure' in a sense. You can find online who she is - her facebook - who she studied hypnotherapy with, you can read her works, watch her videos, and get a pretty comprehensive idea of what she has done and how she interprets the data she has accumulated. Yet when she asks for similar 'credentials' from LW, LW doesn't respond. She points out the things she thinks are 'wrong' about Laura, and yet gets insulted when she is 'judged' by a facebook picture. On top of that, there's the disingenuous claim that she 'doesn't know anything', which totally contradicts her air of knowing the true nature of spirit release.
 
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