Physical and psycho body cleaning

[jaela]

Hi everybody, who is interested in reading my story. So I´m a person who likes to work on herself, I don´t mind if it causes physical or psychological pain. It´s quite hard to describe what is my biggest problem, I have a few. First of all I don´t believe in myself, feel a lot of fear from different things (mainly from not succeeding in my life), I feel different from others and so on. Of course if you look at me you see a normal balanced woman, but this is what I feel inside. So as I relized I need to work on this strange things which are blocking me in my growing in this 3d life, I started to search for help. I read many books, first I started to study yoga, than I find the chinese medicine, where each of the organs are representing feelings as well, so I discovered that my kidneys are quite weak, because of the fear what I feel. So I did a complex detox program of a russian healer called Malachov. It starts with cleaning your colon and continous with liver, kidney, head and lung and cell cleaning. It´s all done whith herbs or natural products. It helped me a lot to get rid off gallstones ( I cleaned out from my bile and liver around half a liter of green gallstones and a other half o liter of white pill smelling paste). If you want to know his metod just write me I explain it to you, it´s not easy and without pain but it really works for the physical body cleaning.

So after a year or something after cleaning my liver 9 times, I relized that it was still something wrong, that it didn´t change my psycho state. I still felt a lack of self confidence and the fear. Probably like me Malachov felt the same and he in one of his next books came out with a cleaning of the field of consciousness. The tecnique which he uses is a circulating breathing(my translation), and its concentrating on the breath in and not so much on the breath out. You have to think positive and love your body and soul while you are breathing. In one minute you should breath around 60 times. I know that Lauras EE breathing is the direct opposite of this breathing, but I cleaned out lots of fear and negative energy( he calls them psychocysts)which had been blocked in my field of consciousness body.

The metod consist of laying down and relaxing a little bit. I always use a nice relaxing music as well, I love the Smoothriviera radio from I tunes, but classical music is also fine. Than I start to breath after 20 minutes I just feel my body and I let my consiousness to lead me where it feels something is wrong. Than I start to concentrate there and breath there. I´m focusing on that point of my body or feeling untill it goes. It´s leaving sometimes with tears, or shivering, or just realizing how wrong I´m judging myself so badly. I wrote down all my experiences during the last 1,5 year, and I can tell you I changed a lot. The biggest results came when I was breathing 3-4 hours, sometimes I conected my soul, It was a beautiful feeling. I also realized from where the big part of the fear program in me is coming , I forgave my father and grand mother, because they are like they are, and I tried to forget their fear programs, but its still a bit of it left in me. My soul told me to appreciate more myself. Well it´s such a nice moment when it happens, but change my brain and emotional program is so hard.

Now I discovered Lauras EE program and I´m practising it, l hope one day I can be myself without all the voices in my head.
Please if you meditate or breath as well write me about your experiences, and if you have the key to get rid off the fear that will be the best, more eyes see more things.Thanks to evrybody to read my self exploration, bye jaela. /I´m not a native english so sorry if they are some grammatical mistakes/

 

[1984]

Hi jaela,

Glad to hear the EE breathing program is working well for you. It is customary here for new members to post a bit about themselves in the Newbies section.

 

[Hildegarda]

Probably like me Malachov felt the same and he in one of his next books came out with a cleaning of the field of consciousness. The tecnique which he uses is a circulating breathing(my translation), and its concentrating on the breath in and not so much on the breath out. You have to think positive and love your body and soul while you are breathing. In one minute you should breath around 60 times. I know that Lauras EE breathing is the direct opposite of this breathing, but I cleaned out lots of fear and negative energy( he calls them psychocysts)which had been blocked in my field of consciousness body.

Hi jaela,

The breathing Malakhov recommends is very similar to the Beatha (BA-HA) portion of the EE program, so your progression to EE is a natural choice. Thank you for telling your story, and look forward to seeing you in the Newbies section.

 

[Nienna]

Hi jaela,

You can read all of the feedback given by people with the EE program here and here.

I, too, look forward to seeing you in the newbies thread. :)

 

[jaela]

Probably like me Malachov felt the same and he in one of his next books came out with a cleaning of the field of consciousness. The tecnique which he uses is a circulating breathing(my translation), and its concentrating on the breath in and not so much on the breath out. You have to think positive and love your body and soul while you are breathing. In one minute you should breath around 60 times. I know that Lauras EE breathing is the direct opposite of this breathing, but I cleaned out lots of fear and negative energy( he calls them psychocysts)which had been blocked in my field of consciousness body.

Hi jaela,

The breathing Malakhov recommends is very similar to the Beatha (BA-HA) portion of the EE program, so your progression to EE is a natural choice. Thank you for telling your story, and look forward to seeing you in the Newbies section.

Hi Hildegarda ! You are right, the Ba-Ha breathing is really similar to Malachovs cyclical breathing, but the in and out its done through the nose. I still feel comfortable with my old breathing but I´m practising in the mornings on the beach the EE breathing as well, and its really useful. I don´t feel any changes until now, but I feel fine doing it. Bye Jaela

 

[Gonzo]

Hi jaela,

Have you ever considered talking to someone specialized in psychology, like a counselor, psychologist or even a psychiatrist?

You mentioned hearing voices. Are they your internal self talk or are they more of a different nature?

Not everything can be cleared up so quickly with breathing alone. It might be more apropos for you to learn about your own psychology and the wounds you received in your life, especially in your childhood, and discover methods to release them.

Although this may eventually be done through breathing, I believe a combined approach would be more practical, especially if that work is not done in isolation. There are aspects of yourself that undoubtedly will do everything in their power to keep you from discovering their nature.

The psychology books in the recommended reading list (http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=4718.0) are an excellent place to start learning more about your own psychology.
I look forward to reading your introduction in the Newbies section.

Regards,
Gonzo

 

[jaela]

Hi, thanks for your advices, and you can read my introduction in a Newbies section , its already long time ther, best regards Judit

Hi jaela,

Have you ever considered talking to someone specialized in psychology, like a counselor, psychologist or even a psychiatrist?

You mentioned hearing voices. Are they your internal self talk or are they more of a different nature?

Not everything can be cleared up so quickly with breathing alone. It might be more apropos for you to learn about your own psychology and the wounds you received in your life, especially in your childhood, and discover methods to release them.

Although this may eventually be done through breathing, I believe a combined approach would be more practical, especially if that work is not done in isolation. There are aspects of yourself that undoubtedly will do everything in their power to keep you from discovering their nature.

The psychology books in the recommended reading list (http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=4718.0) are an excellent place to start learning more about your own psychology.
I look forward to reading your introduction in the Newbies section.

Regards,
Gonzo

 

[svjetlonosa]

Hi jaela,

Have you ever considered talking to someone specialized in psychology, like a counselor, psychologist or even a psychiatrist?

Dear Gonzo
I usually enjoy reading your posts, but the quoted sentence seems to me senseless. I suppose that jaela needed to share her experiences with similar minded people. Instead of that you sent her to a shrink. Some sensitive people can hear things during sleep and even more sensitive person while awake. The issue about messages is who sends them and with what purpose. But of course, that's only my opinion.

 

[Laura]

Yes, I think it would have been helpful to have more details on the "voices in the head" before suggesting counseling. It could simply mean the many ideas/perspectives/confusion that we all are heir to before we begin to learn to master our machine.

 

[Gonzo]

Hi svjetlonosa,
Thank you for your thoughts.

Dear Gonzo
I usually enjoy reading your posts, but the quoted sentence seems to me senseless. I suppose that jaela needed to share her experiences with similar minded people. Instead of that you sent her to a shrink. Some sensitive people can hear things during sleep and even more sensitive person while awake. The issue about messages is who sends them and with what purpose. But of course, that's only my opinion.

Have you ever considered talking to someone specialized in psychology, like a counselor, psychologist or even a psychiatrist?

I am sorry if jaela or any one else, felt I was being insensitive. I had felt and intended to be thoughtful and cautious.

In the paragraph you quoted, I was probing to see if professional help was something being considered. I did not think that asking if someone had considered professional help (including councellor, psychologist or even a psychiatrist) would be considered "sending" someone to a shrink. I am actually surprised by your response.

I felt the only sending I did was in the direction of the recommended reading list, suggesting that learning more about psychology might provide additional benefit than focussing solely on breathing.
But I can imagine that, depending on the way that it is said, one could give the impression that, "have you ever considered..." is suggestive. So I apologize if I wasn't clear enough or created the wrong impression.

The paragraph after the one you quoted including me probing to better understand the nature of the voices. I thought it would be beneficial to know more about the voices before making a suggestion (or a decision to step back and let someone more knowledgeable post).

You mentioned hearing voices. Are they your internal self talk or are they more of a different nature?

I hope this helps better explain my post, but if I have missed you point or you still feel I was insensitive, I would appreciate having it pointed out.

Thanks,
Gonzo

 

[curious_richard]

Dear Gonzo
I suppose that jaela needed to share her experiences with similar minded people. Instead of that you sent her to a shrink.

Have you ever considered talking to someone specialized in psychology, like a counselor, psychologist or even a psychiatrist?

In the paragraph you quoted, I was probing to see if professional help was something being considered. I did not think that asking if someone had considered professional help (including councellor, psychologist or even a psychiatrist) would be considered "sending" someone to a shrink. I am actually surprised by your response.

Yes, this brings up a thing that I think is important.

A request for information IS NOT a suggestion to do something! A question IS NOT (IS NOT!!) anything more than a question.

So many times, I ask a simple yes / no question to someone in the family and I get all kinds of garbage. But NOT an answer of yes or no. I try very hard to make the question easy to answer. Is it yes or no? But some people think that I am making some kind of suggestion or demand that they do something. NO! NO! NO! I just want a simple answer. Is the answer yes or no? I only want that small bit of information.

I sympathize with you, Gonzo. Sometimes people will read your question and refuse to answer the question directly. Sometimes they will IMAGINE that your question is actually a demand (or suggestion) that they change their life in some way. Sometimes people are too stupid to understand that a question is just a question.

 

[Laura]

I sympathize with you, Gonzo. Sometimes people will read your question and refuse to answer the question directly. Sometimes they will IMAGINE that your question is actually a demand (or suggestion) that they change their life in some way. Sometimes people are too stupid to understand that a question is just a question.

Also, people who are accustomed to manipulating - that is, people who ask questions with a hidden agenda - tend to project this trait onto others and can't understand how asking a simple question CAN be just asking a simple question.

 

[Gonzo]

The question is a useful tool to the innocently curious and the manipulative alike.

I have seen many people use a question as a subtle way of getting a message across. Especially in meetings at work, where a subordinate thinks the manager might be making a mistake and tries to plant a seed, thereby trying to manipulate the manager.

It was a pet peave of my father, when I was young, and, as a result, was removed from my tool box, or so I thought. I'm not so sure now.

Methinks the most subtle of tools are the hardest to detect. I am honoured to have received such valuable insight here.

Gonzo

 

[Gonzo]

Hi curious_richard,

I understand where you might be coming from. I certainly have asked questions of others, even on this forum, who either did not see the question or chose to ignore it. I have also experienced people second guessing my intentions behind my questions.

It is very difficult to step outside of ourselves and try to see things from the perspective of others.

I know many people, myself included, have been significantly wounded my manipulators and indirect speech, that is to say, speech that has one intention but is designed to appear to have another, is a tool often used.

When some people hear certain questions, I don't doubt for a second that it triggers a defense mechanism due to the wounds such lines of questioning had previously created.

I also know that I don't fully know my own machine and, although I strive to become more aware, I require trusted individuals around me to help me see.

I understand what you are saying and I hope we all can come to deeper understandings of ourselves and each other so that some day we no longer cause or receive wounds, especially to and from those we trust.

Gonzo

 

[jaela]

Hi everybody !
The voices in my head I can explain like when you are talking to yourself. For example when you want to make some decisions and you are asking yourself which is the right one, and the answer is coming from my innerself. They are also conetcted with my low self confidence and fear program. Its hard to describe, something like your intuition is saying one thing and the mind is saying the opposite. I hope I described it better, greetings jaela