Hello Friends,
I have two question:
1. What is the Fourth way saying about the Out of Body Experiences? A read a lot of success stories regarding to it. Those people all have got a soul? How can be so many self created soul? Or what is projecting out of the body?
Osha said Gurdjieff lying:
http://www.osho.com/read/osho/osho-on-topics/george-gurdjieff
"Gurdjieff said, “You are nothing but the body, and when the body dies you will die. Only once in a while does a person survive – one who has created soul in his life survives death – not all. A Buddha survives; a Jesus survives, but not you! You will simply die, not even a trace will be left.”
What was Gurdjieff trying to do? He was shocking you to the very roots; he was trying to take away all your consolations and foolish theories which go on helping you to postpone work upon yourself. Now, to tell people, “You don’t have any souls, you are just vegetables, just a cabbage or maybe a cauliflower” – a cauliflower is a cabbage with a college education – “but nothing more than that.” He was really a master par excellence. He was taking the very earth away from underneath your feet. He was giving you such a shock that you had to think over the whole situation: are you going to remain a cabbage? He was creating a situation around you in which you would have to seek and search for the soul, because who wants to die?
And the idea that the soul is immortal has helped people to console themselves that they are not going to die, that death is just an appearance, just a long sleep, a restful sleep, and you will be born again. Gurdjieff says, “All nonsense. This is all nonsense! Dead, you are dead forever – unless you have created the soul….”
Now see the difference: you have been told you are already a soul, and Gurdjieff changes it totally. He says, “You are not already a soul, but only an opportunity. You can use it, you can miss it.”
And I would like to tell you that Gurdjieff was just using a device. It is not true. Everybody is born with a soul. But what to do with people who have been using truths as consolations? A great master sometimes has to lie – and only a great master has the right to lie – just to pull you out of your sleep.
Osho, The Dhammapada: The Way of the Buddha, Vol. 2, Talk #2"
There is another solution. The OBE is an imagination and not truth. What do you think about it?
I tried OBE many times but never happend to me...
2. If a man sleeps what happend to him? I read about that the links between centers are disconnected for a sleeping time. In what center are we then? Instinctive? If I use self remembering why do not get myself full conscious during sleep? And what will be a different when i will die? What will bring me conscious?
I have two question:
1. What is the Fourth way saying about the Out of Body Experiences? A read a lot of success stories regarding to it. Those people all have got a soul? How can be so many self created soul? Or what is projecting out of the body?
Osha said Gurdjieff lying:
http://www.osho.com/read/osho/osho-on-topics/george-gurdjieff
"Gurdjieff said, “You are nothing but the body, and when the body dies you will die. Only once in a while does a person survive – one who has created soul in his life survives death – not all. A Buddha survives; a Jesus survives, but not you! You will simply die, not even a trace will be left.”
What was Gurdjieff trying to do? He was shocking you to the very roots; he was trying to take away all your consolations and foolish theories which go on helping you to postpone work upon yourself. Now, to tell people, “You don’t have any souls, you are just vegetables, just a cabbage or maybe a cauliflower” – a cauliflower is a cabbage with a college education – “but nothing more than that.” He was really a master par excellence. He was taking the very earth away from underneath your feet. He was giving you such a shock that you had to think over the whole situation: are you going to remain a cabbage? He was creating a situation around you in which you would have to seek and search for the soul, because who wants to die?
And the idea that the soul is immortal has helped people to console themselves that they are not going to die, that death is just an appearance, just a long sleep, a restful sleep, and you will be born again. Gurdjieff says, “All nonsense. This is all nonsense! Dead, you are dead forever – unless you have created the soul….”
Now see the difference: you have been told you are already a soul, and Gurdjieff changes it totally. He says, “You are not already a soul, but only an opportunity. You can use it, you can miss it.”
And I would like to tell you that Gurdjieff was just using a device. It is not true. Everybody is born with a soul. But what to do with people who have been using truths as consolations? A great master sometimes has to lie – and only a great master has the right to lie – just to pull you out of your sleep.
Osho, The Dhammapada: The Way of the Buddha, Vol. 2, Talk #2"
There is another solution. The OBE is an imagination and not truth. What do you think about it?
I tried OBE many times but never happend to me...
2. If a man sleeps what happend to him? I read about that the links between centers are disconnected for a sleeping time. In what center are we then? Instinctive? If I use self remembering why do not get myself full conscious during sleep? And what will be a different when i will die? What will bring me conscious?
